Shoudld I publish this?
Added 2023-11-22 17:04:04 +0000 UTCI got an overwhelming ammount of requests to make a video on Israel and Palestine, I made this short low quality video recommending a book. Should I publish this?
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Its interesting how you mentioned Timothy Snyder. I remember hearing an interpretation of his book Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin. The book is about how the Nazi's and the Soviets got into this increasingly worse cycle of violence. If I remember correctly, its about how during the beginning of the war they weren't going after civilians as much, but by the end of the war loads of civilians were targets. The interpretation of the book was basically this: X does something bad to Y. OR X retaliates against Y in a more extreme way than X would normally consider morally acceptable. As a result Y gets mad, or more mad at X. So Y retaliates against X in a more extreme way than Y would normally consider morally acceptable. As a result X gets mad, or more mad at Y. Repeat. Its like two people who start fighting each other and with each punch it just pisses the other off more and more. This cycle creates more and more tunnel vision for both sides involved where the sole aim becomes hurting the other. This means the objective of the war can change from going after strategic targets to just hurting the other side. I haven't kept up on the Israel-Hamas War, but hopefully it doesn't come to that. Anyway, the book and insights you mentioned seem to be talking about the same psychological issue I mentioned above where both sides are in this cycle of ever worsening violence each other. To break this cycle of dehumanizing or violence Czeslaw argues we should humanize the other side. Also, humanizing your enemies has the benefit of making it considerably harder to retaliate in a worse way than what has been done to you. Its also interesting how you mentioned Poland was very influenced by Catholicism in the past. Because you can see the effect Catholicism had on Poland in Czeslaw's insights here. The Bible advocates for forgiveness and reconciliation. And if you try to humanize your enemies like Czeslaw suggests, that is the first step towards forgiving and reconciling with your enemies. The interpretation is from the perspective of Rene Girard, a French philosopher. I highly recommend you look into him.
Harrison Ressler
2024-03-03 07:37:07 +0000 UTCI think, it's correct not to publish this on the main channel - yet. This view, same as view of the polish author (Mr. Miłosz). is excellent for reconciliation (same reconciliation, which is core stone of current relations in Europe), it was interesting to listen and I think it will find it's place as a valid point of view after Hamas is defeated. Mr. Miłosz needed to go to France to get a distance and time passed first .. so in my view - ppl Gaza must distance themselves from Hamas (to be viewed again as humans, not as shields or supporters of terror) and Israeli/western ppl will need get some 'distance of time and peace offer' (to be able to look on their neigbours as fellow humans, who were previously driven astray be monsters). I do believe reconciliation is possible here, but in a long term, while first 'peace branch' (to say it this way, not saying it will be easy ;) ) must be given by the Palestinian Authority and their (supposed) followers to shallow that grief, anger and bias against them - and that's something we would need to wait for a while, I am affraid..
Kapis
2023-12-01 20:47:09 +0000 UTCI appreciated the video and thank you for making/posting it, but I do think it is more appropriate as Patreon-only content.
Dab Brill
2023-11-28 18:41:13 +0000 UTCThere is a debate in the U.S. media now about whether to publish the horrific photos of scenes following gun violence. The proposition is that having the public actually see the results of gun violence would change the debate on gun regulation. I am wondering if Palestinians and Israelis would be more inclined to work toward peace if the general public saw the horrific results of their state-sponsored actors. Only a psychopath could be anything less than traumatized after viewing the actual events of this past month.
Peter Perreiah
2023-11-26 23:12:28 +0000 UTCYou are correct in stepping back from this issue at this time. It is the discipline of a good historian. Yuval Hariri has noted that the trauma of recent events on both sides prevents either from having a rational discussion. We have no right to expect more from taumatized and griefing people. But at some point in the future I think you could bring insight into how conflicts such as these get resolved (see Poland recouncing territorial claims to Ukraine and Lithuainia in the interest of building peace and mutual propsperity.)
