The Psychology of the Menendez Bros (Chapter 3: The Murders)
Added 2025-05-30 11:00:12 +0000 UTCDr Kirk and Humberto explore the Menendez Bros case.
00:00 Writing about murder
05:17 The day before the murders
11:03 The murders
25:08 The 911 call
32:03 The police investigation & confessing
59:36 Grunge & the arrests
1:10:49 Does the process of premeditation say anything?
1:14:48 How common is parricide?
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May 30, 2025
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So much misinformation The guns were not bought using credit card they were bought using cash Lyle had always been fascinated by restaurant buiseness and started that by help and permission of his uncle and aunt Lyle never suggested to kill dr. Oziel or threatened him Lyle never told erik to shoot first After the murders brothers were not sent home both brothers were questioned by the police for hours separately There was no kneecapping all four knee caps were intact And shotgun blow to back of the head of jose was not the first but last wound inflicted because as examined by the forensic expert all the wounds were premortem non were post mortem and erik did not do it lyle did
DS
2025-11-23 14:45:59 +0000 UTCOk, now I get to wonder which one of you drives a Porsche, because of that dizz!
MeriGo_round
2025-06-06 16:24:46 +0000 UTCJust catching up on all these episodes and SO excited that you’re covering this case finally!! :) That said, one small detail is that the parents were NOT shot in the kneecaps to make it look like a mafia hit. That is just some urban legend that keeps getting floated around (usually by pro-prosecution people) when in reality the father had a wound to his thigh, not the knee, and the mom was shot mostly in the upper body and face.
Kira S.
2025-06-06 01:46:04 +0000 UTCCan’t wait for the next episode!!
Olesia Rogaleva
2025-06-02 09:25:11 +0000 UTCToo bad the red leather jacket will always be tainted by child sexual assault…
Keir
2025-06-01 20:15:20 +0000 UTCI'd like an easy way to look up which videos are Patreon only so I can finally watch them.
Laura
2025-06-01 13:39:18 +0000 UTCHer therapist said she only cared about her husband's attention, and hated her kids, never cared about how her actions affected them.
Chels
2025-06-01 10:22:39 +0000 UTCThe mom had a seperate therapist that testified about her mental health too. But I know Dr. Oziel has an entire wrap sheet of behaviors unbecoming and unethical to a therapist.
Chels
2025-06-01 10:18:46 +0000 UTCLyle said Eric was screaming from seeing the bodies again, because he was already breaking down mentally before going in, and he yelled at Eric to leave the room (on 911) tape to get him to stop freaking out. He said although he was lying, Eric reaction was real, so Berto is right about that.
Chels
2025-06-01 10:17:07 +0000 UTCYes one knee was hit from behind but it wasn't a direct aim
Chels
2025-06-01 10:14:29 +0000 UTCWho else waiting with bated breath for Kirk to hear the testimony from Erik
Sarah
2025-06-01 09:51:31 +0000 UTCBerto. @14:07 the FBI psychologist (Dr. Burgees) testified about planned vs unplanned crime scene and she mentioned she could analyze it was done out of false anticipation/fear, and overall unplanned...kind of matches what Dr. Kirk mentions ! Love the episode ! Great job Berto. 👏🏼 Edit: I love the what would you do from a therapist standpoint questions Berto is asking, very interesting!
Chels
2025-06-01 09:47:36 +0000 UTCAn uncle confirmed that Jose told him he wanted the boys out of the will bc they were "dissapointing" and he advised Jose against it. Check out that testimony on Court TV, it was kitty's brother so Jose brother in law. It's likely Jose threatened the boys to change their behavior but behind their backs, never actually did it. However the Uncle who was in charge of the will, confirmed he even talked about setting up a time to change it in a serious tone.
Chels
2025-06-01 09:43:58 +0000 UTCYou mean that they cut off their allowance?
Humberto Castaneda
2025-05-31 21:37:46 +0000 UTCSince you are time marking everything why don’t you mark the patreon part? I have already watch in YouTube the first part and had a hard time searching the continuation
Denisse Hernandez
2025-05-31 17:07:17 +0000 UTCKitty was depressed supposedly because Jose frequently had lovers.
Kristy Stevens
2025-05-31 02:55:44 +0000 UTCMaybe they weren’t used to a very thorough follow up on their misdeeds… the parents did cover for them in a lot of cases. They might not have realized how protected they were from consequences until after the parents were dead.
Stefan and Erin S
2025-05-31 00:54:55 +0000 UTCHumberto is doing a great job with this case! I am super passionate about this story so I’m very invested!
Jillian Nicole
2025-05-30 19:02:26 +0000 UTCCould you guys do coverage of the Sherri Panini case? That one has a few twists and turns!
TIFFANY WEAVER
2025-05-30 18:41:04 +0000 UTCI love the coverage of this! I look forward to checking and seeing if a new video came out! With the whole Mafia thing why would the boys not be afraid to go back to the house if they thought someone else came in and murdered their family. The logic isn't there for a very good cover up.
TIFFANY WEAVER
2025-05-30 18:38:40 +0000 UTCYou're burying the lead. Get to the actual reason for the murders please. That's the point of this case.
Musa Kamara
2025-05-30 18:23:08 +0000 UTCi think we made 7
Humberto Castaneda
2025-05-30 16:56:44 +0000 UTCSame haha. Next installment 🤞
Stefan and Erin S
2025-05-30 14:26:05 +0000 UTCThank you for this interesting series Dr. Honda. Out of curiosity, how many chapters are you doing / expect to do for this series? I like to binge them all at once.
Jessica Edwards
2025-05-30 13:24:06 +0000 UTCI'm surprised how you haven't said anything about how it was unethical for Oziel to treat both of the brothers individually, especially after being the mom's individual therapist as well.
Laura
2025-05-30 13:06:07 +0000 UTCI like the fact that you recount the event mostly as the informations got out at the time, but I just want to see the "Aaaa" moment from Kirk
Louise Dolbeau
2025-05-30 12:25:09 +0000 UTCI always wondered if it could’ve been argued that he just smelled smoke and due to the confusion of the moment felt like he saw it? Ofc we know they did kill the parents but I could see where a comment on that might be excused by investigators as confusion from the trauma of finding the parents. I’ve also wondered if part of the reason they seem so upset on the 911 call is because they probably dissociated to some extent during the actual killings, and expected to come back to a house where the bodies had been found and potentially already removed. Instead they had to lead police there and revisit their crime which might have been traumatic on its own even though they committed it, like Dr Honda said last time.
Stefan and Erin S
2025-05-30 12:05:47 +0000 UTCJust to note, the bit about Jose being shot in the kneecaps is contested and I think even proven false. This 'myth' came from the second trial where some unqualified mechanical engineer was brought in with some sort of new crime scene reconstruction technology which completely contradicted the coroner's testimony from the first trial.
Janna
2025-05-30 12:01:04 +0000 UTC
