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No one said anything at first, no one could. What possible response could there be for such a request? The fact that Bloom and all of the other plant spirits now existed implied that any combined affinity could be made if Mora wanted to, with only the issue of the request being the reason behind it.

There was no reason to create new types of spirits, not really. Sure, Ben himself was for it if only to satisfy his curiosity at what alterations within a soul would even allow for such a thing and what levels of power would be held for types of magic that had either never grown to such a height or hadn’t in centuries, but that same curiosity wasn’t why the other spirits would want to do it. The greatest thing the creation of new types of spirits would bring was power for one purpose, killing the demons infesting that world.

Something Mora had already said that he himself didn’t want to participate in. Ben wasn’t sure if the boy was an outright pacifist but at the very least he had no interest in killing anything that was a person, something that he would indirectly be contributing to if he used his magic in such a way, a fact that left both his and Thera’s eyes turning to the child.

“Why?” Mora asked, too young and inexperienced to see the reason behind it that seemed so clear, even if the answer Abrus gave was different than what either of them expected.

“There’s a few reasons,” The earth spirit admitted, trying to look gently for the child he was asking this task. “There’s no denying that our existence living among mortals has the potential to cause trouble from time to time on this planet but we also work to help them too and more of us with different varieties of power will mean we’re more equipped to do it, with more strength to protect all of the fragile lives we’ve grown to love, but there’s more to it than just that.”

“More?”

“Mora, you haven’t made any new soul spirits, have you?”

“...I haven’t.”

“I thought so. Whether you choose to or not is your decision but without them you might not fully understand this. We and them are connected in ways other races simply aren’t and there’s a mutual love between us. It is the nature of the great ones to care for and protect the small ones but there’s more beyond that too. The way we all think and all see the world… It can be hard for the regular spirits to understand us and the role we have as we would understand each other and while the connections we form with the morals of this world are close and will leave permanent marks on our eternal lives, they are just that, eternal. When the people we’ve learned to love grow old and die as time goes on, we’ll once more be left with each other for whatever good or ill that holds but we started as ten and then dropped to eight for so long and it’s only now that we’ve seen that we can grow to even more beyond just us. Our own fates can’t be guaranteed, even if we could live forever we’ll still have the potential to die but in whatever long years there may still be for us ahead, given the chance, we’d enjoy having more by our side to face it.”

The longing for companionship seemed true as Ben invaded their thoughts, even if there was still a strong undercurrent of desire for more power to kill the demons and protect the world, but Abrus had implied as much at the beginning of his small speech; there was nothing that needed to be spelled out for Mora and Ben had to admit, it might be good for the boy too. Even if he and Thera succeeded in reaching the third tier in any of their skills, one day their mortal bodies would die. Still able to interact with that plane but no longer a part of it, even if they’d be able to talk to Mora, he’d be alone and what small bit of company they’d be able to give them was only if they really did manage to transcend their limits like that. 

No, the boy needed something more and while he was now getting to know a bit of his extended family, considering that of the ten other spirits living in the world, two of them had abandoned him so soon after he’d been born, there was no escaping the idea that it would be good for him to have more options. The chance to have peers to mingle with and grow to love him as well for whatever eons awaited them.

“And you’ll all accept them?” Mora asked. “They’ll be your family?”

“No, they’ll be our family,” Abrus told him. “For better or for worse, whatever sorts of people they might grow into, they’ll be great spirits and that’s enough.”

“...Alright, I’ll do it but I can’t just do it.”

“Hmm? Thank you but what does that mean?”

“When I made Bloom, I’d already seen plant magic and the skill through peoples’ souls,” He explained. “I needed that too...”

He began miming with his hands, trying to use them to get a point across but failing on that front too until Ben spoke up.

“You just need to see holders of any combined affinity you’d be trying to make, is that it?”

“Yeah, I won’t be able to do anything unless I see them first.”

“Ah, is that all?” Abrus asked. “If that, it’s just a matter of sitting tight for a day or two while we gather people then. If we get my wife’s help, it won’t be hard. Thank you, Mora.”

