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[Mods] Pie Menu Lag Diagnosis + Helpers

With more packs having recently come out, there is a predictable increase in people noticing and asking about pie menu lag.
This post is to help you understand and address that.

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Before you read this post, I remind you of the πŸ”— previous Public Safety Announcement Post about Pie Menu Lag.

I will summarize here a piece from the old post, as an intro:

WHAT CAUSES PIE MENU LAG?

It's not one mod or one pack making things slow, but the combination of all of them you have installed, equated to the performance of your computer.

What YOU can do if you experience Pie Menu Lag:

- be SELECTIVE about what you put in your game, be it mods or packs. Be picky with your mods AND your packs. For an example: Growing Together was a massive resource hog in my game and my computer was weak, so I used to play with it deactivated.

- be REALISTIC about the abilities of your computer. If you play with a weak computer, upgrading is the most effective solution. That said -

  • be REALISTIC about the Sims performance abilities. The Sims is bottle-necked by its foundations ("It's single-thread bottlenecked" as said by ThePancake1). At some point, due to that, even a state-of-the-art gaming computer will notice lag if you the player are not selective about the packs and mods you put in your game.

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That said - I am releasing 3 related features here,
about pie menu lag and diagnosing it:

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1: A utility for mod users to diagnose first-hand their Pie Menu Load & Lag

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2: An independent mod to reduce EA pie menu load WITHOUT removing anything: 'Sim Pie Menu Load Helper: EA'

3: An independent mod to reduce Pie Menu Delay - with a trade-off:

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REMEMBER:
REDUCING YOUR AMOUNT OF GAMEPLAY MODS AND / OR EA PACKS is the MOST EFFECTIVE WAY to reduce your pie menu lag, OTHER THAN UPGRADING your computer if it's weak.

Any other measure is, compared to those, measly at best!

DOWNLOAD & Installation:

1 - remove files from previous versions, if any

2 - REQUIRED: Lumpinou's Toolbox Library-Mod.
If you don't already have it, grab the REQUIRED "Lumpinou's Toolbox" Library-Mod here (alt: here), and put it into your mods folder or one subfolder, NO DEEPER.

3 - grab the .package file(s) you want from this post (link below), and put it into your mods folder or one subfolder.

************ NEED HELP? Check info & links in this post. If they don't answer your question, contact me on Discord, or here.

Find Index of All Mods here.

1 - Pie menu load diagnosis tool is part of Sim Info Manager, πŸ”— here

πŸ”— 2 - Lumpinou_PieMenuLoadHelper_EA.package

πŸ”— 3 - Lumpinou_PieMenuLoadHelper_NoFrontPageSorting.package

[Mods] Pie Menu Lag Diagnosis + Helpers

Comments

Hi, it appears I forgot to list the sim-adult version of this interaction in one place, that is now fixed.

Lumpinou

Hello Lumpinou! I wanted to let you know that number 2 on this list, the EA Pie Menu Load Helper that isn't supposed to remove any interactions, is removing the "Console about Death" interaction from my game. I've done all the tests you recommend--I did the "Check Mod Status" on ModHound (there were no issues), I removed every single mod from my game except for this mod and the required Toolbox, and I tested it in a fresh save by killing off one of the household sims. As soon as I put this mod into the game, the "Console about Death" interaction disappears, and when I remove the mod it comes back. I'm not sure if any other interactions are removed, but this one doesn't work at all--I've tried it with multiple different deaths (household sims, NPC friends/family, acquaintances, spouse, etc.) and it's just entirely gone.

Susie Q.

when is the law and disorder mod gonna be ready

Lacreshia Watford

Sorry I have adhd brain and it's like having a computer that even though it can handle a lot it processes it slow if that makes sense so like reading all this at once I'm like what did I just read but you putting it like that actually makes sense. It's funny I actually never noticed any pie lag with my menu but I felt it wouldn't hurt to have this mod and you did bring up something I wasn't thinking of what actually are my hundreds of mods doing because you're right so many interactions are thrown and some definitely similar to the other. Thank you for clarifying it for my adhd brain lol. I also found stopping stuff in the background and removing crazy characters has helped. Also I found how to remove game packs you no longer want in your game like successfully lol no longer disabling it but even after all I do I know there's more I could so thank you for this :)

plur2hardstyle

Hi, yes you can have both. Nothing alone causes pie menu lag it's a combination of all packs and mods you have installed. The report shows you what mods and game processes gave what interactions to your sim. Not all interactions given to them are actually usable to them at all times. It shows you the ones given, not just the ones currently usable. This helps you see what mods and packs are loading up your sims with interactions. Removing some of those will help your delay. Especially mods that add a lot of social interactions to the general AffordanceLists that you can see in the report. From a technical standpoint, anything in the AffordanceLists is given to all Sims at all times, so in there ideally mods should put only stuff that is available to all Sims at all times or nearly, or stuff that due to other factors can't be placed anywhere else - but should not put hyper contextual interactions in there if possible.

