😤 LET’S ARGUE! 😤 (September 2023 Thread)
Added 2023-09-06 19:13:08 +0000 UTCBumping just cause there's not been as many responses as usual, so ICYMI:
Thank you so much for all your support this month! Last month we AGREED and it was fun but we aren't doing that weak shit this time. Hit us with your HOT TAKES, UNPOPULAR OPINIONS, and TOUGH QUESTIONS down in the comments right now! We'll look through them all in like a week; I wanna get back in a routine where I'm posting the episodes closer to the middle of the month blah blah blah. Let's go!
In case you missed last month's LET'S AGREE: https://www.patreon.com/posts/its-been-while-88560324
Comments
Pineapple on pizza is NOT BAD
CraziestBoyEver
2023-09-27 02:00:36 +0000 UTCBongos is sonically better than WAP. WAP was only a big deal because of the video and the song pissing off right wing media critics
Drake Parker
2023-09-26 04:21:53 +0000 UTCnow that pc music announced it will be ceasing operations after its 10 year run, what's your overall assessment on the label and its impact on the broader musical landscape?
jeff
2023-09-25 03:45:46 +0000 UTCFather John Misty is a green flag
LittleCreamSoda
2023-09-24 22:25:03 +0000 UTCA band name is surprisingly irrelevant to their chances of success. If the music's great, the cream will rise to the top and they will find their audience and critical acclaim. If the "Butthole Surfers" can become a household name, anything goes. I think if ''the Smiths'' went with their first draft and called themselves ''the Walking Wounded", they'd be just as legendary today. A band name should be fun and memorable and musicians shouldn't overthink it.
Hendrix
2023-09-24 17:24:46 +0000 UTCJohn Cena’s You Can’t See Me should be considered for a classic review
Drake Parker
2023-09-20 21:16:43 +0000 UTCThis, I literally turn the song off after the first bar.
Squanto
2023-09-20 09:51:55 +0000 UTCThe vast majority of the population just wants a nice melody to listen to in the background of whatever they’re doing. Some genres/artists are just never going to meet this requirement.
Squanto
2023-09-20 09:46:56 +0000 UTCThe one hit wonder is slowly dying along with the music video and it's a crying shame. One hit wonders can offer a lot of playful and fun tracks to the musical year (for example: La Macarena, Crush, Torn) and they're dying in the era of the big business and calculated music industry. I came of age in the late '90s where MTV was dominated by one hit wonder music videos. They were often cynically marketed by the good looks of their female singer but nowadays a song like the Cardigans' Lovefool wouldn't break through into popular consciousness. And we're all the worse for it. Do you miss fun one hit wonders and why do you think they went the way of the dodo? What were some of your favorite one hit wonders when you were young?
Hendrix
2023-09-19 02:14:44 +0000 UTCSufjan Stevens' Silver and Gold is a great Christmas album. It's a shame more indie artists don't release more christmas records to counterbalance the stuffy and cheesy christmas 'standards' by Bing Crosby, etc. Low, Aimee Mann and Sufjan prove that you can make a down to earth and cool christmas album in the modern era that you actually want to spin to make the holiday bearable. Sufjan reminds us that spirituality can be a good thing, it doesn't have to be about organized religion.
Hendrix
2023-09-19 02:03:56 +0000 UTCXiu Xiu's "Mary Turner Mary Turner" is the Texas Chainsaw Massacre of music. I don't scary easily but Girl with a Basket of Fruit truly contains some of the most harrowing sounds and lyrics ever put to music. It's a great piece of art because it doesn't exist purely for shock value: Mary Turner portrays the horror of a slavery era lynching vividly to rub people's nose in the horror of our actual recent history as a so called "civilized society". I wish more art would sacrifice commercial appeal to make bold and brave statements like this.
