Epic The Musical "The Ocean Saga" FULL Reaction!
Added 2025-07-11 14:00:07 +0000 UTCJust when I thought it couldn't get any worse, Poseidon joined the drama.
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I read The Odyssey when i was in high school, and trust me, i was just as shocked and scared as you are when the cyclops was revealed to be Poseidon's "son." A double whammy mistake because 1, pissed off a god, 2, pissed off the god OF THE SEA (and he's sailing home). And to be fair, Aeolus' test in the original story was to see if the crew could be trusted with the storm's power, but given the luck they had opening the storm bag anyways proved "one of the gods has it out for you and your crew and are trying to put you through heck and I want to part in pissing off the gods alongside you. You're on your own."
WreckitRalphFan001
2025-08-23 00:44:00 +0000 UTCI do understand Eury's concern...but notice that he never offers a better solution, only insists that Ody's is wrong. He was ALSO saying during "Storm" that they were taking too much damage to survive. So if they can't go through the storm and obviously can't wait forever for it to pass (especially with limited supplies), what else can they do? Being cautious around the gods is smart, but even if they have a brotherly bond, you don't challenge your captain/general/king in front of everyone like that, especially not without offering an alternative. That said, I don't think Ody's response was the best either, as he should've expressed the feeling of "hey man, I know you're speaking from a place of concern, but you're really riling up the crew and I don't think that's good for anyone right now, can you please not do that in public next time?" while also acknowledging Eury's concerns and offering to at least discuss other ideas. I understand both sides for that specific argument, but I won't deny that Eury frustrates me throughout the musical more than Ody ever does. x_x
fluffqueen91
2025-07-16 18:23:46 +0000 UTC32:59 If you think it's weird it's nothing compare to the rest of Greek mythology. I think the champions in the category "giving birth to creatures from other species" is Typhon and Echidna. They gave birth to hydra, Cerberus, Chimera (and the list goes on and on).
POMMERA Pierre-Emmanuel
2025-07-16 09:03:03 +0000 UTC[Mod] Please do not post allusions for future events, as they count as spoilers.
Spywi
2025-07-16 06:54:12 +0000 UTCIf it can reassure you, I don't think the next Saga has any direct reference to Polities. ^^ The saga after that, however... get ready for the waterworks
Chloe Small
2025-07-15 23:18:19 +0000 UTCKinda hilarious that in small of epic I can literally think of 2 specific moments that literally nothing bad comes from/happens because of ect that happen whilst Ody is not at home, poor guy did not have a good time, and both times it's from the same source (I'm still hilariously miffed at myself for joining one saga too early for one of them...)
Phoenix Mackenzie
2025-07-15 12:45:15 +0000 UTCYeah Ody basically told Poseidon "your son isn't worthy of killing" then *boasted* about it to ensure(without realising) that's he'd find out, also love the line "the line between naiveté and hopefulness is almost invisible" like Ody thinks he's being hopeful but really he's being naive af with his "apology" that's not even entire true (hence Poseidon throwing his own words back at him like "don't think I don't know exactly what you said to my son after being so cruel to him" like Ody, no... Think) also Ody not thinking of how his actions affect poly, like dude you stabbed him in the eye with his own club/spear then fled and proceeded to tell him who just stabbed him and left him to potentially bleed out in agony, now blind, scared and(for what Ody knew) alone... My dude, no🤦
Phoenix Mackenzie
2025-07-15 12:37:02 +0000 UTCYes, and no. There's kind of two different kinds of Cyclops: There's the ones who are the children of Poseidon and Gaia (the literal personification of the earth)(if there is something monstrous, it's very good odds that Gaia is involved somewhere). They didn't really do much, and only show up in the Odyssey. Then there's what are sometimes called the Elder Cyclops, who are the children of Gaia and Ouranos (the personification of the sky). They were master blacksmiths and forged the weapons that the gods used to rebel against their parents (ex. Zeus's lightning bolts, Poseidon's trident).