With his agreement given, it wasn’t long before the other spirits went off to begin organizing things on their end, off to find and collect the holders of any combined affinity they could get or back to their other tasks for the day, leaving the three of them alone once more, with Thera focusing back on the child in her care.

“Now, are you sure about this, Mora?” She asked him. “It doesn’t matter what you told them, you can always change your mind.”

“I won’t. I’ll do it.”

“But sweetheart… you do understand, if more great spirits are born, they will be killing demons too,” She explained, just wanting to be sure he understood that completely. “You’ve already told me you don’t want to. Will that make you uncomfortable?”

“...I don’t get to decide what others do with the lives they’re given,” The boy said, Ben thinking the child was considering his relationship with his own creators as he said it. “I’m not going to ask either of you to stop either, you wouldn’t if I tried, would you?”

“No,” Ben responded, not going to try and soften that truth. “That’s something we can’t stop.”

“But you aren’t asking me to either, even if I could help. You’re letting me make my own choice. I appreciate that.”

Well, if he’s alright with all of this then that’s all that matters.

No matter the strength the boy held, Ben stood by the idea that he was much happier that Mora wasn’t comfortable with killing than the thought that he’d get used to it and if he wasn’t going to let the fact that both Ben and Thera were going to keep doing what they believed they had to affect their relationship then that was the best they could hope for, leaving only one last question on Ben’s mind.

“Well then, with everything sorted out here, I think that means there’s only one last thing that I’m sure we’re all curious about here.”

A statement that left some curious eyes on him, only growing more so with the way his were practically glowing.

“You get different types of spirits to combine into great ones but what about the ones that already exist?” He asked. “Could you get more earth spirits together to create a new great earth spirit who could stand beside Abrus and so on and so forth for every other type of spirit too?”

It was a question that harkened back to an earlier conversation he’d had with Helori, theorizing what might happen if Vividus and Nox decided to try and birth more great soul spirits. The potential to convert large swaths of the spirits of the world into powerful new variants of themselves, creating hundreds of beings that were just short of gods themselves, how could he not be curious, especially when another idea both he and she had batted around still rang out in his head. What if that would let them combine again?

If regular spirits could be considered first-tier lifeforms and a group of them would merge together into second-tier life in the form of the great spirits, could enough matching affinities of them merge into a being that would hold magics at the far end of the third-tier? Beings who could potentially be the holders of a hundred million points of mana and the sort of strength to reshape the world?

Thera couldn’t see that particular thought bobbing around in his head but the thought that Mora might be able to create more of the original great spirits was enough to make her eyes go wide, the idea sure to draw all of them back for another long day of discussions and was only stopped by Mora shaking his head.

“I can’t,” The boy told them. “What I do to the locks on their souls, I…”

He trailed off, once more doing his best to get a certain idea across with his hands but this time failing completely, ultimately letting them fall to his side before finishing. “It would be impossible, their souls wouldn’t allow it.”

“I see. Well, no worries kiddo, I was just curious.”

And there goes the dream of an endless army of great spirits on our side then, along with the idea of some sort of super-great spirit that would be able to ascend to godhood when they die. Oh well, whatever we get from all of the combined affinities of the world is going to be a big help with so much, just gotta look forward to seeing that.

Comments

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Rain

I imagine if it's possible it'll be combining a bunch of 2nd tier spirits.

Roger

There was once an entire planet full of them, I'd imagine their numbers would have been higher than anything ben and thera could accomplish.

RSmerlinious0

and the three combined are even rarer, I think we have only seen plant and lightning.

bioenthusiast

At all the time spirit fans around here: I'm pretty sure they all left is because it would be a nightmare for Turnip to write them into the story. Time-power trickery is really hard to write.

Michigo

In regards to super powered great spirits: there is always a chance that something naturally happens when A LOT of regular spirits of one kind are alive at once. Meaning there is a chance great spirits could somewhat ascend in a natural way. Ben and Thera have already found a way to make normal spirits reproduce faster, great and normal spirits DO share some type of connection after all.

