UNCUT - Clues (TNG S4E14) | Star Trek Journey 195
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I agree - J&A suggested the Paxans would need to be more pacifist but how many xenophobic pacifists are there? Yes - this is an alien species, so anything goes in that sense - but from a human take they seem like incompatible ideals to me.
nigel valentine
2024-10-19 04:55:14 +0000 UTCMy memory was a little wonky/ had wires crossed, this one is great but the next 3 are definitely not my vibe.
James Knight
2024-10-13 19:57:06 +0000 UTCInteresting rewrite idea.
Jeffrey P
2024-10-12 04:03:08 +0000 UTCJust to clarify, the reason they looked closer at the probe was because of the other clues left behind, once they are cleaned up they would have no reason to look at the probe closer because they had no suspicions
Gregory Mark Coburn
2024-10-11 22:01:41 +0000 UTCIt's so odd that Red Dwarf sort of did this plot first, when usually they copied ideas from Trek, in a legitimate, affectionate and parodic way.
SnabbKassa
2024-10-10 00:08:59 +0000 UTCThe warning buoy probably deters many races beyond Starfleet, like international warning signals and symbols on Earth. The Paxons got a bargain with the Enterprise.
tyranusfan
2024-10-09 12:38:55 +0000 UTCpretty sure this was the second episode i saw when it originally aired and it hooked me for sure. there was so much going on in it. i didn’t know who dixon hill even was.
David Marcoot
2024-10-09 03:26:10 +0000 UTCThey address this. The clocks are off because "the wormhole sends them a day in the future" so they reset them.
Eric Wilson
2024-10-09 03:12:46 +0000 UTCYeah but they rarely go fast enough to effect relativistic speeds. they "warp" space which means they aren't moving space moves around them allowing them to go "faster than light" becasue they aren't moving space is being pulled around them. This is how they get around the fact that no matter how fast you go it'd take 4 years + from earth to reach the next closest star from the perspective of people on the planet. 4 or 5 missions everyone the crew knew wolud be dead if they were dealing with relativity.
Eric Wilson
2024-10-09 03:10:13 +0000 UTCNo they reset their clocks when they got out of the "wormhole" Wormholes can bring you into the future a bit, and that is what they thought happened, they thought it dropped them a day into the future. They woke up, reset their clocks to the Starfleet beacons (like GMT signal) and went on their way.
Eric Wilson
2024-10-09 03:06:20 +0000 UTCI have everything aidsboogeraids!
Eric Wilson
2024-10-09 03:03:22 +0000 UTCEnterprise seems to be out of contact for days or weeks at a time anyway going off all the other episodes. It doesn't seem that other ships are usually close or Starfleet is in direct communication much.
Eric Wilson
2024-10-09 03:02:33 +0000 UTCthe focus on Picard at the end was to see if he would make a different decision then he had made previously, to make it a dramatic moment of uncertainty
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 03:01:02 +0000 UTCand for the days, given stardates are based on relativistic time, far enough way from the federation there is probably a margin of error and uncertainity
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 02:55:50 +0000 UTCyeah but.... its more complicated then that as Im sure you know, stuff we cant talk about yet
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 02:54:58 +0000 UTCprobably not because there was no actual time distortion, she was also just knocked out by an energy field and told she had out for thirty seconds. There's not the... thing that would tip off her senses. No actual time travel or weirdness like that
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 02:54:12 +0000 UTCyes, so we have to assume they are so out in unexplored space and far away there are margins of error with starfleet communication time coding
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 02:52:20 +0000 UTCmaking it the fifth time wouldnt work because starfleet would conduct a search for their flagship that never showed up to its next contact. That part is still a loose end, but let's pretend they are way out of range of federation communications.
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 02:48:35 +0000 UTCThe probe was the only option he could recommend other then further investigation by the ship directly
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 02:46:44 +0000 UTC"I cannot confirm or deny that sir." Geordi- "Data, there's an encrypted file in hidden in your sub temporal update routines called 'aidsboogeraids'. What is that?"
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 02:45:40 +0000 UTCdata changed the image from an m class planet (one that supports life) to one that doesnt so they wouldnt be interested in investigating but he replaced the real image with an image from the ship's computer. Presumably this time they have prepared better do the probe will pick up nothing at all with no eidence because they've spent time closing all potential loose ends before what we see
paultardspambot .
