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Grrl Power #1310 - No cybernetic peg-leg for you

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The security spell is still there, it just, uh, soaked into the drywall. 

"Shkran lak" is "thank you" in Arabic. At least according to google translate. Arabic is the first language Dabbler learned/copied/cheated when she got to Earth. She also picked up Kurdish, Turkish, and Neo-Aramaic before learning English. Maxima speaks passable Arabic. Her vocabulary doesn't quite cover discussing an advanced medical condition or talking someone through rebuilding a motor, but can have reasonable non-technical discussions about most topics. The closest she gets to technical topics involve tactics, like discussing the need to post lookouts with a village elder or compliment that elder's wife's dolma or falafel. And yes, getting in good with the elder's wife definitely counts as tactics.  

Dabbler has more or less made this point before in the comic, and while this is a flashback, it's not even the first time she's made this no-super-tech-for-you argument to Maxima, even though their relationship is still quite new. Dabbler doesn't subscribe to any sort of Prime Directive. Her hesitancy is two-fold. One is just as stated on this page. There is a line in cybernetics that once crossed, can lead to amazing and horrible things. In a way, we've started to dip our toes into that pool... or, the line... the surface of that pool is a line when viewed in cross section from the side. Yeah. My dad had a cochlear implant. That is a piece of hardware that directly stimulates nerves. Not nerves in the brain, but in the ear, bypassing the broke stuff. But it's a step. Or a toe-dip. That tech is nearly 40 years old? I mean, commercially. We've also started messing with direct brain implants - at this point, mostly for paralyzed people, but the things we learn from that won't be confined to those in need, especially if there's money to be made from widescale commoditization. 

But here's the thing I think will hang up broad adoption of cyberware entertainment/utility. Would you trust Facebook or Twitter or Playstation/Sony or literally any company to install hardware into your brain? Any publicly traded company is afflicted with institutionalized enshitification. I mean, think about even a minor example, like how Helldivers 2 required a Sony Online Account, making it so players in 118 countries couldn't access/play the game. But some dickhead MBA thought it'd be more useful to force people into some sort of mandatory mailing list/pseudo social network than it would be to sell however many more millions of copies that move excluded them from. Yeah, the community rallied, Sony caved. Fine, whatever. But that's just one super minor example - do you trust Slappy the Idiot MBA when you have shit wired to your brain? Think about how many data breaches Sony has had over the years. 

I would say that no one would allow a megacorp to wire stuff to their nervous system, but humans are just so stupid. Even those of us without ADD have incredibly short memory spans it seems, and are easily distracted by anything that jangles a shiny key-ring in front of us. 

The other reason that Dabbler doesn't want to hand us unheretofore invented technologies is simply because she thinks it's important for a race to have its own heroes. If some alien came down during the 1400's and handed us a textbook with the laws of thermodynamics and a bunch of other goodies in it, would we know the name Newton or Einstein or Curie or Darwin or Hawking? Or would it all be Gorglo, Who Sold Unto Us His Used Science Textbooks so He Could Score Some Space Kush? Humans would think less of ourselves if someone held our hand while we walked up the big-boy steps, and Dabbler won't take that away from us. 

The counter argument to this approach is that while there are some really important scientific, engineering and invention-ing milestones, I think there's a relatively narrow window for those things to happen. Sure, we all know Edison (stole the idea from the actual engineers who) invented the lightbulb, and Jack Kilby and a few others invented the integrated circuit and I'm sure you can name quite a few other notable people, I feel like there's a point at which inventions are a function of corporations or universities with deep funding or research grants. Like, you can google "who invented the accelerometer" but at some point, projects are the results of dozens of people and the white-papers that came before, and it gets really muddy to point credit an individual with some creation. Like, when was the last time you heard about an inventor? I don't mean the guy who zip-tied kitchen knives to a weed whacker in an attempt to make an improved weed wacker, but really just invented a way to more efficiently cut off his own feet. Back in my day (shakes fist at cloud) inventors were something you occasionally heard about. Now it seems if you're an inventor, you probably spend most of your professional life inventing one tiny sliver of a smartphone along hundreds of others and no one will ever know your name. I mean, I guess your family would know your name. Hopefully. I was talking about national renown. 

Well, that's kind of a downer. Anyway, please enjoy the above comic page of enjoyableness! 

