THE FAKE JON SNOW (part 2)
Added 2024-06-13 02:14:59 +0000 UTCSeasons 4-7e5
Part 1: https://www.patreon.com/posts/106046910
Part 3: https://www.patreon.com/posts/106058052
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Also, the end of S2 with the Others marching on the Fist is taken from the prologue of Storm. So A Storm of Swords takes place over 5 seasons.
Santosh Jois
2026-01-06 14:19:32 +0000 UTCJon in S3 wasn't 80% of Storm. It was actually exactly half. Jon has 12 chapters in Storm, and he returns to Castle Black in Jon VI, coinciding with the end of S3. Then there's all that filler for most of S4, then Watchers (Jon VII, VIII and IX). Then the Mance parlay and Stannis arrival (Jon X). And S5 has Stannis' offer (Jon XI) and Jon's election (Jon XII).
Santosh Jois
2026-01-06 14:18:26 +0000 UTC2:04:50 - Joe Snizzle 2:23:10 - I donwannit 3:13:20 - Not again! 5:24:24 - I died btw 5:35:10 - We never see….. 6:07:48 - iM noT gOiNg To fiGhT yoU 7:08:18 - Craig Mazin died 7:42:00 - I killed your son/brouch 8:01:00 - Alright Melly C 8:17:00 - Glidus dies 8:29:27 - Dumb plans only 8:44:30 - Gesturing 9:00:10 - Crab!
Fred Scotson
2025-11-28 10:40:11 +0000 UTCbookmarking for myself: 8:18:04 - something else i want to show you 8:44:35 - gesturing 8:57:20 - i thought bran was dead
Bianca Fiedler
2025-06-28 15:19:03 +0000 UTCBook Ramsay definitely knows that Bran and Rickon are alive because he was Reek and helped Theon fake their deaths. The Pink Letter not mentioning Bran and Rickon at all could even be a hint that it wasn't written by Ramsay. (Or he's still just committed to maintaining the lie of their deaths that he set up in Clash.)
John Lefkowitz
2024-10-01 07:02:17 +0000 UTCSchwifto: “It’s like Mew is under the truck” Me, looking at my cat, Mew: Can you explain yourself, miss?!
Bubreherro
2024-08-27 01:08:30 +0000 UTCIf you just started listening to this part and you haven't read Fire & Blood you might want to skip from 7:51:00 to 7:52:00. Not a big or explicit spoiler but if you can put 1 and 1 together you know what happens next in season 3 of HotD. At least I think I know it now.
Vivus
2024-08-05 20:41:47 +0000 UTCDUUUUUUDE Littlefinger should have talked to Jon about the relationship between the Vale and an independent north, and he should have been unwilling to become part of Jon’s kingdom (in contrast with Edmure and Robb), but instead spoke of a strong alliance — sealed with a marriage pact between the warden of the Vale (or whatever he is; not Robin) and the king in the north’s sister, Princess Sansa.
ES
2024-07-22 15:04:04 +0000 UTCSansa should either REACT to Jon saying he hanged a boy younger than Bran, or the show should dig in to the implications of her not.
ES
2024-07-20 21:36:29 +0000 UTCI lost my place in this series and so I’m semi-accidentally watching the latter half of this video a SECOND TIME, and … should we talk about how Jon took Long Claw with him when he left the Watch? It was such a big deal in the books, and alluded to in the show, that Jon did NOT take Long Claw when he abandoned in season 1, because he knew Jorah had not taken Long Claw when he went into exile. What does it say about Jon’s respect (or lack thereof) for Jeor’s legacy that he would take it with him now?
ES
2024-07-20 21:24:50 +0000 UTCThis show got so close so often to something amazing. One of my favorites is when Grey Worm is executing prisoners because they “chose” to fight for Cersei, not seeming to register at all that actually they didn’t have a choice and that he of all people should probably be empathetic!! Granted this is a very USA-centric idea, but the show really COULD have done something about de jure versus de facto slavery, and why some people refuse to acknowledge anything except de jure, and how that’s dumb but sometimes people have valid emotional motivations to do that (and ffs, they even have a white man and a man of color having this argument!!!!), and how feudalism, like capitalism, kind of makes everyone a slave, and they could even go back to what Mirri said about “what is life worth when all the rest is gone” except with so-called freedom instead of life — they could have said more about the reconstruction era than most public high schools do, and they just didn’t!!!!!!
ES
2024-07-13 16:34:44 +0000 UTCHonestly I’ve seen better work from 15 year olds.
ES
2024-07-12 14:40:15 +0000 UTCD&D had the brain of two porn-fuelled 15-year-olds. HOTD is doing a much better job with this type of material.
Lindy
2024-07-11 22:50:39 +0000 UTCI always thought Jon’s motivation for going to the mutineers was the hope of bumping into Bran (even though he was needed at the wall and was risking men’s lives to do so). Watching the order of things here, perhaps I imagined this. It would be more explicit if Sam didn’t tell him about Bran off-screen. Your version of the mutineers is more interesting, but it does make sense to me that this situation is a consequence of drawing men from criminals and rapists.
