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He felt a line of thoughts he hadn’t previously let himself touch on burrow into his mind and whisper in his ear, a truth to it all he couldn’t escape. Saving the world was probably impossible. Saving himself and a handful of people who mattered to him though? Would that even be a challenge?

He even already had ideas that could work. When he’d discussed the prospect of some alternative other than killing Oaun when he’d gotten back with the gods he’d suggested a few he knew would be doomed to fail but that was only when working on the scale of trying to save the planet. On a significantly smaller scale though, would there even be any real problems?

Construct a vessel with time enchantments on it to keep the occupants frozen within while getting Ogilt to transport them to another galaxy and it might have actually been feasible. Ben would have to constantly move mana from the souls he created into the great spirit but there was no reason it couldn’t be done, and regardless of how wrong it would be, if Ogilt was against it, Ben was confident he could take him over with hive mind to force the other to his will.

There were other issues with it too, how long it might take to get somewhere safe from the demon’s god and gathering the people he cared about, with both being affected by just how many he’d be willing to bring with him and what he’d need to do to make it happen.

Thera and her entire family were obvious and without much thought, he knew he’d want to bring every human on the planet too regardless of how close or not he was with some of them, and if he was bringing one entire group of summoned then he might as well take another. It would do no harm for the grey to feel in his debt if he took every member of their kind he could off of that doomed world.

And who else? He liked Sachel and Ralia enough that he’d want to save them, really he’d choose to take her entire village, adding a few hundred dryads to the list and why stop at just one village? He’d obviously need to bring the demidemons too, with that thought growing to all of Myriad’s believers since there were still less than a thousand in total.

Yuzu too, though since she was Jake’s wife that should have been obvious but it did raise the point that he’d need to try and bring at least a few of the people everyone else he would take was close to as well, and when he thought about the list of people he liked well enough on the planet that he didn’t want to die, that meant the number was only going to grow.

But no matter how many mortals he decided he wanted to grab in the end, he believed he could make it manageable. There was no way their numbers would be above ten thousand and if he did make a vessel to help hold them all, he could manipulate not only the flow of time but space as well, keeping the size reasonably small. The bigger issue was that some of the gods of the world might stop him but so long as he built it, he could get the space spirits of the world to bring him everyone else he would want to take along the day he was ready to go and escape before any deity would notice.

That did bring another obvious point though; the gods. He was comfortable saying there were four he’d want to save, maybe five if he included Jagal since she’d always been good to him but that would be harder to deal with, with the best idea he had at the moment being to trick them into descending upon their believers before trapping them to bring along. Myriad would be extra difficult but Ben would find a way, although all of them would need to have at least a couple hundred of their believers brought along too, with the last question being what he’d even do after.

He would in essence be kidnapping gods and mortals alike to leave the rest of the planet to die. Even if he succeeded and got to a new planet far away from whatever demons that galaxy held, how many of them would be grateful? Even if he saved a few, he’d be tearing plenty away from friends and family, leaving them behind to deal with whatever horrors were left waiting once the third wave went through. Just how would thousands of potential people react to that? How many would forgive him either, even among the ones he cared about?

A question that didn’t really matter. They could all hate him but they’d be alive to hate him, wasn’t that good enough? In whatever world they’d end up building, he could go down in history as a monster and that would be fine if it meant there were people alive to view him as such.

And aren’t I uncomfortably well equipped to help build a new world if it comes to that? I have the near total of this planet’s magical knowledge in my head and I can read up on every other book worth reading too. I’m one of the best at making things on this entire planet, if I combine that with the millions of points of mana I can pull from my jacket then I could have a real settlement made in a day, plus my materializers could keep us all fed during initial set up.

Hell, they could do the job for years if it came to it for some reason and I could get the greys’ help too. No reason they couldn’t chip in on city planning if I’m saving some of their people and it’s not like I’d stop working on the summoning spell. Plus, that would actually be better for them. I know they’re having trouble finding a backup world they’d want to contact if this one falls but a brand-new planet should be pretty tolerable, shouldn’t it? And given the gods of this one have all had to live among others, I’d at least say the ones I’d want to bring with me are probably mellow enough that they won’t have any of those insane restrictions that gods used to ruling their worlds alone or in small groups would have.

That does leave the issue of whatever gods already exist on whatever world we’d land on since we’d need something that already has life and an ecosystem, but as long as we get somewhere that hasn’t started to uplift a group… Well, I’m confident in my negotiation skills, I’ll make it work. Especially if whatever gods are young enough actually, finding a planet like that should be the goal. Nare said they’re basically infants or animals, no reason not to let the ones I’d drag along raise whichever ones we find.

