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“Okay, so I’ve got something to tell you guys but let's do our best to not make this talk worse than it has to be.”

“Empty skies Ben, what is it now?” His god asked, knowing well from experience that whatever his apostle was about to say was sure to be an absolute pain.

“Er, before that, let's all just also agree to keep this between the four of us. No need to let any other gods know about it.”

“So it’s worse than usual then?” Helori asked as she looked down at him from where she sat. “This should be good.”

“Ben, please just get to it.”

“Okay, okay, so I found out what my newest skill does, it’s very unique, definitely one I’m the first to get. Probably pulling from my three main inclinations too which is honestly kind of neat-”

“And also a poor sign given what two of them are,” Nare muttered, with Myriad not having it in him to deal with his apostle’s way of circling the issue.

“The point Ben, in ten words or less.”

“Fine, fine. I can send souls to hell now.”

“...Why though?”

Myriad asked as he crashed to the ground, leaving Helori still hovering in the air where she’d originally been sitting which couldn’t help but bring questions to Ben’s mind about just what the point of their little chair-play even was, holding himself back from asking in the end. While his god at least had something to say, the other two stayed silent, staring at him with a level of shock so extreme that even the knowledge goddess in the realm wasn’t immediately pressing him for questions for once, too busy mentally examining the implications and consequences of what he’d just said.

“Ahem, I have my theories. A lot of theories in fact. I got the job that gave me the skill after both acquiring witness of chaos and then trapping Ather in hell and well, Myriad already knows this but in the time since I’ve done some thought experiments on spell configurations that would let other hypothetical individuals open a portal to hell themselves and the system in a growing tool, isn’t it? It’s bound to me so it’s aware of my hypotheses on the topic so my best bet is that it used whatever potential already existed within me and applied it, ending up with a skill that can pull it off.” 

“...Ben, I’d just like you to know that, for the record, you are allowed to keep some things secret from me,” Myriad told him, sounding like he wanted to escape from the things he’d just been told. “Hell, you can keep things from the three of us just fine, there’s really no reason to go out of your way to share all of these little details.”

“I mean, I personally think it’s good to keep you updated so that if it ever comes up I don’t need to give you a much longer rundown.”

“I don’t want this to ever come up in any way at all! I don’t want to hear about this again, I mostly just want to forget you said it and move on with my day.”

“Listen, it’s not that big of a deal, it’s not like every god on the planet can’t do the same thing.”

“Yes, but we’re gods!”

“And I’ve seen no proof that with all of that age and power is a guarantee for even a drop of wisdom. Relax, I don’t plan on misusing this.”

“I feel like any use of the skill qualifies as misusing it.”

“It’s really just going towards practicing on the souls I’m already creating and maybe any demons I run into that I can’t fight any other way.”

“That’s… Wait, with all of the jobs and inclinations and probably even titles too with how many of those stupid things you have, what level have you gotten it to already?”

“I mean, you were just saying something about the value of keeping some secrets-”

“I changed my mind already so tell me!”

“A very reasonable, very cool, seven.”

“...Helori, just for my own morbid curiosity, what are the implications if my horrible, monster apostle awakens this absurd skill? Just what might it grow into for this poor world and mostly me to have to deal with?”

“I mean, that’s really impossible to say,” The goddess said, finally pulled from her thoughts enough that she came down to do what she would so frequently, plunging her arms into Ben’s chest and feeling around. “The most obvious result is that doing it will just get significantly easier. Ben, tell us a bit about how it feels to use the skill.”

“Well, for starters it looks like I can feel your soul now that you're in my range-”

A statement that made the goddess jump back to Myriad’s side before he could say another word but still left him to continue.

“...But I can already tell with my sacrilege that I can’t use it on you in its current form so you probably don’t need to react so extremely, and for the record, even if I could I wouldn’t.”

“Ahem, and any other details of the skill then?” She asked, trying to keep what bit of dignity she could after that display.

