Nebula or Patreon?
Added 2023-05-16 01:30:43 +0000 UTCLet me begin by stating that you don't ever need to write to me apologizing for no longer being able to afford my or anyone's Patreon. I'm grateful for your support but I am not entitled to it, and if ever there is a YouTuber or content creator who sees their line going down and crows that they will have to stop uploading their priceless creations if they don't get more Patreon bux and tries to guilt you into giving them your money, then they are garbage and you should promptly throw them in the trash.
With that in mind, even with Nebula's direct support we still rely mostly on Patreon for day to day expenses, as despite the misinformation that other human trash cans have put forth that I won't link here, I do still have several full time employees who all need a) salaries b) health insurance. Problem with the Nebula integration with the single tier was that it restricted the amount people could donate, even if they wanted to do more than the minimum, they still have to choose a "tier" and as I only have one tier, suffice to say this Patreon has been on a pretty steady decline ever since the Nebula integration. Therefore, I'm raising our one and only tier from $2/month to $4/month. I understand that this might be an inconvenience to many especially in these increasingly stressful financial times, so if you feel like this is too steep to keep subscribing on a regular basis, I completely understand.
But this brings me to another question I see a lot: Nebula is a little bit more expensive than my Patreon (4.99/month compared to $4/month) so the question is, if you want to see my video content, which should you subscribe to?
The answer this depends on what you're in it for--aside from my old videos which are are Patreon-only and bad and I do not recommend, isn't all of my video content on Nebula? Well, no--as of right now only Nebula originals that are a part of my contract go onto Nebula, and those are always going to be video essays in the traditional sense. Any other video content (like the short doc I made about researching Truth of the Divine during the pandemic) are Patreon-only--pretty much anything relating to my books and other writings are going to be exclusive to Patreon.
But if you are a fan of edutainment and video essays, Nebula is probably a better bang for your buck. While I am presently Nebula's only "exclusive" creator (meaning I don't cross post any Nebula originals to other platforms), most Nebula creators do create exclusive content for Nebula that you won't see on YouTube or elsewhere. And when it comes to price, remember that Nebula costs less than half what YouTube premium does while offering many of the same features (if Nebula had the complete Beatles catalogue as well as Miss Rachel I wouldn't need to pay for YouTube premium either, but alas). And yes, we do get a 50% cut of Nebula subscriptions in addition to payment based on monthly watch time.
So tl;dr: if you're interested in my books, writing and things associated with that in addition to our video essays, you should subscribe to my Patreon. If you're in it only for video essay content because that's your thing and you aren't interested in my other work, you should subscribe to Nebula. All of us here on Team Lindsay are grateful for your support either way.
Noumena book 3 is very close to the finish line, and we will hopefully have a release date for that soon, which means it's that time of the drafting process again: who wants their name to appear in my books by way of character death?? You do you do! Look for that update in the next day or two.
Comments
Lindsay, still enjoying Yoko/Beatles vid! True art; glad to support!!! Can't wait for next work!
harry kane
2025-07-25 21:40:05 +0000 UTCLate to this but just decided to increase my pledge manually. Didn't even know you could do that. I feel like the minimum is set too low as is anyway.
Cheskimo
2023-06-16 18:55:55 +0000 UTCI prefer Patreon. I'm here for all the content you create. If you shift to only Nebula, I will follow you over there.
Ash
2023-06-04 22:47:39 +0000 UTCFor what it's worth, I just became a patron today specifically because I want your vids (including the bad ones) and don't have any other real interest in Nebula, and just found out this was an option.
Spencer Peacock
2023-05-25 18:37:18 +0000 UTCi prefer patron as a platform
Lily
2023-05-22 15:08:12 +0000 UTCIt makes no difference to me! I keep both for different reasons.