The more he thought about it, the better the idea felt. Let the people he loved live, let himself live, and abandon this planet that viewed him as nothing more than a resource. All at the cost of everyone he’d leave behind.

That was the key issue with that entire line of thought but one he was happy to try and ignore as a larger part of him tried to work out the logistics, even with one question still in his head. Could he go through with it?

<THE GOD MYRIAD WANTS PERMISSION TO VIEW YOUR THOUGHTS AND SPEAK IN YOUR MIND. ALLOW?>

<THE GOD HELORI WANTS PERMISSION TO VIEW YOUR THOUGHTS AND SPEAK IN YOUR MIND. ALLOW?>

…Deny.

Whether he could or not, he had months to decide and it was never too soon to start planning so as he continued to draw he refined the idea, feeling all he’d learned on the planet click into place so he could abandon it.

<UNNATURAL INSPIRATION LEVEL INCREASED>


Comments

I don’t think it could be used to inch closer to victory. Judging by Helori’s reaction Ouan WILL notice if even one of his followers is hit with faithstone, and quickly show up to see what the problem is. I think ideal usage would be to make several “dirty bombs” and shove them through the gate network just as he goes to fight Ouan.

James Trautwein

What's the tall poppy scenario?

Corvusamous

@James we could say the same about any offensive action. The reason the father-in-law spikes are important is that it's a preparation that could inch been closer to victory in a way he's been failing to

Corvusamous

Well, if Ben was reasonable, he would play to his strengths ans try to ascend T3 Knowledge and his mind skills first. He has much better affinity to it. And visit Zandale, he could pay whatever to get the skills he needs and I doubt there would be anyone complaining given his contributions. Heck he could ask that to be his next payment.

Luboš Hemala

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Thando vanika

He'll need to reach tier 3 enchanting for that, since according to what we know it's only at tier 3 enchanting that you can make enchantments that make enchantments. But even so, would that help? I mean, if you make self-replicating drones to kill demons it would help with cleansing the conquered worlds after the war ends, but I don't see it really helping with the war itself.

Collateral_ink

Seems like he’s 99% of the way to making Vonn Neumann machines. 3-d printers making more 3-d printers.

Macronomicon

Please no. Just... no.

Collateral_ink

They can certainly try. But to quote him "Watch me".

Michigo

So instead of raining down anti matter on his planets, do faithstone.

Chris Fey

Ben+Oglit just might be able to move the moon far enough to make that a nonissue.

Person

So Ben is slowly becoming the future self, Oaun. They are making a villian. He wants to save people by kidnapping.

IdolTrust

Ok I do see a major issue with that plan. It only seems like a good idea because the gods Ben spends time with are so much weaker than ouan. You have to remember that ouan has several trillion maybe even several quadrillion followers. Ouan probably wouldn’t even notice the faith stone spikes unless several million or even billion of his followers were spiked simultaneously.

James Trautwein

In my opinion, it's a slippery slope right he went from just his friends to just the people he cares about to the whole village to all the God cares about and potentially all of their people that's a whole lot of people especially considering that one of the groups he's talking about is one of the biggest populations on the planet

Isiah Debarros

I mean, he could make some thing that's not what's unrealistic what is unrealistic is that like everything would be fixed after he managed to convince or kidnap everybody he particularly cares about and who they care about onto his ship cuz like again like he's the one with the least amount of connections in the world. Everybody else has people they care about who have people they care about, and unless he wants to be represented after like saving everybody he cares about. What he's trying is unrealistic.

Isiah Debarros

It is too unreasonable. Given Ben's current power level and crafting ability, it actually isn't that unrealistic. I have no doubt he could find an unoccupied, livable planet, build a ship to get there, and bring some friends when he abandons the world to its fate. It is, however, entirely unreasonable to think that they would abandon their friends and families and responsibilities and lives to go with him.

Carl Mason

Two things I'm still going why hasn't he thought of: 1. Faithstone spikes on the demons, 2. Myriad Redux

Chris Fey

It's definitely doable. It just comes down to how to coordinate it and getting everyone on board. Which means Ben would need to be in charge. And that won't happen with the gods at the helm. Even if they agreed, they would drag their feet too much to get it done. They're pretty much all idiots.

