Rosa, Gallifrey Gals Get Wibbly Wobbly! S11Ep3
Added 2022-06-02 17:01:01 +0000 UTCDoctor Who is exploring more American history this season, something we haven't really seen a lot of but this new season isn't holding back.
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It makes perfect sense if you recognize conservative ideology isn't about hate, but about punching down. Its goal and method is to create an in-group who the law protects but doesn't bind, set against an out-group who the law binds but doesn't protect, as one famous quote goes. If you've got space aliens with better guns and spaceships than you have, what better way to feel relevant and powerful* than creating division amongst the humans? Or re-creating the old racial divide, if you're not very imaginative. (*Aside from like, making something of value, like someone who cares about things other than having power over people would.) I do like your idea, though. Among other things, it would open for a discussion of Parks' protest as a single catalytic action surrounded by lifetimes of civil rights work by herself and others.
Amelie W
2024-07-04 08:43:42 +0000 UTCLet me tell you of the greatest newspaper front page ever written. It was in Swedish, but it's easy to translate without losing any of the intention or the impact. It was back when the first human heart transplant was attempted, right in the middle of South Africa's most hostile apartheid period. All it said was: "Black Heart as Red as White".
Amelie W
2024-07-03 15:56:30 +0000 UTCThe space racist has the same reasons for what he’s doing as the waitress at the restaurant, same motivation as the police officer who comes to their motel room, same as James Blake the bus driver. The only difference with Krasko is that he threatens history—and so we need the Doctor.
Joe Cleveland
2024-05-17 14:39:39 +0000 UTCMartyn Hill The villain was not needed , this should have been a straight historical and it still would have been powerful and moving.
Martyn Hill
2022-11-05 20:29:49 +0000 UTCOne of the best episodes in 13th run. I remember watching it the first time, knowing how the story would end, i was like "sit down, sit down" I didnt care about that "bad guy" he never felt part of the story. I just like how they did the story. As i said before. C.C.s era works est in historical context. Punjab, Rosa, Tesla, Angles are the best Episodes of al 3 seasons
Thomas88
2022-06-09 19:38:45 +0000 UTCI actually rather love this episode, I'm an older mostly white guy who happens to live in the south (and been here since I was 7) and am very not southern, unless it comes to food. lol
DarkAshtar
2022-06-04 20:35:15 +0000 UTCI think the bad guy would have worked better if he was actually somebody from the present who somehow got a hold of some time travel gear. I find it ridiculous that somebody who grew up in a time period where humanity had regular contact with actual aliens, would care about the skin color of other humans. hate always focus on those who are the most different. now that I am thinking about it, they should have just made the villain be a weeping angel, one that specialized in hunting down important figures in history. then the plot would just be about the gang trying to keep Rosa observed until she would do her thing and the angel would lose interest in her.
tal goren
2022-06-04 10:49:32 +0000 UTCAlso, the actor playing the baddie played a time-traveling Jack the Ripper in the cancelled TV series 'Time After Time' (which was fairly terrible...the movie was much, much better), so all I could think of was some sort of Doctor Who/Time After Time crossover as I watched the story. It at least made his character have a little more to him.
Nicole Mazza
2022-06-03 06:38:01 +0000 UTCthanks for this, I had a faint expectation along these lines, probably based on other voices I've heard in the past but didn't have the reference.
hrcaffee
2022-06-03 01:28:49 +0000 UTCI've tried explaining this episode to friends in the past. Best I could do was "Space Racist tries to change the history of Rosa Parks for....reasons?"
Manna
2022-06-02 23:42:44 +0000 UTCThere were faults in this episode, top of mind being the poor characterisation of Krasko. However, for modern who; to finally attempt some real history and attempt to educate children watching (while restricted to a format that doesn't offer enough time to get all the facts straight) ..... I Completely respect this episode and think it's brilliant. I actually salute using Graham's pain 'in the climactic moment' really sold the pain of the moment. Graham had to do the one thing his wife would have pleaded with him not to do (while at the same time she would have also been telling him to stay right damn in his seat!!) P.s., the scene with Yas and Ryan in the alleyway after the policeman came to the motel was epic
Sufyaan Kazi
2022-06-02 21:30:26 +0000 UTCI'm with you on this. In addition to all you've written,I'm uncomfortable that such an important subject isn't treated as a pure historical. They felt the need to throw in time travel; a nasty alien; and some comedy schtick in the hotel room - all this in addition to making a profound statement on racism and segregation in the USA...all in the space of 45 minutes. (It also puzzles me why the previous two episodes built up the fact that Graham was a bus driver - and yet did nothing with it in an episode revolving around the actions of a bus driver.) Mallorie Blackman has proven herself an accomplished writer of speculative futuristic fiction; and has additionally written a very decent Dr Who novella (The Ripple Effect) featuring 7 and Ace - but she has too much to do here,and can only bring her message across by using rather crude sledgehammer storytelling; or perhaps that's Chibnall? Certainly,he seems to be making his intent for the series loud and clear...which is why some of us watched this episode and could only clench our teeth for what was potentially to come!
Ian Smith
2022-06-02 19:13:36 +0000 UTCWe do love & support you guys... even though Kat started the episode by flipping us off (sniff!)
Mark Ten
2022-06-02 19:12:49 +0000 UTCExactly. There is no "reason" for racism. It's just mindless stupidity. To give him a reason would be to legitimize his horrible beliefs.
Scribbles
2022-06-02 19:10:15 +0000 UTCSometimes a bad person doesn't need some convoluted, complicated reason for being a bad person. He was just a racist and thought that the universe went wrong when the Civil Rights movement started up. So, yeah, it really didn't bother me that much. Stupid racists will always stupid racist. They never have a good reason.