“Well, I need the target to be within range of the skill which is still only a bit more than a foot around me despite how much it’s grown today, but for the souls I create the mana cost is negligible. A couple of points and that’s it, which I can only assume would be the same if I were dealing with a proper ghost but can’t be sure of without testing. On the living though, well, when I did it to a few demons I didn’t look at the exact mana cost but from the feel I would estimate it was maybe a hundred points of the stuff to do and it took longer too but it’s reasonable to expect that that will improve as it grows a little more. Considering the magic demons hold it also wouldn’t be unreasonable to think that they fought it a bit while I was doing it, at least on a subconscious level, which means it might be easier to do on a regular person but since I won’t be testing that I can’t know for sure.”

“...Cheap,” Helori muttered as she listened to what Ben had already learned and theorized. “That mana cost is nothing for such an act, something like that shouldn’t be so easy.”

“Why not?”

“Because condemning a soul to hell shouldn’t be some easy thing, especially given that we’re talking about a mortal piercing a layer of reality on any level, that’s an outrageous achievement.”

“It’s what I do every single night I come up here for no mana cost.”

“...A fair point I suppose, when you put it like that I can’t help but wonder if your already present talent in passing one way through reality has left it easier for you to do it another. Still though… Myriad, Nare, both of you need to look at his soul.”

“Um, why?” Ben asked. “Myriad’s only done it to me once but I can not stress this point enough, I’m not into vore.”

“Ben, as your god I’m going to politely ask you to never describe my way of examining you like that again.”

“And it’s important because for years now, I’ve been the only one among us to look at your soul,” Helori told him. “An extra set of eyes could make trying to understand all of the changes in it and discuss them easier.”

“...Ugh, fine. In that case, Nare, is how you do it going to be more akin to how Myriad or Helori would?”

“Helori.”

“Oh thank god. Okay, get your looks then but let's not make this a frequent thing.”

He let Nare plunge his arms into him and closed his eyes for Myriad opening up at the seams around him. His mind may have shut down the only other time his god had taken him in to examine him but with all of the changes he’d been through since then, he didn’t want to count on his odds of getting that same mercy a second time until finally they were all done.

“So, anything worthwhile then?” He asked.

“Maybe, we’ll have to talk first,” Helori told him with a shrug. “For now though, it’s probably a good time to go down and talk with your ward, it will give us some time to talk among ourselves in the meanwhile.”

“Yeah, sounds good then. Let me know if you find anything interesting.”

He’d told them the main thing he’d intended to that night anyway and with that he went down, leaving the three gods alone and not getting to see as two turned to the goddess in their midst.

Comments

Totally a weapon to use against an outer god. If that happens again.

IdolTrust

Aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!?!?

Andrew Nichols

That's another good point. When he reaches Tier 3 Crafting/Enchanting, progression will be difficult because all the Tier 3 skills people have are Level 0. There also aren't very many of them so it does not make sense to discard one of his sources. A mind circlet with the prophecy enchantment could be a good option for the fight against Oaun

Cole Armstrong

Sending it to hell should be harder then sealing it and would be less useful for the world then more god soul to use for gardening

Isiah Debarros

It's better for him to keep it for when he get to 3rd tier one more 3rd tier skill to use for his crafting is way more valuable

Isiah Debarros

I mean that would be just a likely as Oaun stealing it from Ben's pocket. Actually less likely cuz all the other souls to go through

Isiah Debarros

What?!

Gut

The problem with this is that he loses control of the Demon soul. If Oaun opens a portal to hell and fishes it out and then merges with it, Ben's odds of victory drastically fall

Cole Armstrong

I wonder if sending a tier 3 demon soul to hell would be enough to upgrade sacrilege. It should definitely be enough to awaken condemnation though.

TBONEMAN

@Michigo, as I remember the souls disappear anyways, we just don't know where they go. I seem to remember Ben being slightly worried that some mutliversal god would get pissy at him for making so many souls (and letting them pass on).