Collateral_ink

Turnip! Brovo! With as far in to this story as we've gotten, you've managed to keep us all engaged and on our feet guessing as what's to come! You do a fantastic job! Thanks you so much for continuing to write such an amazing story!!! I can't wait to see what happens next!!

A Guy Named Chris With A Common Last Name

So.. I Ben just going to build a world size arc? Like I don't think the limits of space manipulation have been found. Now that he's looking into it, is he going to realize that he totally has the capacity to save the world this way? Like, if you add in the help of all of the other crafters and mages, I could totally see everyone coming together to make something incredible. Like imagine Ben getting together with faulk and, I think it's Jake right? , anyway get those two together and make a scalable materializer for the special void stone. Falk could totally use his scalable production abilities to produce various standardized equipment to allow people to survive. And basically Ben would just take everybody specializations and put them together running this whole huge project. Is it too late for that? Is everyone in too much dispare? Or am I overthinking just how powerful everyone is? I don't know, seems like this is entirely reasonable though. Like if they just pack most of the worlds population into dense space and time formations, packed together like sardines, then have the ones that can contribute in a sort of control space, the could very conceivably build a planetary evacuation ship.

A Guy Named Chris With A Common Last Name

In general the idea of running away is sound. It honestly should have been plan A for the gods once the planet was targeted; the idea they could win a ground war against the demons was always laughable, not to mention the idea that they might just stop on their own... But I think Ben is being wildly pessimistic about how many he could get out, even at this late start. He has access to 9 out of 10 great spirits. Add in a few really good time mages and millions of mana in a ritual coordinated by Ben and he could make the mother of all gates. Definitely enough to get anywhere else in the galaxy, and maybe enough to reach another one. That alone would allow for mass evacuations, provided they could keep order. Things would be pretty bad on the other side--lack of infrastructure and food, not too mention potentially dangerous environments and hostile natives--but the majority of the population would have a good chance to live.

Collateral_ink

The trouble with setting up a fall-back option anywhere near the planet currently being invaded is that it would almost certainly be invaded right after. The only thing stopping Oaun from invading one planet after another is finding a suitable target. I can't imagine, given his power levels, he wouldn't become immediately aware of their presence if they were that close.

Collateral_ink

Yeah, i can already picture Ben zapping Analia out of Thera. Cause the last thing he wants to see now is a god possessing Thera... after just fighting a demon possessed version of her. xD

Michigo

With how the Gods are acting in this world, I truly believe that the tall poppy syndrome would take place and thus not allow any evacuation planning to happen if it doesn't include EVERYBODY.

Cheuk Hin Ho

It says he refines the idea as he draws. That is all it says, which could be taken to mean that he is drafting a spaceship, yes. It seems to me more like he is drawing sort of absently, and thinking; that he had this idea occur to him while he was drawing and is working on his current picture while his other several thousand minds work on his "IDEA" of an escape ship/ark. Maybe i am wrong, but that was how I viewed it. So, yes, real question: do we actually know he is drafting designs for his potential escape plan?

Carl Mason

They are using his gates and they can’t run to him? Thera can literally fly! She could take her time and still be there in 15 minutes

Talon88

Is that a joke but im too tired to think of how? Or an actual question? Not tryna be rude, haven't slept in bout 23 hours. Maybe because I mentioned the spaceship when its such an obvious focus of the chapter and your bein sarcastic? I just thought it was funny the Gods can see him atm but cant communicate and wasn't sure if everyone would remember it works that way. The entire chapter Ben talked about building a spaceship though. He talks at length about how space travel could be handled. And when he talks about drawing at the end, he specifically says he continues refining THE plan.

Emily Gurnavage

Their planet has a moon, right? Is his evil inclination level high enough for a moon base?

mythic

Do we know he is drafting a spaceship? It wouldn't surprise me, but do we know that? It didn't look like it to me anywhere in the chapter.

Carl Mason

Not to mention horribly sacrilegious.

Carl Mason

He will get out in less then 5 more months

Isiah Debarros

Ya he is hard-core panicking. To the point where he has extreme tunnel vision. And can't really think of all the implications of what he's thinking of doing. Like Is it possible. Is it possible that he can make something big enough to house all of the people that he wants to save? Probably but It's gonna end up being more and more people because these groups are like interconnected at this point

Isiah Debarros

This rather sounds like "Ben Season" is about to be opened. He no longer has value to the gods, why should they allow his presence to continue weakening their grip on this world.

