CH943
Added 2025-09-25 16:11:25 +0000 UTC“Ben,” Pixth nodded when he arrived, four more gods at his side, with all of them looking like they were trying to hide the same state Ben had found both Myriad and Helori in when he’d first shown up that night. “You’ve been busy.”
“I always am. Gonna be honest, when I was told I was going to have to talk to others, I was expecting a bigger crowd.”
“For the sake of keeping things smooth, this conversation between us is being projected to the rest of them. They can have whatever fights and squabbles they want to without interrupting.”
“So, this is just a conversation, huh?”
“I’d prefer it to be, yes.”
“Alright,” he agreed with an exaggerated shrug. “Then let's hear it.”
“Thank you. Then let’s start with the big ones, shall we? The third level of your evil god of sacrilege, as well as holding the third tier skills, evil and destruction authority, you’re now the holder of four third tier skills total.”
“That’s correct.”
“How is that possible?”
“Not to be the sort of jerk who answers a question with a question, but let me genuinely ask you first, have you all really not figured out how I’ve managed it yet?”
“It’s clearly related to one of the crystals in Anailia having been swapped out, but beyond that, no.”
“Alright then, I’m somewhat relieved you’ve at least found that much, but yes, it’s related. I’ve been using the souls of the forbidden gods to train my sacrilege, it just so happens that the sort of way I’m using them happens to be an excellent vehicle for experience when it comes to the sort of things someone might label as evil or destructive.”
“You’re torturing them,” Phixth said, narrowing his eyes as he did while Ben gave his answer in naked indifference.
“I am.”
“No sense of guilt for such a thing, I take it?”
“No. My turn questioning now, in this little conversation we have going on. What percentage of the gods have ever condemned a soul to hell?”
“I couldn’t tell you.”
“More than fifty percent though, right?”
“...”
“Yeah, not shocking. Now, of those more than fifty percent, how many of them feel a sense of guilt for it? If I should be feeling guilty, then surely they should too. No matter what harm any mortal could have conceivably done on this world or any other, none of it can be on the scale of giving the demons system access yet they were all condemned to a realm of eternal torture, rather than just a few weeks of use to help me train.”
“Many would argue that’s not the same.”
“Why not? Because there’s a small degree of separation there, letting the gods who do such things believe they’ve kept their hands clean? As if sending anyone to a torture realm is meaningfully different just because they aren’t actively doing any of the torturing themselves? Or is it different because I’m actively getting something out of it, beyond the perverse knowledge that someone below me is suffering forever? Or maybe I read you wrong and you meant that far more positively. That no matter what, the bit of suffering I’m inflicting isn’t eternal, and thus shows again that I really am more moral than so many of the great and mighty gods of this universe.”
“Ben-”
“Mmh, not that last one I see then. So does it come down to it being worse because you perceive a god’s soul to have more value than a mortal’s? I could argue this point all day if you’d like.”
“Ben,” Phixth stopped him again. “You’ve made your point, but that doesn’t make what you’re doing acceptable either.”
“And, coming from you, I even believe that but let’s be real here, Phixth, when I got my god to make the reveal of my two new awakenings to the rest of you, deciding to let you all be informed rather than hiding it away in an attempt to show some good will, how many among you once more suggested trying to throw my soul into hell? Damning me to an eternity of torment? No, I will not lie, I even believe you’re right that what I’m doing is morally objectionable, but I do not believe the gods to be in a high enough moral standing to judge me for it.”
“So you’re going to keep doing it then?”
“Yes.”
“Why?”
“It’s the best way I’ve found to level my sacrilege, and it looks like my authorities are going to be handier than I’d expected too. It would be useful to raise them.”
“No, I mean, why do you feel the need? You have those skills at their third tier, why would you continue to try and grow their power?”
“You being serious here?”
“I am.”
“Then where do I begin?” Ben asked him. “Awakening my authorities was a quick way to grow my attributes some more, not to put too fine of a point on it, but how many days of work modifying souls am I going to have starting tomorrow? How many people are going to have their attributes grow by hundreds or thousands of points, and what exactly do you all expect the impact to be on the next wave? Sure, I knew from the start that getting these skills was going to make you all uncomfortable, but I also knew it would be worth it. No matter how some up here might turn their nose up at the work I do, this is going to be the most inarguably useful by far. More than anything else, this is going to change the tide of the war, which makes it somehow more disgusting that you all would hold out so much in paying me in attributes.”
