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😔😤 LET’S ARGUE! 😤😔 (August 2025 Thread)

Thank you so much for supporting us this month! Now's that magical time when you hit us with your HOT TAKES, UNPOPULAR OPINIONS, and TOUGH QUESTIONS; drop em down in the comments WHENEVER YOU WANT and we'll look through them all in a couple of weeks. LET'S GO!

In case you missed July's episode going over the best & worst albums of the year so far: https://www.patreon.com/posts/lets-argue-best-136078232

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Smash is one of THE greatest punk albums ever released. Every track is at least good, and there are a lot of album tracks like Genocide, Nitro and Something to Believe In that are just as good as the iconic singles. Sure, Offspring eventually turned into a parody of themselves, but so did Johnny Rotten and people still celebrate the Sex Pistols’ overrated debut.

Machine Gun Philly

Proof?

holybuble

Is Model/Actriz too gay for alternative heads?

holybuble

Sleepy Brown doesn’t get enough credit when talking OutKast success

Drake Parker

Clipse and The Knife have more in common than people would like to think Both are sibling music duos Both have peak albums from 2006 Both of their best albums are arguably the most recent ones Both have solo projects that are inconsistent but have very high peaks Both are highly respected in their respective genres Both are a little underrated for younger music listeners Both involve being on drugs to fully appreciate

Kyle Cahill

Let My Children Hear Music > Mingus Ah Um despite the contextual importance it has for post bop etc. also gonna need a Mingus classic review from you even if it only gets 1k views. Much love.

Myles

Why did I have to get into Godspeed you black emperor the same week they took all their music off streaming 😢

Ivan cesareo

I’m open to replies and further discussion on this topic and would also invite those who disagree into this conversation I’m just curious as to what y’all think about this

Zachary Girard

While I am appreciative of the efforts of GY!BE, Xiu Xiu, Deerhoof, King Gizzard, etc. to boycott Spotify by removing their music from the platform, I’m not convinced this approach will be effective enough to incite any meaningful change on the platform or any other major streaming service for that matter The perceived issue at play here is what I think is a constant for many current-day resistance efforts, which is an overall lack of organized resistance Social media polarization over the past decade has discouraged much meaningful discussion and opportunities for consensus and collectivization regarding certain social ills In the case of streaming services, this could mean (e.g.) there not being enough artists on Spotify who will bother understanding the urgency of addressing the platform’s misconduct regarding its royalties (and the lack thereof), or the millions Daniel Ek is pouring into the military industrial complex at the expense of artists’ dividends This could then mean there not being a great enough number of artists leaving the platform to make Spotify any less profitable and any more willing to give artists their fair share I feel like all this could then result in the homogenization of the music streaming market; that is, following the assumption that the biggest and/or the most socially unengaged artists will remain on the platform while everyone else disembarks And yeah, buying directly from artists indeed is great for them, but there’s a reason why Napster came to be what it was for its time I’m not convinced your average music listener, whatever they might be into, will be the most wiling to buy physical copies of every record they wish to consume It’s unfortunately too expensive and might bring people to get back to bootlegging their favourite records again, which we all know isn’t the most favourable outcome for artists who are already not being adequately compensated for their work

Zachary Girard

Also to add insult to injury method man and red man have better chemistry than ghostface and raekwon.

Tom Waterson

The best album to come out of a wu tang member after 36 chambers is Method man and red man’s Blackout. I prefer the catchy production and hooks to a lot of songs off supreme clientele or Cuban links. Not to mention a lot of funny moments and amazing one liner’s that are ingrained in my brain now. This album got left out of the convo.

Tom Waterson

Also tbh it’s unhyped I need to see my investments in shrimp tech enterprises go up

The People’s Republic Of Post Punk

Brown Sugar really could’ve been one of the Stones’ best songs if it weren’t for the lyrics🫩

patrick

There should be a grammy for best music video. Especially considering there's one for packaging. It's such a dying art form that it would be nice if it was acknowledged in some way, even though I know it probably wouldn't have changed much.