Hendrix
2023-09-19 01:56:54 +0000 UTCHappier Than Ever wasn’t a sophomore slump. One of the big reasons the album wasn’t as big as her debut, was because most of the mainstream music audience had their sights set on other popular music at the time; such as Sour and Fearless (Taylor’s Version). It also didn’t help that it was released in the middle of the Donda/CLB pandemonium. While you can make the valid criticism that the production may not be as adventurous and otherworldly as her debut, I still think it is a great sophomore album and shows the maturity and coming of age for Billie excellently, and is the furthest thing from a sophomore slump.
Drake Parker
2023-09-18 21:31:47 +0000 UTCI think the newer and generally shortened format of songs has finally and fundamentally altered the way I perceive music. Even 4 to 6 minute tracks now seem like they last forever, and it's a strange and jarring feeling to realize how that feels when I look back and see it's only been about 5 minutes when it seems it has been going on for an inordinately long amount of time. I still love longer songs and older music that I know is long-form, but when I discover new music or artists with longer songs now it seems like a much lengthier, more challenging experience than it used to. Is this a bad thing and do I just have ADHD lol?
adscrypt
2023-09-18 14:38:37 +0000 UTCSo I went back to Type O Negative's early stuff and there's some yikesy takes on the first album attacking people on welfare and they were carried as Goth but we all know you can't be goth and have conservative trash takes like that , so do you think they should be discredited as goth?
Caspa
2023-09-17 11:37:42 +0000 UTCTough Question - Could we get Tom Waits album Tier list?
Jim 🤘
2023-09-16 12:06:49 +0000 UTCBlu is an all-time talent and needs to be considered in the top 10-5 conversation for rappers. He is truly in a league of his own as a lyricist, the only similar artists before him I could compare his style/level of mastery to are rappers like Nas and Jay Z. He also works with some of the best producers in the world, mainly Exile, who deserves his own conversation about being an all time elite producer. With any producer he’s always either creating a chill song with classic west coast flows telling you how he’s the greatest and most under-appreciated MC or writing an incredibly meaningful dissection of a topic like religion or politics. Even the less talked about records in his back catalog have unique, impressive, and even experimental tracks to dig through. Blu is a rapper anyone should be able to enjoy to some capacity, he simply makes it look easy. If you’re a real hip hop fan he deserves be in your top 15 best all time or at least your top 5 most underrated all time
John Tatara
2023-09-16 05:49:28 +0000 UTCThis is actually so true, I did a Big Thief karaoke and an Everything Everything karaoke the other day and it was so fun
Tuck
2023-09-14 04:26:26 +0000 UTCWe are living through a karaoke Renaissance right now. With the advancements in AI vocal removal technology and people having a ton of free time over lockdown, THOUSAND of new karaoke tracks have been made for FREE by enthusiasts who were sick of hearing the same old top 40 songs at their local karaoke bar (posted on YT or file sharing in karaoke creator discords). I personally have made tracks for Alex Cameron, Blood Orange, Royal Headache, AJJ, Dorian Electra, 100 Gecs etc. that sound amazing haha. I think artists should be putting out karaoke videos of their own music. There is huge demand for it. If you haven't gone to karaoke in a while, go and check out how massive the song selection has become!
Javier Mendoza
2023-09-13 20:36:25 +0000 UTCWhich pop star should collab with David Tibet?
Uncle Jam
2023-09-13 19:52:05 +0000 UTCHot take: Broken is better than anything NIN made before or afterwards, only rivaled by TDS and maybe The Fragile.
Machine Gun Philly
2023-09-13 17:24:34 +0000 UTCWith Teeth is ever so slightly a better album than The Downward Spiral, and Right Where it Belongs is probably the most psychologically harrowing track in the NIN discography
Dash
2023-09-13 17:14:38 +0000 UTCElliott Smith is a criminally underrated guitar player who should be held in the same regard as Jimi Hendrix, and I wish more music channels on YouTube like Rick Beato or Adam Neely would talk about his playing and approach to songwriting. I believe they and everybody who hasn't heard of him are missing out.
Christian Tom
2023-09-13 15:44:34 +0000 UTCMusicians aren't unionized though, so there is nothing stopping "scabs" from instantly taking advantage of the lack of release music to get tons of attention.