“And yet, that is unrelated to your desire to level your sacrilege and your overall thirst for power.”
“... Yeah, you’re right, it is. In that case, before we get to that, can we at least consider my point about my authorities to be made?”
Phixth turned to the four other gods with him, seeing a range of reactions on their faces before nodding. “We can.”
“Good, in that case, we can talk about my sacrilege and why I want power in general. Despite what many of you think, I genuinely am somewhat grateful to the gods of this world for giving me a second chance at life, but only somewhat. Let’s not play or delude ourselves here, while you all did save me and my classmates, it was out of no sense of goodwill to give some children dying under a horrific circumstance a second chance, it was explicitly to get this world a few more powerful soldiers. I’m not going to hold that against you either. You all did what you needed to do, even if it could be considered morally questionable, but given the circumstances, I can at least somewhat accept it. What I am going to hold against you is your carelessness.”
He could see a glare from one of the gods, giving a moment to let the other speak if they wanted to but, getting that and not using it, allowed Ben to go on. “The old head of craftsman’s tower and the old head of Allfaith, the first with his plan to use the spirits of the world to end the war and the second killing anyone who slighted him, both holding high positions in this world yet both going unnoticed until it was too late because when it comes down to it, beyond your work trying to prepare for the demons or look after your own believers, I don’t believe any of you care. Hell, just look at Ather. One of the world’s three demigods and he was a self-righteous, entitled asshole who just wanted to throw his weight around to get what he wanted and as far as I could see, he was just allowed to grow up to be like that with little intervention from the gods. Sure, he was Eneth’s bastard, but others should have intervened too.”
“And is this an explanation or an accusation?” One god finally cut in, getting a look from Phixth for it, even if Ben answered.
“Both. You want to know why I feel the need to raise my sacrilege? There’s a few reasons, but one undeniable one is the fact that I don’t feel like I can trust any of you.”
“So what then, it’s a threat?”
“No, saying or implying you lot will throw me into hell if I don’t do what you want is a threat, something I’ve experienced before on top of all of the other nonsense you’ve put me through. What this is is a deterrent and a defense, and can any of you blame me? I shouldn’t have to live in fear of the gods getting mad about needing to pay me and threatening my existence over it. It’s a topic we’ve talked to death by this point, and the ending has never once been satisfying because constantly it still comes up. Well, this is me, putting an end to it. I want power so I won’t have to suffer for any of your negligence in watching over the world and whenever one of you up here breaks down and decides to kill me, I’m not going to be so weak as to have to sit back and allow it.”
“That’s not going to happen,” Phixth told him.
“No? Then no god ever should have told me they would to begin with. You expect a mortal to hear that sort of thing and take it lightly from a being with both power and authority over them? No, I have no intention of starting fights with you about using my power and while I fully expect to have disagreements about payment still from time to time, we’ll handle them as we have been to this point, but this here is the logical endpoint of my treatment. I’ve always said that I consider you all to be people and whether it’s agreed or not, well, you can’t threaten a person while holding a position of power over them and not expect them to want to defend themselves so there it is. I may not have meant to awaken my sacrilege the way I did but I won’t deny I’ve wanted to and now that I not only have but see that I can grow it, I’m going to for the peace of mind it can give me if nothing else.”
“And when you become a god then? Just what will you do with all of the power you hold?”
“If I can have it my way? Keep to myself and avoid interacting with the other gods of this world as much as possible, though I’ll perhaps step in if I ever find out another up here decided to threaten a mortal over something so minor. In general though, you can trust me on this. I’m sick of most of you and would deeply like to keep our eternity together as separate as possible. So there it is, my honest answer with warts and all, as true as I can be. So what’s the verdict? Is my existence a blight on this universe that needs to be dealt with, or can we stop this little farce and let me do the same thing I always do and keep working to try and help save this stupid doomed world?”
“We’re not here to threaten you right now, Ben.”
“No? What about any of the gods not here?”
“Irrelevant.”
“Kind of feels relevant to me.”
“It doesn’t matter. For good or ill, we are a society, and you are going to be a powerful variable who will one day join us. How much we even could do to you if the gods of the world were to act collectively is already in question and as you've personally seen, this isn’t a matter that we can act in a collective manner so we’re doing the one thing we can. Trying to understand you.”