2024-10-09 02:44:21 +0000 UTCPicard to Data: "Data, have you ever used the flashy thing on me?
Monty Crawford
2024-10-09 01:14:15 +0000 UTC20th century pacemakers already count heartbeats, what do you think Picards fake heart did in that 24 hours? Did they send Pulaski out to do the surgery again in secret to pull a days count out of it?
Alan Thompson
2024-10-08 23:47:09 +0000 UTCEh Crushers moss just needs to look the same as it did right before the "wormhole". I do think Troi still has more nightmares but if there aren't a bunch of other "clues" they aren't going to jump to assuming her body was taken over psychically. As for O'Brien...I think every needs to be returned to the same spot they were at right before the wormjump. Whether O'Brien is hurt again or not shouldn't matter.
Greg Quinn
2024-10-08 23:26:09 +0000 UTCYou are also just moving the "mystery injury" around too. it goes from Worfs wrist to Obriens shoulder if you erase his memory. How does Obriens shoulder get hurt, also how did Keikos plant get broken? But in round 2 of "the plan" Keiko forgets getting Obrien to grow plants, Crusher forgets having a botany hobby, and Troi never looks into a mirror again. All to make the plot work out.
Alan Thompson
2024-10-08 23:18:42 +0000 UTCKeiko
Greg Quinn
2024-10-08 23:13:40 +0000 UTCYa but its not typical data behaviour to say something like that even being escorted under investigation
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:59:40 +0000 UTCYa i think they just didn’t understand the use of “beards growing “ vs stubble, 5 oclock shadow , need to shave again
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:56:23 +0000 UTCMeh there was no wormhole and no actual time disruption….just a fancy knock out energy field like taking a drug
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:52:56 +0000 UTCWhy would that matter?
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:51:05 +0000 UTCIts actually just how they hid microphones for filming those scenes
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:50:14 +0000 UTCGross. Hopefully we have evolved beyond using toilet paper…sonic bidet
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:49:36 +0000 UTCAll sorts of timey fun in star trek galaxy. Being out of sync 24 hours is probably somewhat common
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:48:23 +0000 UTCXenophobic shy alien who hate violence and only use it as a last resort when their deception scheme fails. This might have been the only time they even considered using plan B of violence to destroy the visiting ship
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:47:29 +0000 UTCSome people say that’s episodic tv for ya. But honestly i find it way worse in serialized season long stories and mysteries that many shows wrap up and reveal in the last 10 mins of the final episode
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:43:30 +0000 UTCMeh the galaxy and starfleet are full of all sorts of fun with time…being out of sync is probably somewhat common
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:41:18 +0000 UTCEasier to just adjust the sensors
Derek Orr
2024-10-08 17:38:26 +0000 UTCReally solid mystery episode, and even on rewatch it retains a lot of the tension. It just goes from the tension of thinking Data is doing something nefarious to tension from knowing he's trying his hardest to keep the crew safe and they just can't let it go. I love how Worf had to puff up his chest and say Data's one of the few people who could break his wrist. Picard was probably thinking "I see you get your ass beat like once a week, I even walked in on you losing a fight to an old woman once in sickbay. I'm pretty sure Troi could break your wrist".
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-10-08 05:41:43 +0000 UTCI guess like the beards, the stasis froze their digestive systems as well. Good thing nobody replicated Taco Bell though. There's no stopping that.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-10-08 05:18:14 +0000 UTCNot with warp travel, as the ship isn't technically moving, but just warping space around it. There would be some minor degree of time dilation when traveling at impulse, especially at a significant fraction of the speed of light, or when traveling near black holes and such, but it's possible they have a program to automatically account for those differences.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-10-08 05:14:25 +0000 UTCAfter Ardra's little visit to his quarters, Picard decided maybe it wasn't all about the redheads😁
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-10-08 04:46:31 +0000 UTCAs far as doing something different with the probe. The clues that they saw led them to dig deeper and do more research on the image from the probe. Data had to change the image because they didn’t want it to be a class M planet that would support life because that was the reason why they wanted to investigate the planet further. If there weren’t clues there to encourage them to dig deeper, they never would’ve found that the image was in the library of another planet since they didn’t find it the first time around until they started digging deeper.
