UNCUT REACTION - Game of Thrones S1E4 - Cripples, Bastards, and Broken Things
Added 2024-07-12 18:46:39 +0000 UTC
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You probably already noticed, but the intro credits scene shows locations that are in the given episode - I found that interesting. There are some limitations ofc, like at most 6 locations shown etc...
Ondrej K
2024-07-15 12:29:59 +0000 UTCDid is say Lyanna was betrothed to Sansa? what a goof, I met Robert. Thanks for the clarifications
paultardspambot .
2024-07-14 14:57:41 +0000 UTCWell, it is a hell of a finale π€π€
James Bottas
2024-07-13 19:45:25 +0000 UTCFirst 2 episodes didnβt perform well, but you never know, it could be 9 flops and then the finale could go off. Weβll see what happens.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-13 19:43:26 +0000 UTCI'm enjoying this a lot but already kind of doom watching because I fear you guys aren't going to continue passed the first season
James Bottas
2024-07-13 19:19:05 +0000 UTCMakes sense for Thorne to be a bastard name - is it though? I always thought just Flowers was used.
MertzRocks
2024-07-13 08:29:48 +0000 UTCRight. Father-by-Law, not father. Lyanna Stark was betrothed to Robert, not Sansa. Ned's Brother and Father were killed by MAd King Aerys after his son and heir Rhaegar made off with Lyanna Stark. Burning those two alive sparked the rebellion. Catelyn and Brandon were only betrothed - not yet married. I see one little spoiler - you mention something that has not been named yet. Not a big hairy deal tho... Just clarifying the clarifying lol. It'll all come to be background soon enough Josh... :D
MertzRocks
2024-07-13 08:24:49 +0000 UTCYes, he was a Targaryen supporter. Thorn DOES sound like it should be a bastard surname for The Reach (House Tyrell - roses), but was Highgarden always the seat of power for that Kingdom? House Tyrell were not always the top dogs there. Also, officially the Reach bastards are named Flowers. But Thorne def works!
MertzRocks
2024-07-13 08:11:51 +0000 UTCRegarding Thorne (The Nightβs Watch drill sergeant) - This never comes up in the show, but in the books he hates Jon because he fought for the Targaryens during Robertβs rebellion.
Matthew McKinnon-Gray
2024-07-13 05:16:33 +0000 UTCBy the way, checked out Midnight Mass on your recommendation and your absolutely right, it was brilliant.
paultardspambot .
2024-07-13 02:28:15 +0000 UTCJon Arryn was not Cat's father. He was her sister's husband.
Julie Carter
2024-07-13 01:55:18 +0000 UTCPosted last week
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-13 01:29:03 +0000 UTCwheres episode 3?
Mark Magana
2024-07-13 01:22:05 +0000 UTCTop tier Tyrion episode in just like a few scenes. As already mentioned by Tyrion in ep2 I think, most of the dudes on the Watch were criminals that were offered to take the black instead other punishments. If you look at the older dudes like Thorn, Lord Commander Mormont, or even Samwell, they were "unfit" heirs, second sons or disgraced nobility that took the Black to because they had no other prospects or to take themselves out of the line of succession. Same for Benjen Stark, as like 3rd in line to the Stark line, he had no prospects so he joined the Watch with a clear mind towards excelling there and I think he was actually a true believer. The various bastards of Westeros are given surnames that are usually a prominent feature of the region they hail from. So like Jon SNOW is from the north, a bastard of the Riverlands would be a RIVERS, etc. One I never thought about until this viewing was THORN, as in Alliser Thorn. That makes him a bastard of Highgarden and maybe even a highborn bastard considering he gets referred to as a knight, and that wouldn't be very attainable for a peasant. His distaste for Jon makes even more sense because at least Ned kept Jon around. I get the feeling Alliser got shipped off to the Watch fairly young because he was a walking reminder of someone's infidelity. He's still a dick but it makes me understand his seemingly disproportionate hated for Jon and even Sam. Just pure jealousy. Catelyn's father is the Lord Hoster Tully of the Riverlands, which is like the middle country. Catelyn is now a Stark of the North, married to Ned, the Warden of the North. She calls on the minor lords at the Inn who respect her father and remember that she is not only a Stark, but a Tully to boot. So they really had to step up. Also, everyone hates the Lannisters. **LORE DUMP NO SPOILERS** Ned's Father (Rickard) and Brother (Brandon) were killed by the old Targaryen King, Aerys II, "The Mad King". When the King's son Rhaegar kidnapped Ned's sister, Lyanna, Ned's father and brother, went to plead with the King Aerys for her release to avert a war. At this point the King was quite mad and instead he captured them and burned them alive in the middle of the Throne Room. This is what sparked the civil war that ended with Robert on the throne. Jamie told a bit of that story last ep I think, I love that little performance between Nikolaj and Sean, ssn1 has so many cool little 2-handers like that. Ned's brother Brandon was the heir to Winterfell and betrothed to Catelyn Tully, so when the King killed his father and brother, he not only became the Lord of the North, Ned chose to take on his brother's betrothal to Catelyn. in large part I think out of honor, but also because Robert and he needed to rally allies in their rebellion against the Targaryen's. So some of those dudes in the bar are sons of people who fought in the rebellion or if old enough may have fought in it directly. It's been like 20 years since I read the books but I think that is some context that is good to have as it all happened off screen and the bits they trickle into the show are sometimes hard to piece together when they are throwing so much at you.