Peter Perreiah
2023-11-26 22:59:21 +0000 UTCI was born and raised in Barcelona. Back during the catalan referendum for independence, images circulated widely through whatsapp groups of police brutality against peaceful voters. I was not an independentist, but I voted for independence out of a sense of disgust and rejection for the police brutality taking place. To this day, I kinda regret that choice, because my vote was meant to reflect my opinion about independence, not about police brutality. Obviously, police brutality, and the mild version we suffered, is not comparable to the horrors Hamas committed. But what you mention here, your inability to be unbiased because of your visceral rejection of videos and audios you saw, deeply resonated with that experience I have. I think you choose wisely not to make a video on the topic
Pablo Miralles
2023-11-23 10:38:04 +0000 UTCOn one hand this is a message more people should see. But on the other, both from personal experience and from the other comments here, it may be wiser to keep this unlisted unless you're willing to deal with the emotional distress from those who may reject this message. You could post it on your second channel. Either way, be careful and take care of yourself <3
Velozio Productions
2023-11-23 04:04:27 +0000 UTCHere: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Snt_c1D-fzs15H1TeqEZovkVlOlX_QmKuNwbT9jR5nY/edit
David Malinsky
2023-11-23 03:48:15 +0000 UTCWriting another long response to this—and I’ve been writing a long review of Ridley Scott’s new movie about Napoleon. These are, in fact, related. You maximize humanity, as Milosz says, by moving beyond moral absolutes. Napoleon, in his crimes and innovations, actually allows for such an approach. I will post my full comments when I’m done.
David Malinsky
2023-11-23 03:10:06 +0000 UTCI wish you would post it. I am glad I am able to see this video and I wish others do as well. I have to admit though, that I usually I listen to your videos and I do not care about the visual aspect much.
Anton Daneyko
2023-11-22 23:39:37 +0000 UTCI like the part about you talking about Czeslaw Milosz book. Great author he is, but the start of the video is very gloomy and very energy draining. You seem personally heavily in distress about it and heavily effected by the situation you are discussing that is going on with the Israel-Palestine conflict. The start of the video is very difficult to watch for the viewer and it is hard for the viewer to not absorb your distress. The video as you mentioned is low quality, which adds upon the reasoning why you shouldn't publish, but the quality isn't the main problem, but the sheer emotion pouring out of the video feels heavy and burdens the viewer. In its current form I would suggest to not publish the video.
Frost_Bite
2023-11-22 21:07:01 +0000 UTCYes
Bryce Ostrem
2023-11-22 20:50:10 +0000 UTCYou guys keep treating hms and other islamists as if they're equals or near equals in this tragedy. I find it a double edged tragedy: European Christians (british) pogromed the European jews to a ghetto in Palestine while under British mandate, they then armed them to the teeth. Now they watch the European jews (highest echelon of jews in Israel vs oriental or black jews) slaughter the descendants of original jews aka the Palestinians (as per DNA tests prohibited in israel). Now European Christians are happy with European jews having an ethnonationalist country away from their Homeland and identify with them. That's peak gaslighting and cognitive dissonance. Like the oppressed Palestinians Now are carrying out the violence against your European jews, which are oppressed in turn by the fact they were kicked out from their ancestral homelands in Europe and now visiting orders of oppression more upon a militarily and politically (not socially or scientifically) far more inferior Palestinian civilians. But European narrative is choosing their oppressed side where they can wash clean their conscience at the same time
K G
2023-11-22 20:14:01 +0000 UTCDid you watch the answer Norman Finkelstein gave Mikaela peterson in his moral approach to the things in gaza. He answers towards the end of that podcast episode. He compares the moral position of the abolitionists in 1800s to a slave revolt that was particularly bloody, fanatic and horrific, and then the white response, which was orders of magnitude worse. His (the slave revolt) actions didn't absolve the entirety of slavery.... good point made.
K G
2023-11-22 20:04:38 +0000 UTCPersonally, I find your cri de coeur good and raw. But, I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to publish it at your main channel. If you publish it do it on your second channel.
Nektarios
2023-11-22 19:46:29 +0000 UTCI think it's an important message, and should be spread. But i also think that perhaps shouldn't be posted in the main Kraut youtube channel since it is so different from the rest of the videos.
david silva
2023-11-22 18:00:11 +0000 UTCThis is something very raw and emotive, so by publishing you’ll have to be prepared for some who won’t take your message to heart and turn it against you for their ongoing discourse. If you’re not prepared to argue on your emotions then maybe disable comments. Or don’t publish at all and make as many private videos as you need to sort your feelings out little by little until you feel whole again. Sadly the conflict isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, so if you believe the message is important but feel ambivalent about how personal this feels then why not reach out to another creator you trust to make a video on Milosz and what we can learn from him, and then tap the sign the next time people come asking for your take.
Mehrab
2023-11-22 17:52:57 +0000 UTCYes, you should publish this. People should hear this. There's too many hotheads out there and I do believe people need to hear this message.
Ernest Ștefan-Matyus
2023-11-22 17:16:24 +0000 UTC
