Orphan 55, Gallifrey Gals Get Wibbly Wobbly! S12Ep3
Added 2022-09-01 17:00:08 +0000 UTCWe've got an Orphan planet, Dreggs and a Tranquility Spa! All seems safe and sound. Right?
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Nearly 5 years after it first aired, in a year that has passed the 1.5C "safe" warming target, has had multiple climate disasters, and once again had more CO2 emissions and biodiversity loss than ever before, and which still ended with yet another failed COP, and the re-election of climate denialists, I’m not sure the ending was heavy handed enough. We really all need to get our shit together.
Mathew Hill
2024-12-01 21:17:50 +0000 UTCOne BTS thing about this episode that I think really changes how I think about it is that the decision to make Orphan 55 Earth was made late in the day. Which is why the Kane thing feels a bit off, to me at least. If she was just colonising and pushing an indigenous people off the land for profit, that's pretty straightforward villainy. But the story still sort of treats her as a villain even though she's, in this filmed version, a human being trying to undo the damage humanity did to the Earth so they can come home. So it's a very mixed message.
Peter Nolan
2022-09-22 13:45:25 +0000 UTCI do think it's that factor that the ending is so heavy handed and then that's the moment people remember. I think about 90% of the negative comments at the time were about the last two and a half minutes. And even at that I think a more organic segue from that scene would have softened it, and the reaction to it a lot. I get why "crash cut into the face of a dreg" felt like a big lightbulb when scripting it, but it's the sort of thing I'd have expected to be pulled back in later drafts as too much.
Peter Nolan
2022-09-22 13:42:05 +0000 UTCIt's a good episode. The Twin Dilemma is objectively worse... even worse than Fear Her or Love and Monsters.
Brendan Falvy
2022-09-04 09:52:31 +0000 UTCPlus, the Green Death has the great bittersweet ending with Jo's wedding and the Doctor just driving off into the night alone in Bessie. It always makes me cry. 😭
Nicole Mazza
2022-09-03 07:45:10 +0000 UTCI meant ratings as in the scores people give on imdb (which are the ones I look at) not ratings as in audience numbers.
Paul Mason
2022-09-02 15:57:14 +0000 UTCThe Green Death told it's story over six episodes, though; and wove it's message around a fun,scary and imaginative storyline (including a developing romance); which built to a satisfying conclusion. This one.... didn't. :)
Ian Smith
2022-09-02 11:08:53 +0000 UTCNot sure how the ratings are determined. Why would they drop for first broadcast if the public hasnt seen this episode yet? If ratings also include rebroadcast, streaming, etc. then word of mouth & reviews would have an effect.
Mark Ten
2022-09-02 10:28:13 +0000 UTCVery heavy handed. Agreed. Until then, pretty good episode. No attachment to the randoms that were obviously only there to die. The daughter whose "plan" was just to blow up her moms workplace because she felt neglected? Oh boo-hoo. I can understand the ratings. Just kind of limp noodle on multiple levels. Too many mini-stories going on in too short of a period. Even Tom Baker being possessed by a sentient cactus was better in some ways.
Bill
2022-09-01 23:31:01 +0000 UTCGod, I can't imagine the tantrums fans would throw over stories like The Green Death.
Scribbles
2022-09-01 22:09:18 +0000 UTCI like how this episode encapsulates what the daleks were from the beginning. it's a good modern take on the idea.
William Green
2022-09-01 21:07:02 +0000 UTCI don't have a problem with trying to change people's minds, goodness knows at least 80% of all Dr. Who episodes have some message or another. The way he went about it this time was a bit ham-fisted though.
Firefly24601
2022-09-01 20:38:41 +0000 UTCGive it a go dude ==b Appreciate the episode and enjoy the reaction.