Grrl Power #1310 - No cybernetic peg-leg for you

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Thank you sooooo much for keeping your hatred to yourself. You said I was being 'sensitive'. Wow, look at the Great Wall of Text you had to use to prove just how sensitive I was being, while spewing hatred all over everything you can. By the way, I almost exclusively use Write In votes. Will the person I'm voting for win? Of course not, but it lowers the ratio for whomever gets in. Also, if you think Kamala Harris would've made things better, despite utterly failing at that as the Vice President over the past 4 years, then you're just as blind and dumb as you claim I am. Now, I'm going to leave here, never reply to you ever again, and rethink how much I want to keep supporting Dave when it puts me in the company of people like YOU.

Anton Schleef

You Anton, are a fool. And extremely sensitive too. How dare I say something bad about the Greatest Country On Earth (someone needs to explain the criteria for that as in almost every metric the US is pretty low down on the list compared to other developed nations - and it is because the American people let the wealthy fuck them over). Boy, pay attention to international news some time, after the election a great many people are saying bad things about America and the US. Hell, a great many AMERICANS are saying bad things about America and the US. Do you also throw your money away on the lottery despite being extremely poor (in one of the richest nations on Earth, too bad the majority of that money is in the hands of a very small number of people). Did that wound your tender little ego as well? Even hoping for a small payout on the lottery is still a fools errand, you are better off keeping the money you wasted on those tickets, let that accumulate, and use it when you need it. As for worshipping the rich, considering how many Americans literally think Donald Trump is greater than Jesus, how many leap to the defence of Elon Musk no matter what stupid thing he says or does, and how many defended a creep like Epstein despite there being plenty of evidence that he was a rapist, I don't think my assessment of many Americans worshipping the rich is wrong. With that asshole that got gunned down the other day there are many cheering to be sure, but many others are shocked and can't seem to understand why people would be cheering. The first group doesn't worship the rich, this is most certainly true, but that second group most certainly does think the rich are wonderful and - as I said - happily take whatever crumbs the rich let them have. And don't tell me they are lamenting the death of a human being, if he had just been some random guy there would be almost no attention paid, the NYPD would barely make an effort, and few would have cared - certainly not the people defending a scumbag like Brian Thompson. But because he was rich there is a bunch of attention, and the police are pulling out all the stops. No, no, the wealthy in the US aren't treated special at all... Citizens United gave the wealthy undue power over your elections, there are a large number of people who think this is as it should be. There are a great number of people who think the wealthy got there through hard work and intelligence, when the truth is that for the majority it is simple luck, often the luck of birth. And if it wasn't luck, it was by being willing to do things a person with ethics and a conscience wouldn't be willing to do (often both luck and being on the sociopath spectrum). You have been conned by the wealthy, and you - as a nation - don't even realize it. Some do, Bernie Sanders gets it, but he gets dismissed as an evil socialist and not even the Democrats wanted him in power. Your recent election has proven there are a staggering number of stupid people in the US. Some who worship a fool like Donald Trump, and others who would rather a horrible person like Donald Trump become president than an intelligent and capable woman. But no, I neither hate all Americans, nor believe in made up superstitions of magic sky gods, or the wonderfulness of the rich. And while not all Americans are stupid and worship the rich, or at least think they are better than regular people, there is certainly enough. You are just overly sensitive to criticism of your country, when as one of the poor, you should probably be pretty critical of it yourself.

Eric Loken

"Longer Erections!"** 'I'm convinced!' LOL Actually, I would like to see the time where Dab and Max first met and when Dab first showed up on earth.

Mike

Only GabeN would be allowed to implant something into my brain. :D

Michael Strödick

I've known (lots of) postdocs in biochemistry/molecular/cell biology from abroad who talked about their work in English, rather than their first language, because they had learned all the technical terms in English. I suspect the same thing happens in other disciplines; in fact, it may be worse in math or physics, where people seem to mostly talk in equations.

John Anderson

Current humans pretty much invented nothing in this world, the keys already were there. All those old guys did the hard work and we're just coasting along on their work. So not Gorglo, but also not us.

