BATTLESTAR GALACTICA | The Captain's Hand | Season 2 Ep 17 | REACTION
Added 2024-08-27 17:00:07 +0000 UTCWhy can't the Pegasus crew get their SHIT TOGETHER.
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Comments
There's a lot to like about this episode. I do wish whatsisname didn't die and simply abdicated command because he realized he belonged in engineering rather than on the bridge. I get what they were going for with the abortion storyline, but I couldn't totally buy into Roslin's dilemma because to me, a much more obvious route was to offer incentives for carrying babies to term rather than banning abortions. Of course that would lead to people getting pregnant to get some of that government cheese, but that's just another opportunity for stories about the welfare state etc. without Roslin having to compromise her beliefs.
Ben Chan
2024-09-08 23:26:16 +0000 UTCI am not quite sure why you bring it up here, on patreon, where you can get the full reaction. I mean, I also felt their youtube Who edits were missing a lot of stuff (Kat even mentioned once that they had to be like that because youtube kept blocking their videos), but signing up here solved the problem for me.
tal goren
2024-08-31 12:42:06 +0000 UTCI don't feel like this qualifies as a "sidetrack" episode, since it had multiple significant advancements of the main plot. Whereas, say Black Market had quite a lot less. When I complain about "sidetracks" it's because the main story is standing still AND we're also getting a bunch of new stuff that came out of nowhere and is only there for 1 episode. Anyway, pretty sure I like this one more than Black Market or Sacrifice.
Locoturbo
2024-08-29 20:03:07 +0000 UTCShe did look a little bit like Aubrey Plaza. Then again I'm always thinking about Aubrey Plaza. Lol
Travis Boyle
2024-08-28 23:39:46 +0000 UTCI don't get the dislike for this episode - I thought it was handled well. Roslin obviously doesn't WANT to ban abortion, but she's been obsessing over that number on her board ever since the attack. Has it even gone up once, apart from finding the Pegasus? Would anyone WANT to have a child when their own lives are so unbearably awful? And of course there's the cynical tie-in to the real world. How much of her decision is due to what she believes is right, and how much does she just not want to lose the religious vote? Even if it's not the main reason, it's gotta be influencing her decision. On a lighter note, another great episode for Lee's actor. His reaction when he realises he's in command of a whole battlestar is so well done.
Jonathan
2024-08-28 10:19:06 +0000 UTCWhile I was pretty down on the episode itself I did want to say I enjoyed the reaction. I especially laughed when Kat mentioned Rhya looked like Olivia Colman since at the time this episode was made in 2006 she was a regular on the very dark British sitcom 'Peep Show' and only the other day I was watching a 'Every Doctor from Doctor Who described by Peep Show' video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x16kuh7bLw The same uploader also made 'Every Doctor Who Episode (2005-2024) Described by Peep Show': https://youtu.be/pH9W0cXyiWo?si=H6svNjl_rPRGKQ-f
Ross Nolan
2024-08-28 09:47:13 +0000 UTCShucks, forgot the quotation marks.
Troy Convers
2024-08-28 07:14:57 +0000 UTCBetter than I remember episode, great reaction. You guys keep doing that thing where you somehow make me re-appreciate episodes I previously didn't enjoy. My major complaint in this episode isn't whether the abortion switch is the right move, it's the timing. Okay, so we need to ban abortion to spike the population to prevent eventual extinction, but is now really the time? The fleet has limited space and resources and personnel, wouldn't a lower pop be better right now? Shouldn't we wait until we get to a new planet/earth to repopulate? No-one really thinks we can survive out in space for 18 years anyway right? As long as have >5000 or so people when we switch to growth mode it all works out the same doesn't it? Still, that doesn't make for interesting TV I suppose. I think the show did a good enough job of making it a relevant issue to the situation, and Roslin's actress did a good job presenting the internal drama. I would have thought Adama would have had a greater struggle with it, though. He almost seemed to have no opinion on the matter beyond the practical/political. I also would have liked to see female crew opinions to the matter/decision. Cally, Starbuck, etc. I wonder what Cain would have thought.
JXTN
2024-08-28 05:22:01 +0000 UTCTotally fair 👍👍👍🙏🙏 just sharing my thoughts too i guess :) thank you
Derek Orr
2024-08-28 05:02:51 +0000 UTCYup and other pegasus crew we see in the show are rapists, murders etc (trying to avoid spoilers) we never see any decent people from Pegasus…with one notable exception
Derek Orr
2024-08-28 05:01:40 +0000 UTCFisk was a black-market sellout, a piece of garbage unworthy of the uniform. Garner was a martinet who tried to micro-manage the ship like it was some balky piece of machinery.