Steve777
2024-10-08 02:37:27 +0000 UTCSomeone has to change the length of PIcards toilet paper roll as well.
Alan Thompson
2024-10-08 00:36:35 +0000 UTCI wonder who got assigned to trim every plant in the arboretum down by a millimeter?
Alan Thompson
2024-10-07 21:32:44 +0000 UTCThey addressed that the first time when they said to synch up with star fleets one clock. Because a unstable wormhole could cause you to move foreward (or backward) in time. So just having lost a day isn't really a big deal, as long as they didn't also see evidence of a days time actually having been spent on the ship (by evidence of things like moss growing)
Greg Quinn
2024-10-07 20:03:03 +0000 UTCHaving lost a day isn't a big deal as long as it's time distortion from worm hole travel. While worm holes usually aren't used for time travel in trek it is mentioned as a possibility in later episodes and it's also in keeping with how wormholes would "theoretically work".
Greg Quinn
2024-10-07 20:00:07 +0000 UTCIf wormholes are real they could hypothetically allow time travel as well as physically travel. They are a space time rift. So the enterprise being jumped ahead a day or two days or even a week isn't a issue as long as they don't see evidence that that time frame actually passed on the ship (so a days worth of moss growth)
Greg Quinn
2024-10-07 19:52:46 +0000 UTCA worm hole could cause a time distortion...Basically jumping you foreward or backwards in time. So losing a day isn't really an issue as long as nothing happened, like a plant growing to make you suspect that day was actually spent.
Greg Quinn
2024-10-07 19:44:56 +0000 UTCAmusing that someone said to you they downgraded it because of rewatch value. They must really hate Sixth Sense
AzoriusMage
2024-10-07 19:41:48 +0000 UTCI think they have that covered in the episode. While they were out for 30 seconds, they may have believed they had a slight time jump in relation to the rest of the galaxy.
WastedPo
2024-10-07 19:38:31 +0000 UTCSo, Data tells them that they've been out for 30 seconds. However, when they get to a Starbase, or their ship's clock syncs with the internet, it's going to show the real time elapsed.
Turtleboy
2024-10-07 19:08:57 +0000 UTCSomething I thought about this time through, Guinean is so so much older than Picard, this kind of plays out like an adult (her) playing with someone who is a child( in comparison Picard) for pretend play humoring them.
Eric Wilson
2024-10-07 18:56:26 +0000 UTCIf data took them out of statis then I'd think their beard would grow though. I guess because they only left them awake for like an hour or something not a whole day I guess?
Eric Wilson
2024-10-07 18:49:54 +0000 UTCLet me try saying it this way, when Worf tunes in to tonights batleth tournament results he is going to find the match was held yesterday. The rest of the galaxy made no changes to its clocks, just the Enterprise did. So even when they arrive at their next destination they are going to say happy friday to someone and they will say hey its saturday. Guinan will try to reorder the saurian brandy on the 30th only to find out its the 1st of the next month already. This "plan" would never work.
Alan Thompson
2024-10-07 18:41:53 +0000 UTCI watched every episode of TNG as it aired (and recorder them on VHS to watch again and again). This is one that had me guessing the whole time. The next-day schoolyard discussions about it were always great fun!
Sean Richard
2024-10-07 18:21:31 +0000 UTCI give it an S, but I think I know where you are going with that comment. Some consequences are a bit... delayed.
Ron Hubbard Jr
2024-10-07 18:02:07 +0000 UTCGreat episode still enjoyable even knowing why. Those trailers you had in America are awful I am glad we never had those.
AzoriusMage
2024-10-07 17:44:43 +0000 UTC"Clues" is one of my favorite TNG episodes, definitely in my Top 10.
Ron Hubbard Jr
2024-10-07 17:32:52 +0000 UTCInteresting about the rushed ending. I love TNG, but a big problem, especially in later seasons, is a lot of episodes seem like the last 5 minutes the writers were “Oh sh*t, we’ve got to wrap this up!”