NevadaNate
2023-09-13 15:19:24 +0000 UTCThe Downward Spiral could be a 10/10 if you remove Big Man With A Gun and replace it with the song Burn (from the Natural Born Killers soundtrack). While I love the energy and overall production of Big Man With A Gun, the downright absurd lyrics don't really fit neatly or thematically with the rest of TDS.
Doku
2023-09-13 13:59:28 +0000 UTCPost hardcore/Metalcore is still going extremely strong and Mellon refuses to cover a large swath of them: ERRA, Periphery, Dayseeker, Currents, Invent Animate, Monuments, Secrets, Caskets, Hail The Sun, Dance Gavin Dance, Eidola, The Devil Wears Prada, etc etc etc; I could go on and on. Newer bands like Vacant Voice, Straight Shot Home, I Met A Yeti are popping up too that are keeping the subgenre(s) fresh. WHY MELLON, WHY?!?! I get you threw us the smallest bone with SeeYouSpaceCowboy but you really should get more into/cover these bands. Just cuz Warped Tour died doesn’t mean the genres are dead 🙃
Matt Oliver
2023-09-13 12:20:54 +0000 UTCSaying "The Beatles are bad" because it's trendy or non-conformist is really annoying and overdone
Benjamin Lisboa
2023-09-13 10:42:54 +0000 UTCyou should review more albums from outside the western music industry (USA/UK)
Xavier Lago
2023-09-13 06:37:59 +0000 UTCi fear that much like the film industry has stifled the mid-budget comedy, the music industry has stifled the mid-horny hit. like where is the zz top, the def lepperd, the van halen, the whitesnake of this era. yes granted the horny gap has been closed by other genres (munches and dogtooth havers rise up, and horny house as a genre continues to knock it out of the park, among many others), but the lyrics are often too clearly and obviously horny. i find myself missing that sweet middle ground of big anthemic sound that’s a little cheesy and is both somewhat subtle and catchy fun enough to sing out loud to, but suggestively horny enough that you’d think twice about doing so in front of your parents. caroline polachek’s so hot you’re hurting my feelings definitely got it, and wet leg’s chaise long too, but damn it - where is this era’s pour some sugar on me!!!!
Cat
2023-09-13 05:41:21 +0000 UTCBefore their hiatus, Slowdive made the best album trilogy. "Souvlaki" is a beloved classic, but I think the other two albums are just as good (if not better). Anyone going on RYM and only listening to their 2nd album is missing out on some masterpieces!
Christopher Cassara
2023-09-13 05:35:46 +0000 UTClibres y locos by el gran silencio is one of the greatest Mexican albums of all time. It’s combination of norteño and cumbia music with rock, hip hop, and ska blazes the trail for how to combine traditional music of any culture with more modern sounds, and how to do it in a way that truly celebrates music itself.
Foxx Navarro
2023-09-13 04:11:44 +0000 UTCI personally prefer Toxicity, but the self-titled definitely gets slept on by lots of people who seem to prefer Mezmerize and Hypnotize. I'd say the self-titled is a decent chunk better than both of those albums
Self-Aware Onion
2023-09-11 04:47:29 +0000 UTCZack de la Rocha should be included in GOAT conversations. He's one of the best lyricists in both Rap and Metal, he has a unique voice and charisma on the mic, and Rage's catalog contains multiple classics.
Self-Aware Onion
2023-09-11 04:44:14 +0000 UTC"Speeding Bullet to Heaven" walked so that "How Do You Sleep at Night?" could run
Alex Sim
2023-09-09 16:01:04 +0000 UTCWhen Sean Kingston sings "We can go to the tropics, sip pina coladas - shorty I could take you there" and "Or we can go to the slum, where killers get hung - shorty I could take you there" it sounds like there is a VERY clear choice here. Like who is Sean dating, Bear Grylls? Yeah, I'll take "not getting murdered" for $1500, thanks.