Funny That
2022-09-01 20:23:47 +0000 UTCStill deciding if I should watch a reaction of this episode or not 🤷🤷🤷😜
Sufyaan Kazi
2022-09-01 19:55:42 +0000 UTCI found this episode interesting and gripping to begin with - but in the final fifteen minutes it fell apart piece by piece; culminating in the Doctors "now listen,kids" speech. Imo,it sort of summarizes this era of Who: some genuinely interesting ideas; spoiled by a kind of proselytizing, which ends up feeling infuriatingly inevitable. It's as though Chibnall is saying "through these Dr Who episodes,I intend to make you change your opinion of things; until you all look at life the way I do - which happens to be the correct way"; rather than "through these Dr Who episodes,I intend for you to have fun, be entertained; and, occasionally,lightly informed".
Ian Smith
2022-09-01 19:53:49 +0000 UTCFor me, with this episode, there just wasn't the space for a fully engaging story. Why does everyone still alive recklessly go on the search unless there wasn't time for a subplot back at the resort? Someone or a team had to go, to find out about the Dregs, to discover what planet they were on, but everyone? Could have been a chance for Yaz to go solo and shine, helping make amends for spoiling the proposal (not that Yaz really had time to spoil anything)... the kindly couple might even have then survived. Character-wise, the doomed couple works, but I think that is due to the actors knowing what story they were in (i.e., The Poseidon Adventure) and successfully making the most of what little they got. The green haired father/son thing was just weird: their relationship better belongs in a 30 advert where pathologically oblivious/dumb dads abound. And though there is thankfully just about enough time for the Tardis Fam to react to a destroyed Earth, there isn't time to show how the humans(?) we meet feel about Earth being wasted/ruined other than it being an opportunity for Kane. (And there was a missed opportunity for the Tardis crew to give off at the Doctor about keeping things to herself despite agreeing to be more open last episode). There was never likely any version of 'Fear Her' that could have ever worked, but make a meaningful two-parter of this episode and it could have been great.
Funny That
2022-09-01 19:51:32 +0000 UTCPretty much the same for me.
Red Claw
2022-09-01 19:46:14 +0000 UTCI'm happy with most of Chibnall's stuff...except for ANYTHING connected to the "everything you thought you knew was a lie" part and everything that comes from it. I don't mind lore altering things, but not when they're made with the intention of changing what came before. Like the Time War. I mean, yes, RTD blew up Gallifrey, but he set that in a time period AFTER Classic Who was over. It didn't alter anything that came before. Touching the show's lore all the way back to it's very beginnings bothers me a LOT. I'm sorry, but no...Time Lords cannot be made by two humans banging in a TARDIS. No. And that's just a small example.
Scribbles
2022-09-01 19:19:58 +0000 UTCIt's a lot better than I remember it being. The ending is a bit heavy handed, but, let's face it. Humans are stupid. They (in general) need to be hit over the head with a message before it will even begin to sink in.
Bob Hughes
2022-09-01 19:01:15 +0000 UTCFor me, this Orphan 55 wasn't as bad as Fear Me, but it's one my least-favorite episodes in a while. The first section was good, lots of (literally and metaphorically) colorful characters just weird enough for Doctor Who. Hopper virus, cat-people; weird but in a goofy, Dr Who kind of way that I liked. Strange creatures attacking a vacation resort, pretty much standard for Doctor Who, no problems with that. When they decide to go on the recue mission outside the dome is when things start going downhill for me. So many characters and relationships are introduced, and we get only cursory examinations of each of them. Kane and Bella went from trying to destroy each other, to dying for each other in the space of 5 minutes. Same with the mechanics, their relationship problems were resolved with not much work. I'm sorry to say that I found Velma and Benni's relationship unintentionally comedic, and others spawned the "B-B-B-Benni and the Dregs" meme I see so much. I didn't get much out of their relationship, but I'm SUPER glad Paula connected with them a lot. Then there's the ending, which pretty much everyone says was too much. It's a shame because Jodie's performance is so good in that speech. Maybe if it had been placed elsewhere in the episode, and it didn't have the corny RAWWWRRRR.... not sure how that could have been done though. I liked Ed Hime's previous episode "It Takes You Away" and was really looking forward to this one when I saw he'd written it. But this one didn't work for me at all.