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-10-07 17:22:28 +0000 UTCAlso the reason the probe works round 2 where it did not round 1 is that they didn't prepare for it the first time. Data had to falsify the probe readings on the fly. The second time around Data and anyone in stellar cartography could have created a completely original and uninteresting planet that wouldn't raise any red flags.
Strife
2024-10-07 16:53:48 +0000 UTCThank you. That is some information I never knew about, but it makes sense. Interesting.
wildhunt1973
2024-10-07 16:52:55 +0000 UTCWell they could just delete the traces from the computer and chalk it up to disruption of the wormhole. The chronometer would be a problem but you assume Data and Geordi found a way to conceal that’s explainable
tyranusfan
2024-10-07 16:51:00 +0000 UTCNearing faster than light speed does this anyway. It is one of the reasons there are star dates to begin with IIRC. Also going through a wormhole could mess with where you are in time anyway. Saying hey we blacked out for 30 seconds, traveled a day away and are now several days behind the rest of starfleet wouldn't be that weird. It is why Data had to sync the chronometer in the first place. They also aren't missing probes. Geordi would replicate more and falsify the records.
Strife
2024-10-07 16:50:39 +0000 UTCGreat atmosphere, good performances and a strong concept. But i think the ending is a bit rushed and with some episodes they remain impactful on multiple watches. Always found this one doesnt quite hold up I’d rate as an A tier I think.
Darren Seal
2024-10-07 16:48:05 +0000 UTCIronically from their point of view it WAS an uneventful trip past the nebula!
tyranusfan
2024-10-07 16:46:59 +0000 UTCFor me it’s an A as I found the impact of the episode lessons on rewatches. Nothing to do with being stand alone.
Darren Seal
2024-10-07 16:46:50 +0000 UTCcrazy she passed away in August at the age of 70.
Lt Dan I scream
2024-10-07 15:27:19 +0000 UTCOh shit, you know it's gonna be good when Alex starts rubbing his hands together
Deep Red
2024-10-07 15:23:02 +0000 UTCThe Probe: The Enterprise detects a "Class M" planet, which is a planet capable of supporting human life. They are required by Starfleet to investigate and catalog the planet. By resorting to "the probe," the information can be altered to reflect a planet of non-interest. That, coupled with a warning buoy, would render this area of space as a no-go zone for Starfleet due to the perceived threat of an unstable wormhole. Data describes the "error" of detecting a Class M planet as an effect of the wormhole, where it may have temporarily opened into a system with a Class M planet.
Who North America
2024-10-07 14:50:53 +0000 UTCCleeeeeveland...
Who North America
2024-10-07 14:32:36 +0000 UTCThese guys are from a wrestling background. I think they can appreciate the differences between karate and judo.
Mister Hope
2024-10-07 12:57:49 +0000 UTCYep but it looks like karate for the uninitiated
marty63026
2024-10-07 11:25:29 +0000 UTCMe too, my beard grows fast. I can grow a respectable beard in about 5 days. One of my brothers has to shave 3 times a day to keep his beard at bay!
marty63026
2024-10-07 11:18:14 +0000 UTCIt’s makes me very excited to see how they react to the episodes they have guessed specific concepts in their discussions. Be careful not to spoil any specific plot points, it might affect their reactions.
marty63026
2024-10-07 11:16:06 +0000 UTCIt’s something Geordi does a lot moving forward, almost like they picked a character that represents a more grounded approach to highly technical questions and explanations. He tends to simplify a lot of technobabble into its most basic points. Sometimes it comes across as lame or unneeded but most of the time it’s actually helpful for some of the crew to wrap their heads around it and helps the audience better understand what is going on. Geordi comes off as very relatable most of the time.
marty63026
2024-10-07 11:12:34 +0000 UTCWe simply don’t know how they addressed all of the clues. In reference to the transporter trace, they may have beamed that crew member through transporter to make sure the cellular decay was correct and then throughly deleted the time codes. Who knows, that second time through they may have addressed all of those clues they left the first time. That’s part of what makes this episode great, we can imagine how they addressed every clue. Fun!
marty63026
2024-10-07 10:32:54 +0000 UTCI think most Patrons gave it an A and not a S because it's a stand alone episode without any consequences. Am I right?