Machine Gun Philly
2023-09-09 06:45:20 +0000 UTCLateralus isn't an enjoyable album to listen to because none of the songs seem to dynamically play with eachother. It just doesn’t feel like any of the songs on it were meant to be played back to back on an album
man door hand hook car door
2023-09-08 01:20:00 +0000 UTCThe early 2000s (specifically 2000-2007) is one of the best eras in all of music. It was a perfect storm, in which so many great genres for the time were peaking. You had post rock hitting a peak with albums like Skinny Fists, All of A Sudden I Miss Everyone, etc. You also had amazing rap music from Jay Z to Kanye to DOOM, amazing house records like Discovery and Cross, and mainstream rock and metal was still good with artists like SOAD, White Stripes, The Strokes, Tool, and more. Also, experimental / electronic music was incredible because it was at a time where technological advancements in music were making the music sound so fresh and ahead of its time while also still having that human element to it (perfect example - Donuts by J Dilla), but not to a point where it just sounded like a computer making music. An absolutely amazing period for music!
Hogan99
2023-09-07 18:15:14 +0000 UTCGrunge will eventually be regarded as the most essential, beloved genre in rock. 50 years from now, it will be not only the last commercially dominant era of rock, it will be socially and politically relevant, and Nirvana and Pearl Jam are only going to grow more popular and beloved with time with a dozens of popular hits and, importantly, iconic videos that personalize the bands to future generations. Add in Soundgarden and Alice In Chain's dominance over metal, plus the fact that music nerds AND audiences love alternative rock, you basically have a genre perfectly steeped in both rock and underground music that can satisfy pop, rock, and metal fans who will eventually disregard musicians who are anti-feminist, homophobic, racist, and date under-aged girls - all of which grunge bands are entirely innocent of. The stage is set for grunge to be the ultimate representation of rock for future generations.
Machine Gun Philly
2023-09-07 18:02:30 +0000 UTCKGLW releases too many albums. There, I said it. Imagine how good of an album they could put out if they spent a year or two working on one album, rather than workshopping multiple ideas at a time.
Ethan Gallagher
2023-09-07 15:48:07 +0000 UTCWhen it’s all said and done, Metro Boomin will be more influential to hip hop production than Kanye
Drake Parker
2023-09-07 08:27:06 +0000 UTCAre there any “what if’s?” In music history that you like to ponder on? Let’s say beyond “what if *insert artist here* didn’t die”. I think one that stands out is “what if chance the rapper just didn’t release the big day?”
Zach Stolpa
2023-09-07 00:42:25 +0000 UTCImagine dragons are the Nickleback of the 2010’s
Zach Stolpa
2023-09-07 00:39:04 +0000 UTCI think overrated is more appropriate cause I don’t think I’ve ever come across someone who outright said they think the beetles aren’t good.
Zach Stolpa
2023-09-07 00:37:24 +0000 UTCComparisons between artists across points in time (___ is the ____ of this generation) are reductive forms of flattery.
EasyBakeCoven
2023-09-06 23:33:44 +0000 UTCAlternative Country and Bluegrass is a slept on genre. If you dig below the mainstream you can find artists such as: Garden Party, Molly Tuttle and many others
Kai (From KaisTestKitchen)
2023-09-06 22:07:03 +0000 UTCSaying the Beatles aren't good has become an annoying take
Benjamin Lisboa
2023-09-06 21:53:54 +0000 UTCExcluding experimental/instrumental groups (Swans, Sigur Ros, etc.) if you can’t play at least one song by an artist to a room full of people and have them casually enjoy it, then they aren’t truly a great artist. Great music can speak to anyone; “good” artists only cater to their niche. I know you’re likely to disagree with this sentiment - but I bet you’ll have a hard time finding an exception!
Machine Gun Philly
2023-09-06 21:19:36 +0000 UTCIf Sampha was more active and online, he’d be in the same convo with Frank (in terms of artistry, cult following, etc)
Alex Sim
2023-09-06 21:03:11 +0000 UTCPlanet of the Bass should have been covered on a weekly track roundup, it's one of the best parody tracks to have dropped in a long while.