GucciGarbage
2023-05-21 03:14:09 +0000 UTCI have both and plan to keep both. Nebula is great for supporting other creators I watch regularly without joining their Patreon individually. Being able to watch all the videos on my smart TV is a huge plus, too. Thanks for taking the time to explain and being open about this :)
jaded cynic
2023-05-19 17:45:47 +0000 UTCI can't want the Nebula videos unless I give them permission to see my pledges and email, which I don't want to do. So, Patreon.
Pulled Prok Productions
2023-05-18 05:33:02 +0000 UTCI like Patreon. I don’t have a Nebula subscription and I think it’s just one I can’t reasonably afford
waywardskies
2023-05-17 21:30:07 +0000 UTCI am subscribe to nebula through the curiosity stream. I will probably still keep both, as I supported different creator by that deal. But thank you for being clear with those option, I am in fact trying to keep the budget for Patreon similar and shifting options if I need to.
Kateřina Urbanová
2023-05-17 18:47:08 +0000 UTCI've got both and plan to keep both! Also nebula on roku works really well for the people above who need to know about TV options.
Natalie Arnold
2023-05-17 08:11:21 +0000 UTCWhen I left my job, I had to cut a few luxuries. Nebula was, sadly, one of them. It actually did come down to a choice between all of Nebula and direct support for you and your team. It was no contest. I don't think I can ever show enough gratitude and support for the value, education, and hours upon hours of entertainment you have brought to my life.
Sapphire Purcell
2023-05-17 03:02:36 +0000 UTCI'm in favor of sticking with Patreon. Currently I don't have a Nebula account, and I follow other creators on Patreon so I'd rather keep my stuff in one place. An increase in price seems logical.
Brian
2023-05-17 01:10:17 +0000 UTCWhat device do you use?
Lindsay Ellis
2023-05-16 23:50:00 +0000 UTCThe new $3 tier is already what will let you watch the Nebula videos on Patreon. That's all you need! --Elisa
Lindsay Ellis
2023-05-16 23:38:20 +0000 UTCThen Patreon is your best bet. You can see all of Lindsay's Nebula exclusive videos here on Patreon. The only thing you can't see is OTHER Nebula creators. If you want to see other people too, then you would need Nebula also. --Elisa
Lindsay Ellis
2023-05-16 23:33:16 +0000 UTCIt is not active. You can only see it if you were on it when it was archived.
ElderCat
2023-05-16 21:11:26 +0000 UTCWilling to die in service of not having to consult the baby name book again 🫡
Trejon Dunkley
2023-05-16 19:22:15 +0000 UTCI subscribe to your patreon and to Nebula. I have enjoyed your videos since days of the site that shall not be named and YouTube I’ve gotten you’re content for free for a long time and I’m happy to pay now for what that is all been worth to me over the years. (And I love the archive for uh… fond reflections on the past). I subscribe to nebula not only for your videos (though you’re involvement drew me there in the first place) but for all the other creators there that I want to support. I also want to support a non-YouTube alternative for creators. I’m happy to pay for both and will continue to do so.
Patrick Furlong
2023-05-16 18:49:05 +0000 UTCI will stick with both subscription services.
Denise
2023-05-16 18:01:52 +0000 UTCI’ll stick with Patreon cus Nebula is sus imo 🙂
Tommy
2023-05-16 17:47:23 +0000 UTCI'm happy with my patreon
APC
2023-05-16 17:46:00 +0000 UTCThank you for still making videos! Donate to Patreon (pretty sure I do) and suscribed to Nebula to watch more of your stuff, please keep going, and thank you for the update!
Jackinzone6@gmail.com
2023-05-16 17:44:40 +0000 UTCI don't read your books (sorry, but I'm not American and I pretty sure that you have to be American to understand them well), but I'd like to be able to watch your video essays, so why not a special tier (5$/month) to watch them on Patreon ? Patreon for me is better, no gazillion subscriptions everywhere, and I don't use Nebula. Anyway, your choice.
Rork
2023-05-16 17:30:45 +0000 UTCI'll get Nebula when they get an app I can watch on my TV. I hear that's coming soon.
Ryan Brown
2023-05-16 17:03:57 +0000 UTCI'm for staying on patreon
Brandon K.
