THE MASTERPIECE SOCIETY, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S5Ep13
Added 2022-03-29 17:01:01 +0000 UTCHere we have another group of people who think they've got it all genetically figured out in their society.. But what happens when they need help and discover there's so much more out there than they realized?
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If a birth seemed to be defective, they'd end it... But what happens if someone becomes disabled? Mentioned accidents, but if someone gets a brain injury (because no one there probably has psychological trauma), and starts having seizures? Would they "put that person to sleep?" I really don't think I would be allowed in their society, barely allowed in our own.
Dan Williams
2023-11-21 19:56:05 +0000 UTCHuh... Is the screenshot for this video from 'Sarek'?
Arek Schneyer
2022-03-31 20:34:54 +0000 UTCThere's an old story where a starship was monitoring a planet at about the same level of development as the 20th century Earth. There were two sides armed with nuclear weapons trained at each other. Somewhere, a mistake was made and one side launched their missiles followed by the other side. In a moment of compassion, the Captain ordered the weapons to all be destroyed from orbit to give those people "a second chance." The captain was court-martialed for breaking the prime directive and busted out of the service. Still, all three Admirals who heard the case also said in their decision they would have done the same thing. I cite this example to show the prime directive was not broken in this instance. Here, the civilization was aware of a larger universe and accepted the offer of help. They knew the risks and made a decision. To me, the prime directive at it's worst says, someone, or even an entire race should be allowed to die, even if it can be saved by interference, because that is the what is meant to happen. Finally, it would be interesting to look back on the colony a few generations hence to see if it still stands or has been abandoned.
Mark Chrisco
2022-03-30 18:48:13 +0000 UTCI love this episode, the fundamental conflict presented in the episode is one of collectivism vs individualism. You have the masterpiece society which represent collectivism (i.e. There is no individuality, you exist to serve the collective/society). Whereas the federation represents individualism (people have a right to choose, even if it their choice makes your life more uncomfortable). A lot of people get seduced by collectivism, possibly because the small benefits of collectivism are more readily apparent, and the long term benefits of individualism are often hard to spot. But what this episode has shown really well, is that you can not see the unseen, you can not see what could have been, the masterpiece society truly believed themselves to be superior, it makes logical sense (at least on the surface), after all the society is engineered to be perfect. That was until the Enterprise showed up and the reality hit them in the face, the federation, following a more individualist philosophy, was way more technologically advanced and socially developed. The federations rate of progress was simply higher then the masterpiece society. This question of collectivism vs individualism still plagues us today. Does society have the right to impose their will onto an individual for the "good" (good being highly subjective) of society? My answer is no, many people still claim that the answer is yes at least sometimes. And that is the fundamental philosophical argument underpinning many of our current political questions, such as the military draft, right to bear arms, right to speak freely, right to property, homosexual marriage etc
gobmob2000
2022-03-30 15:58:24 +0000 UTCThank you for saying the word. Although the writers made it clear we shouldn’t sympathize with the colonists’ contemptuous view of the disabled, they talked around it by having Picard say “genetic manipulation.” It’s eugenics, plain and simple. The colonists decided the lives of the disabled weren’t worth living and implemented a final solution. They chose an arbitrary model of perfection and cast off anyone who didn’t fit that model. Even if they didn’t kill members of their colony who carried “inferior” genes, they absolutely either prohibited them from procreating or required them to have their genes “fixed” before they were deemed worthy to procreate. It’s full-on Nazi shit. Of course, like all good sci-fi, this episode is a reflection of modern society. Eugenics is happening right now. In some countries in Europe, the abortion rate for fetuses diagnosed with Down syndrome is near 100 percent (it’s well over 60 percent in the United States). It’s only a matter of time before they develop a prenatal test to wipe we autistics out of the gene pool, as well. The writers and director made sure to highlight that word “suffer” that the colony’s scientist used to explain to Geordi their rationale for wiping out the disabled on their planet. That’s the medical model of disability - that we’re all diseased wretches who can only be saved from the supposed hell of our existence by a cure or an abortion. And, unfortunately, that’s the attitude most non-disabled people hold today. Most people never stop to consider the social model - that if every disabled person got the accommodation, support and acceptance we needed, our lives wouldn’t be different from anyone else’s. That’s what the writers were going for by highlighting that Geordi, with the accommodation of his VISOR and the acceptance of those around him, wasn’t suffering in any way. Anyway, sorry to drone on. This topic just hits me very hard. I couldn’t feel sorry for the colonists facing the collapse of their society or consider it some complex moral choice like Picard did at the end. The colony deserved to collapse. They were bad people.
Matthew Zeidman
2022-03-30 05:22:40 +0000 UTCWhat really hit me this time watching the episode was the scene in the turbo lift between Troi and Picard. Troi who feels ashamed about her decisions, but realizes that Picard needs all the facts to do his job properly, trusts him enough to be vulnerable. And Picard, comforts and listens without judgement or criticism and is willing to leave it at that. Then when Troi continues to beat herself up, offers reassurance and support. Great scene, that I hope all managers can learn from.
