Second Chances, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S6Ep24
Added 2023-01-03 18:01:00 +0000 UTCKat sits and wonders if Star Trek would really pull their leg on Riker being a fake this whole time... Are they right?
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Comments
Big Imzadi fan here, so I love this episode and that we get to learn more about their past together. I do remember when it first aired and I was so pissed that it was Thomas and not Will who was getting all romantic with Deanna. I wanted her and Will to end up together so bad.
trylikeafool
2023-01-07 02:41:10 +0000 UTCHa! hadnt considered that. Besides being a bully he is clearly a deviant. Its all that trombone playing.
Mark Ten
2023-01-05 23:48:07 +0000 UTCCourt martial the smug SOB! Clearly there's a pattern of inappropriate behavior. No excuse!
Mark Ten
2023-01-05 23:47:01 +0000 UTCStar Trek's insistence that a person is reconstituted at the destination with the same matter he was composed of at the origin point is a plot concession to the viewers to assure them that the person didn't die. If it's really a matter-energy conversion, you could use any energy to re-produce that person perfectly down to the atom.
Raja
2023-01-05 20:22:04 +0000 UTCSadly agree. Reactions & short comments during the episode are fine, but they sometimes carry on rather lengthy discussions that would be best saved for after the credits roll.
Raja
2023-01-05 20:15:29 +0000 UTCI recall a couple previous instances. He grabbed Barclay by the arm in "Hollow Pursuits" and also an un-named crewman who then knocked him out in the Ten Forward brawl in "Sarek".
Raja
2023-01-05 20:12:58 +0000 UTCIt's kind of a legitimate criticism because it negatively affected Kat's experience watching the episode. She spent the rest of the episode convinced that the other Riker was somehow a fake and it would be addressed by episode's end.
Jarrod Wild
2023-01-04 21:43:41 +0000 UTCI remember this getting media attention back when the episode aired. I forgot this was the actual episode she appeared in.
Jarrod Wild
2023-01-04 21:41:07 +0000 UTCIt was definitely awkward, also of course that wasn't Frakes' hand on Lieutenant Riker so they sort of took away Frakes' agency in how he chose to play Commander Riker in that situation. But the whole thing is staged strangely, part of it being an issue with the show being broadcast in 4:3, putting the two Rikers really close to each other while the Commander yells at full volume into the Lieutenant's face, then quick fade out to commercial. I really enjoy this episode but that moment is so weird.
Jarrod Wild
2023-01-04 21:39:05 +0000 UTCIt must just be me, but how emotional Kat and Paula got during parts of this episode eluded me. 😅
Chrissonator
2023-01-04 04:57:40 +0000 UTCAt least it's a more credible explanation for how the transporter works in the Prime universe, instead of the dumb-f**k way they present it in the Abramsverse, where it's like trying to lasso cattle...but IN SPAAAACE. 🙄
Alexander Caldwell
2023-01-04 01:30:56 +0000 UTCI’d imagine Lt. Riker must have talked to himself or the computer, otherwise there’s no way he would have retained any fluency in spoken language after 8 years alone. Also, he was way too well adjusted for someone who spent that long in isolation; if the station had a holodeck, then maybe I could buy it.
Artemis Zeidman
2023-01-04 00:59:13 +0000 UTCYeah, I can’t imagine being trapped in the transporter buffer for decades, like Scotty. They seem to suggest that he wasn’t aware of the passage of time, but still….
Matthew Zeidman
2023-01-04 00:52:33 +0000 UTCI also love string cheese; I could make a meal of it. Nice Avril Lavigne singalong and interesting tidbit about the script; sorry your friend didn’t end up getting a writing credit.
Matthew Zeidman
2023-01-04 00:08:07 +0000 UTCYou basically aired all of my frustrations here, lol. I will add to the last part about taking some his original matter for the second beam, which essentially means Commander Riker lost part of himself in a way, which I believe to be a lost opportunity for what could have been a future episode. Although I’m sure there’s a fanfic about it out there.
Andrew Hogan
2023-01-03 23:20:53 +0000 UTCIt drives me up the wall and back down when reactors do this. I get it and I live with it, but jeez. I’m sure it’s all figured out during editing.
Andrew Hogan
2023-01-03 23:16:37 +0000 UTCHe likes to touch himself, nice.