Justin

Myriad has commented before that the souls in the jacket started to give him faith. Also, in addition to mana batteries and faith, they act as the info store for the materializers. IIRC, he impressed that info via connect. That'd be 2 examples of them arguably growing after creation.

Andrew Carlson

I think that he could send a God to the hells now if he weakened them first

Corvusamous

Simply condem all demons to hell and parade their meat suits with replacements

Corvusamous

My theory is that the bound souls give Myriad faith because they are inferior copies of Ben's soul. They shouldn't give Ben faith because Ben doesn't give Ben faith. But if he did then they would, bound or not.

Corvusamous

Fine, fine. Ben can send souls to the hells now.

Corvusamous

“The point Ben, in ten words or less.” “Fine, fine. I can send souls to hell now.” Yep. 9 words after being asked to do it in ten or less. I find that quite funny. Less funny than exactly ten, but he complied while stretching it still.

Demolug

I think it's been confirmed that at the very least bound souls can generate faith, in one of the earlier chapters they found Myriad was getting faith from the souls bound to the First Church and Ben added more souls to some of his other churches to exploit it

Markopolo

First question - should be able to, explained more later. The 2nd bit - Ben mused before over how the souls he creates are SO basic that they even lack the ability to ever grow beyond what they are. That they are more basic than any soul that should be possible to ever come into being naturally. Its just a glob of the very basic substance that souls are made of, basically. No structure, all substance. And they are not currently capable of anything besides being mana batteries as far as we know. So could the ones he uses to level be giving him faith - id have to say no personally. Could a free soul believe in something though? I would say yes. From what we know, sufficiently complex and powerful disembodied souls still think and process in a way. So they should be able to give faith just fine within the rules of the story. I don't think they could communicate with the Gods or be brought up though unless the soul possessed some special qualities/abilites like Ben's, since *most* mortals dont think with their souls until after death and are not used to it.

Emily Gurnavage

Can a free soul believe in something in a very minute way? What if every soul Bens created (that he hasn't pushed towards Myriad) has innately considered him to be a god and pushed little bits of faith his way

Markopolo

Would probably make more sense to use Rule Bender of Esoteric Actualization to prevent the item from ascending. If he gets the former up enough he can probably exceed mythic tier eventually with his crafts

Cole Armstrong

He can probably awaken Sacrilege if he sends the Forbidden god's soul to hell with Condemnation. I think awakening sacrilege by killing gods will be very difficult. At the very least, I think it would take several. However, using their own power against them seems new and unique enough to get the job done. Would also probably be enough to awaken condemnation so I am curious which would swallow the other

Cole Armstrong

I like this theory. Ben responds to the demon invasion by creating his own demon race lol

Lucas

Even if he uses this in a public way, nobody is going to assume that he somehow condemned a soul to hell. Unless he declares that is what he did. Which tbf is in character for Ben

Lucas

There's nothing to suggest whether becoming a god quickly or building up power before transcending is better

Kaihwa

WHY CLIFF!?!? TFCCCCC

Rain

Cool theory, but the system skills are only supposed to be beneficial. Preventing his rise to tier 3 seems like a total negative

Mister Cakers

Ben the father of hell natives? The father of hell demons? :p So he is sending blank slate souls to hell, who have no concept joy or suffering to a place meant to induce suffering... If they grow sapience there, would they even find it uncomfortable? I can’t help but think he is kick starting a society of sapient hell “natives” who's whole experience is living in hell with that as the default way of existing.

Justin

Lol Cor, The system's error log has like 5 pending 3rd tier awakenings stuck behind an unmanagable error

Emily Gurnavage

Thats a neat theory. The power has just been building up instead.

Emily Gurnavage

Can’t wait for the god pov

Phoenixdrop

Helori was not the smoothest with obviously wanting Ben away to talk to the others. Not a good sign. And for the first time she wanted other opinions... Bens soul hit some sort of threshold, didn't it? For the next step in whatever its been growing towards. Which honestly seems like itll be a giant tentacle monster made out of soul at this point. Like the Outsider Ben killed, but less physical, lol.

