RED DWARF | Timewave | Series 12 Ep 3 | Get Dwarfed
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Yeah....this episode single-handedly brings down Series 12 for me. If you listen to the behind-the-scenes doc, Doug said he wrote the episode because he tends to be cynical and overly critical, and it got him thinking about what would happen if he wasn't allowed to indulge in that, which led to the idea of how neither extreme is entirely healthy. Unfortunately, it doesn't come across that way given the undercurrents of both U.S. and U.K. society at this point in time. I think his point would have been better articulated if there was a lot less crammed into the episode. Remove the Helium planet at the beginning, shorten that scene in the diner, maybe take advantage of the scifi setting and have Rimmer's inner critic somehow splitting off from Rimmer and being the "big bad" of the episode causing havoc. Honestly, like Krytie TV, this is one of those scripts that needed another re-write or three, along with some heavy editing before it was let loose on the cast and in front of the camera.
Lizbeth Marcs
2025-01-01 01:42:22 +0000 UTCJohnny Vegas is very funny & apart from his stand up I'd actually suggest The Rubbish Life of David Spud. Its a cartoon for CITV (childrens itv) which you can watch on the ITV app (vpn). It's brilliant, sorta based on his childhood, sorta, in Grimsby. It also has a great voice cast including Jane Horrocks from Little Voice & Ab Fab. https://www.itv.com/watch/the-rubbish-world-of-dave-spud/2a6321
Hell3Quin
2024-12-28 14:53:05 +0000 UTCI didn't like this ep the first time but I don't hate it now. The cell scene is good & Johnny Vegas is always worth it. Plus Rimmer has Barbarella moment IYKYK
Hell3Quin
2024-12-28 14:44:51 +0000 UTCWhat's the Californian insider perspective? Is the hypocrisy and hysteria coming out of the Californian universities since the time of this episode as bad as our media tells us it is? Is there a culture of "Your opinion offends me therefore you behaviour needs to change to accommodate me and people like me"? Does the inverted tolerance affect day to day life there, or are we in the rest of the World just constantly fed examples of the most ludicrous "progressive" individuals who get upset when faced with an an opinion that challenges the utopian mantras?
TuneIntoSanityFM
2024-12-20 23:05:19 +0000 UTCIt is dreadful but Chris Barrie, trooper that he is almost makes it work (in fact Barrie is generally terrific in this episode even if some of the lines he has to say aren't great.)
Ross Nolan
2024-12-19 16:10:52 +0000 UTC"Kryten shut up" and "tutting" are classic gags, and I like Rimmer's inner critic in general, but otherwise... yeah, it's not a good one. I'm still not entirely sure what Doug was going for with the underlying message, as while the idea that neither extreme works is fair, it ultimately reads a bit like... being camp and flamboyant and expressing yourself honestly is 'bad', which really doesn't sit right with me at all (although I'm sure Chris Barrie loved that part). Coupled with Cat's "droopy-ass titties" line which is just deeply unpleasant, the weird focus on the helium 7 that goes nowhere and "spit on her wrist" being terrible even for a first-draft gag, it's definitely a real low point.
Absent With Concept
2024-12-19 15:59:33 +0000 UTCCan't all be winners but more great episodes are to come.
Sebastian Bodine
2024-12-19 05:25:54 +0000 UTCThe spit on her wrist joke is just awful.
Troy Convers
2024-12-19 03:00:17 +0000 UTCthis episode is, according to the Coral Canvass (conducted last year - see https://www.ganymede.tv/2023/02/the-coral-canvass-results/) the least highly regarded episode of the show, displacing Pete Part 2 (from 2018’s vote.) It’s been really interesting watching your reactions to even the episodes that are weaker, as often you do highlight what does work. I don’t think this episode is due a critical reevaluation but it’s good to know that even at its weakest the show can, on some fundamental level, make people laugh
Abigail
2024-12-19 02:12:56 +0000 UTCPerhaps not the funniest episode, but this is Red Dwarf unusually making a point about an issue that was topical at the time. This was a critique of the start of the "culture war" that we're so familiar with now, we just take it for granted. What was changing was that the "liberal" people were suddenly becoming the intolerant ones. The people who insisted on diversity were the ones being hostile to any view besides their own, and the hypocrisy of saying those that didn't conform to their personal sensitivities weren't tolerant enough. We're still told we're under the heel of cancel culture, where people who cause others offense are taken out of the mainstream. This episode stands with the side that says the freedom to offend is crucial unless we want something more Orwellian .