Colin Devereaux
2023-09-06 20:44:04 +0000 UTCSeptember 17th is the most important date in history and we should all observe it as a nation (its my birthdayy)
membertatooine
2023-09-06 20:39:19 +0000 UTCMusic is better than cookies
Jules Pearce
2023-09-06 20:29:54 +0000 UTCTrivium had no more than two decent albums.
Scrub
2023-09-06 20:09:12 +0000 UTCif you could take one vinyl record from your collection and be burried with it, which one would it be?
Danu Jackson
2023-09-06 19:54:59 +0000 UTCIf You're Reading This It's Too Late is an extremely overrated project, beats that sound too similar to each other, like three or four really good songs, and Jungle's bass drum is very grating (to my ears at least)
Christian Sharp
2023-09-06 19:52:23 +0000 UTCThe toxic gossip train is what we would have gotten if Mark Kozelek had actually addressed the accusations against him
Joseph Ozuna
2023-09-06 19:34:31 +0000 UTCNo One Knows might be the biggest banger on Songs For The Deaf but it genuinely feels out of place to me. Just about every other track is this pounding, fast paced desert rock but, second track in, we have this "doo doobie doo doo doobie doo" singalong.
Office Policy
2023-09-06 19:33:45 +0000 UTCWhenever someone says *insert music genre here* is a bunch of noise, I look at them funny. Yeah, ALL music is just noise?.. Some music is just arranged/written better than others. So it isn’t just noise, it’s not ya cup of tea sweetie. And that’s okay, because someone else might not enjoy something you do & the trend continues.
Adrian Vargas
2023-09-06 19:25:30 +0000 UTCIt is near impossible for an album to be 15+ tracks and be a 10/10 record. There have been a TON of records that I have listened to that would have been an easy 10 had it not been for 2 or 3 tracks that should have been left off the record entirely, and the more songs you have on a record the more likely that is to happen
TheBaseballFur
2023-09-06 19:21:04 +0000 UTCOn the topic of separating art from the artist: if their personal drama/shittiness begins affecting the quality and content of their work in a negative way, then that artist clearly doesn't want you to separate their work from them, and it's time to stop consuming their work because their work is now just as shitty as them. Examples: Red Hot Chili Peppers releasing "Catholic School Girls Rule," Tory Lanez releasing "Daystar," Ronnie Radke releasing any Falling in Reverse song. Even Daughters, who you mentioned recently, can be retroactively seen as an admission of abusive tendencies now when before it just seemed like psychological horror fiction
bressig
2023-09-06 19:20:59 +0000 UTCIn light of WGA/SAG strikes, musicians can & should strike too. Specifically against the likes of Spotify, Apple, and so on. Those companies play the same role as the major Hollywood studios -- essentially distributing the product and taking control of financial / IP ownership. If actors & writers can stand together to demand fair wages, I think musical artists can also withhold their work to demand better compensation. The two industries mirror each other pretty closely -- hoping the music world takes note.
Trevor Young
2023-09-06 19:20:17 +0000 UTCSystem Of A Down’s self-titled is their best album
adamlatif
2023-09-06 19:17:51 +0000 UTCDavid Bowie's "Tonight" isn't nearly as bad as people say it is. There's some very good songs on there, and the Reggae experiments were at the very least an interesting idea. In the grand scheme of '80s duds by 70s artists', there's certainly much worse out there.
Herbieguy98
2023-09-06 19:17:35 +0000 UTCI think that country music as a whole is slept on because of how obnoxious and overplayed a lot of 2000's party country and beach country is. People ignore it entirely or say that they don't like it, not knowing that other country really exists.
FuturisticPat
2023-09-06 19:17:24 +0000 UTCForever by drake is a classic but there isn’t a single good verse in the song
Griffin
2023-09-06 19:17:16 +0000 UTCFuck/ Marry/ Kill: Marvin Gaye- I Heard It Through The Grapevine Creedence Clearwater Revival- I Heard It Through The Grapevine The Slits- I Heard It Through The Grapevine
Tuck
2023-09-06 19:15:10 +0000 UTC