Sam Langanke
2024-10-07 06:48:04 +0000 UTCI wrote 'if you can'. So i respect their lives outside of TA. And sure I could wait a day. But like you I am used to thursdays and sundays and wait for the videos to get dropped on these days.
Sam Langanke
2024-10-07 06:30:58 +0000 UTCHey! You recognize Nurse Alyssa Ogawa as a recurring character. I think you didn't on sceen until now.
Sam Langanke
2024-10-07 06:20:51 +0000 UTCJosh mentions TMP. I thought that also back in the day. Maybe they used Deanna - in a double meaning - because she is the reimageination of Ilia.
Sam Langanke
2024-10-07 06:15:32 +0000 UTCI enjoy this episode, but found the ending rushed. Just suddenly, alien who is a surprisingly chill xenophobe.
Matthew Martin
2024-10-07 05:01:38 +0000 UTCI think that's why Data was so quick to suggest syncing their clock with Starfleet's clock
GreenCauldron08
2024-10-07 04:20:39 +0000 UTCThey probably had Alyssa take the fall for misplacing them god help her 😭
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-10-07 04:11:43 +0000 UTCI gave you a heart, even though you dissed Hunt for Red October again. I can only give this one an A because there's one thing that bothers me: Wouldn't the Enterprise be two days behind the rest of the universe now? And wouldn't they know when they reached the next Starbase or planet that the ship's clock is two days off? Nevermind, I think I figured it out. Data could add a small increment of time to the clock that most people would not notice so that by the time they get to the next place, time is caught up again. Though they are still missing three probes.
wildhunt1973
2024-10-07 04:11:20 +0000 UTCI think the idea is that any time inconsistencies are supposed to be attributed to the wormhole. Of course, that is negated by the chronometer needing to be "off" by 30 seconds. 🤦
Jovet
2024-10-07 04:06:14 +0000 UTCThat's a great observation about Deanna/Picard's bed! ROTFL!!
Jovet
2024-10-07 04:04:20 +0000 UTCFeels like they had Whoopi Goldberg contracted for a certain number of episodes per season, and if they tacked her on to the fun teaser scene, she's in the episode but it's like one day of filming for her.
ScotchBeard78
2024-10-07 03:52:21 +0000 UTCHaha, totally. I've actually always thought this line reeked of a network exec getting real logic-checky in some note on the script: "But wouldn't their beards grow?" The line's so heavy-handed and jammed in there I feel like the writing staff was like: "Just stick it in the script to shut up that exec." :)
ScotchBeard78
2024-10-07 03:51:11 +0000 UTCTime and space are all relative. As they move at high speeds, there are time dilations.
Joshua Langweil
2024-10-07 03:35:32 +0000 UTCThis one's definitely S Tier for me. It's an unassuming little episode in a lot of ways, but the creepy atmosphere, that steadily rising tension, the snowballing evidence, and Brent Spiner's classically eerie-when-he-wants-to-be performance as Data makes this a classic TNG for me.
ScotchBeard78
2024-10-07 03:32:23 +0000 UTCYeah. When they talk about being stuck in a time loop for an undefined period of time......I just felt my eyebrows perk up.
Terry
2024-10-07 03:15:01 +0000 UTCMok’Bara = Klingon Judo
Mister Hope
2024-10-07 03:00:49 +0000 UTCStill think this would make the perfect TOS episode..but, did no one go to the bathroom in a day?
Badger
2024-10-07 02:43:12 +0000 UTCGlad you loved it. I love it too, but as "Excellent" instead of "Best Of The Best". Personally I had six "BOTB" episodes this season, and I have two left. This for me is the first episode where I can see them beginning to hide Gates McFadden's pregnancy. She's holding her plant samples in front of her stomach when she brings them to show Picard, the same samples are in front of her on the conference table later on, and they're beginning to shoot her from different angles and behind chairs. I've made it a little game for myself over the years called Spot the Baby Bump.
KatWithAttitude
2024-10-07 02:40:04 +0000 UTCYes. The more I start to examine it, the more the story starts to fall apart.
Collin Freeman
2024-10-07 02:35:48 +0000 UTCSounds like me last episode
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-10-07 02:35:25 +0000 UTCWell, I think you're gonna have a lot of "S" episodes to try to rank against each other by the end of the season!
