Discussing HOTD S2E03 with Alt Schwift X
Added 2024-07-02 09:33:02 +0000 UTC🔥
sorry we're late this week, i had to take a day off because i was briefly deceased
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I've found it frustrating that the two women protagonists lack agency and a will to win the war. Alicent especially has been raising her kids to be tyrants/warriors. I feel like the show missed an opportunity to depict complicated women who are corrupted by feudal power structures and patriarchy making use of the powers available to them.
Jordan Smith
2024-07-12 23:49:15 +0000 UTCI have not read the book either. I can only make assumptions based on real-world dynamics, which don't always translate to GRRM's world, so take my interpretation with a grain of salt. But in the real world, the title of a ruling queen's husband generated a lot of discussion and debate before being settled. I love what they are doing with Daemon, it's so interesting to see inside his head.
Lindy
2024-07-11 08:22:32 +0000 UTCDuring the recap of S1 you literally discussed about how you wanted Rhaenyra to ask what Vissy actualy said so the whole prophecy stuff could be cleared up. I just watched through them all so it was quite jarring to hear you it goofy immediately after hearing you talk about wanting the exact same thing.
SnakeYikes
2024-07-08 15:29:00 +0000 UTCThese are good points! I haven't read the book, so I'm excited for more hints about Daemon's true motives in the future episodes :)
Guac is extra
2024-07-07 16:18:12 +0000 UTCThat last scene with Rhaenyra and Alicent may be the worst part of the series, as of yet, in my opinion. I get that they're trying to make a point of the women in this universe being waaaay more rational than the men but it just comes out as silly when you're constantly saying it out loud.
Diego Alexander
2024-07-06 10:37:35 +0000 UTCIn the real world, a king outranks a queen, so when there is a ruling queen, her husband’s title is prince consort (eg Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip). But I don’t know if there is a precedent of this tradition in Westeros, so it seemed a little weird to me that both Daemon and Simon Strong are assuming Daemon’s title. I guess it is a similarly patriarchal society, so a male would have authority over his wife if they had the same title status. Still, I didn’t necessarily interpret it as treason. I’ve never had the sense Daemon wants to be king (although the preview suggests in an upcoming dream he is in the throne room, so I could be wrong on this), but he definitely does not want to be controlled and is far too proud and stubborn to be subordinate to his wife. I think he sees himself as an exception to Rhaenyra’s rule. The scene IMO reminds us of how unfamiliar a female ruler is and how this complicates dynamics, both across the realm and also between Daemon and Rhaenyra as husband and wife. And that Daemon will assume and use her authority to press his own desires (which I think is to destroy the Hightowers).
Lindy
2024-07-06 03:07:25 +0000 UTCI don't think Daemon is doing a treason when he demands to be adressed as "Your grace". He's the spouse of the monarch, it's custom to call them "Your grace", no?
Guac is extra
2024-07-05 09:11:53 +0000 UTCthank you, and sorry for attempting to pronounce your town’s name
Glidus
2024-07-04 16:15:06 +0000 UTCI honestly didn't find the whole aegon 'prince that was promised' mixup goofy, I found it to be tragic. Especially in the church scene where Alicent has the upper hand cause she thinks Aegon was chosen as the heir and it is devastating to rhaenyra, then she says 'the prince that was promised' and the whole situation flips, where rhaenyra is triumphant and alicent is downcast. But then alicent starts to think 'yeh that may be true but we have gone too far' and there 'was no mistake'. It's both of them going through huge pain and vindication for their actions and then in the end realising that it probably doesn't matter cause things have gone too far and that 'noone will remember what this war was about.
Sean Brocklehurst
2024-07-04 15:49:22 +0000 UTCHello there, just popping in to confirm that is Cáceres. I'm actually from Cáceres and if you've been there you can recognize everything. It's really fun for me! I even catched a glimpse of my actual childhood home in one of the "Inside the episode". Anyway, a bit of a random comment but I thought you might find it amusing :)
Jaime Pizarro
2024-07-04 11:36:11 +0000 UTCThere are also decorative circles in pyke castle
Max
2024-07-03 18:08:49 +0000 UTCI wish it was addressed a little better, I don’t really know of old English titles so I was going off the shows logic, where consorts were still referred to as your grace, although we’ve never had a king consort so it’s a bit confusing that you get demoted as a man married to a ruler but the woman married to a ruler gets the exact same titles when being addressed. Just feels silly.
cat named toebean
2024-07-03 01:17:45 +0000 UTCThis episode has been exceptionally informative, if only because I now know the phrase "pint and a parmi" and intend to use it liberally in the future. More seriously, something I noticed with your discussion of the burial of the Cargyll twins – you compared their burial to the different burial traditions we saw elsewhere. I'm guessing (just based on geography) that House Cargyll would follow the new gods, but there doesn't appear to have been any burial rites involved. I can think of a couple of possible reasons why – practicalities of moving their bodies to somewhere where there is a sept, maybe wanting to conceal the fact that Erryk had also been killed, or maybe it's just that Rhaenyra isn't religious and therefore doesn't think it's important. I'm wondering if any of these seems correct to you, or if there's another, simpler reason why their burial was so comparatively minimalist?