Ross Holditch
2022-03-30 01:22:23 +0000 UTCYou and I turned out to be very much on the same page with this episide, lol.
Nolan
2022-03-30 00:39:52 +0000 UTCActually they aren't a military they are quasi military and this is a tv show.
Christopher Hayes
2022-03-30 00:19:42 +0000 UTCPerfect summary by Katrina near the end, "Damn."
Bill
2022-03-29 22:04:30 +0000 UTCThis is a bit of a ho-hum episode for me, but I do find the premise, and the dilemma that goes with it, intriguing. Watching it again with the Gallifrey Gals' reaction, and discussion after (especially Katrina mentioning leaving Arizona) put me in mind of a recent experience: I was at a recent musical gathering and one presenter introduced a piece about his rural home town. He noted his experience: when he was young he couldn't wait to get out, which he did, and then later in life he felt a "magnetic pull" to move back. It wasn't that he decided he was wrong to leave; leaving and experiencing the wider world was a vital part of his life and what actually allowed him to love his home town when he returned: if he'd been trapped, and never left, he'd have been miserable forever. I noticed how many people in the audience nodded their heads and murmured in agreement. I don't have that in my own life, I was a big-city (or suburb of a big city, anyway) boy from birth. But it resonated to see how many people shared that experience. No doubt many who leave small towns never return, but those that do come home revitalized and bringing with them experiences that are what keep those towns alive. Returning to this Star Trek episode: that's exactly the element missing from the "Masterpiece Society." No one ever goes out to bring back fresh ideas and experiences to prevent it from lapsing into stagnation. This isn't a pure fantasy premise; it's tackling the difference between a community (small or large) that remains vital and one that grows stagnant until it withers and dies: whether or not it keeps cross-pollinating with the wider world, through people going, and coming, and sometimes coming back.
Keith Goodnight
2022-03-29 21:57:00 +0000 UTCGet outta town! They are such different characters. I've always wanted to see more of Bochra. This guy was too slimy for me. And to think they are the same man.
Nolan
2022-03-29 21:35:07 +0000 UTCKind of a Ho-hum outing for me. Yeah, it's an intriguing issue to explore, but it was all just so bland in execution. Another thing is immediately following up last week's episode with a Troi romance episode. I've never been a fan of that. I do find it interesting that Troi, who gives rough, manly man, adventuring Riker the name "Imzadi" keeps falling for these kinda slimy, reserved, bureaucratic types. He's not as big a slime ball as that Ral character, but he do be sliding across the floor when he walks sometimes. And kudos to Katrina for sticking with a follow up episode after last week. I for sure thought there would've been a filming break for a bit. I also appreciate the perspective of feeling trapped where you're growing up and wanting out. I've never really had that, so there's been not a ton of resonance with me in regards to this episode. I've also started fallen asleep to it a few times too, so there's that... lol.
Nolan
2022-03-29 21:31:23 +0000 UTCThe black guy in the masterpiece society who seems to be a judge is an Admiral in The Orville, which you should definitely react to
William Green
2022-03-29 21:21:31 +0000 UTCGals, if John Snyder (Aaron Conor in this episode) seems familiar, you might recall he previously played the Romulan centurion Bochra, who Geordi was trapped with on the planet in season 3's "The Enemy".
Raja
2022-03-29 21:16:47 +0000 UTCI don't watch this episode a ton- I forgot how wonderful it is. But yeah, at the end of it, with Aaron talking about mistakes, I am reminded of Picard's speech to Data in Season 2: "Commander, it is possible to make no mistakes, and still lose. That is not a failing, that is life."
Arek Schneyer
2022-03-29 20:12:23 +0000 UTCYogi on camera!! What a treat. 😸
Firefly24601
2022-03-29 19:04:09 +0000 UTCBasically eugenics lol. Now I don't completely condemn genetic engineering all out. Removing a passed on disease or disability could be a very slippery slope.
DarkAshtar
2022-03-29 18:41:40 +0000 UTCStar trek is supposed to be the military, The Federation Navy - they should have all this stuff worked out already and not be improvising at the last moment. Thats not how the military works under pressure. They're supposed to rely on their systems not go "Oops, I can make the ship faster, I can make the weapons more powerful, the shields thicker" Well, why did you wait till now?!? The Doctor just makes it up as he goes along because he's an old man in a box with no support from home!
Mark Ten
2022-03-29 18:10:41 +0000 UTCI like this episode as a reminder that one's intentions can be full of good but, it doesn’t mean they can't have unforseen and possibly destructive consequences themselves. It is a difficult thing dealt with in the best traditions of trek, which is an open ended question with no right answer given.
Peter
2022-03-29 17:58:12 +0000 UTC