Opus the Poet

Or extra money.

eddi_TBH

Pretty much because humans have made better versions and continue to do so.

eddi_TBH

I wouldn't trust any current corporation or government anywhere near my brain cells. They do enough damage from the outside as it is.

eddi_TBH

But that's my point, a tipping point was reached, with all things there is a point where people refuse to play the game. A "subservience" chip just won't work, even conditioning and torture don't remove a person's ability to say "burn it all" once the threshold is passed. Just look at every slave revolt throughout history. These were people who were conditioned often from birth to obey without question or comment under harsh penalty. Yet they maliciously complied, still disobeyed, and rebelled. The only effective way to enslave a mind is to trick them into thinking they are the ones in control and to do that you can't be seen to be acting against them. This is why capitalism works; we are slaves to money, and we do it willingly because we think we can affect the outcome with effort. However complacence is essential, the second a company does something blatantly against us we turn on them. Helldivers is probably the most recent example, by all rights should have been GOTY, but Sony took a dump on the player base and almost killed the game, the only reason it survived is because the devs stood with the gamers and sony backpaddled so fast they pulled a muscle.

Mathew Aaberg

Ironically, improving the lightbulb is one of the few things Thomas Edison actually did do! It was early enough in his career that he wasn't rich, powerful, or corrupt enough to buy, bribe or steal the work from others, so he genuinely had to (along with credited assistant William Hammer) do the research into filament materials until finally landing on carbonized bamboo fibers as being durable enough to work for long periods of time. Oddly enough, one of the other things Edison actually did invent was the tattoo gun, though that wasn't it's original use. The mechanism was originally created for the mimeograph machine (an early office copier). The mimeograph used a heavy, waxed paper printing plate to make copies of typewritten documents and letters. The typewriter striking the paper would knock the wax off and allow ink to soak through the paper plate from a reservoir behind. Pressing a sheet of regular paper against that plate would transfer the ink over. This way several hundred or even several thousand copies could be made before the plate degraded. Edison's mimeograph pen allowed a person to hand-write a letter on the mimeograph plate instead, making the prints seem more personal. The pen wasn't terribly successful for mimeographs, but it found other uses later on!

Hurley

Edison didn't steal the lightbulb. his labs were woring on sytematically testing differnent filament materials to find one cheap and durable enough for a viable consumer product. Which is essentially the wy that corporate research works, as is standard the intellectual property goes to the employer. It is also the case that he wasn't the first, Joseph Swann had independently found the same filament design a few weeks earlier. It is quite certain that both inventions were independent, as there is copious documentation. Swann ended up with the british patent while Edison ended uo with the US patent. They agreed to a joint buisness venture to exploite thier invention; Ediswann. prehaps surprisingly given Edison's usual business practices it was quite amicable and both men made vast fortunes from their patents.

Brett Dunbar

And how do you know Tesla, Einstein, Newton and Leonardo (to name a few) weren't working from alien textbooks?

ufgrat

If you think all US Citizens worship the rich then you must really enjoy letting the media make all of your decisions for you. Further, there are plenty who play the lottery perfectly aware that they will never win the big prize. They're just hoping to get a mid-range prize that would be enough to help with their problems (even if they will still be working the same job until the day they die) with a little bit of money that even over the course of a year can't make a difference with their financial situation. Now, since you seem to hate all US Citizens so much would you mind keeping your Allah worship to yourself?

Anton Schleef

I had to laugh when the lunatic crowd was claiming that the COVID vaccine was actually putting micro trackers in everyone. Ignoring the problems with the tech, there is still no point. Everyone already has a tracker, that the people paid for, the government/ corporations/ Illuminati/ whatever don't need to implant a damn thing! There is also a cyberpunk game out there where everyone has these brain implants that do everything, you pretty much can't function without them (there have also been a couple movies like that, like Anon with Clive Owen). But these things can be fairly easily hacked, are subject to malware and viruses just like your phone, and generally seem like a huge risk. First time I read that I thought "no way, people wouldn't go for that in their heads", but after awhile I realized, yeah they would. There would be resistance at first, but in time they would become universal (probably a decade or so would be all it would take).

Eric Loken

Anything you come up with while working for a company, if it is in ANY way related to what that company does, is automatically the IP of that company. So not only do you lose that credit if you come up with something as part of your job, but you'll likely lose it even if you come up with it on your own (they'll claim you put work into it on their time with their resources, therefore it is theirs).