2023-05-16 17:00:13 +0000 UTCAt some point I'll figure out how to even watch stuff on Nebula.
Matthew Dunne
2023-05-16 16:31:52 +0000 UTCI'm also down to die. But as Roy, if possible. If you need a surname, Roy Geebiv.
Kait Hatch
2023-05-16 14:56:50 +0000 UTCI'm down to die.
Dyce
2023-05-16 13:32:01 +0000 UTCi would love my name to be used! I never see my name anywhere. Marisel!
Marisel Lopez
2023-05-16 13:30:07 +0000 UTCHaving both I can honestly see the benefits of each, so I’ll continue to support on both. Also would love to die (in your book). Also saw someone mention a yearly payment instead of monthly, and just want to second that - I’d also prefer it for budget purposes.
Ao
2023-05-16 12:29:58 +0000 UTCNo one is forcing you mate, like LE said, you can choose which you’d prefer. It’s your money at the end of the day
Ao
2023-05-16 12:27:51 +0000 UTCI’ll happily up my pledge if it helps support y’all
TalysAlankil
2023-05-16 10:47:36 +0000 UTCEh, I personally already sub to nebula, as well as support you here. I also quite recently stopped supporting someone on patron for non-money related reasons, so with that in mind, upping my support here from $2 to $3 is basically a non-issue
Paavo Saarinen
2023-05-16 10:22:03 +0000 UTCThe only reason I am subbed to this patreon is because I want to see YOUR content. I'm not subbed to Nebula because I honestly don't care about basically nearly all the content on the platform. If you force me to move in order to enjoy your creations, I'll jump to Nebula, but I will ultimately cancel my very long held Patreon sub. I used to pay a lot more for access until you forced me not to, which I wish I still could without suffering unnecessary consequences for (paying extra for no return). Alas
Syauska
2023-05-16 08:48:05 +0000 UTCI just joined and am happy to stay. Thank you for the rundown of options.
DeadBeats
2023-05-16 08:37:30 +0000 UTCI've never looked into Nebula, just Patreon and oh no. RIP suscribing to Nebula from my EU non-cc butt :( Seriously though, Lindsey, I'm suscribing to you for the years I've missed suscribing to you back when I didn't have money, but you were putting out content I loved.
Definitely my real name
2023-05-16 07:25:55 +0000 UTCThe problem is that in Germany many people do not have a credit card (me too) so subscribing to nebula isn't an option https://www.statista.com/statistics/968220/credit-card-ownership-rate-european-countries/
Benj
2023-05-16 06:32:40 +0000 UTCI just upped my monthly payment to £10 a month 🤷♂️
Joe Castle
2023-05-16 06:27:31 +0000 UTCI'll pay whatever helps you keep making all types of content, and I'd prefer to use a platform that benefits you the most. Heck, you could make it $5 or whatever and I'll still support. <3
The Baskinator
2023-05-16 05:28:07 +0000 UTCI like Nebula as a thing in general and I’m happy to pay for the Patreon exclusives
Darren Bailey
2023-05-16 05:23:53 +0000 UTCI really appreciate the transparency. I have been and will continue to subscribe to both. I hope the $10 level will remain active.
Jeff Lorenzen
2023-05-16 04:52:18 +0000 UTCIt adds up
Lindsay Ellis
2023-05-16 04:42:37 +0000 UTCI'll increase my pledge here today! (Also I have a very old subscription to Nebula that probably barely covers the cost to have me as a viewer. But I see they are offering me a chance to give more money direct to the Nebula creators, that's neat).
ElderCat
2023-05-16 04:29:40 +0000 UTCSo I do both because I like Lindsays stuff, Legal Eagle, and Nerdsync's as well. I have no problem doing this, I also got Curiosity but I haven't had a chance to get into that just yet. Well, see how that goes. Still fully support your Patreon and your team. So ill be here for the long haul
David Arroyo
2023-05-16 04:28:27 +0000 UTCOr be like me and do both, while not bothering to change my old $10 tier
Eric Lundquist
2023-05-16 04:25:37 +0000 UTCMe too!