“I’m exactly what you see on the tin, have been since we’d first started having these meetings.”
“I suppose so, then is that all you have to say?”
“Well, if we’re finishing up, then I suppose I’d like to end on this. For anyone watching, there’s clearly some bigger things going on, so stop worrying about me and the things I do when I’ve constantly shown I’m willing to work to help this world in my own way. If this is still going to be a problem then leave it for once the third wave is done, anything else is a waste of your time and mine.”
Comments
Random thought while re reading earlier chapters: I had an idea for Ben awakening connect. We know that even other Mind Gods and Myriads crazy mind are no longer a struggle. So easy that he can handle multiple Gods at once. We also know he can handle multiple Great Spirits. Finding singular beings, or small groups of beings, with unusually strong minds is no longer enough to challenge Ben. But what about a tweak to his on-the-spot idea about connecting to every spirit at once. The spirits have actual minds and memories, so connecting to the entire race could actually challenge his *mind*, but would it really challenge *connect*? That idea seems like itd have the same problem as connecting to Myriad, really. My random idea is for him to instead try to connect to an uncountably vast number of insects and plant life crammed into a small area. Like, literally tens of millions of ants gathered and brought to the wilderness, and whatever plant he can find and have grown that is super duper small to fit the most inside his range. Just an absolutely obscene number of *SIMPLE* beings. We don't want to stress or even minorly strain his *mind*, we want to stress and strain his *soul* and connect. We want beings with the simplest minds possible that he can still connect to. And not too many kinds. If it was some of every bug in the world, we would be back to straining his mind and alien thought structure and such. As few different species as possible. His soul stretches outside his body to connect to every being he connects with - but what kind of strain does each split place on him? He has connected to huge crowds in cities so we know it can split to thousands easily enough, but hundreds of thousands? Millions? Tens of millions? Can his soul really stretch and split for that many beings at once, or would Ben reach a point where his soul simply doesn't have anything left to stretch and split further? His blank souls may count, but I think not since his jacket has so many in it and it hasn't seemingly helped or strained him. But that may just be because there isn't a high enough number still. Isn't it "only" a few million souls in there? We need more. Much more. And not to be taking mana from them, but just connecting to all these beings.
Emily Gurnavage
2025-09-26 19:43:44 +0000 UTCYa the fact he doesn't mention that they are going to need to something like his skill to be able to be in a as planet as the enemy leader let alone kill them is weird like I know learning about how they have a even more powerful enemy is depressing but like it's not like that fucker is going to let them do what they want the demons have already changed their plans acting like they have any understanding on what will happen next is crazy
Isiah Debarros
2025-09-26 03:20:57 +0000 UTCBut what benefit would announcing his true intentions to the world’s gods have for him here when self defense works just fine as justification? If you ask me, the fewer people that know of his true intentions, the better. The world is currently filled with demons and the forbidden gods already proved that not every god can just be trusted like that. I wouldn’t put it past Eneth or one of the nastier gods to try and tell the demons. It’s a small chance but one that isn’t worth taking. Plus, he really doesn’t owe them an explanation and it wouldn’t necessarily accomplish much outside of making Ben feel better. I could be wrong, but if I were in Ben’s position, I’d find the knowledge of my skills and intentions more valuable than whatever validation I’d get by revealing them.
Display name
2025-09-26 01:20:47 +0000 UTCI am surprised he didn't mention just how crucial his Sacrelige will be in his attempt to kill the Demon God because he doesn't believe that the waves will end otherwise.
Dustin Friend
2025-09-26 00:20:51 +0000 UTCStill unknown
Luboš Hemala
2025-09-25 19:22:39 +0000 UTCI can agree with that but I think the trope is that each time the Gods try and have the "talk" with Ben he's more and more powerful with the final "talk" being a big ol' fuck you
ToadSage
2025-09-25 18:54:44 +0000 UTCI feel like everytime he has one of these discussions with the gods he always talks about wanting sacrilege to protect himself from them but never mentions the fact that it could be the greatest tool against the demon god. He is the only one who has seen/experienced the power of the demon god and survived so it’s a clear motivator for him to get stronger. I guess he does consider beating the demon god to be impossible but it’s still a valid point that shifts the focus from “I hate the gods in general” to “the demons have the strongest god that nobody has a chance against so someone has to do something about it”
Redbeard
2025-09-25 18:35:51 +0000 UTCDid myriad actually bring up the mythical light staff going to the light spirit? He was supposed to do that right? I want to see thst happen, its being completely misused right now while theyre at war
Sammot
2025-09-25 18:10:46 +0000 UTCOn the note of the craftsman’s tower group what ever happened to the god that climbed out of hell?
bob hiff
2025-09-25 17:40:53 +0000 UTCThey would have such an easier time if they gave the full blessing and as much stats as they can before he modifies everyone's souls. I want to see him push all of his soul related skills into the third tier while he does this.