Carl Mason

Correct, many gods are used to holding believers and progress in general back. But they have to face reality nonetheless: the demons and their god in particular doesn't give a damn about that. Get strong, or prepare to die. On top of that as far as we know plenty of gods are totally fine with strong followers. Sure, most of the more warlike gods are already dead, but i very much doubt that ALL martially inclined gods bit the dust. Even right now, with doomsday at their literal door steps they STILL hesitate? => That's why i call them moronic.

Michigo

Don't forget about the dude in a Pokeball in the ocean before jumpin planets lol

Emily Gurnavage

He has plenty of thought speed to stew in his hate, but he also doesn't have physical speed enhancement. He also has a STACK of filled sketchbooks beside his lawn chair, he has clearly been there for QUITE SOME TIME, and no one has thought to send a physical mouthpiece they can use to check on him.

Carl Mason

Unfortunately if that route happened, it would have to be a different God. Myriad confirmed again not toooo far back that he still lacks any believers close enough to his race to descend and if he tried the host would end up dead from Myriad flailing to control the body right and ruining it/suffocating/dying lots of ways. He *could* gain that option one day in the faaaar future, but iirc he said he would need quite a significant amount of believers from one race to agree to the merge on death option and then eventually he would have enough part of him to descend into one. . . The idea does have merit though still. Analia happens to be invested, is somewhat part of Ben's "circle", and happens to have a *very* powerful worshipper that Ben is on good terms with - actually, maybe not, lol. It felt like a good idea till I typed it out. But maybe right this moment wouldn't be the best time for Ben to see Thera hosting Analia on the Mortal Plane. He might snap.

Emily Gurnavage

Ben being willing to kidnap that many people and also keeping this under wraps is going to end up in a disaster. He shouldn't take peoples autonomy of themselves. In this case, he wouldn't be better than the gods that forces their believers to do whatever benefits them.

SacredSteel

I bet GMO products would piss off too many nature Gods. Remember the shit we learned about Gods doin who have whole planets to themselves or tiny Pantheons? Entire planets were kept in the stone ages for millions of years because a God decided working metal was unnatural. Or that planet Ben learned about where any kind of farming was blasphemy so civilization never evolved. Shoot, I cant remember half the dumb restrictions the Grey told Ben about or Ben learned when he was readin ghost minds from the Infinite Hells. But from what we learned, none of these races with Gods ever advanced very far. The Gods themselves hold their people back, since Gods dont really change much over time.

Emily Gurnavage

The gods are niave. I think they thought they wouldn't get invaded again so they haven't been preparing except since 5 years ago

Corvusamous

Funny thought: Even though Ben keeps denying the Gods entry to his mind, they can still see the world around him. So Myriad and Helori are up there *watching Ben draft a space ship* and desperately trying to call him lol. And he has discussed this plan with them before, but on a larger scale - so at least one of em will surely recognize the route Ben is thinking.

Emily Gurnavage

The only issue: rebuilding wasn't the goal, preparing for all out final war was. And in that regard they failed gloriously. I mean all they have achieved is the birth of a bunch of more gods. As impressive as that sounds: divine power is restricted by the amount of faith it's based on. New gods will only split the available faith pie even further. Heck, they didn't even see the betrayal of those faith starved evil gods coming. They could have settled hundreds of worlds during that time, or at the very least increased the local population by a factor of 100 times, but nope: they can barely feed the current amount of mortals... despite access to crazy magic and tech. Why do they need a mythical level item and t3 contendor just to produce foodstuff? How crazy inefficient is this bunch of moronic gods? PS: ffs there is magic that makes plants and animals grow faster. They can literally CREATE perfect life stock and agriculture plants to feed everyone with ease... being all godly and divine etc.

Michigo

I think the system is only about a thousand years old? Which is still a pretty long time, but not quite so much that their level of preparation is totally unforgivable. Especially since they’ve been rebuilding hundreds of cultures from essentially zero.

Sesharan

I know you said no time travel shenanigans, but he is setting himself as a good proto God of survival. Big reveal he is the evil God all along just with nothing left to lose if thera dies to God's being dumb

KingMinnow

You're forgetting how fast he thinks. Those 2 can't teleport so no matter how fast they move Ben has plenty of time to stew in his own thoughts no matter what anyone else wants to do.

Jacob Ferreras

Not even considering that (if we assume they fear Ben because of sacrilege), they're hilariously underprepared. The system is about 90 thousands years(?) old and it was created to fight demons. Where are enormous stockpiles of food and weapons, entire fortress cities and so on? Mortals have no hope of maintaining anything over such timespans, but gods should have been preparing for millenniums. Instead ulra-rare was considered nation treasure before Ben came along, and they're worried about starvation before third wave already. Gods are absolutely useless as far as actual war goes.