Firefly24601
2022-09-01 18:53:45 +0000 UTCI think Sylas was also in the David Tennant version of Around the World in 80 Days.
Firefly24601
2022-09-01 18:38:27 +0000 UTCOn ratings - there's just a noticeable drop during Jodie's era that IMO isn't reflective of the quality as a whole. I mentally add a couple of points to any rating in this era and that seems to work out about right.
Paul Mason
2022-09-01 18:38:01 +0000 UTCThe actor who played Sylas was Roger in S1 of His Dark Materials. Also, Laura Fraser (Kane) was Lydia in Breaking Bad.
LatePaul
2022-09-01 18:35:27 +0000 UTCI've always liked this episode. For me it's a good episode with some flaws not a terrible episode. I also think it maybe needed to be a two parter. It just seemed like there were several emotional beats that happened too quickly. Kane's arc. Kane-Bella's relationship. Nevis-Sylas. Bella and Ryan. With a bit more room to breathe you could have spaced those out a bit and it would have felt like those were organic changes, as it was it was a bit whiplash. Still the fact that it works as well as it does is a testament to the underlying solid story. Also there was a lot that was really well executed - the design of the monsters, the planet, the tension and the threat. And I feel like the Doctor is starting to show more colours.
LatePaul
2022-09-01 18:32:26 +0000 UTCI googled them, and there is apparently like a 20 year age gap between the actresses, so... Not my favorite episode, but hey, it's still pizza.
Eric
2022-09-01 18:31:19 +0000 UTCDefinitely a good locksmith would be a start. The Tardis could also do with a 'locate my device' as it does get misplaced a lot. And maybe redo the perfectly-normal-nothing-to-see-here field.
Funny That
2022-09-01 18:25:11 +0000 UTC"If I had crayons and a half a can of Spam I could build YOU from scratch!" pretty much makes up for any possible flaws in this episdoe.
Bob Hughes
2022-09-01 18:24:02 +0000 UTCI do like these last 2 seasons better on the rewatch with you. My problem was never with Jodie or the influence of the fandom. I cant say i like all the choices Chibnal has made (and there are some holes in the future - whether they are sinkholes as I originally thought or just rabbit holes, time will tell). Love you guys!
Mark Ten
2022-09-01 18:08:20 +0000 UTCTardis doesnt seem to be as safe a place as it used to. Fam keeps getting zapped away. Maybe The Doctor needs to get in a good locksmith
Mark Ten
2022-09-01 17:59:46 +0000 UTCWorst Episode of Chibnalls Era in my Opinion. I liked the whole idea behind the episode. The whole Earth being destroyed, because we fucked up and did not do something against Climate change I fully support. It's just that I don't care about any of the side characters in the story. I liked the old couple in the beginning, but they got annoying really quick. The mother-daughter did not have enoughg to do in the episode to care about them and the daughters reasons for what she's doing did not connect to me as well. The father-son duo is the one that almost worked for me. The jumpscare in the end was unnecessary. The lecture in the end was maybe needed, but I think even without that the message of the episode should come across, if you're not entirely braindead and was a tidbit to much. The daughter being the culprit was nicely foreshadowed, though. An episode can handle that many sidecharacters well. The Tsuranga Conundrum in the last season, I connected to all of the sidecharacters. Even the Doctor of the ship, who died early, I quickly connected to. And Voyage of the Damned is another episode, that handles a bunch of sidecharacters really well. This is the only episode in Chibnalls run of Doctor Who, which I do not like in the least.
Red Claw
2022-09-01 17:12:04 +0000 UTCThis episode is hilarious, love it! I always thought the speech at the end was great also.
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