Eric Lundquist
2023-05-16 04:21:47 +0000 UTCBetween you and Jacob Geller, I guess I’m signing up for Nebula! I’d love to die in your book though, might stick around for that at least lmao.
Dang Nguyen
2023-05-16 04:21:10 +0000 UTCIt would be a great honor to die in your book!
Joanna Kobierska
2023-05-16 03:51:46 +0000 UTCGonna stick with the "Why not both" option here.
Matt Robold
2023-05-16 03:48:39 +0000 UTCExcited to die in the books and to continue paying your business :)
Jules Hancock
2023-05-16 03:44:21 +0000 UTCI just checked and I still have the $10 a month subscription, and it will stay that way!
AndreGG
2023-05-16 03:34:03 +0000 UTCLooking forward to your next book! 😎 I will just say that I'm here generally just to support you. I'm also a Nebula subscriber, too, so... 🤪 Seriously though, I have the means and I just want to support my favorite creators anyway I can and if that means I have to die in a book, than so be it. 😉 (Trying to be funny, but I'm currently experiencing an extreme upswing in chronic pain right now, so it might come out weird. My apologies to anyone who reads my cybernetic chicken scratchings and takes it the wrong way...my painful bad. 😕)
Bryan Cybershaman(X) Logie
2023-05-16 03:24:13 +0000 UTCI think the statement was the ones who try to guilt you into supporting them are are not worth your time/money, which I agree with: it's a rough year for both patreons and creators alike, and trying to guilt people about where to spend their money is sleezy. Saying "hey, things are rough and this patreon supports my cat/my rent/my ability to eat food" is one thing, but there's definitely a line I've seen people cross that feels like an attempt at emotional manipulation.
Lanth
2023-05-16 03:22:17 +0000 UTCWho cant afford $3 a month?
Lapsedfanmarv
2023-05-16 02:50:19 +0000 UTCYou're the best. I'm sad to hear that support has steadily declined and happy to hear you're still maintaining your staff.
Kade & Matthew Kittens
2023-05-16 02:41:29 +0000 UTCI want to be a dead character! My full maiden name was a main character in a Christopher Pike novel, so it must be a good name: Natalie Erickson.
Natalie
2023-05-16 02:33:49 +0000 UTCWoah, I don't think it's fair to call any youtuber who asks for support garbage. It's been a rough year. People have been cutting back on non-essentials like patreons and merch. And like it or not, when people have to make tough choices they will assume you're fine if you don't say anything.
Jeff Good
2023-05-16 02:31:52 +0000 UTCTo paraphrase The Smiths, “To die in your book is such a heavenly way to die.” … just the fact that I borrowed from such a misogynistic and racist toolbag as Morrissey in your comments merits a particularly brutal death— I hope. Awaits the update. *fingers crossed*
Scriptmonkeys
2023-05-16 02:27:17 +0000 UTCI chose both just to see updates from you and get your content
Madelyn Moss
2023-05-16 02:26:46 +0000 UTCBut what if I like both things, Lindsay? :(
Heather Cotter
2023-05-16 02:25:48 +0000 UTCI think 7 or 8 of the people I support on Patreon are a result of following you either directly or via the youtube algorithm leading me further down a rabbit hole from there. Supporting the whole plate here and on Nebula for the foreseeable future. Can't wait for book 3, I've got the first two on Audible, but I've been waiting to start until the third is out. Happily volunteering my name "Bob" to be killed.
Robert Gendron
2023-05-16 02:08:06 +0000 UTCYou know you can't resist offingr a guy with a comic book style alliterative name. :p (I kid but if you need a redshirt name to drop mine is easy to remember!)
Curt Clark
2023-05-16 02:01:45 +0000 UTCWhat about both? I was a Patreon, but used your link for a year of Nebula at a discount. I'm not even through the first year. Are you gonna kill A LOT of people in this book? I want to know more!