Andrew Hogan
2023-01-03 23:14:43 +0000 UTCThat’s a little silly when all you’d really have to explain is that said person is just surprised that it happened to them. I’ve heard stories, but never expected it to happen to me, especially with how far transporter technology has come. You know, something to that effect.
Andrew Hogan
2023-01-03 23:14:00 +0000 UTCPerhaps we need to rewatch the episode next week, in order to catch all the missed dialogue, lol.
Andrew Hogan
2023-01-03 23:11:05 +0000 UTCI remembered her being in this episode, but I didn't remember she had any lines! I thought she just did the transporter thing and stayed in the background.
Firefly24601
2023-01-03 23:08:47 +0000 UTCOh, and not to get in the way of my transporter gobbledy-gook comment, but, I think a lot of Commander Riker's treatment of "Thomas Riker" here mirrors his attitudes, treatment and reflections of self that he had with Commander Shelby back in "Best of Both Worlds." Both Thomas and Shelby represent that driven part of Will that he's had struggles with in the past, and that've cost him.
Nolan
2023-01-03 22:13:03 +0000 UTCLol, talk over the explanation, then talk over the name change about missing the explanation, then wonder when the name change happens while explaining the explanation. That's like, worst case reaction scenario, and it is HILARIOUS. Statistically, this kinda thing was going to happen eventually anyways. Well, at least Kat gets to rewatch the episode when she edits. And yes, as stated above, Transporters do not create a copy and kill the original. They Scan you down to the last molecule, as well as how all those molecules fit together, like taking a picture of a completed puzzle, that information gets stored in the pattern buffer, then the transporter converts your matter into energy, compresses all that energy into a tight beam that is then aimed either at point in space or a transporter pad, and then your are decompressed, converted back from energy and the pattern that was stored is used to make sure the energy is reformed in the exact same way. (Think Wonkavision from the 1970's Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Movie) The only difference between being beamed down to a planet's surface or onto another pad, is whether the Transporter that sent you is also the one that rebuilds your pattern or the one that receives you is (in which case the data of your pattern is sent along with you) Now, how this works for THIS episode is a little up in the air, because obviously, the actual MATTER that makes up Riker could not be duplicated simply by the transporter. They mention that the second beam, used to bolster the integrity of Riker's energy in that compressed beam, ended up bouncing off the atmospheric interference and "Phasing" whatever that means. I think, best guess, is that by having two beams, the information of Riker's PATTERN was stored on the tranporter on the base, but lacked the energy of Riker's actual self (which was still in the first beam) so when that 2nd beam bounced off the atmosphere, it took some of the MATTER of the atmosphere, converted that to energy, and then the transporter, receiving this energy while still having the Riker pattern engaged, converted that atmospheric energy down to the molecule into another Riker. Meanwhile, the ship received the first beam, along with the pattern information and it was the transporter on the ship that put Riker's energy back together. And yes, I have rewatched Star Trek enough times to be able to explain their made up fictional science far better than I could ever regurgitated scientific facts while in high School science, which I nearly failed. Lol.
Nolan
2023-01-03 22:01:52 +0000 UTCIronically, you missed the dialogue where Lt Riker decides on the name Thomas, because you were talking about how Kat was talking during the explanation of why the duplication happened.
Keith Goodnight
2023-01-03 21:30:50 +0000 UTCShe got to meet Nichelle Nichols on set who had inspired her as a li9ttle girl to become an astronaut, proving that MLK was right when he convinced Nichelle to not leave Star Trek because she was in inspiration to others.
Henchman Twenty1
2023-01-03 21:07:25 +0000 UTCHe likes to touch himself. But, yes, it seemed out of character for him but how often does a crew member just blatantly disregard one of his orders?
Henchman Twenty1
2023-01-03 21:02:29 +0000 UTCInteresting factoid on Memory Alpha for this episode is that Dr Mae Jemison, the first female African-American astronaut in space, was in the episode. She was the transporter operator who beamed the away team back down to the planet when Lt Riker was running late.
Peter
2023-01-03 20:50:08 +0000 UTCThat "I gave you an order lieutenant" sounded very false. Does Riker always put his hands on crew who dont obey him?