James W.
2024-07-13 00:41:51 +0000 UTCOh, and of course at some point, when Ned was away at war, he came home with Jon Snow. One minor thing, I know in the books Catelyn is first married to Ned's older brother before he is killed early in the war and then marries Ned. Which makes some sense because she knew Ned from when he was in the Vale training and they presumably had a bit of romance, but the marriage to ned's older brother was political, not romantic, so it was a natural move to marry Ned. I'm not actually 100 percent sure they mentioned that in the show, I think it's possible they just don't bring up that detail, but maybe they did in like a blink and you miss it line? Anyway, irregardless, that's who Jon i and the relationships whic again has all been dropped in these first few episodes, but it's a lot to piece together from those conversations.
paultardspambot .
2024-07-12 23:57:59 +0000 UTCJon Arryn is the Lord of the Vale. He is the father of Catelyn, who married Ned's older brother. When the rebellion broke out on account of Aegon Targaryen running off with Sansa Stark who was engaged to Robert Baratheon, Baratheon, lord of the Stormlands, The Vale, and the North, DragonStone, and rebelled and were eventually joined by all the kingdoms except the westerlands who were the King's biggest supports till they turned on him at the end, the resulting siege of King's Landing by Baratheon after Tywin Lannister lowered the gates resulted in Jaime killing the mad king when he wanted to ignite the underground stocks of wildfire to burn everyone in the city. In the Aftermath, Robert was made king and engaged to Cersei. Ned's Older brother was killed in the war, presumably early on which lead to Ned becoming lord of the North and marrying Catelyn after her husband died which I guess is tradition. Ned, Littlefinger, and Catelyn spent time in the Vale when Ned was training with Jon Arryn. None of this spoilers, it's just clarifying things that have already been revealed in the first few episodes, but putting it all together can be tricky as this is all revealed over the course of various conversations and not in one central exposition dump, which is generally the way the mythology and story of this show is developed.
paultardspambot .
2024-07-12 23:53:50 +0000 UTCAlso, the North is the largest of the kingdoms of Westeros, taking up nearly a third of the continent. The southern third is where all the the other kingdoms are, nd the northern most third is the land beyond the wall. Marton was notoriously bad at distance scales. He originally said Westeros was roughly the size of South america but later realized that didn't make sense. About three times the size of the Island of Brittania makes more sense time wise, and fits with distances traveled. It's hard to estimate how big Essos is, But it's clearly very large, so we have to assume a lot of Danny's travel times just aren't shown. While the North is the largest, it's the least densely populated of the Kingdoms and the most "wild", so while Ned is the feudal lord of a huge realm, it's not as easy to control as say the crownlands.
paultardspambot .
2024-07-12 22:33:00 +0000 UTCI'm definitely in favor of you guys doing more then one a week. One thing about this show that I think people missed with travel times and such is scenes are shown in order that make dramatic sense, not necessarily exact chronological order, and you can't assume that every episode spans the same length of time. I think these are common assumptions going into a tv show, but since this show is adapting the books, which jump around to different characters, locations, and point of view with frequent flashbacks to things that happened earlier, while the narrative makes sense, I think treating everything as literally happening in the exact order its shown at the exact times is the incorrect take. Think of it more as a story that, for example, maybe a few episodes show different scenes taking place simultaneously, where another may show the begging of a journey that takes a long time, shows other things going on in other locations, and then cuts to the journey being over but several days might have passed., It's in best narrative order, not exact chronological order as some events are literally happening at the same time and the uneventful parts which are just "people walking for a long time in silence" or "Ned riding to King's landing" aren''t shown if they aren' eventul. So Ned can be saying he's going to King's ladning from Winterfell, and it actually takes weeks, but we're shown it as being instantaneous after seeing other things go on because nothing interesting or eventful happened during the journey. Later on if we want to get into arguments about geography and the unique physics of Plantos, we can.
paultardspambot .
2024-07-12 22:26:07 +0000 UTCThe story of Kings Landing is complicated and not expressly stated, but looking at this I can see in hindsight it was all there all the time but it was up to the audience to connect the dots. I think it must be the next episode in all starts to come into sharp focus.
Ken R
2024-07-12 22:23:32 +0000 UTCYou do not have to keep up with the exposition, it's ok. GRRM wrote the 'Song of Ice and Fire' series almost as mystery novels disguised as fantasy. First he sprinkles in some curious one liner, then later introduces connectable dots, and only much later will explicitly reveal and explain. The show manages to do this pretty expertly as well, as that's an integral joy of the books. If you don't keep up with all the exposition all the time you will still eventually know everything, just not as soon as you otherwise could have. PS. The show title sequence's clockwork sun isn't just pretty. The images on its rings depict what happened to the Mad King and why Robert is on the throne. Not a spoiler, just a detail.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-07-12 20:48:03 +0000 UTC19:00 Classic GoT sexposition.
Jovet
2024-07-12 20:25:12 +0000 UTC