Zardogs! Zardogs!
2023-05-16 01:58:49 +0000 UTCI already have a nebula subscription and increasing the price here would not cause me to unsubscribe on patron either. I'll watch wherever is convenient for me, and most of the time it'll be nebula.
Sean Levorse
2023-05-16 01:51:51 +0000 UTCOoooh, I’d like to get murdered in a book! I think you’re just the coolest thing and am happy to support you however!
John Fischer
2023-05-16 01:50:18 +0000 UTCI dont have a Nebula subscription yet, but I have been considering it, so I'm probably leaning that way.
Tara
2023-05-16 01:49:04 +0000 UTCAlways happy to continue tossing money in the direction of creative individuals. Especially Lindsay and her crew. Your Patreon+Nebula is still a solid deal, even in these uncertain monetary times. 🐒 (A bonus monkey as spell check kept trying to change money into "monkey", so, 🐒.)
J.
2023-05-16 01:48:58 +0000 UTCI honestly didn’t know that was a thing, I will see if that does work with a Nebula integration, I will look into it starting next month
Lindsay Ellis
2023-05-16 01:44:45 +0000 UTCJust want to say, I'm honestly only in it for the videos, but also I super want to support you specifically so I'm in the Patreon category
Sean Boerger
2023-05-16 01:44:13 +0000 UTCBeen on both here and Nebula for the last year, and don't plan on changing anytime soon :) go team Lindsay!
Taryn
2023-05-16 01:41:10 +0000 UTCI'm gratefully in a position to be able to gift low tier memberships to a couple others vs upgrading my own. YouTube has tools for that, does Patreon?
Matthew DeVries
2023-05-16 01:40:41 +0000 UTCSide question: is that Sopranos rewatch podcast not happening anymore?
Adam Giess
2023-05-16 01:40:27 +0000 UTCI am soooo excited about that book news!!!
Joanna Marie
2023-05-16 01:39:50 +0000 UTCI already subscribe to both Nebula and this Patreon and plan to continue doing so. $3/mo is still cheaper than most entertainment costs and frankly, I get way more enjoyment out of #TeamLindsay.
Jessup Ammeen
2023-05-16 01:39:40 +0000 UTCI'm on both 🤷🏼♀️. I guess I should look into reading you books. I would love to be killed off in your book, especially if you could manage it with my nickname of "Daddy Gringa" 😂 that would probably be worth extra though
Natalie
2023-05-16 01:38:54 +0000 UTCI want to die!....in the book I mean in the book. Feel free to kill me! Also thanks for the update!
Sam Hall
2023-05-16 01:38:32 +0000 UTCI subscribe to both because I follow other creators on Nebula! I'm also a huge fan of your writing here on Patreon, so I will continue to be a bi-subscriber but thank you for the update!! Screw those trashcans!!
Julia Rittenberg
2023-05-16 01:38:18 +0000 UTCLindsay, is there any chance you’d add the “pay a year at once” option? I really prefer it for budgeting purposes (I basically give myself one $4ish patreon a month for entertainment) over monthly.
Amanda Strausbaugh
2023-05-16 01:37:27 +0000 UTCAbsolutely no worries about the price increase. Hope you’re book editing is fun! <3
Ricky G.
2023-05-16 01:37:21 +0000 UTCThanks for the update. Happy to see the move to make things more sustainable for your employees. Hope all is well for the whole team.
Kelly Donovan
2023-05-16 01:37:16 +0000 UTCNebula really is a great value! So much great content. Though I will continue to donate my $3 a month for convenience and for the sake of health insurance.
Tony M Parker
2023-05-16 01:36:50 +0000 UTCI can't wait!!! I love your books!!!
Valerie Messinger
2023-05-16 01:36:31 +0000 UTCHow do I sign up to die in the book lol. And I personally prefer Patreon, as long as there’s proper ways to prevent videos from leaking, etc.
Brandon White
2023-05-16 01:36:15 +0000 UTC