Michael Hughes
2025-09-25 17:20:16 +0000 UTCI'm getting tired of this trope, it feel like this meeting with the critisism of the gods didn't hit with the impact you had in your head, so you keep looping back to it over and over becoming and old reused spiel. I'm tired of hearing about who is passively weary of him. and not once in all these has he said it's to deal with the demon god. and nowhere has any plan been brought up for such an impossible task. and we don't even know if the next wave will be impacted in any way given no longer any space spirit supporting it. and then even after you deal with the demon god there contenders from all over will safely flood the following worlds with mini demon gods.
Tom Braider
2025-09-25 17:11:23 +0000 UTCBen really needs to have a whole PR team. This delay tactic is just a ticking time bomb
SacredSteel
2025-09-25 16:55:44 +0000 UTCThey should already be aware of the fact. Didnt they have a a meeting about it after Ben returned from captivity?
SacredSteel
2025-09-25 16:53:25 +0000 UTCI think they are long past the honeyed words tbh
SacredSteel
2025-09-25 16:52:14 +0000 UTCRight? I thought FOR SURE thats where Ben was going with parts of that. Im left a good bit confused that it ended without that coming up, tbh. Seems out of left field that it wasn't discussed at this opportunity after the setup/buildup and them trying to understand him. - His plan is no longer quite as ridiculous of a long-shot - its a better plan than the Gods have - its been established that the Gods don't think they can fight him even if they all worked together - in the end, the Gods want to survive all this and Bens plan gives them a better chance - at least sooome of the Gods seem to genuinely want to understand him and who they will (hopefully) be spending eternity with - the plan involves Ben more than likely having his soul destroyed, which means no Godhood to worry about - time is running out So given all that, this was the perfect time for Ben to let them in on his real end-goal. They might even be willing to help him awaken Connect, or give him more stats/blessings given how likely his plan is seeming as he awakens more and more skills. I don't really see why they'd try to stop him, especially since Ben fully expects his soul to get destroyed by this. Thats a win-win for many of the Gods.
Emily Gurnavage
2025-09-25 16:51:14 +0000 UTCHonestly I think Ben should somehow show them all his memory of the demon god just to hammer it in how impossible it is for any of the existing gods to kill that thing, but that would crush morale even more so I dont know
Ves
2025-09-25 16:42:15 +0000 UTCBen's rant boils down to: "Let's all just be better strangers to each other, since I also got nukes now"
Ekko
2025-09-25 16:41:35 +0000 UTCThe final version needs to be more epic ;-)
Luboš Hemala
2025-09-25 16:40:58 +0000 UTCTftc!
Sparsebutton
2025-09-25 16:39:33 +0000 UTCTypical Ben. He makes a good point, but he's as diplomatic as a slap to the face.
Vorquel
2025-09-25 16:33:47 +0000 UTCIs there a reason the giant demon God shaped elephant in the room isn't being mentioned. It seems highly relevant and I don't see any reason Ben's plans to counter him should be a secret.
Ozzy
2025-09-25 16:30:54 +0000 UTCWas expecting him to go more into the direction of telling them off for taking Oun lightly and that he needs the power since he seems to be the only one really trying to win. Though his were also good arguments. What one would expect from the Psychopathic Eldritch Mind Holder Monster. ^^
Finn
2025-09-25 16:30:26 +0000 UTCThanks for the chapter! Ben finally getting some respect from the god is such a satisfying thing.
blucube 14
2025-09-25 16:25:41 +0000 UTCTftc!
brennon Petersen
2025-09-25 16:25:31 +0000 UTCYeah, honestly I feel like in general this point is not very considered by any other character than Ben
Blai Navarro
2025-09-25 16:21:34 +0000 UTCTFTC suprised he didn’t mention anything about having to fight the uber demon god.
Logan
2025-09-25 16:19:21 +0000 UTC