Thunder
2025-07-15 03:24:17 +0000 UTCSo funny enough, in context of the story and era sparing the cyclops wasn't actually mercy. It was the exact opposite, which is why Poseidon is pissed (Among other things. He's also seriously peeved about the Trojan War since his aid is what essentially won the war but Ody did not give due respect/offering in return, and his rivalry which Athena which makes him on principle hate her protégé). Blinding and disabling the cyclops was actually a far more cruel fate than just outright killing him because the ancient greeks had some **very strong opinions** about disabilities and deformities. There are also some sources that claim that Polyphemus was Poseidon's youngest and favorite child (of the cyclops variety). On the other hand; killing the cyclops would have been seen as justified and far more honorable to do, and while Poseidon would have still been miffed, he would have respected that choice far more because Odysseus did what he needed to for his and his mens survival, and he gave Polyphemus the honor of dying to a warrior. There would have been no retribution. Add in: Odysseus' apology was **not** an apology. It was a justification for why he did what he did (And some good justification) but by no means did he actually, genuinely, apologize or was apologetic for blinding Polyphemus. Which is another good example of Odysseus' pride and hubris coming in to bite him. (The flaw of hubris is a common theme in the poems) It's important to remember that the Greek myths aren't just stories. They were (And still are) an active religion. These are tales of the gods testing their virtues and punishing them as needed. Even here, the gods are still trying to teach Odysseus (Albeit in a very painful way): Ruthlessness is mercy (Athena & Poseidon @ the cyclops, and Zeus @ the baby.) Odysseus killed the baby because he knew that letting him live would cause untold bloodshed in the future in the name of revenge. But he chose to let the Cyclops live, and not only that, but **doxed** himself to the cyclops, and now he's lost a little over 500 men because of it.
Adrian_B
2025-07-15 03:14:45 +0000 UTCDid I join patreon within minutes of seeing your were reacting to Epic? Yes. Yes I did. Slight music nerd note, apologies if you are already aware of this: Jorge wrote Storm in 7/8 time signature to give it the unsettling feel of an actual storm. Nearly all songs are written in 4/4 or some derivative thereof (or sometimes 3/4, like a waltz), so to have something written in 7 throws off that natural sense of rhythm. Keep Your Friends Close: I love the line "So much has changed, but I'm the same, yes I'm the same," because it can be read in so many ways. Is he trying to convince someone he's the same person he's always been? Who? Penelope? His crew? ("Everything's changed since Polites.") Himself? Because can you really go through a decade of war in addition to everything since, and honestly be the same person? Ruthlessness: I terms of musical callbacks, t's not just the callback to Just A Man, either! Poseidon's lines at the end pull from Remember Them: "I am your darkest moment" and "Remember me"
Jas P
2025-07-14 22:43:54 +0000 UTCPretty sure you’re not familiar with Greek mythology, but Poseidon is responsible for creating all the cyclops. They are his children. And if you think this was bad, wait until you get to the thunder arc. Also, fun fact : Jorge the creator of the epic musical, and also the voice of Odysseus, when they were saying luck runs out when the chorus hit everybody was doing the Macarena. Here are the two actors doing it. https://youtube.com/shorts/Z0kb726fFtY?si=hF4GlIT__E-_7ZYf
Meghan Ross
2025-07-13 21:11:53 +0000 UTCAeolus is unambiguously male in the Odyssey and all other ancient sources, but this show makes plenty of bigger plot changes than gender flips. Ancient sources are also unclear about exactly what sort of supernatural being Aeolus is. He's usually described as the "king of the winds" with some ambiguity about whether he's a god or a mortal/demigod favored enough by the gods to be granted power over the winds without being made a god himself. Most modern interpretations make him a full god, but there's considerable debate about what the prevailing view in ancient Greece was. Aeolus's little minion things are an original species created for this show called "winions," not something from Greek mythology. It could be argued that they're this show's interpretation of the Anemoi, the various minor wind gods and spirits who serve Aeolus (in ancient sources, they're variously portrayed as bodyless gusts of wind, winged men, or horses), but most fans of Epic treat them as a separate thing. In the context of Epic, the Lotus Eaters are usually portrayed as also being winions, while in the source material, they're just ordinary humans. Aeolus and Poseidon are frequently opposed in Greek mythology. Their domains both include storms, so they get into disputes over who has supremacy in a particular case- for example, in the Aeneid, when Aeneas and the other survivors of Troy fled across the Mediterranean, Aeolus sent a storm to sink them at Hera's request, since she'd sided with the Achaeans during the war, but Poseidon, who sided with the Trojans and was angered by Aeolus intruding on his territory at sea, calmed the seas and brought the Trojans safely to Italy, where their descendants eventually became the Romans. With Greek mythology, as in all mythologies, it's important to keep in mind that these were religions, not just regular fictional stories. Stories of the gods fucking with mortals were told both to show the gods testing mortals, with the most virtuous acting in accordance with the gods' wishes and being rewarded for it while the wicked defied the gods and were punished accordingly, and to provide an explanation for random tragedies outside of human control. Crop failure? Make the right sacrifices to Demeter, and maybe she'll help you out. City hit by the plague? Clearly you've angered Apollo and need to properly honor him to make it stop. You died in a shipwreck? Well, you shouldn't have blasphemed against Poseidon. It's no different from modern Christians saying whatever personal or societal tragedies they/you are experiencing are sent from God either as tests of one's virtue or punishments for defying him. The