Lumpinou

Sorry a little slow we can use both of these files the no EA one and the No Front page sorting one? Also if we do run a report what else will it tell us besides how long it took or how many interactions we have? Will it tell us if something is an actual problem? I'm confused by what it tell us for us to fix on our own.

plur2hardstyle

Hi, you might have a mod conflict, if you're on the discord can you hop on there, we can then continue troubleshooting

Lumpinou

Hi. What is the name of the generated report when using the Sim Info Manager? I am able to see the notification appear in the game. However, I'm not seeing the file in my mods folder so that I can get the full report.

hotsimmernights

A file log is usual, but no worries we'll explain there https://www.discord.gg/AEAsRvn

Lumpinou

Okies - I can do that! What is it I need to share and wher eto?

Sarah Majer

I'd have to see what you have then, best way is on the discord server

Lumpinou

Yep - or I assume so. I downloaded them via the pinned page. I have toolbox 1.167. Sims info doesn't have a version next to it.

Sarah Majer

Hi, it's really from a culmination of all your packs and mods and the specs of your computer. However, the log CAN help you see what mods add a lot of stuff to the always-available-to-all-Sims social AffordanceLists, the reduction of which can help - though down the line, removing any mod that adds interactions or adds heavy processes is capable of helping Anyways I am glad you were able to better inform on your situation via the report! Thanks for the feedback

Lumpinou

Did you get the latest Toolbox too? And the sim info manager from the newer post not the public one?

Lumpinou

I've downloaded this but no matter what I do, the option to run/ see the report (as in your screenshot with the red circle) doesn't come up in my sim info manager. I've checked I've got up to date versions of everything and it's still not there :(

Sarah Majer

Thank you so much for this!!! I thought I was going crazy trying to figure out where my lag was coming from and I was able to reduce it by nearly 3 whole seconds <3

Ashes

Thank you so much for this, this lag is indeed so annoying. :( I wish EA could do something about it because I'm playing on a quite powerful PC but still experience this issue.

Blair_me

My report items took 12.2166 seconds πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«

Ultraviolet Artiste

Hi, it's really really a culmination of everything, there is not one cause or one mod or one pack doing it but it's an addition of all of it. We modders should try to optimize where possible but in the end it really comes to a matter of as a mod user or player, having sometimes hard choices to make. Being able to objectively compare how the delay is between contexts can empower better clarity in making such choices and that's why I made the tools. But it's ENTIRELY contextual to your overall simulation bloat and your computer. Removing anything - a pack or two, a handful of mods that either add interactions or processes to the simulation - will have effect

Lumpinou

Does someone know some of the known culprit Mods that might be causing lag issues? It will save us doing the 50/50 testing for hours :-)

Nathaneous

Hi, thanks for the kind words! Yes absolutely, once you have a good computer, you will hit the Ts4 limitations of the way it's built still if enough stuff is put in. Upgrading from a crappy computer makes a huge difference in the positive, but if you already have a good computer you're hitting the bottleneck too eventually, just less easily / it takes more cramming packs and mods to reach it

Lumpinou

Hi, I don't remember that conversation, you'd have to link me up in discord -. Logs of test times are not of any use other than to compared relative durations between things, to help modders see if they have some interactions that are test heavy and can be either lightened or just the interaction removed altogether (keeping in mind that sim pickers are longer by nature), they're not really any use one by itself and don't serve to diagnose any problems. I share this info with mod users just for the sake of transparency to the inner workings of interactions and processings

Lumpinou

He! I dont know if you remember me on discord, but im the one who having lag with road to romance and we didnt find the solution. Here the log Test time: 0.002562 seconds, Lumpinou_RtR_SocIntRevealRelationshipProblems - id. 15959980075149859691 - passed: No This is so great, i will clean a lot of things with this!

tipoual

I just subscribed to tell you thank you so much for all you do. I have been using your mods for years. And I also want to say for others, that those problems 100% have something to do with the limitations of sims 4. I literally have 64gb ram, all M.2 SSD's, nvidia 4080 and a really good cpu because video editing is my job and I still have pie menu lag. I literally have my games on its own 2tb m.2 ssd away from all my other files.

SmoothMadnezz

Thanks so much!! For both the detailed information as well as the tools

BDial

Hi, it's really really a culmination of everything, there is not one cause or one mod or one pack doing it but it's an addition of all of it. We modders should try to optimize where possible but in the end it really comes to a matter of as a mod user or player, having sometimes hard choices to make. Being able to objectively compare how the delay is between contexts can empower better clarity in making such choices and that's why I made the tools. I hope it will help! Thanks for the feedback

Lumpinou

Thank you!!! I cant wait to use it !!!! The pie lag menu is a big problem in my game :(

tipoual

This will be a big help to see what it is in my game is causing the pie menu lag - I’ve gotten used to it now so it doesn’t bug me as much as it used to, but this will for sure help with the issue! Thanks again πŸ™πŸΎπŸ€žπŸΎ

EstelleπŸ’«πŸ€

You're a hero, thank you for this.

Abby

I appreciate you so much!! I hope other modders are able to use this to see where things can be optimized, and I’ll def be using it to see what I can remove in the meantime πŸ–€

Yani πŸ–€

Thank you so much for this. My pie menu loads have definitely gotten significantly slower over time. I appreciate anything that might help - even if it's just a little bit.

ChelleBelle716


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