Joe Molloy
2024-07-02 22:56:15 +0000 UTCI just love how messy and complicated these characters are. While you two were discussing how Schwift thought this episode established Allicent as the villain I was thinking about just how completely trapped Allicent is at that moment. Her husband is gone, her father has been dismissed, her voice is not being heard in Council, she fears Aemond, she knows Aegon left to his own devices will destroy the realm, she's unable to reach Helaena and she is attached to Lord Larys who she knows is unscrupulous and Sir Criston, already a dangerous man who now has a taste of power. I felt much more like Glidus that at this point Allicent sees the tidal wave of war. Rhaenyra isn't quite ready to accept that until her conversation with Allicent, the fact that it had started prior to their conversation just made it all the more depressing. Really appreciate all the content!
Brennan Barnes
2024-07-02 21:50:52 +0000 UTCI need the ASOIAF Food Science video. I'm sure there's not much there... But with Lemongate and George's affinity for food descriptions, maybe there could be some secret lore George has been hiding in them, just waiting to be discovered. You've been joking about eating the TWoW, but what if that's the key. Like GRRM could flavor the pages to taste like locusts? That could reveal that the WWs are behind Dany's poisoned locusts! Really makes you think...
Layne Webb
2024-07-02 19:29:20 +0000 UTCI think it's definitely meant as a way of showing Daemon believes he should be king, or at least recognized as consort, but he is also correct in that scene.
Stijn Van Den Heuvel
2024-07-02 18:47:34 +0000 UTCI think it's definitely meant as a way of showing Daemon believes he should be king, or at least recognized as consort, but he is also correct in that scene.
Stijn Van Den Heuvel
2024-07-02 18:47:24 +0000 UTCThe comparisons you made with Rhaenyra’s behaviour and Viserys’ was so excellent. I’ve been so surprised at the response to the whole plot point, it’s surprising, but it makes sense to me. Like you said, Rhaenyra is the daughter of a man who tried to make everyone happy and avoided conflict to a pathological degree. The older I get, the more I see how we all create ourselves, subconsciously and consciously, in both initiation and opposition of our parents. Rhaenyra has worked hard to separate herself from her father but she also has some of his personality, for good and bad. Of course she would do everything, even something so desperate, to avoid war. It is a desperate thing to do but the situation is quickly getting wildly out of control and the bodies, especially the bodies of CHILDREN, are piling up. Also narratively, like Christiana said, this means that going forward, the war isn’t based on misunderstanding but decisions. Events take them to a place but it’s who they are that decides what they do in that place. It serves the theme of the show perfectly, if we want to get all book report about it.
The Bog Queen
2024-07-02 18:37:00 +0000 UTCIt's probably based off the British system, where a King (even a king consort) always ranks above a queen. So Prince Phillip and Prince Albert were called that: Prince. Not King. While wifes of kings were called queens like, Queen Camilla.
Tina Oestreich
2024-07-02 18:24:56 +0000 UTCI thought Sister Act made the whole Vizzy misunderstanding less silly, not more. Both of them have to reckon with “I guess i don’t know for sure what Viserys really wanted” at different points in the conversation, and both of them have to come to terms with that. And the war is no longer predicated on a misunderstanding—everyone knows the other side’s perspective, and, tragically, war is still inevitable. I think having the two of them talking face to face was the only way to earnestly achieve that.
Christiana Stawasz
2024-07-02 18:06:32 +0000 UTC*HotD drops* Glibo and Schwifty: We Need to Yap
Giles Hinders
2024-07-02 16:10:21 +0000 UTCNOM NOM NOM
Becca Powell
2024-07-02 15:28:16 +0000 UTCWhy was Rhaena not immediately shown a dragon to bond with like one of the 5? riderless dragons they keep mentioning? Why would they not immediately show her to Seasmoke or Sheep Stealer or the other ones when Luke died? Aemond took Vaegar by himself like right after she just lost her rider, so why wouldn’t the Blacks immediately enlist as many dragons as they could?
cat named toebean
2024-07-02 14:04:22 +0000 UTCLiterally, the King Consort should be referred to as “your grace” it’s a blanket term for royalty above lordship. I don’t understand why the person married to the queen would have less social standing than a queen mother would. I don’t understand how it’s treasonous to correct someone calling you a prince, which is what you would be if Aegon was the king, to your grace, the most commonly used term for royalty. Either people are reading too hard into this or the writers fumbled their introduction of Daemons usurping of the throne.
cat named toebean
2024-07-02 13:56:14 +0000 UTCIs the Daemon being called your grace really treason? Alicent is called your grace all the time, so is Cersei even when roberts alive. Aren’t significant others of kings and queens always “your grace”?
Joseph Kosteniuk
2024-07-02 13:35:13 +0000 UTCI love that this shows up as i wake up. Thank you, Glidus! One note, in discussing Daenerys’ connection with the three dragons, has anyone ever discussed that she is their mother and that they may have therefore imprinted on her? Perhaps she is bonded with Drogon, but the other two follow her because she is their mother and as thus, has a level of control over them, one that may fade if they bond with someone else? I guess that would make that Rhaegal wouldn’t follow her once he bonds with Jon, unlike the series.
Bubreherro
2024-07-02 12:16:11 +0000 UTCGlidus comes back from the dead unchanged, maybe D&D were right and nothing happens when Jon dies
cat named toebean
2024-07-02 11:38:01 +0000 UTCGlimb the Glob Is Risen Again!
tomfii
2024-07-02 10:03:03 +0000 UTC