Greeks just had more gods, with different ones to blame for different types of disasters. At this point, Odysseus has been gone for somewhere between 10 and 12 years. The Trojan War lasted 10 years (some sources suggest it was actually 18 years, as there was a period of eight years while the Achaeans gathered their forces and sailed to Troy before direct combat started, but most scholars believe the 10-year figure includes those eight years. Homer pretty definitively says it was a total of ten years from Odysseus leaving home to the final sack of Troy), and while it's not entirely clear how much time has passed since leaving Troy, later events of the story mean it's definitely not more than two years by this point. Telemachus was an infant when Odysseus left. The giants Aeolus mentions are the Laestrygonians. They don't really play much of a role in Epic- when the Ocean Saga was first released, the lyrics identified the chorus in Ruthlessness as the Laestrygonians, but that's about it. Most animatics don't include them at all. However, in the original, they were the ones who destroyed the fleet, and Odysseus never directly met Poseidon. Ancient sources generally identify their home as Sicily- very far off course indeed for a trip from Turkey to Greece. Even before Polyphemus, Poseidon was mad at Odysseus. Poseidon had a long-standing rivalry with Athena for several things, most famously their contest for patronage of the city of Athens (each god offered the newly founded city a gift to win the city over. Depending on the source, Poseidon offered either a saltwater spring, giving the city access to the sea for trade and warfare, but with undrinkable water, or a horse, which was of limited use on its own- the Greeks primarily used horses as draft animals to pull carts and chariots rather than riding them directly. Athena created the olive tree, providing a source of food, wood, and fuel, so the Athenians picked her), so he was already at odds with her for backing the Achaeans- she had already been acting as a mentor to Odysseus, and she generally sided with the Achaeans because of the Judgement of Paris (it's a long complicated story, but basically, Paris, the prince of Troy, was asked to mediate a dispute between Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite, and he chose Aphrodite, angering Hera and Athena and driving them to back the Achaeans). He also had a direct reason to back the Trojans, as they were devotees of Poseidon, and he took issue with the Trojan Horse for exploiting their worship of him. Poseidon's domains included horses (that's why there's all the water horses in Ruthlessness), and the Trojan Horse was supposedly created as an offering to Poseidon by the retreating Achaeans for his favor on their journey home. The Trojans weren't about to destroy something dedicated to Poseidon, and they believed THEY could gain his favor by bringing the horse into their city. Instead, the horse snuck a strike team into the city to open the gates to let in the main Achaean force, who turned around and returned to Troy under the cover of night. Odysseus was the one who came up with the strategy, so he was the primary target of Poseidon's ire. The gods have all sorts of weird children (note that most ancient Greeks didn't believe the gods had nearly as many kids as we today say they did because different regions had different versions of the mythology. Every poet who wanted their hero character to be more impressive would make them a demigod, and plenty of cities disagreed about which gods had which kids- for example, Eris, goddess of chaos and strife who started the Trojan War, is described in the Trojan epics as being a child of Zeus and Hera, but in most other sources, she's the child of Nyx, primordial goddess of night, with no father). The cyclopes aren't even Poseidon's weirdest kids- some of his other notable progeny include Triton, a merman, Pegasus, a winged horse, and Charybdis, a sea monster that sucks in water to create massive whirlpools, then expels it in equally massive waves. To the ancient Greeks, maiming someone was considered worse than killing them. Part of this was because the Greeks were big on the idea of physical perfection as a sign of godliness (they kept this idea long after Hellenic religion was supplanted by Christianity- 2000 years after the Odyssey was written, the Byzantine emperors were still castrating and blinding their political opponents because physical perfection was a requirement to be the emperor and they'd have a tough time getting popular support if they had bits missing), but considering the state of medicine and society at the time, they had a point. Someone who got blinded in ancient Greece would live a pretty unpleasant life from that point on. For that matter, considering how common infections were before the discovery of antibiotics, there was a good chance a non-fatal wound would still result in a fatal infection, and with it a much more painful and drawn-out death than even bleeding out, never mind faster ways to kill someone like decapitation. Directly killing an enemy was more merciful than maiming them, and as such was considered more honorable for both parties. Since Odysseus never actually met Poseidon in the source material, the apology doesn't have a basis to compare to. Here, though, it's worth noting that Odysseus doesn't actually apologize, but offers a justification for his actions. Whether Poseidon would have spared them for a genuine apology or if he always intended to kill them no matter what is a matter of considerable debate among Epic fans (in particular, is the bit about "the line between naivete and hopefulness is almost invisible" Poseidon telling Odysseus he was naive for believing Poseidon would spare him, or Poseidon telling himself he was naive for hoping for a real apology?), but Odysseus didn't really apologize. Like with Polyphemus in the the first place, Odysseus attempts to weasel his way out of complying with Poseidon and succumbs to hubris. He believes he was in the right, so he's not going to apologize for wrongdoing that he thinks was justified, even though there's a very angry god fully prepared to smite him for not doing that. By Greek standards, the Odyssey is a HAPPY story. Greek tragedies are a whole thing. It can always get worst, and most of the time, it will.