CherMi

Having Thera or Falk go talk to him wouldn’t make things worse unless they tried badgering him into being the gods whipping boy which I can’t see them doing that

Talon88

I think he should be able to take millions of people don’t see why he only says 10k, he has months to materialize and build a massive arc to stick people in, and honestly the gods are stupid because they should have had an escape plan, they shouldn’t even have let 3T people die and ascend, they could have froze them in time, and wake them for the war.

JC.Angel

Miriad is probably telling them "that will make it worse, please don't" tbh miriad is probably pissed. He might even be on board with Ben's idea.

Rizeres

TFC

Rain

When you really think about it: the gods are real morons. They invested unimaginable resources into the construction of a "last stand" sort of world, with a crazy self evolving system meant to uplift someone or something to the level of power needed to save them. And the moment someone actually comes remotely close to using the very tools they created to achieve this goal... they get cold feet? That's plain and simple moronic. Their big masterplan WAS the creation of a freak strong enough to do what they can't do themselves. Did they seriously believe someone or something stronger than them would willingly become a slave to their wills? That's hilariously stupid.

Michigo

Again the fact that they have let him stew in his thoughts and not instructed Thera or Falk to go talk to him is crazy.

Talon88

I can already see Miriad or another God decending near Ben, to finally get an opportunity to talk with him. And yes, i know Miriad doesn't have enough faith-juice to properly decent, but faith juice can be freely traded between gods.

Michigo

Analia used her trial to escape with a sizeable number of mortals, the very same trial could be used again.

Michigo

As much as I agree with pretty much everything Ben is thinking here, it’s kind of hard to ignore the fact that he is very much panicking right now. It’s a very Ben-like panic, but it’s still a panic. All those minds are clearly struggling to suddenly change direction after being set on a single goal for so long, and it’s making him try to ignore as many of the obvious problems as possible.

Sesharan

I hope this plan stops soon it's too unrealistic

Isiah Debarros

But lets face it, if he uses the mage guild like last time, he might be done pretty soon. Maybe he could ask the greys to spam his brain if he makes a deal with them.

Luboš Hemala

I hope this will stop Ben's tunnel vision and hopefully he becomes more open to all sorts of ideas.

Luboš Hemala

Yes Ben! Devour all the knowledge! XD

Luboš Hemala

So the asshole Gods have been inadvertently using the threat of the demons to hold the planet hostage in order to extort its most useful inhabitants (tools) into working for free. And got unreasonably pissed after Ben demanded compensation for his work, despite the fact Ben always dedicated the compensation he received towards saving the world in some way. So now that they tried to extort him too hard his balance of value between saving the world and himself got flipped.

Justchillin

Yes

Corvusamous

He's trying to reason it with pretty f*cked up logic: doesnt matter how sad or destroyed you end up if you're still alive in the end. It's a slippery slope reasoning cause by those standards Ben could kill everyone in the planet, put them in soul crystals and make them new bodies after he escapes to another planet. Just a small compromise and everyone would 'survive' lol

juno

Tbh I think the biggest issue here in convincing Thera or Falk, the dryads, spirits and demidemons shouldnt have a problem with living elsewhere and they dont interact with the rest of the world anyways, the gods already escaped once before so the argument can be made about doing it again. Thera/Falk/people who have grown up in this world and have spent their lives more or less preparing themselves for war... I can see the biggest issue there about the morality of abandoning the rest of the world and I dont see Ben forcing his mind onto Thera to control her or doing something that would hurt betray her or her feelings in that way.

juno

It's especially important to have the support of loved ones when bad things happen and you're feeling down. That is when you need others most.

TheCrazyDuck

To be fair, it's been like 3 hours. It's only a dick move if he does something without talking to her first

Corvusamous

It's sad Ben hasn't thought that Analia would require all the succubi, her children to come with. Aren't they alone in the hundreds of thousands if not millions?

Corvusamous

Metal af. It's going to be hard to kidnap your friends if you won't talk to them though. Not to mention what there would think and IF he could kidnap her. Ben's in a dark place

Corvusamous

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Thando vanika

Ben should really go talk to Thera, they are in a relationship and should talk to each other about things like this.

TheCrazyDuck

Kidnapping gods. Ambitious.

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