My new video! Evangelicals and the Apocalypse

As someone paying $2.50/mo for the privilege, I look down upon you from my Lamborghini helicopter

Matthew Lanke

not that this was super important or a crucial point to add, but i was kinda surprised you didn't point out how other hurricanes and natural disasters continue to occur in the US as we continue funneling money and arms to Israel (or just in general, but given that they point it out in relation to Palestine, yeah)

mo

Hoi Polloi on YouTube comments mad we get to watch this first from our ivory $1/month Patreon chairs. Mwahahahaha. I've never felt so Bougie.

K H

I wasn’t really saying you were wrong. My comment was mainly directed at the audience. Although within the worldview of these evangelicals the apocalypse is very unstable, especially when we apply the kind of mortal thinking we are used to, I just wanted to remind the skeptic-leaning audience that theology is a framework all on its own and a lot of seeming tensions in Christianity are resolvable

playfulotters

oh that’s truly just wild then. do they have some like apocalypse times will be broadly bad, but rapture is good and should be accelerated, but not in ways that would compromise our status as ppl who would get into heaven stance?

Kaivalya Hariharan

Hmm two points here. First, they actively claim the apocalypse is good, not bad. Something every Christian looks forward to. That you take their default position on the end times to be a negative one is kinda interesting with regard to the video. It really is hard to figure out what they want. Second, I don’t think the evangelical relationship to Israel is purely altruistic. Again, 50% of them say one reason they advocate for Israel is *because* their rebuilding the temple is part of prophecy.

Big Joel

hm I feel like you might be strawmanning the evangelicals here at the end. The claim that you make (maybe I’m wrong) is that the documentary doesn’t present a consistent position in how it feels about hastening the apocalypse. I think instead the documentary (which tbc I haven’t watched or anything) might be saying - here is a bunch of things that will happen near the end times. Some of these things are bad (drugs et al.). Some of these things might look good (the antichrist helping Israel) but end up being bad. But like them helping Israel as ppl who are clearly not the antichrist doesn’t seem to support your case here - it can just be good to help Israel as evangelicals or whatever. Anyway, enjoyed the rest of the video, particularly the evidence fitting part.

Kaivalya Hariharan

I don’t feel like this goes against what I’m saying tbh. Yes, what you’re describing is one approach to the apocalypse, and approaching the rise of sin and devastation in your world with the desire to prevent it is a rational response. As such, both responses can be given, and any moral reaction to a prophetic event is warranted. So yes, having a positive perception of terrible cataclysmic events is not on its face contradictory, but I don’t really feel i claimed it was

Big Joel

This is a cool bit of media analysis but just for those in the audience who don’t know - eschatology (the theological study of the end times) has been the subject of thought for a very long time and there are plenty of religious people with an understanding of rapture without the contradictions described here. One example might be by analogy to the flood. It was a great tragedy but you accept god’s will. In the same way, you are asked to want what god wants: a land for the Jews, the ultimate judgement of humanity, and salvation for the faithful. I’m not a Christian myself but I wanted to express that theology is a rich field of discourse and one doc doesn’t represent all of it.

playfulotters

also cube pyramid rocks

Trying to understand the fear/hysteria behind a “global” system of currency from these people’s perspective but failing; why is globalism so scary to people who are typically conservative in thought? Also is there anything in the Bible that even decries any sort of global currency?

It’s interesting to think of someone in a universalizing religion looking forward to the rapture, as I guess that would mark the end of converting anyone new

I see y'all's Medium Joel and raise you Just Right Joel, a la Goldielocks.

SLaSZT

Dammit I came here to make the Medium Joel joke and three people beat me. Mid.

Britta Moline

very medium of you