Edward's speed and strength were definitely down graded for the movie. Felix does kick his ass in the book, but Felix is supposed to be physically, one of the most formidable vampires in the world.
I'm looking forward to you all seeing Rosalie's background in the next movie. Hers is a complicated story.
RC Flores
2025-01-11 02:27:03 +0000 UTC
to me, that's what makes Jacob more toxic than Edward. He feels entitled to Bella. Edward's toxicity is based more on his perception of Bella as a human. He truly believes he's doing what's best for her and he acts like she is unable to make those decisions herself. Toxic and disrespectful, yes. But I never felt from the books or movies that he felt entitled to Bella.
RC Flores
2025-01-10 14:12:23 +0000 UTC
Agreed. I haven't read the books (except a little bit of the first one) but from what I've heard, Bella never showed any real interest in Jacob besides friendship. The Team Edward/Team Jacob thing only really started with the movies, this one in particular.
Heida
2025-01-10 06:33:13 +0000 UTC
To be fair, from what I've heard about the books, Bella never showed any real interest in Jacob besides friendship. The Team Edward/Team Jacob thing only really started with the movies, this one in particular. And it wasn't just teen girls drooling over them but their mums and grandmas as well (which is kind of messed up considering Taylor Lautner was 17 when this was filmed). Having said that: Team Jacob baby! But when I say that I don't necessarily mean as Bella's love interest, more that I find him a much more interesting character than Edward OR Bella for that matter. The worst thing about these movies, in my opinion, is that Bella THE MAIN GIRL and Edward ONE OF THE MAIN GUYS, are just so boring, annoying and extremely toxic (Bella most of all). I don't care about them individually OR together. The only relationships of theirs that I do like is with their families (though Bella treats her dad, who is undoubtedly the best character of all of them, like crap a lot of the time). When Bella arrived as the new girl in school last movie everyone was so nice and welcoming to her, but then she just ditched them when Edward came along and only started hanging out with them again in this one because Jacob was MIA and she wanted her dad to stop hassling her (I know she had to at the end of both movies but that was after all of that). She especially pisses me off in this movie by putting herself in harms way and literally trying to kill herself because she misses her boyfriend?! And I'm not minimising how a person feels when they go through heartbreak but this is so toxic (Btw, when Bella kept seeing Edward, he wasn't really there. It was just an hallucination trying to keep her from doing something reckless and dangerous). I do think that Jacob needs to let it go but Bella was also giving him mixed signals and using him because Edward was gone, which is so messed up. It was also messed up of Jacob to say that on the phone to Edward with no context. But, meanwhile, Edward doesn't seem to have any friends and planned to kill himself without even checking if it was actually Bella who's dead and without saying goodbye to his family. So much toxicity and stupidity 🤦🏼♀️ But it's entertaining for sure 😂
Surpisingly I think the first movie is the weakest but maybe that's just my bias towards Jacob. However, this isn't my fave either, but I love that it's got more Jacob and finally some actual shapeshifter lore. It's a common misconception that Jacob and the pack are werewolves, when they are in fact shapeshifters who assume wolf-form. It's understandable, however, why people are confused when they are literally referred to as werewolves (in the movies anyway). Some more non-spoiler-y lore: They are descended from the ancient spirit warriors of the Quileute tribe (Sidenote: While preparing for the first movie, Taylor Lautner actually learned he has distant Native American ancestry on his mum's side). The main difference between a shapeshifter and a werewolf is that a werewolf has no control over when they turn, which is usually on a full moon, while a shapeshifter does. Shapeshifters don’t need the full moon to transform and their condition is the result of a gene, whereas werewolves are usually bitten or cursed. Also, shapeshifters can turn into any animal, though in Twilight they mostly turn into wolves. There are werewolves in the books called the Children of the Moon.
Phasing is a sudden and violent process, causing their clothes to shred, which is why they are usually shirtless (it's also just a good way to excuse the shirtlessness). Only males were believed to be able to phase until the transformation of Leah Clearwater, which surprised everyone, even though she is a direct descendant of the spirit chiefs. The transformation generally occurs when a boy reaches manhood and is accompanied by a sudden growth spurt lasting for about two months, a dramatic rise in body temperature and intense mood swings (which is why Jacob was acting the way he was in the movie theatre). It is usually triggered when a tribal member encounters the scent of vampires and senses the tribe's need of protection. It can also be triggered by anger, as it was for Jacob. To become human again, the shapeshifter needs to calm down and concentrate. Jacob finds phasing between wolf and human form easier than most because of his paternal great-grandfather, Ephraim Black, a tribal chief and his maternal great-grandfather Quil Ateara II, meaning he has inherited the shapeshifting gene from both sides of his family. Also, Jacob didn't know he was a shapeshifter until he started phasing, he genuinely thought the stories were just stories.
Other fun facts/details: The producers were planning to recast Taylor Lautner if he couldn't train hard enough in time to film this movie. But Taylor was committed to playing Jacob and trained intensely for 9 months to bulk up as soon as production wrapped on the first movie. His prep included consuming 4,000 calories per day, eating every 2 hours and working out for 2 hours at least 5 days a week. He gained over 25 pounds of muscle before filming.
As opposed to the blue and grey color tones in the first movie (which are supposed to symbolise the coldness of vampires, the dullness of the town and the difficulties of Bella and Edward's relationship), the brown and orange color combination in this one is represents the warmth of the "werewolves", as well as Bella and Jacob's relationship. In some scenes there is an orange truck in the background. The different styles can also be attributed to the filmmaking style of director Catherine Hardwicke in the first one vs. Chris Weitz in this one.
I haven't read the books (except a bit of the first one) but I know that the scene where Bella is in the chair while a few months passed, in the book there was just the name of each month in the middle of the page. I think they translated that very well on screen.
There was some foreshadowing in the first movie, after Jacob talked to Bella outside of prom, Edward said "I leave you alone for two minutes and the wolves descend". Furthermore, there was a painting of a wolf in Bella's bedroom.
Like the first one with the apple, this movie also contains a reference to the picture on the book cover: When Carlisle sets fire to the blood and glass from the cut on Bella's arm they form the shape and colour of the ruffled tulip on the cover.
You didn't mention it but you may know Dakota Fanning (Jane) who started as a child actor in movies like I Am Sam, Hide and Seek, Uptown Girls and, later, The Runaways (with Kristen Stewart), Once Upon a Time in Hollywood & Ocean's 8.
Michael Sheen took on the role of Volturi coven leader Aro because his daughter Lily (with Kate Beckinsale) was a massive fan of the series.
Before joining the franchise as a member of the Volturi named Caius (the blonde one), Jamie Campbell Bower auditioned for Edward. He's also known for Stranger Things, Sweeney Todd, The Mortal Instruments and appearing briefly in Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts. He also appeared in the music video for Never Let Me Go by Florence + The Machine, which I only mention because it's a song that will be on TVD soon 😊
And, again, though Jacob and the pack are technically not werewolves, Tyler Posey was Stephenie Meyer's first choice to play Jacob and he made it far in the audition process. He would later land the leading role of a werewolf on MTV's Teen Wolf. Also, Billy Burke (Charlie) played a werewolf in 2011's Red Riding Hood.
Super excited for The Hunger Games btw!!
Heida
2025-01-10 06:03:39 +0000 UTC
Never understood the Team Jacob, Team Edward deal. 🤔 She friendzoned him from the start. Jacob never had a chance. 😂 But if it was a real triangle, I'd have to think about it.
I'm not into necrophilia so Edward would have to turn me first. 😂