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-10-07 02:34:49 +0000 UTCI would expect in their regular reports to Starfleet, or even the ship's computer syncing up with starbase computers, etc., would somehow reveal the Enterprise's computer clock is off by a couple of days.
Collin Freeman
2024-10-07 02:34:33 +0000 UTCI’m not sure what your criteria for “all-time classic” is, but an S indicates it’s one of our favorites, and this was one of our favorites.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-10-07 02:28:22 +0000 UTCShades of Gray barely counts as an episode.
KatWithAttitude
2024-10-07 02:28:10 +0000 UTCIts not worth it to try to logic through the details of this episode, because they don't hold up to close scrutiny. Just take it on its surface and it's fine.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-10-07 02:24:43 +0000 UTCRiker: "Wait. Data is capable of lying? So there was no transporter malfunction. Hey Data. We're you about to kill that guy that kidnapped you?" Data: "I cannot verify that hypothesis." Riker: "I knew it!" Picard: "Well Mr Data. Deceit and attempted murder. Looks like you're human after all." Data: "Thank you sir." Picard: "Good thing that so called Ardra didn't know that." Data: "Indeed. I very successfully to use the phrase 'pulled the wool over her eyes'." Picard: "Hahahaha...yes you did Data. Yes you did."
Paul Noad
2024-10-07 02:24:33 +0000 UTCI guess, but when would they find that out?
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-10-07 02:24:18 +0000 UTCThere time being off of what star fleet says isn't really a big deal Because traveling through a wormhole could jump you ahead in time. So it showing that they "lost a day" or two, or three....can just mean they jumped foreward in time (as long as other things, like moss growing, doesn't show a passage of time on the ship).
Greg Quinn
2024-10-07 02:17:27 +0000 UTCInteresting point about Guinan not being involved in the rest of the episode. Given what we saw from her in Yesterday's Enterprise, would she have been affected with the amnesia? Would her ability to see past linear time have told her "this is not right"? Great catch, guys.
Collin Freeman
2024-10-07 02:12:55 +0000 UTCQuestion for the TA: Wouldn't the stardates and time in general be out of sync with Starfleet, especially after the second attempt?
Collin Freeman
2024-10-07 02:11:00 +0000 UTCSorry, I missed that part. Regarding your rating, I love the episode too, but I only give an S rating to all-time classics. (Yesterday's Enterprise for example.) I feel like otherwise great episodes like this should get an A. Otherwise how do you separate the all-time classics? There's nothing above an S. Also, to nitpick your rating scale: I don't think B should be for Banger; that's what A is for. For me, B is for Solid. C is for Meh. D is for Crappy, and F is for No Redeeming Qualities.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-10-07 02:05:27 +0000 UTCThey couldn't completely get rid of the plants though. They had to get a crop of the space moss that matched up about exactly to what it was before the encounter
Greg Quinn
2024-10-07 02:01:25 +0000 UTCIf Data showed a M class planet the enterprise or another ship would at some point go back to check it out. So Data needed to send a boring image. Of course when they check star fleets main clock they will now find they are in the future by a few days...but that's not a big deal because a wormhole could send you foreward in time as well as a different location (time distortion stuff)
Greg Quinn
2024-10-07 01:59:53 +0000 UTCThe probe didn't get noticed till the other clues got taken care of. Crushers crop...they could probably make a exact copy of what it was before. Worfs wrist could be healed a few times that should make his pain less...but regardless Worf's won't complain about pain unless he is ordered to report anything different. Troi will probably still be having some issues...but without other issues it will just be chalked up as a minor issue.
Greg Quinn
2024-10-07 01:57:18 +0000 UTCWe said for it to work the aliens would need to be peaceful
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-10-07 01:53:22 +0000 UTCI think the movie will be alright
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-10-07 01:48:49 +0000 UTCThe problem with your rewrite idea of the crew going through this so many more times is that the aliens would have simply killed them all. The aliens were patient enough to give them a second chance, but that's all.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-10-07 01:48:22 +0000 UTCNo
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-10-07 01:48:00 +0000 UTCThis one was always one of my favorites. It's how you do a mystery episode the right way.
