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November 25, 2024

The Psychology In Seattle Podcast ®

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Narcissism and Yammering

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Kirk, I was doodling in procreate while listening to your podcast a few weeks ago and I scribbled down something you had said because the way you said it was so silly, but it was a serious event where you could have been gravely hurt! Any time I scroll past and read “when I pogo’d off my head” it makes me chuckle. It also reminds me to appreciate people I love and make sure they know that. I appreciate you and echo Eva’s words about how comforting and important your podcast is to my daily life. You are making such a ripple of compassion in the world! 🌎 ❤️ ps. What about “When I pogo’d off my head” merch? 😂

Caitlin Ouellette

Yes. Agreed. Tiktok is just like any other Internet entity: good, bad, ugly.

Psychology In Seattle

Good to know!

Psychology In Seattle

I've enjoyed your podcast for years, but your comments about how traditional residential universities deal with student mental health is outdated. I have been a professor for over 10 years and I have children now in college. Many top private R1 universities, like the one I work at, have mental health services and crisis response teams composed of social workers, psychiatrists, therapists, and other service providers. In my career, I have reported two suicidal students to our crisis response team, which have assigned personnel long-term to their cases. In addition, students can be put on a mandatory leave of absence following a mental health episode reported by roommates or others. As a professor, we are told that we have a duty to refer students for services for their own protection, although in problematic cases I have encouraged students to seek confidential services on their own. However, mental health services provided by the university have been expanded the entire time I've been here in response to demands from our student body. Moreover, students and parents often evaluate those services when considering admissions offers from this and other universities. Times have changed - might be a good topic for a future episode!

R Reed

Kirk, be more forgiving of TikTok, please! I wish I could show you my feed! There is a lot of valuable information on there with educators using long format videos. Curate your feed!!

Ash

It’s called algospeak and a simple google search would have explained it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonytellez/2023/01/31/mascara-unalive-corn-what-common-social-media-algospeak-words-actually-mean/

Trissa Schiffner

Very interested in the plans for the audio pod. I think the introversion one will be really interesting because there is so much talk about it online that there are bound to be some misunderstandings. I'm excited to hear about the C-PTSD one, too because I wonder if it's the new trendy diagnosis if that makes sense. I'd never heard of it before, but then started hearing a lot in the last couple years. Then my Dr sent me to a psychologist who diagnosed me with it. She helped me find a long term therapist who won't give me a diagnosis, but says he wouldn't call it C-PTSD. He won't give me a specific name besides "relational trauma". Would be interested to understand more.

wheelofhands

I love you, Kirk, but you are so off base about why people censor words around suicide, that it felt cringy just listening to you. They don’t say unalive because they are afraid to talk about suicide. They use euphemisms and alternative words because those words ALWAYS violate the terms and conditions of TikTok. You can’t use words such as murder (unaliving), death (end of life), suicide (self unalive), sexual adult (SA), child sexual abuse (CSA), etc or the algorithm will take down your video (obviously the words I’ve it in parentheses are the common euphemistic alternatives). Even if you don’t put up captions, somehow the algorithm still knows. That’s why this is a TikTok specific thing. People posting about these issues are actually doing the exact opposite of what you’re saying. They are trying to find work arounds that won’t get their videos taken down or their accounts taken away. Another example is when watermelon started to represent the conflict in Gaza. TT was slow rolling any video that used the word Gaza or Israel or Hamas, etc., so the watermelon mention and symbol indicate what people are really talking about. Please do a little research before you make such strong statements about content creators on TT. Many of them are strong advocates for people experiencing suicidal ideation. They just have to be careful about their words. Remember, it’s a Singaporen/Chinese owned app and their strict language rules are different from other social media sites that are based in the US. In fact, one time I even wrote “unalive” on a subreddit and someone commented that I didn’t have to do that on Reddit and I chuckled. Nobody wants to use those euphemisms, but it’s the only way around the algorithm.

Trissa Schiffner

Paused the episode to write that, before you talked about the peak in suicide, which indeed can be a reason, and hadn't thought about that, but it is indeed such a scapegoat! It is maybe a peak but then again does the total number change? I guess you can never truly know how many their would have been anyway. I guess you could say that if you can just wait till tomorrow, some suicides can be avoided, so every trigger should be avoided. So maybe a trigger warning is more appropriate at the same time also making people aware of possible triggers and taking care of oneself. I don't think sensoring helps in any way in the long run. It has to be clear that there is a problem to be able to solve it. And also, I think we should not be afraid of people making an informed decision, people have to live in the first place for themselves, not for others or because society does not like that some people don't like to live in the world we live in. You don't know what people go through so I think you should also respect their decisions, I think you can do that if you as a person are confident you did everything you could to avoid the decision. Otherwise indeed, you may feel bad about it, but that is on you, not them, and not talking about it keeps this problem hidden without an opportunity to be resolved.

Elke

Oh my god, the covering of difficult subjects is indeed so real! I noticed it subconsciously, I see now, but you saying it made me realise that it is such a thing! At least in the news in Belgium, where I live, famous people who die from suicide, the recent way of reporting is that "they passed away unexpectedly" and apparently you have to read into it that it is about suicide. Now, maybe it has other reasons why it is not bluntly said, maybe to shift the focus to their life instead of the way they died, but why everybody has to read into the words "died unexpectedly", as of everybody knows what happened, people are curious to know what happened, that is why you read the news! It also stigmatises suicide. Talk about it openly, it is what it is! Also, more positive is that there now is always a standard line and reference to anti suicide aid. But then again also recently, I saw the same thing below an article about a man who killed his wife and killed himself afterwards. I think putting it there was less appropriate... Anyway I think people don't think case by case, I think that is the problem... and probably there is also a clash of a lot of incentives together but I think you are absolutely right that it is so annoying they try to beautify the word suicide which is not beautiful at all and nobody should be ashamed to talk about it in any words!

Elke


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