Filip KaÅŗmierczak

Stan twitter or just stans of a specific artist in general are the worst types of people when it comes to music discourse. Rather than merely uplifting their fave, they nearly always have the incessant need to bring another artist down whilst doing so. It’s become so annoying and I believe some of them truly think that the concept of appreciating more than one artist is absurd.

max

Holy shit

Tuck

The discourse around ā€œit’s not that deepā€ when consuming or reviewing music has gotten to the point of being obnoxious and gatekeeping, whether it’s aimed at Taylor Swift fans who buy 20 vinyl to make a fake clock or Tyler, The Creator chastising fans on twitter for analyzing DTTG. I think most artists want their fans to take their music seriously and engage with it on personal level, yet if you try to do this with ā€œbasicā€ music you’re reaching too far. But if you’re critical of music that doesn’t have deeper meanings then you’re pretentious? It’s the opinions that aren’t that deep, not the music.

Josh Brown

Tame Impala ISN'T actually just one guy

Trevor Young

I’m also just curious to see if the two albums you ranked above it have also grown (Forever Story and De Todas) on you or cave world just grew on you so much that it surpassed them

The People’s Republic Of Post Punk

Suicide boys new album ā€œThy Kingdom Comeā€, is there best album yet to date. Both Scrim and Ruby’s performances lyrically and production wise are getting better and better with each release. The newest one shows Scrim expanding on their typical production with inclusions of diverse and creative beats and flows. The lyrics in typical suicideboys fashion talk about suicide, drug abuse, etc… but expands on how both of them are reflecting and feeling being a couple years into sobriety and how even with or without the drugs there is still struggle and pain. With lines on the outro song ā€œMonochromaticā€, ā€œI’m outta hope, Just another oddly trope, I’m familiar with slipping in that downward slope, Untied the rope, I stopped snorting all that dopeā€

Alec

Expensive goal

The People’s Republic Of Post Punk

In an age where social media has made interactions and discourse more accessible, music discourse has become its most toxic and annoying because of it

Ian Kim

Machine Gun Philly

Feel free to not read my post in the video for time’s sake. I tried condensing it as much as I can without the point being lost or altered in any way. To preface, my age, region of the U.S. that I live in, and my direct environment may have led me to this false narrative I perceive to be true, but even if so, I’d still like to be filled in on why my perception is wrong. As someone who has only very recently listened to them for the first time and is learning about them, is there a reason (or number of reasons) why ICP has almost fallen in the cracks of time, and are sort of a ā€œbygoneā€ musical act? By this I mean, it seems like finding online musical discussions (hip-hop or otherwise), that bring them up in terms of their historical musical contributions/significance is scarce, and I don’t know anybody in real life that listens to them (especially my age of 24), let alone even know who they were/are. Is the lack of representation in 2025, purely due to the culture of the group that surrounds the music itself, or is it other factors that I’m not aware of that have led to this phenomenon? I wouldn’t believe it has to do with content matter, cause plenty of raunchy hip-hop exists (shining example from around the same time as ICP: Eminem) and that hasn’t stopped people from continuing to listen to them. I also wouldn’t believe it would have to do the generation gap. I’m 24. Plenty of younger people listen to old 90s and 2000s music (specifically hip-hop in this case; again, Eminem as a shining example for this point as well), but not one that I know personally listens to ICP and may not even know who or what ICP is. I’d appreciate your insight and thank you for the content

Josh Miles

Amen. So mid.

Monkeydudem

In Rainbows is a better album than Ok Computer. Fitter Happier in the age of AI voice over short form content is unbearable. Skippiest skip that has ever skipped.

