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WATCHMEN EP 5-6 REACTION ( it's getting INSANE!!!!) I need the long comments on this one

WATCHMEN EP 5-6 REACTION ( it's getting INSANE!!!!) I need the long comments on this one

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What I love about this show is that there are a lot of real life references and most of the time I thought it was just made up for the show, e.g. Bass Reeves being a real person (the first African-American Deputy U.S. Marshals west of the Mississippi River); how flashing coloured lights can stimulate a hypnotic state; even the Tulsa Massacre from episode one (P.S. I’m not from America)

Roey Oddworld

Hmmmm. I didn't know this.

Melissa

Yeah, the sex scene was definitely bad vibes. It was probably pretty hard being gay in that time and situation, I think there’s a certain amount of “take what you can get” and seizing the moment involved there. Hot guy coming on to you? Better bang it out when you have the opportunity 😬

Valaree

Love The Ink Spots

Valaree

I feel like this show is one of the first to really think about “why would someone wear a mask to stop crime?” Punching a mugger isn’t illegal, normally you’d expect to get praise from the police, why would you hide your identity? It makes so much sense for Hooded Justice to be a black man in this time period. The mask gives him the POSSIBILITY of getting the benefit of the doubt. It’s the only way he can fight back the way a white person could without people assuming he was the aggressor. It’s pretty telling that in the TV show made about him, the actor playing him is a white man. It’s what everyone assumed. Hooded Justice isn’t explicitly black in the comic, changing this detail (I can’t recall if he’s confirmed to be white or it’s ambiguous) was a really brilliant move on the show’s part. Just checked my comic, I don’t think we ever see his face, but he’s got pretty pale skin around his eyes.

Valaree

Hoover was almost certainly gay. That doesn’t make him depraved… but all the evil shit he did as head of the FBI absolutely does.

Valaree

It’s so insane that they waited until episode FIVE to even mention the ending of Watchmen (the comic and movie). Finally, we have context for when this show is occurring relative to the source material. It wasn’t clear (to me at least) if the show was just remixing concepts from the comic, or if it was occurring afterwards and the comic is all canon in this world. Finally they reveal that the events of the comic (at least mostly) happened in the past, and this is a sequel. If you don’t recall it in detail (bigass spoilers for the comic), Adrian (Ozymandias) was a costumed crime fighter known for being “the most intelligent man in the world”. He came up with a plan to save the world from nuclear annihilation by giving humanity a common enemy, faking an “alien invasion” by teleporting a giant psychic squid to Times Square. Out of the water it quickly died, but it sent out some psychic nastiness while it was suffocating that ended up killing a lot of people. Adrian reveals this plan in a pretty classic villain monologue to Night Owl and Rorschach, who have been trying to track him down (Adrian did some murders along the way). The climax of that monologue is Rorschach telling Adrian at gunpoint to stop the plan, and Adrian admitting that it already happened 35 minutes ago. Huge gutpunch. The heroes are too late. The villain won. He saved the world.

Valaree

I feel like we’re supposed to distrust Wade (white man in Oklahoma = suspicious), but I find it completely impossible to dislike him because Tim Blake Nelson is a treasure. He’s just a sweet little pumpkin man. For more Tim, I highly recommend “O Brother, Where Art Thou”, my favorite movie in the universe.

Valaree

yes very much, just killed my eyes so i got irritated at the amount of flashing hahaha

Raymond Walker

Wade wrapping his entire head in tinfoil as a trauma response to being psychically blasted by a giant interdimensional squid… very normal and cool backstory 😅

Valaree

I think he's the Chief of Police not a "Sheriff" but you get my drift.

Melissa

These episodes felt so different from one another. Episode 5 gives us the background of the squid dropping incident (not sure what to call that - LOL) and the truth behind the scenes. I'm still confused about some of that, too, but I really enjoyed the episode a lot. I didn't catch who the Sheriff's grandfather was in the picture, so I'm not sure if he's significant. But clearly the Sheriff was just as racist as the rest of the bastards. This second episode was edited really well in terms of transitioning through time, but I do think they had to sacrifice some narrative development in doing so -- like you said, with Will and Mary's relationship, etc. I felt bad for you with all the light flashing. But I think you were able to follow most of it in spite of that. Okay, I don't know the woman's name who was with Angela at the end, but is she in the same general location as Tulsa but in that futuristic looking structure? I was thinking she was in Vietnam, but I might have put that in my own head b/c of the backstory of where Angela was born. The concept of taking a group of people and turning them against themselves so that those in power stay in power and become more and more entrenched in said power is seen throughout history. It's what's happening now. Political parties being driven to fight one and hate one another. Families being torn apart. Immigrants/Migrants wanting to protect their own people while other vulnerable groups are targeted. I was listening to a senator or congresswoman from Florida who is Cuban -- she supported DT and assured her people he'd not come for their community. But they are. If you make the rich hate the poor; the dems hate the repubs; the whites hate the POC; and on and on and on, then who really wins?? Only the people holding the strings. It's too easy to let fear get in the way of standing up for others (I feel it myself, and I have to fight it!) b/c a person can think it won't ever be THEM that becomes victimized. All that reminds me of the reference in episode 5 to the girl in the red coat, I think that was 100% an allusion to Schindler's List. Anyway, sorry I typed so much. I got riled up. I'm still confused AF (maybe a tiny bit less confused), but I'm on this ride till the end. Thanks, FT!

Melissa

I think the flashing lights during the ending scene with the sheriff is also meant to echo the flashing light of the film in a movie theater. AND! the flashing effect of the black and white film from Will's childhood.

Melissa

1:48:32 This song was definitely in "Fallout"!!

Melissa

1:45:45 I'm stopping to comment, so if we get more info, know that. I got the vibe with the sex scene that it was just pure lust/desire. No sense that we're supposed to think there's any real feeling there (at least now). But I'm ALSO getting the same vibe as you with the words "tolerant" and "specimen". i worry that this whole thing is a trap. And it's no spoiler b/c even though I watched this, I must have erased it from my memory or something because I remember very little of it. I loved episode 5 so much, just like you. Wade is an amazing character and that whole story was fire.

Melissa


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