Emily Gurnavage

Yeah, he can basicaly do anything a god can, is soul merging can be seen as a weird type of blessing

Redc05

Oh no, no, no, no, no

Jeremy Durbin

Oh wait. What if sacrilege is actively holding him back from getting a skill to tier 3 because of its interaction with divinity and the system? What if the process for the system making someone a god is made harder by the presence of the sacrilege skill?

Echohunter

That would be so cool

Laurent Jerry

Exactly, Ben accidentally makes a divine weapon for Amy then uses condemnation to drag it down to be usable

Corvusamous

It may be time i reread this.

Carl Mason

Kool-aid man peeks around the door, "this is so not a good time."

Carl Mason

Uhhh no mythical are the step under divine. Like the sword that cuts everything, the archive book and the 'everyone arround gets pregnant' ball

Laurent Jerry

I'm pretty sure that is not the case, otherwise what tier is it, what is it called? I seem to recall that some Mythic level items were technically mythical but didn’t have the power level to ascend, but the level at which items begin to ascend is Mythic tier.

Carl Mason

Sacrilege combined with Condemnation at T2 could maybe send gods to hell. Even having the skill is kind of sacrilegeous so they might have great synergy.

Luboš Hemala

Oh No!

Ansh Khean

I can,t wait for Ben to turn into a god and be the strongest m. Don’t forget this guy is still a 2nd tier with quite a lot of time to get more skills and awaken some before he gets to the 3rd tier.

Frusoh

I love how he's slowly turning into a divine while not having to die first

ReadingObsessed

oh yes

Nematrec

Well. That wasn't ominous at all...

SacredSteel

mythical doesn't ascend. It's the tier above mythical that does.

Nematrec

It's already upper legendary; if after improvement it turns out to be mythic and then Amy can't use it because it ascends, that'd be pretty funny.

Baskaran

I want condemnation to merge with connect to get that range

Schmidt

From a regular persons point of view: yes, because the lifeless body of the target just falls to the ground. But the real kicker is the express ticket to hell, another plane of existence.

Michigo

Well what's he waiting for ! Chop chop crafter boy get to it and make a legendary weapon already ! ❤

Laurent Jerry

Ben has still not finished redesigning the control system for his super-complicated barrier weapon, but he's working on it.

Carl Mason

His apostle is Ben. He has the most reason to curse out of everyone in the series.

Michael Wilson

What if Ben not being able to go unconscious is the only reason he hasn't turned god by this point

Corvusamous

Maybe it took all three of them together to realize that Ben's sacrilege is actively hiding some stuff about his soul

Corvusamous

I just realized Myriad might be the person in this series to curse the most

Corvusamous

Ben made a prototype but knows he can do better

Corvusamous

Ben's already a god, isn't he? Soul quality wise, anyway. A weak one, probably, but a god all the same.

Collateral_ink

My theory is that Tier3 normally rapidly turn mortal body into divine one, that's why Falk was knocked out after awakening. Meanwhile Ben is doing the same, but gradually and that make change more powerfull. Now he have 3rd godlike trait.

Piotr

In a way it is similar to what soul mages can do by stripping a soul from body, they just let it pass on..

Luboš Hemala

TFTC!

CataFlan

Tftc. Also what happened to Amy weapon missing something ?

Laurent Jerry

Tftc!

brennon Petersen

Probably

Isiah Debarros

I'm guessing Ben's soul is even more unique then helori has let on until now.

TheCrazyDuck

Whelp, this will be a whole thing when he inevitably does it in some high profile way and it comes out that these three knew about it.

Rayse

Looks like another god convo chapter next time. Might be there’s some drastic changes that Helori didn’t notice because they happen minutely

Moatdog

God POV next?

Brandon Yarberry

oh no

Nicolae

Thanks for the chapter!

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