Eric Loken

As Stephen said, companies getting the credit is a huge part of this. The story of the guy who invented the twin blade razor at Gillette yet barely got an annual bonus for it may be apocryphal, but it reflects how most inventions are handled these days.

Jeffrey Hirschman

It's like he said in the post script just below the comic "I think Dabbler's second example might have already happened." Not literally in the neural implant, but that so many people are willing taking the crumbs that fall from the tables of the rich and the megacorporations, and thinking that its so great they got this crumb, like it's all they deserve. The US in particular is bad for this. In the US they worship the rich (do I really need to give examples?), they are the new gods. In most other countries I think most people recognize the wealthy as parasites that they can't get rid of, but they don't typically worship them. They also recognize that the odds of becoming wealthy - let alone obscenely wealthy - are so small as to not be worth considering (though there are still many that naively throw money at the lottery hoping that they aren't just flushing money down the drain and will become magically rich despite the simple fact that 99.9+% of them can't or the lottery couldn't be funded, let alone profitable). But in the US so many seem to think they will one day rise to that level - this despite the US having the worst upward social mobility in the developed world - and they act like any restraint on the wealthy will one day limit them, and well they wouldn't want that. And no, I'm not a communist. I don't actually have a problem with personal wealth, I have a problem with *obscene* wealth.

Eric Loken

Ummm....you might not be so happy about bobby down the lane or a random stranger on the internet knowing stuff about you when they steal your identity and destroy your credit rating. I'm not as concerned because I'm so poor that my credit rating is already crap, so the most they could do is help me pay off a portion of my existing mountain of debt or make it blatantly obvious they stole my identity so that it's easier for the FBI to nab them. Either way, they lose.

Anton Schleef

The lootboxes thing only got regulated because it got a massive amount of public out-cry against it, otherwise nothing would've been done. If the public isn't complaining, and another corporation isn't crying the monopoly foul, then the politicians don't care. Especially if the corporations work with the politicians so that they also benefit from it.

Anton Schleef

I think when considering technical discussions as a point of fluency, it's important to remember than most native speakers of a language also lack the vocabulary to engage in particularly technical discussions. I read a lot and have studied Latin, so I can follow a medical discussion better than most, but I am neither a doctor nor a biologist so a lot of the jargon goes over my head unless we're talking about the brain since I studied psychology and my university program emphasized learning about neuroscience as well. I can follow a technical discussion about physics better than engineering or technology, for example, because physics interests me and bridges or smartphones don't, at least not academically. So, like, would Max be able to have an especially technical medical discussion in English? She might do better than in Arabic, but ultimately I expect the doctors would need to find ways to explain things in common terms either way, simply because she hasn't studied medicine.

Jacob Bissey

The issue is the existing methods are escapable, once I have something hardwired into my brain, it will require significant expertise to get it out. Meanwhile the marketing and manipulations can be recognized and ignored, and I still have the freedom to not ignore it when it suits me. Like targeted ads, I use ad blockers whenever I can, but on the occasions where I need to see ads, I'd rather see ads for things I might actually WANT, is that worth Google and Facebook having my information? While on a societal level I would say "no", people's privacy should be valued more highly, but on a personal level I've never really cared who knew what about me, so what's the difference between Google knowing personal information and bobby down the lane or random strangers on the internet knowing stuff about me? At least with Google I get to learn about products that actually appeal to me that I otherwise might never have heard of or encountered.

Jacob Bissey

The rare minority, lol

Michael Obert

While I agree with Dabblers position that corporations would abuse technology Cyberpunk style if they could. I also think that eventuality won't come to pass. Instead you will see a similar arc to lootboxes in video games. One will try get away with it others will jump on the band wagon and someone will abuse it and push it way way too far and the pushback will be so extreme that even corrupt politicians will be forced to regulate it either out of existence or to such narrow parameters that handicapped people will have to jump through hoops.

Mathew Aaberg

You forgot something critical Dave, the corporations that are trying to become Mega Corps have already figured out alternative methods of getting people to willingly enslave themselves, so it wouldn't be so much of a new problem as just an alternate method to an already existing problem.

Anton Schleef

Not by all of us. Some of us don't have a use for longer, harder, better erections because Mary Palmer literally doesn't care if you're a minuteman with a millimeter peter.

