EARLY ACCESS - Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home is HILARIOUS & Heartwarming | NEW Star Trek fans Discuss
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Great review! The whole not knowing what the whales are saying to the space probe fits with the whole human arrogance theme. The arrogance of humans to think they are entitled to hunt to extinction a species that they think is inferior, only to realize too late that that species is what could have saved them. As Spock says earlier in the film: "Only human arrogance would assume that the message is meant for them." To the space probe, humans were beneath their notice; they were communicating long-distance with the whales. Of course the final message should be above the audience's heads and be a mystery. I imagine that the whales at the end said, "Don't kill them. They may have been stupid once, but this lot just brought us here, so there's hope!" :)
Rocket Robin Hood
2023-10-18 00:43:31 +0000 UTCI just realized something. You guys mentioned how it was possible that Back to the Future might have been an influence for the time travel portion of the story. This movie and BTTF are two films released within a year and a half apart from one another, and in both of them a dead Christopher Lloyd has his ride taken from him, where it's then used to go back in time to get some stuff done, and then brought back to the future. Mind you in Star trek, most of these events occur over two films, but it's basically the same.
saint sammy
2023-10-15 21:46:16 +0000 UTCMark Lenard played an interesting alien in an episode of Buck Rogers.
Geoffrey Linehan
2023-10-15 02:48:53 +0000 UTCSad but true. To all you apologists out there, saying, “Star Trek 5 is underrated,” or “Star Trek 5 isn’t that bad” . . . you’re lying to yourselves.
Tom Occhipinti
2023-10-14 01:05:15 +0000 UTCI have a strong theory that these guys are going to LOVE Final Frontier. Seriously. That movie is nothing but an episode of TOS with a budget. It will be right up their alley.
StonyD
2023-10-13 16:01:30 +0000 UTCI don't think anything like Malcom MacDowell ordering a big mac, fries, and large coke in that hilarious nasally voice would have quite worked in the star trek world, lol. It's also wild, I was a kid during this time, I LOVED time after time (David Warner going on to be the villain in literally all my favorite movies) but I never connected it to being at all like ST4.
Angelaina Marie
2023-10-13 13:48:07 +0000 UTCGlad you loved it. Hate to say it, but STV is gonna suck like an 8 pound Oreck ....
Shane Davis
2023-10-13 02:55:39 +0000 UTCMany think that Back To The Future inspired the time travel. But it was probably more the fact that Nick Meyer (co writer of this movie) had done a movie called Time After Time (which maybe you should do a reaction of someday) where H.G. Wells goes forward in time to stop Jack the Ripper who stole HG's Time Machine. I had read somewhere that a lot of the fish out of water gags that did not make TAT were used in trek 4.
Mike Rogers
2023-10-13 02:03:29 +0000 UTCThey didn't have that option back in the 80s. Plus Star Trek VI does have some subtle tie ins with the TNG seasons.(no spoilers) so it does make sense, in a way, to do it that way.
Steven Johnson
2023-10-13 01:41:42 +0000 UTCIt always seemed to me that Kirk's remark "they're still using money" just referred to hard cash as opposed to electronic credits. Certainly not that there wasn't some medium of exchange in the future.
James H
2023-10-13 01:25:47 +0000 UTCWalter Koenig once said "you scream once, you're a screamer forever." He screamed a couple of times in TOS, then in three or the four movies!
tyranusfan
2023-10-13 01:18:43 +0000 UTCIt's important to remember that these movies only form a trilogy after the fact. They never set out to make a trilogy, there was no three movie deal. Nowadays they sign contracts to do trilogies from the get-go. Star Trek films were made one at a time, and the next one was only greenlit after the current one made money. They easily could have pulled the plug after Wrath of Khan if it had not been a success. 3, 4, and 5 were very much written as "what happened last time? Okay let's do this next."
tyranusfan
2023-10-13 01:11:38 +0000 UTCI always assumed there was still an economy, and that money meant cash-currency. You still get paid for your time, and if you go to say... A certain southern-themed restaurant in 'Frisco you use credits to pay for the services of the staff there, and yes, also for the fact that a lot of other races, well into the 24th Century, still have some kind of currency. It only makes sense. I mean, yeah, you do have this post-scarcity economy, but that can't entirely exist in a vacuum. What about land and property. how is that decided? How does Kirk have an apartment. At least, that's how I always interpreted "we don't use money" and jived it with the references to "credits" in TOS. by the time of TNG it might be completely abolished.
Steven Johnson
2023-10-13 01:02:53 +0000 UTCThanks! We think sticking strictly to release order is best. That is why we are starting TNG now. We will get to experience Star Trek in the order fans did when it was releasing.
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-10-12 23:53:50 +0000 UTCI am glad I joined your patreon the day and I love your reactions. Now I know you are watching the movies in release order in conjunction i guess with TNG but I think that is strange.....Kirks crew is 80 years before TNG so not sure why you wouldn't just watch the other 2 movies of TOS first. Either way I love your reactions.
Heather M Santell
2023-10-12 23:31:40 +0000 UTCI would assume the crew gets those to be able to trade on non-federation worlds.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-10-12 23:23:08 +0000 UTCI'm from Iowa myself, and I have been accused of having my head in the clouds.
KatWithAttitude
2023-10-12 23:16:47 +0000 UTC“I’m from Iowa, I just work in outer space” is the most lol line in Star Trek, probably because it’s so true..
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-10-12 23:13:21 +0000 UTCIt would have been funny if like Gillian had stayed in the past she’d marry a man named Cochrane and had a grandson named Zefram..oops
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-10-12 23:11:12 +0000 UTCThey do mention using credits in TOS, especially in Tribbles, but it isn't all that clear how they're used.
KatWithAttitude
2023-10-12 23:08:01 +0000 UTCI always wondered if Gillian's colleagues on Earth thought she killed herself. She just disappears without a trace after driving away from the Institute in a rage after finding out the whales were gone.
KatWithAttitude
2023-10-12 22:59:50 +0000 UTCThe "no money" thing simply makes sense. In their time Earth has basically unlimited energy sources, and with the replicator and unlimited energy you can basically create any material and any objectout of thin air at any time. If you no longer have scarcity, then there's really no need to maintain a money based economy. And for anything the federation still trades for with outsiders, they can use their own resouces and products.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-10-12 22:49:45 +0000 UTCStar Trek IV was the most successful of the original cast films in terms of ticket sales, largely because many people went to watch it who were not Star Trek fans. It was more relatable because of the 1980's setting and the comedy. Hard to do a 2 hour film and give the audience everything it wants from the characters in 1 film. With a series, you can do that by spreading things out over a season (or more). But like you both noted, they gave us something over the course of these 4 films that together are like watching continuing TOS episodes. Shatner is as good (or better) a comedic actor as he is a dramatic one. Airplane 2 is largely not worth watching, but seeing his over-the-top performance makes it worth a look.
Collin Freeman
2023-10-12 21:22:39 +0000 UTC