Michigo

Blessing is Life and Light.

Vroom

Is plasma an affinity, or just something you can make with an appropriate lightning affinity spell? I imagine if there is an affinity, the magic is fundamental enough that they would not simply be a soldier, even if maybe their magic is exceptionally martial.

Carl Mason

Well this is something and I can’t wait to see what ben thinks of what mora does to spirit souls to make this happen also we might just see every mixed affinity magic the world has discovered over the years

Phoenixdrop

I believe it is air fire and water for lighting. I've been re reading the series and I'm pretty sure they mention it in like chapter 2 or 3

Micah B Graves

I think Mora would be able to make a great spirit of a transitioned magic. Like a great charm spirit for example. Mora should have to see a person whose magic transitioned completely into that magic though, like the opposite of what happened to Thera's where someone's dark magic got absorbed by their charm during awakening

Corvusamous

I think air and fire is lightning. I misremembered and said plasma. I don't remember what the combination magics are tbh

SacredSteel

I do think they could make time spirits from first principles but based on the explanation of how time spirits "went to the end of time" and how Mora can't make more that one great spirit of an affinity that Mora wouldn't be able to make another Great time spirits because the last one is kinda stretched through time

Corvusamous

I think plasma would be a transitioned fire magic. Unless it's supposed to be combined with light as a sort of sun magic?

Corvusamous

Oof. But what if yes to Non-affinity spirits? And then adding time magic in based on how awakened time mages use their magic? I think any time spirits would quite quickly go to the end of time but they might be able to keep them long enough to combine into other affinities that wouldn't want to go to the end of time

Corvusamous

How would blessing magic be unawakened? Are there some with low-blessing magic as their blessed skills? I was under the impression that blessing was the awakened combination of life and life

Corvusamous

Even if a concencus of spirits were okay with being used effectively as materials for a new being they likely wouldn't agree to this now because it would centralize power too much. They need the great spirits to spread out to cover more gates. Using mini gates has the weakness of anti magic or a space mage wrecking them and leaving multiple gates defenceless so it is ideal to have more in more places

Corvusamous

Yea some of the combos are quite rare. IIRC, people with blessing magic for example number in the single digits and most of those aren't even awakened. I don't think we have encountered too many mixed magic users over the course of the story either.

Emily Gurnavage

Ah but what if a great earth spirit, life spirit and water spirit combine? Could they form a super -saiyan- great spirit of nature?

Barkeep

Can anyone remeber if air spirits exist? Assuming they do, and ignoring the time spirits as they've disappeared, that gives us 9 base affinities spirits (light, dark, life, death, space, earth, water, fire, air)? If so, that mean 511 potential different types of spirit. However the limitation on Mora needing to see the combined affinity, potentially restricts that number significantly. I cant recall all the combined affinity that have previously been mentioned, but with plant magic (combo of 3 affinities) being considered rare, if we assume affinity combos of 3 is the cap, that would give us 129 potential different type of spirit. The final limitation then becomes how many of these combined affinities have been discovered, and of those how many currently have a living skill holder.

Sce7tm

They disappeared a while ago, so maybe? If we're able to create base time spirits from first principles then we could look at it, but without those base spirits I'm not sure we could at all

Thomas Keller

2 problem there is no time spirit on this world and the great one is supposed to be alive.

Atila M

Not all affinities because there is no time spirit available on the world

Atila M

Everything makes sense so far but I am curious if they can make an all Affinity spirit based on Jake? That would be weird. Although with no time spirit it may be a non starter.

Micah B Graves

I wonder what sort of domain the combined affinity great spirits would hold. I get plant ones I guess but what about plasma or any other. Will they just be soldiers or will they find a place for them in the world.

SacredSteel

I wonder if Mora will allow Ben to observe through his "eyes"

Darius Sanguna

So no Great Time Spirit? ;-(

Luboš Hemala

About as expected. Narratively, it would be far too convenient to mass produce power like that. And in-universe, the other great spirits have most certainly already considered and ruled it out like Mora.

Vorquel


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