Anton Schleef

It isn't actually by law, but by the Articles of Incorporation by which they are created. If someone created a corporation and wrote the AoI correctly then they _couldn't_ be sued for not making the shareholders as filthy rich as possible. The problem is that most corporations are created by people who are already moving up the Greed Train and trying to accelerate their movement to the front, so they explicitly _don't_ want any such language in the AoI.

Anton Schleef

It is her single best trait.

Anton Schleef

That too. And "venture capitalists" appropriate the title of "creator of" since always, Musk woth Tesla is only one of the most recent exanples...

Sarazarus

This is one of the reasons I like Dabbler, TBH...

Hugh Eckert

Also, individuals who work for companies rarely get public credit.

Stephen Gilberg

Yeah. Sure, the neon and the sleek aesthetics are appealing, right up until you realize that not only does life suck for everyone who isn't the 1% of the 1%, *it will never get better again*, the appeal of living there quickly fades.

Rens

Yeah, the usual problem with companies in cyberpunk is that they won't go away. The plot often revolves around an (unsuccessful) attempt to make a company go away. If it isn't unsuccessful, it's not really cyberpunk. Which is an extremely pessimistic genre. It's why I'm not as enamored of cyberpunk as I used to be. There's lots of real stuff that sucks and you can't do anything about it; I don't need to read about imaginary stuff that sucks and you can't do anything about it.

Mark Magagna

You don't hear about inventors nowadays because there are no revolutionary leaps in tech, just slightly better versions of what we already have. And we only heard of ones in the past because a deep, deep inequality between class and gender allowed a tiny portuon of people to devote literally all of their lifetimes to thinking/inventing, instead of, you know, working to earn a living, cooking and cleaning for themselves, and all that "menial stuff" xD

Sarazarus

Cybernetic wooden legs go taptaptaptap when they activate, and not beepbeepbeepbeep like metal/ceramic/plastic based cybernetics. Just sayin'.

Town Crier

Or that all of them are made from proprietary parts, and if that company goes under or just stops making them, you now have an obsolete, unfixable piece of tech linked to your brain. Oh hey, another reason not to trust corporations.

Jonathan V

Capitalism is why we can't have nice things.

Rens

its even worse for medical technology because doctors and researchers will invest in important devices, but then find out it runs proprietary software or needs a copyrighted part for repairs but the manufacturer got bought out and the new owners don't honor the previous product, but will prohibite workarounds.

codesurfer

Speaking of disability implants its already super sketchy because of various issues. Like the cochlear implants help a lot of people, but they are not as perfect as you would believe and you only hear about the issues from the deaf community. Most notably how many deaf children of hearing parents are just automatically given them instead of exploring multiple options that might be better for the individual. so yeah even the most beneficial tech given with the most altruistic motives can be dangerous.

codesurfer

Fiduciary responsibility is a bad thing, with corporations. Where, by law, they have to make as much money for their shareholders as possible. Or the c level can get sued

Steve Ronuken

Oh, no, they totally would. Especially if it's like in Futurama where they could Tweet at the speed of thought (sorry, I mean Twit, lol)

Michael Obert

And given the built-in planned obsolescence that's part and parcel of apple's iProducts these days, people *really damn well should*.

Rens

Given that people have all already been conned into carrying around spying/tracking devices 24/7 (I'm typing this comment out on one, in fact), it's easy to believe that people would jump for the brain implants.

Madcat6204

Companies going out of business leaving behind unsupported hardware... now there's a side of the dystopian cyberpunk future that I don't usually think about.

Madcat6204

She's obeying the noninterference rules of the Federation; there's some merit to that. And, yes, if you tell people something will give them longer, harder, better erections, all other printed side effects are instantly ignored lol.

Michael Obert

I hate how accurate Dabbler is :D

You_With_The_Face

Another problem in the same vein is *tech support*. Look at the ubiquitous prevalence of "IoT devices" in the wild, where every Tom, Dick and Harry made a startup selling cool gadgets you could control via the internet to make your life easier... ... And five years later, more than half those startups have evaporated, leaving behind a few million internet-enabled and no-longer-updated security nightmares ticking down in every home. Think on that, and ask yourself: Do you trust this company to exist for your entire expected lifespan, ready to provide tech support to *the chip wired into your brain* whenever it starts having errors?

Rens


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