Spencer Loften
2024-10-07 01:47:54 +0000 UTCThe subtext of the line is that there's nothing wrong with Data. He is in the right because he's following the order of Picard, though Picard doesn't know it.
Michael Figueroa
2024-10-07 01:47:51 +0000 UTCMy facial hair is thick enough that it's obvious when I shave every day versus every other day. Nice if you want a beard, kind of a curse if you don't.
Joe Concepts
2024-10-07 01:39:19 +0000 UTCCan we all just agree to not mention The Hunt for Red October again... ?
Joe Concepts
2024-10-07 01:37:02 +0000 UTCIt amazes me how many times what you guys ask for you get from this show. There are so many things you mention in your discussions that you guess things that will happen in this franchise in the future, it’s kinda wild.
marty63026
2024-10-07 01:34:38 +0000 UTCThe first time Data recommends sending the probe. The second time Data says it was very hazardous and probably gave them anomalious readings. .It was Commander Riker who suggested sending the probe. It was only the mystery that made them actually look into the photo and see that it was a fake.
startrekiborg
2024-10-07 01:28:08 +0000 UTCI do think it's funny that Geordi's the only one who cares about their beards not growing. Everybody else is like, "Yeah, whatever, Geordi."
Steven Linden
2024-10-07 01:18:00 +0000 UTCYeah. You can wait one more day. But hey, its nice to know that our community here is from all over the world!
Chris S.
2024-10-07 01:03:39 +0000 UTCIf you guys don't love this episode I'll be pretty surprised.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-10-07 00:52:09 +0000 UTCI'm guessing we'll be back to the earlier in the day releases once TA gets an episode or two ahead again.
DG
2024-10-07 00:52:09 +0000 UTCAre they going to reposition the locations of planets in their orbits? You can pretend a day just vanishes if you want to with minds that you can effect, but the orbit of the frackin planet is going to be 24 hours further along in its path than it should be.
Alan Thompson
2024-10-07 00:50:05 +0000 UTCGlad you enjoyed the episode; it's one of my favourites. Picard getting to use his Dixon Hill detective skills in his real life; who wouldn't want that?~ A great mystery for the characters and us as well that to me, is still fun on rewatch. My only minor criticism would be that I don't necessarily like Troi being possessed and having her agency taken away, without her consent. Even just one of the bridge crew asking the Paxans if Troi's consciousness was still okay while they were using her body would have been a nice acknowledgment at least. I always assumed the second time would be successful because it was really the plants that kicked the whole thing off, so if they were gone, Picard probably would not even start investigating and Data would not have been immediately caught lying by Geordi, so the probe info would likely not have been questioned. But also, I like to think that perhaps some of what happened has moved into Picard's long-term memory and so he will also not investigate for that reason as well.
Ryan Caulfield
2024-10-07 00:48:49 +0000 UTCI accidentally deleted my patron take before submitting it (and never bothered to resubmit) but it was about a moment that is kind of underrated (and understated) in this episode. Data, after being questioned by Picard, is asked to be escorted to engineering. And he responds with "I know the way." It almost feels like his pride, or his android equivalent, is hurt by their treatment of him. IDK why but I have always loved the way Spiner delivered that line.
THE LORE!!!
2024-10-07 00:44:39 +0000 UTCEnjoyable reaction, there’s plenty more great episodes to come in this season, by this point the cast are so great together that some of the best shows are like plays with minimal FX and just a few sets. It’s all in the acting with this one.
Paul Rymer
2024-10-07 00:43:27 +0000 UTCThe only previous flashback I recall is to Tasha escaping the R-Gangs on her home planet in season 1. Shades of Gray I suppose is also "flashbacks" but that doesn't count.
Mister Hope
2024-10-07 00:40:27 +0000 UTCThat red october joke was so mean :(
Evan Guthrie
2024-10-07 00:38:07 +0000 UTCThose are all things that were only investigated/discovered once the first clues had their suspicions raised so they were on high alert for anything out of the ordinary. They won’t look for the differences between crew and transporter logs because that was just checking for more evidence because of the plants raising the issue. And the clock tampering, if it ever is found, just needs to be late enough that there are too many possible answers to track down the actual cause. The precariousness of how well everything will hold up again this time is also what adds that sense of tension at the end whether it will work(you can almost sense Data’s internalized sigh of relief after Picard confirms sending the probe finally after the longer pause while considering it).