Scribbles
2022-06-02 19:08:55 +0000 UTCI think in the episode the Doctor said he was from the year 7500 or something. IDK, but 5000 years in the future seems a little too far to think that changing this one event would prevent the entire Civil Rights Movement. On another note - I guess we now have a taste about how Brits feel about Americans doing British accents in our own period pieces. The comic Craig Ferguson thought that Mr Scott in the original Trek was suffering from a neurological impairment
Mark Ten
2022-06-02 19:01:35 +0000 UTCRosa Parks did actually pronounce her Rs (roughly) like that. I remember hearing that accent a few times in my life, but I think it's an older one that's slowly being lost. Even Rosa's Rs weren't as apparent (but were still there) as she got older. Here's Rosa being interviewed in 1956, in the middle of the boycott: https://youtu.be/28CExaXv7aA?t=207 And another in 1995: https://youtu.be/bqiQqM9nQ0U
Firefly24601
2022-06-02 18:56:24 +0000 UTCHere's a thing, the completion of the Human Genome Project in 2003 confirmed humans are 99.9% identical at the DNA level and there is no genetic basis for race. Poorly defined labels based on ancestry, created to set people apart socially with no basis in fact. Look at the way Yaz is identified in this episode.
Mark Ten
2022-06-02 18:51:52 +0000 UTCI will say that I did like seeing Vinette Robinson as 'Rosa'. I always liked her when she was on Doctor Who before in '42' (as Abi Lerner) with the Tenth Doctor and Martha -- also a Chibnall story -- and then in Moffat's 'Sherlock', as the feisty Sgt Sally Donovan. She's a great actress, even if I don't like this story much.
Nicole Mazza
2022-06-02 18:27:17 +0000 UTCThe other thing is that this show is a specific length. Any thing different that gets added to it, means something that's already there has to be taken out. There isn't anything that I would want taken out.
Bob Hughes
2022-06-02 18:22:48 +0000 UTCI think the lack of a reason for the racist is to portray him as generically as possible. He's basically a mcguffin, and his back story is unimportant to the plot. The point is that he has no point. He's just a racist. He's an empty suit. And they treat him as an empty suit. To give him a back story would be to justify his behavior, no matter how poorly.
Bob Hughes
2022-06-02 18:07:25 +0000 UTCI think I'm one of the few people that doesn't really like this story much. ☹️ I think the TARBIS (from Black Girls Create) podcast about it really solidified a lot of my uneasy feels about it when they talked about how, yes, it's good we FINALLY got a black writer (esp a woman) doing a story for Doctor Who, but while the Black British experience shares some similarities to the Black American experience, there's a lot of nuance that was lost in this story. (And yes, it's Doctor Who, not a biopic, but still. Even one of the hosts basically said: 'People who didn't know the story of Rosa Parks going in, probably didn't end up knowing the story of Rosa Parks by the end'). Plus, there are just things I plain hate like: 1) they act like Rosa was the only revolutionary during these bus demonstrations, but she was part of a bigger group, 2) they basically act like racism is over now (that convo between Yaz and Ryan about how much 'better' things are now is so freaking tone-deaf), and 3) not only is the Doctor passive in the big bus scenario (which I know, she can't change history or 'solve racism', but she seemed to take it all without much conflict), BUT THE FOCUS IS MOSTLY ON GRAHAM'S FEELINGS IN THAT MOMENT, with the tight focus on his face as Rosa goes through everything. THAT WAS ROSA'S MOMENT -- WHY ARE THEY FOCUSED ON THE WHITE GUY? 🤬🤬 Yeah, this episode mostly just makes me angry and not just because of the racism aspects (or even the bad accents or how un-Montgomery-like South Africa looks), but just the weird way the show handles it. Like, its's all just: 'Hang in there, things will get better'...which sound great on paper, but is simply not the reality of people suffering due to bigotry. It's so invalidating. And honestly, hearing that invalidating rhetoric on top of some of the political stuff that was going on at the time (in particular, the government discussing taking away the civil rights of trans people being in the news the week this aired -- which I'm NB, my wife is trans, and many of our dear friends are trans, so it hit close to home) REALLY LEFT ME EMPTY. I think that El Sandifer (also trans) summed up my negative feelings best in her own review of this story, where she said: 'This is a show that has over and over again shown me worlds where a righteous lunatic doesn’t so much stare down oppression as burn it down. That could have, this week, shown me a trans woman demonstrating how to end reigns of cruelty and brutality. That could have shown me worlds where minorities thrive and flourish instead of celebrating the demise of one that’s incrementally worse than the one outside my window and prophesying that the f*ckheads making it so would be the ones to survive long into the future. That could have done anything—because that’s still the entire f*cking point of this goddamn show that I love. Doctor Who could have imagined a better world. It didn’t even try. There are other standards you can apply to it, and if you did and got something out of this I’m genuinely happy for you. For me, not even The Twin Dilemma or The Celestial Toymaker left me feeling as empty and hollow and beaten as this did. This is the worst I’ve ever felt after an episode of Doctor Who. I’ll probably forgive it for that someday. But right now I just can’t.' 😢
Nicole Mazza
2022-06-02 17:57:54 +0000 UTCReally excited! I look forward to the reactions to this era. Hope you all are loving it as much as I do! I always felt Krasko was meant to be the way he was as a personification of racism itself (no explanation, just bigotry and ignorance). He is a way to show how things still aren't perfect in the future and racism still needs to be fought. I think the episode highlights the progress made with Ryan and Yaz's conversation behind the dumpsters and the ending while Krasko is the opposite.
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2022-06-02 17:16:55 +0000 UTC