Mark Ten
2023-01-03 20:20:41 +0000 UTCI was just going to post this. I attended a convention many, many years ago and Frakes was asked about the filming of this episode and told the story about "his" version of Riker dying at the end with Lt. Riker staying on the Enterprise instead. It would have been interesting. It's a shame Berman didn't have the courage to do something that dramatic.
DC
2023-01-03 20:10:19 +0000 UTCCertain aspects of Star Trek were retooled after TOS. When TNG was on the air, a technical manual was constructed which established the rules of the transporter, some of these descriptions conflict with how TOS shows a transporter working, so canon was altered. It was by TNG:s standard effectively impossible to create two beings from one transporter pattern, therefore the characters believed it to be implausible.
Hampus Theander
2023-01-03 19:42:13 +0000 UTCIt's odd to me that the characters here have trouble believing the transporter twin thing could happen when that exact same thing happened in the original series.
Mike
2023-01-03 19:28:11 +0000 UTCAll thing considered finding out you now have an identical twin brother due to a transporter malfunction is not that bad. I think what happened to Kirk in "The Enemy Within" and Scotty in "Relics" to be far worse.
Bruce Bromley
2023-01-03 19:26:44 +0000 UTCThe second Riker announces that he plans to use the name Thomas (their middle name) to avoid confusion in that final scene where Commander Riker gives Lieutenant Riker the trombone. You guys talked over it when you were talking about how you talked over the explanation of how there were two Rikers. I'm not complaining at all. I'm here to listen to you guys talk. I could watch TNG by myself any time I want. I just think it's funny. As far as the episode goes, I like this one. I remembered when it aired, we all 100% assumed that Lieutenant Riker would die during the episode because that's how these things always go - particularly back then. So when he survived I thought it was really gutsy and fun.
Robert C
2023-01-03 19:26:40 +0000 UTCTransporters in Star Trek do not work like a conventional teleporter would, ergo there is no copy created by the transporter and no original destroyed, it is always the original, you are conscious throughout the entire transporter cycle, your pattern is compressed into a matter stream where the matter that is you is converted into an energy flux which retains your quantum state. The reason two Rikers where created is because the Potemkins transporter officer when establishing a transporter lock lost the integrity of the signal and tried the unconventional by establishing a secondary lock in an attempt to reinforce the signal pattern, in the end the first transporter lock was sufficient to reintegrate the matter stream on the ship, but the secondary locks signal bounced off the atmosphere and was harmonically enhanced by it, which enabled the matter stream to also reintigrate on the surface of the planet. These highly unlikely events caused something that the transporter normally can't do, create two beings from the same transporter pattern.
Hampus Theander
2023-01-03 19:26:07 +0000 UTCThe producers liked Lt. Riker so much, they wanted to have Cmdr. Riker fall to his death making Lt. Riker a series regular with Data becoming the first officer. They were so taken with the idea, they approached Jonathan Frakes, who said he didn't care as long as there was an officer named Riker on the bridge. Emboldened, they then went to Executive Producer Rick Berman with the idea. Berman immediately shot it down but over the weekend thought it over again. Although he could see the appeal and potential story ideas, he felt they were too late into the series to make such a drastic change,
Mark Chrisco
2023-01-03 19:15:08 +0000 UTCThere was a minor goof when this episode first aired. When Troi goes to talk to Riker 2 we see him seated at a table drinking in his quarters. They originally forgot to add in the door chime sound, so he just looks up as if hearing the chime and says to come in. They eventually added in the sound when then episode aired again in repeats. I'm surprised that Riker 2 didn't have a volleyball named Wilson for a companion! "WIIIILSON!!!"
Henchman Twenty1
2023-01-03 18:59:14 +0000 UTC"I would have been the lucky one if I had been the one who had gotten off", sorry guys that just made me giggle.
Mike
2023-01-03 18:53:02 +0000 UTCThe Thomas Riker story with Troi is similar to what they did in the last act of Cast Away, at least his side of it. Also, Kat and Paula, when you were both talking about Kat missing the scene earlier explaining how there are two Rikers, you ironically(?) were talking over the scene when Will gifts the trombone and the other Will says he will go by his middle name of Thomas.
Jarrod Wild
2023-01-03 18:34:16 +0000 UTC