Troy Convers
2024-08-27 23:39:01 +0000 UTCYeah, there's too many elements going on for 45 minutes; we really didn't need the Dee and Kara scenes in this ep; they could have been left for a later one.
Troy Convers
2024-08-27 23:33:14 +0000 UTCNo likes for you Derek. Join the club! 😂
Troy Convers
2024-08-27 23:29:27 +0000 UTCNot really sure how to respond here cause there's not much we can do about how we reacted in the moment and what caught our attention the most during the episode. Some parts that others may feel were the best part, maybe didn't hit as hard for us with the other things that were going on. You know? - Kat
Time Lord
2024-08-27 23:10:08 +0000 UTCI think in theory the idea is a good one, albeit on an extremely sensitive topic. However this episode simply failed on multiple levels. The first problem before we even get to the philosophical issues is that it plays merry hell with continuity and characterization. Remember it was only a few episodes ago that Laura Roslin ordered the forced abortion of Sharon's pregnancy. Yes Roslin does not see a Cylon as a person or as a woman but you'd think Ms "I've always fought for a woman's right to choose" would have something to say then and there - and that other characters might bring it up here (what on Caprica do Helo and Sharon make of all this?) We also know that Roslin has consistently relied on religious conservative support during her presidency. Did she never consider something like this would not come up? What all this means is - *regardless* of the viewers feelings on abortion - Roslin looks bad, at best foolish and at worst outright hypocritical. The second more substantial problem is that for an episode that might approach an extremely delicate subject like abortion with nuance and maturity it fumbles the ball hard. Roslin goes directly from presumably a very liberal abortion law straight to "no exceptions" in three scenes or so. That's a zero to one hundred leap and as much as we regard Pro-Life and Pro-Choice as two monolithic blocs in reality there is a spectrum of restrictions/lack of restrictions. There was a lot of room there for thinking and talking things through, trying to see if any sort of negotiation or compromise is possible, but unfortunately I get the impression the show was unwilling or unable to get into those nuanced areas. For a series that usually delight in nuance and grey areas and hard choices this episode seemed downright allergic about having differing viewpoints talk with each other (as opposed to talking at each other.) Instead we have Adama's curiously emotionally detached arguments, Roslin's flip-flop, a one-note priestess and Gauis's opportunism. It's strange. I lean fairly Pro-Life (though not to Roslin's "no exceptions" new law) but the most likable character for me by far in this whole mess was Doctor Cottle. I don't agree with his views but he was earnestly trying to do what he saw as the right thing and stubbornly sticking up for his convictions. In short he felt more like a real character than anyone else this week in the abortion storyline.
Ross Nolan
2024-08-27 23:09:35 +0000 UTCWell no, the crew are doing that to themselves by being a crew of a swindling black market dealer and then an engineer who is more than just a poor leader of people…he outright fuels the Pegasus/Galactica divide and hostility with his orders and actions.
Derek Orr
2024-08-27 22:34:26 +0000 UTCAll those points you made about how it ends up highlighting things from multiple viewpoints and wrestles with those issues and the reality of a post apocalyptic society…thats exactly what makes it an excellent episode. Its ok that its not clean and leaves people feeling upset about the important issues it raises. That’s excellent Television
Derek Orr
2024-08-27 22:30:13 +0000 UTCRespectfully, the first 1/4 of the video was mostly non BSG intro banter …and the last 1/4 of the video was wrap up post episode comments. Leaving only a paltry 15 minutes of actual reacting to a 45 minute episode:(…and therefore it cut out all the best bits with the Pegasus firing her main guns for the first time and under command of Lee, and seeing Starbuck in the cockpit in battle leading the Pegasus pilots….basically the big payoff moments from seeing Garner screw up and harass starbuck and Lee.
Derek Orr
2024-08-27 22:25:39 +0000 UTCI don't mind "filler" episodes in most thing (Apart from anime where it can go on seemingly endlessly) and in fact I tend to quite like it. It's usually where we get to know characters a bit better. If anything it's something I REALLY miss from the modern Star Trek shows. There are no episodes like "Data's Day" because they only have 10-12 episodes a season, so they don't have time. But that's the compromise that modern shows have so they can up their production values per episode I guess. I just dream of a 20+ episode season of a show again. I always liked the Pegasus episodes. The new shiny ship is always fun to play with. But yeah Garner was a poor Commander, even if he made the supreme sacrifice for his crew at the end.