TuneIntoSanityFM
2024-12-19 02:07:46 +0000 UTCBut, as with most things, proper moderation is key. So ironically, exercise judgememt in not being too judgemental.
Nolan
2024-12-19 00:40:41 +0000 UTCFrankly, I thought this was a decent showing of toxic positivity vs cynical criticism. "No" whether it's coming from yourself or from someone else is a really important thing, and properly knowing how to handle both saying and responding to that is a skill that hardly anyone works on. It gets to the root of self-esteem versus ability, self-doubt and success, achievement vs drive. Say "no" more often, be it to a really stupid impulse you might have, or someone's pursuits that need more attention.
Nolan
2024-12-19 00:37:17 +0000 UTCA review of Timewave from the website, Anorak Zone: "Ranking a series like Red Dwarf is difficult as all comedy is, of course, subjective. However, there's every reason to believe that this episode was written purely so Sex Lives of the Potato Men was no longer the unfunniest comedy that Johnny Vegas has appeared in. Featuring a society where criticism is illegal, a potentially interesting concept is stretched to its most unbelievable ends. Red Dwarf used to have its roots in something tangible, where the jokes were led by real emotions. Here the entire crew are caricatures delivering call backs to old jokes that only 20% of the audience will understand, along with repetitive set ups where the punchline is long in sight even before the feed is complete. The most notable element of a chronically unamusing instalment is Rimmer referencing Operation Yewtree... a joke that would presumably have been pruned if the series was still being made by the BBC. The obvious strain of writing 12 episodes in the same block does show, sadly - Rimmer's line about "spit on her wrist" is a serious contender for Red Dwarf's worst-ever joke; Timewave is almost certainly its worst-ever episode. " I agree with every word above.
Michelle Lyons
2024-12-18 23:40:48 +0000 UTCI like this episode. Not the best but like it.
Robert Carson
2024-12-18 23:27:19 +0000 UTCThe next episode is straight outta the S1/S2 playbook!
Troy Convers
2024-12-18 22:04:49 +0000 UTCThe set report makes interesting reading. ‘There was a little VI reference that made my heart sing’ referring to ‘Kryten shut up’. This episode didn’t work out the best but the next three more than make up for it.
pbaker
2024-12-18 20:45:14 +0000 UTChttps://www.ganymede.tv/2016/02/red-dwarf-xii-episode-2-set-report/
pbaker
2024-12-18 20:43:27 +0000 UTCI wonder if Chris Barrie hurt his back single handedly carrying this episode. Even he couldn't make it 'good' but at least the Rimmer scenes at the end upgraded it to 'watchable'.
Ross Nolan
2024-12-18 20:21:46 +0000 UTCI.... don't quite know what to make of this episode. I could just say that it's the drizzling shits, but that honour belongs to 'Krytie TV', so I'll go into more detail. It starts out on a decent premise (the Timewave), takes a sharp left turn into a TOS S3 episode (Herbert!) but with half baked writing. It then tries to make some cackhanded, over obvious observations on modern societal norms on toxic criticism but fails. Incidentally, The Orville did the idea of a society where negative behaviour has consequences much better, in an episode spookily first shown on TV on the same day. Weird. But thankfully the ending is saved by Rimmer's Frankensteinian (no pun intended) inner critic, which is Barrie at his best. Oh well, we do get the brilliant Johnny Vegas, a national treasure here in the UK; yes, his character idea is half-arsed but Mr Vegas still manages to make chicken soup from chickenshit. And SpaceCorp Directive callback, Yay! But it's episodes like this that start making you think that it wouldn't be such a bad idea if Red Dwarf was quietly put out of its misery. Is that enough criticism? Why am I in this cell? HELP!
Troy Convers
2024-12-18 20:16:41 +0000 UTCI said I'd be back guys...not amazing episode, but still has it's moments
Frank Murphy
2024-12-18 19:45:10 +0000 UTCThanks for reminding me how gross American food is. 😅
Troy Convers
2024-12-18 19:44:46 +0000 UTCThis may very well be the weakest episode of the entire show, but I did at least get a laugh out of Rimmer's Space Corps directive gag.
David Bishop
2024-12-18 19:11:58 +0000 UTCBy far the worst episode. Thankfully followed by three absolute classics.
James Cluskey
2024-12-18 18:37:26 +0000 UTC