Monkeydudem

Redux review of Cave world is needed. You have mentioned at least three times this year of the regretted score. Also the fact that it only ranked three on your year end list but it seems to have grown and stuck a lot more than any album for you that came out that year

The People’s Republic Of Post Punk

Ms.Lauryn Hill is a Top 5 Artist of all Time

Leo

TURNSTILE’S ā€œNEVER ENOUGHā€ is a lot better than ā€œGLOW ONā€. Glow on is a good album but never enough feels a lot more focused and has better/more interestingly written songs. Glow on feels more like a collection of songs rather than an album.

Noah Garcia

All Things Must Pass is not just on par with the best Beatles albums, it’s my personal favorite Beatles or Beatles-adjacent project. While obviously not as experimental or groundbreaking as those prior records, it’s just as if not more consistently great track to track and an extremely rewarding listening experience; George just shows complete songwriting mastery on this album. It also happens to be one of the greatest ā€œfuck youā€s in Music history.

Zedron

Ranking Zappa by his styles / eras: 1. Jazz Fusion Zappa 2. Prog Zappa 3. Psych Zappa 4. Classical Zappa 5. Doo-Wop Zappa 6. Comedy Zappa -300. The synth cheese that is "Jazz From Hell"

Herbieguy

AI is going to produce a psychic rejection of musical perfectionism on albums and singles. Those who are indie music aligned will become more inclined towards emotionally authentic but imperfect performances. The age of the Bedroom indie artist who doesn't do shows will be over. Guitar rock will make some sort of a comeback because synth heavy music might is easily co-opted by AI...but just as this return to 1980s era-styled post-hardcore revival occurs, an AI MAGA styled rapping chatbot will do a military coup against President Rock Johnson.

Leonard

people criticising albums like Stankonia (or even more recently GNX) for being "too commercial" or "for the normies" are the actual normies and they're just being filtered out cause how the hell do you listen to an album with Snappin & Trappin, Toilet Tisha, We Love Deez Hoes, etc. and come to that conclusion...? literally their wildest album lol

AllOverAgain

Will you do a Redux review of Cal's Mixtape since it does turn 10 years old this year? Pretty sure Cal been patiently waiting for his Redux review by now

Katzura_da

What’s the interview your most proud of?

Skullring27

Rare tough question here! I remember you mentioning that you weren't planning on listening to Vultures 2 when it came out, but it was on your worst albums list for last year. What made you listen? Was it a sense of curiosity or was it necessity?

Corey the music fan

For as near-perfect as Let God Sort Em Out is musically, the album cover is sort of meh.

Tuck

"What a Wonderful World" has been used ironically for years, either by people doing a throaty Louis Armstrong impression or coupling it with footage of people acting savagely towards each other, but it's still a sublime, gorgeous song filled with genuine love and longing

bressig

John Lennon had never written a song better than here comes the sun. Maybe some as good as but not better

Htkkk

The negative attitudes that used to be associated with preferring more older music than current releases is beginning to shrink. It’s not to say it will ever go away completely but you’re getting more music listeners that honestly could care less about how old a piece of music is as long as its quality for what it’s aiming to be depending on the genre. Timeless music will be Timeless.

Zach Stolpa

By The Way is the Chili Peppers’ best album. It’s more consistent and better produced than Californication, less overlong than Stadium f***ing Arcadium, and better than anything they’ve made recently by a mile. It also DOESN’T have a 9 minute song about Antony Kiedis’ semen so I think it should bump Blood Sex Sugar Magik too.

Machine Gun Philly

Fans of live music should strive to see at least 10 shows a year (personally, this year I'm trying to break my record of 9 shows). If your music tastes are wide enough, you can overcome financial restrictions and settle for less expensive tickets to the artists you want to see, assuming some of those artists are not huge pop stars who are charging triple digits for the worst seats.

TheSupremeChozorizo

Nineties indie pop was peak. Bands like The Magnetic Fields, Belle & Sebastian, Yo La Tengo, Jonathan Richman, Tiger Trap, The Softies, Saint Etienne, Teenage Fanclub, and Heavenly were putting out some of the best alternative music ever made in such a short span of time.

BlueZones


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