Production_Run
2025-07-13 05:45:38 +0000 UTCThis is when it sucks to be early! Of course I join a saga too early for one of my absolute fame songs 😭/lh
Phoenix Mackenzie
2025-07-12 19:29:38 +0000 UTCFr, some of the auto gen ones are hilariously bad like omfg...
Phoenix Mackenzie
2025-07-12 19:29:00 +0000 UTCKilled or just not given him his(Ody's) name!🤦 Like do one not both buddy🤦
Phoenix Mackenzie
2025-07-12 19:25:19 +0000 UTCHey, I know must get sick of people telling you what to do, but I think it may be a good idea to check if the video has actual subtitles and NOT "auto-generated" ones. If the video doesn't have them, it's a good idea to keep them off and look at the lyrics on Spotify.
Chloe Small
2025-07-12 18:43:18 +0000 UTCHi! Somewhat expert on Greek mythology and the ancient practices here! Just subbed, loving your reactions so far! So for clarification, the ancient Greeks viewed physical disabilities as fates worse than death. Add in the lack of medical practices, it’s not hard to see sparing Polyphemus as something worse than anything else. Poseidon is pointing out that had Odysseus killed Polyphemus, he could avoid punishment as it would have been seen as a mercy kill
EDHPlayer
2025-07-12 13:42:34 +0000 UTCIt’s worse when it turns out Ithaca was in sight right before the bag was opened, so not only we’re they literally in sight of home, now even farther away then when they started, but now all but 43 men of 600 men are left and Poseidon is now hunting them down. Yeah huge blow
Alexis Cardillo
2025-07-11 19:33:02 +0000 UTCIt might help to think of the gods as forces of nature and aspects of humans. They're not omniscient all knowing Gods. And it's going to get more fucked up.
Jessica V
2025-07-11 18:54:03 +0000 UTCAlso as far as the Cyclops situation, I’d look up what’s known as the Xenia law of Ancient Greece 👀
Siri2319
2025-07-11 18:46:40 +0000 UTCI’m loving these reactions!! Jorge’s take on the Odyssey is interesting and I love it but I’d also highly recommend looking into Homers version or watching a summary of Greek mythology and story histories to gain a different perspective of the gods, not all of them are completely horrible I swear! 😅❤️
Siri2319
2025-07-11 18:39:38 +0000 UTCRuthlessness has got to be one of my favourite songs but you are heading to my top in the next Saga. I imagine first may go to YouTube soon - may I suggest neon lights, a note and start and in the middle to advise people no you cannot play the full song unedited, or else I feel you may get quite a lot of those comments.
tapdisneyintome
2025-07-11 17:27:34 +0000 UTCHey, out of the big three, two of them acual TRY to be fathers to their sons. With Poseidon at least tring to be there for Percy... More or less. And Hades, tho by VERY unconvertional mean, but still tries to support Nico... And he needs it, poor boy is a little bundle of sadness and TRAUMA. His dad is the only family* he has... ... Yes he has a more than amazing boyfriend- Sorry ,,Significant Annoyence" (Because he doesn't say the ,,B word", because it would - and I quote - ,,Completely demolish his reputation in the Underworld", but like come we all know how he feels for Will... INCLUDING Will) 🖤☠️💛, but like you know how I mean. P.S. We are not gonna talk about Zeus, he is a horrible dad (be it to his God kids - Mainly Mr.D and Apollo - or his half-blood kids --> To be fair it was on him with what he did - or tried to do - behind Hera's/Juno's back)
LikeCat
2025-07-11 16:51:21 +0000 UTCI believe that in Greek mythology, it was more honorable to die in combat rather than be spared and left injured. Add the fact that disability was a death sentence back then, that just means that Odysseus robbed the cyclops of his honorable death. Additionally, he snitched to his dad, Poseidon, who now needs to finish off the man who blinded him. However, I believe their relationship is more distant, sorta like PJ with nonexistent fathers. See it like an obligation mostly.