Todd “Canuck” Schmuck
2024-10-07 00:37:51 +0000 UTCI love this episode; it never gets old for me. I like that Data smiles a little at the end. This is the one thing that in all of Starfleet and the Federation, he knows the truth about what really happened. I'm really glad you gave it an S tier. Banger reaction. PS Points for having the Blu-ray of Adam West's BATMAN. I grew up watching that show.
Michael Figueroa
2024-10-07 00:32:52 +0000 UTCit surprising how trusting they were of data since he been hacked before
Dark Kronis
2024-10-07 00:31:44 +0000 UTCI’m sure they’d love to but they also have lives outside of TA.
Column Meanie
2024-10-07 00:18:30 +0000 UTCin the later scene Riker suggests the probe where in the first it was data. Also dianna didnt have the weird feeling she had in the first go she was more up beat and like everyone seems ok. Worf didnt have his wrists issue. and if they got rid of the plants they dont really start down the path of looking for answers to the clues. if the planet is M class they are required to dig deeper cause they are on a mission to find life.
Lt Dan I scream
2024-10-07 00:16:29 +0000 UTCIt was never my favorite, but i always liked this one. Definitely right up your alley.
startrekiborg
2024-10-07 00:15:42 +0000 UTCI've seen this so many times, but as what always happpens with watching reaction videos, I realized Guinan didn't like a mystery like a human would. She's interested in humans, but she's not human. It goes back to how aliens, like Guinan or Q, might find humans fascinating, but our species doesn't necessarily translate to something they instantly understand.
PIG
2024-10-07 00:11:51 +0000 UTCI’m glad to find out that the mystery’s answer isn’t as obvious as it feels after years of rewatches.
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-10-07 00:11:09 +0000 UTCOne thing I didn't notice at all until this watch with you guys is that after they first wake up, Worf is immediately cradling his wrist after in the background. They did a really good job with the details. Edit: just got to the part where Alex mentions it upon his rewatch. Awesome
THE LORE!!!
2024-10-07 00:08:14 +0000 UTCI imagine if TNG was produced today, there could be bonus short episodes of things like Guinan and Picard solving Dixon Hill mysteries
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-10-06 23:58:51 +0000 UTCGentlemen. Hands down one of the best TNG episodes ever made. I know, I know. For some that’s a stretch. But while you’re watching this episode, you get chills up and down your spine. You have absolutely no idea what is happening or where this is going to go, and that is the compelling part of this episode. It literally is a mystery. Every time I watch this episode, I am glued to the screen, even though I know how it ends. Brent Spiner‘s performance, with the combination of the writing is phenomenal. You’re trying to figure out what is wrong with Data, and why he’s lying. What is going on? In my opinion, this is the best episode of season four as well. But again, this is my personal opinion. One last thing. You guys give a lot of credit to the Directors, rightly so. But this episode is all writing man. The plot the dialogue the twist and turns everything. I didn’t get to see who the writers were. I’d have to rewatch it again. But kudos to the writing staff. They did an amazing job.
Chris S.
2024-10-06 23:52:28 +0000 UTCMeanwhile the ships chronometer still would have to be messed with and reset again, and that will be obvious during the next maintenance cycle. And the plan wont change the differences between the crew measurements and their prior transporter traces.
Alan Thompson
2024-10-06 23:38:48 +0000 UTCWas gonna wrap up for the night. But now things have changed.
PIG
2024-10-06 23:11:54 +0000 UTCGuys! Please release these videos earlier in the day if you can. It's monday around 1am now here in central Europe and I have to work tomorrow .. uhm today.
Sam Langanke
2024-10-06 22:54:29 +0000 UTCA good episode, but due to the mystery aspect, it loses a lot after the first viewing. I still enjoy watching the cast (and especially Crusher) play detective about the missing time.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-10-06 22:49:44 +0000 UTCGonna have to wait a little while to watch. I'm watching football.
KatWithAttitude
2024-10-06 22:48:37 +0000 UTC
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