Chris Devlin
2024-08-27 21:43:58 +0000 UTCHuh, saw my regular comment posted as a reply to yours for some reason? Don't think I mis-clicked anything, but either way, sorry about that. Deleted and reposted properly, I hope.
Nolan
2024-08-27 20:36:38 +0000 UTCRoslin's whole arc this season has been about the number on her wall, ensuring the survival of the species. It's driven so many of her actions, and we've seen how her drive for that has put her in the position of doing things she's not comfortable with, until we get to this episode and suddenly 2 of her foundational principles come into conflict, and she feels forced to choose. I'm 95% sure Roslin made exceptions for medical reasons - there's no way the fleet is gonna be THAT backwards and dumb, right? Plus, I surely don't think she meant this as a permenant standing law, just until they find a place to live and aren't in space where 1000's can potentially die in a heartbeat. And I HAVE to believe one of the first things she does is get a system in place to care for unwanted pregancies. Surely in a population of less than 50,000, it's easier to find out who wants to be parents but can't, versus those that are about to be and don't? I have to hope there's more behind the scenes thinking on this. But, it does also highlight the political BSery of candidates to just appropriate an issue to further their goals. Like Giaus REALLY gives a frak about abortion, he just knows he can use it to further his character in the eyes of the fleet. "Oh, yes, I DO understand what a terribly awful decision that was, vote me and I'll make it better, I promise." Get outta here. Also Pegasus, Home Alone dad, Lee in Command. That scene with Lee and Dualla was whiplash inducing when I first binged it after losing my dorky viewpoint character. Oh, and it's Tory, not Troy.
Nolan
2024-08-27 20:35:15 +0000 UTCUgh... this episode. It's like the writers did a deep dive into the most divisive topic there is in the real world, listened to the heartfelt beliefs on both sides, pondered the ethical, philosophical, spiritual and moral implications regarding differeung conceptions of bodily autonomy and intergity and the nature of pershonhood... and then went 'bet you €25 we can anger and upset *everyone*' . Sorry for the rant but I' ve been dreading reaching this one since you guys started reacting. My least favourite of the entire series -(which on the bright side means it is all up from here I guess.)
Ross Nolan
2024-08-27 18:13:06 +0000 UTCA lot going on this week, probably too much. I really didn't see why Ron Moore has to smash us over the head with ANOTHER abortion plot thread when we've just had the Sharon one. Yes, I got that it tied into Roslyn's election campaign, but he could have picked another hot button topic; assisted suicide for terminally ill patients (appropriate for Roslyn, no?), arranged marriages? This would feel like lazy plotting if it wasn't for the justifiable repopulation prerogative, so maybe he gets a pass? And the real life US election seems becoming more prescient in another way; Tom Zarek has more than a touch of RFK about him. I hope he's not eating roadkill Cylons. And Gaius, you beautiful mother fucker; you're the patron saint of opportunism. Be careful what you wish for. Doc Cottle is a fucking treasure. He's got good Bones. Meanwhile Dee's spotless rep is completely in the crapper, along with any grief for Billy, it seems. Fucking cold, Lt Duella. More Apollo/Starbuck sexual tension, which getting a bit tedious now. Either fuck or fight, just put us out of our misery. Oh, and Kevin's dad from Home Alone was the new Pegasus captain for a hot minute. And that's the problem, like we've seen (and will see again) in BSG04; an interesting character or plotline that's 'one and done' in a single episode. His characterisation is uneven; he was an arrogant ass to Apollo, takes no shit from Starbuck, does a Kirk to save his people and then does a Spock to save the ship. A fascinating character who doesn't get expanded on. And RIP John Heard, you were a great actor. Also, another episode that suffers from the use of scenes not used in the broadcast episodes being used in 'previouslys'. Very annoying. And finally: NOW you can watch Razor!
Troy Convers
2024-08-27 18:12:16 +0000 UTCThe crew are fine; it's the fact that Pegasus is nomming Captains like Scar noms nuggets that's the problem.
Troy Convers
2024-08-27 17:06:37 +0000 UTC