Elijah Mishmash
2025-07-11 16:40:37 +0000 UTCI will definitely give this a try! My lips are still messed up and I'm willing to try anything at this point. Thank you so much for this info!
Morgan Reacts
2025-07-11 16:21:04 +0000 UTCI know you won't see these comments until after Saga 2, but Morgan (or anyone reading this), if you have a problem with splitting, dry or flaky lips, I highly recommend a lip sleeping pack/mask. They're super hydrating and heal damage from splitting, picking and biting pretty much overnight. They feel and shine like vaseline, but do a MUCH better job because they're designed to hydrate and repair while vaseline just locks in moisture.
Sarah H
2025-07-11 15:58:43 +0000 UTCMe (watching this Saga): Yeah, right. Poseidon is an a-hole in mythology... My PJO hyperfixation is getting in the way sorry... Also side-note: I had ,,Son of Poseidon" going on loop in my head when I watched it.
LikeCat
2025-07-11 15:27:43 +0000 UTCFor starters, Poseidon is an asshole on the myths, in the Odyssey he isn't better. He has way too many sons and daughters and he only cared for them for his pride, it's like his brother Zeus in that regard. Also, in Ancient Greece you never reveal your name, your place of origen and the name of your father to an enemy because those were the three things the Furies, goddessess of curses and retribution asked to carry vengeance. Him telling to the Cyclops was showing some balls but was the thing that condemned him also to have Poseidon pissy. Also, the destructions of the ships and him having to run like a bitch could been avoided if he apologized with Poseidon... I said it, he doesn't care for his children, he just wanted his ego satiated but Ody decided to just justify himself instead of properly apologize to the god. Aside from that, that animation and that design for Poseidon is my favorite, I love that animatic... And the guy they chose to voice Poseidon. He's Steven Rodriguez and I'm a huge fan of him, his voice is like caramel. He's a composer also and has his own songs, my favorite is 'The Devil wears lace' (I associate that song with Radioapple but that's a conversation for another time XD) but he has some very nice songs.
Vengerin
2025-07-11 15:02:11 +0000 UTC33:03 He is indeed into some freaky shit, but to be fair, most of the Greek pantheon was. (Especially Zeus and Poseidon) Polyphemus is the son of poisedon and the ocean nymph, Thoosa.
SourCoon
2025-07-11 14:49:54 +0000 UTCFinally, we're at 1 of my favorite sagas. The Ocean Saga. My favorite song here is "Keep your friends close." It's fun sounding, but with a darker undertone😈🤩 32:10. THAT'S RIGHT!!! The Cyclops was coming back... only it wasn't him... it was PODEIDON!!! GREEK GOD OF THE OCEANS!!!! 39:02, "Is this when he becomes the monster?" Umm, not quite yet. How far ahead are you? Which saga are you on right now? Circe, Underworld, Thunder, or further down the line? 42:00. Well, spoiler, you're gonna meet 2-3 more Gods (I'm only counting those Ody will encounter/meet) in this Epic adventure. 1 of them is a little mischievous, but still fun. At least to me😅🤣 Last edit: My thoughts are, your reaction to these lyrics... you were so real for them! And totally valid!! Especially in "Keep your friends close" and "Ruthlessness" (great villain song IMO). I'm super looking forward to seeing your reaction to the Circe Saga (which is the next one, btw😊) and it's a huge favorite of mine. Especially the songs "Wouldn't you like" and "There are other ways". See ya✌🏼😜
Julie Moum
2025-07-11 14:40:26 +0000 UTCPoseidon is the main villain of the Odessy! The next saga is amazing and GIgi animated 2 of the best songs of that saga beautifully! Also Aolis (Wind god) could only help by making it a game due to his godly nature and the fact that the storm stoping Odyseus from getting home was created by Poseidon, also Odyseus never apologized for what he did to the Cyclops he made excuses as to why he did what he did. There was no apology in what he said
SharkMessiah101
2025-07-11 14:15:45 +0000 UTCJust opened Patreon to see if you had posted it. Yay! perfect timing :D
Theki
2025-07-11 14:02:11 +0000 UTC