Lindy
2024-07-11 22:42:00 +0000 UTCIt doesn’t really make sense that the Night’s Watch™️ would have a rule to forbid people from going north of the wall, but personally I think it makes a ton of sense that Tormund, personally, would use his newfound position of authority to do it. The NW classic really shouldn’t have any reason to care, but Tormund knows about the wights, and spend all those years getting people south, and I think it tracks that he would be unwilling to let anyone go up there and likely become a zombie he has to fight later. It is another case of the show not explaining things and us having to write fanfiction to fill in the gaps though.
ES
2024-07-10 03:45:00 +0000 UTCI kind of agree, that story thread is definitely there and it does do some of the work to explain it, but personally I can’t get my head around the idea that one unusual experience with one already unusual man would make her forget everything she knew about her society. Maybe I could if she were as young as she is in the books, or if they’d left that plot line with Arya who hadn’t been threatened with rape so many times in the story, or if they ever gave her any LINES to shed some light on it. But as it stands in the story, in the context of all the other bullshittery D and D were doing, it just came off to me like they were erasing the (admittedly gross!) nuances of the setting in order to capitalize on the shock value. They made it look like something out of SVU, and we were all rightfully horrified at the spectacle, but it was hard to connect that feeling to the story because every single plot beat that led to that scene was so dumb. Whereas, the scene of Viserys raping Alicent in HOTD is just as impactful (or more, for me at least), because what it lacks in shock value is more than made up for by the fact that it is happening in a story that still makes sense and between characters that actually feel like real people. Sansa wasn’t a character who made sense anymore when she was raped, and that made it hard (for me, at least) to carry that feeling of horror at what happened to her forward into my understanding of her story. Alicent was an actual character, who behaved like a human, and therefore, even though the episodes we’re seeing now are her ~20 years past that point, I still remember that that happened to her and ache for her and wonder how those traumatic experiences must be bubbling under the surface of her psyche. I think I might have drifted a little bit off the point there. What I’m getting out though is that I think her experiences on her first wedding night *could* have been used to explain why Sansa felt the way she felt, but I don’t think they actually did the work of explaining that, and given their treatment of everything else in the story, it always came off to me more like they just wanted to show a rape scene to be edgy and they did not care to make it make sense in universe.
ES
2024-07-10 02:55:02 +0000 UTCHm, I think Sansa's expectations were informed by her wedding night with Tyrion, who respected her wishes to Not Fuck. I could see her not really grasping that Tyrion's behaviour in their marriage was relatively exceptional in that regard.
Glidus
2024-07-10 02:32:08 +0000 UTCI don’t even like being alone in an elevator with a strange man.
ES
2024-07-09 21:39:52 +0000 UTCAlso, why on earth would Daenerys agree to go alone, deep into a narrow cavern with a rival monarch that she has thus far only ever argued with.
ES
2024-07-09 21:39:19 +0000 UTCAlso, if Jon is willing to say the explosive thing of “your father burned by grandfather alive, house Targaryen broke faith with us,” and all that, if he is willing to be blunt about it, then he should have said, “you are the rightful queen of nothing. Your father lost the thrown, and Robert Baratheon took it by conquest. That is a legitimate political mechanism in our society. Robert was the rightful king, the kingdoms fractured after he died, and Robb took the north by conquest. Legitimate. I am his half brother, and was chosen by the lords to be his heir. All legitimate. Get. Rekt.”
ES
2024-07-09 21:26:29 +0000 UTC1. It’s a little weird that Jon and Davos don’t immediately leave after Dany says “not yet.” Literally what that phrase means is “you are currently allowed to come and go as you please, but in the future you will not be.” Just leave!!! Leave right now!!! Maybe Jon would want to stay to keep trying to hammer out a deal, but Davos is practical and he should at least suggest to Jon that they skedaddle. 2. The Wall is neutral, sort of. Beyond it is neutral. They should meet at the night fort!
ES
2024-07-09 21:18:25 +0000 UTCOk, it actually makes me kind of crazy that Dany says she’s been raped. She HAS, but the scene with Jon is the first time she ever acts like she knows it. Yeah, yeah, I remember her crying in season 1. But I don’t think that experience would clock to her as something she could use the word rape to describe. I think that’s just what being a wife is in this world. In the books, Catelyn notices Roslyn Frey crying, and doesn’t think it’s that weird, certainly not a reason to stop the proceedings. She thinks at one point that she hopes Edmure is “gentle with her,” but it doesn’t even occur to her that he should maybe just NOT have sex with someone who is crying at the prospect of having sex with him. So, yes, WE know Drogo raped Daenerys, but the show has never previously established that SHE knows that, and it flies in the face of every interaction she’s had Drogo and everything she’s said about him since, like, s1e3. She says it so forcefully, like it’s supposed to be a moment where the audience is like “hell yeah girl you tell him!!!!!”, but it just raises so many questions!!!!! (Even spicier take: It is also weird, again, in THIS world, that Sansa considered her wedding night with Ramsay to be rape. The fact that Theon was there watching probably would have registered to her as some kind of violation, but the fact that Ramsay had sex with her regardless of her opinion on the matter should have been exactly what she expected to happen. She’s not wrong that it was rape, and it’s not her fault that it happened or that she was traumatized by it, but in-world, it’s weird that she would have expected anything else.)
ES
2024-07-09 21:09:23 +0000 UTCMy brain enjoys gobbling up all of this dragon show
Rexes shadow
2024-07-09 13:41:52 +0000 UTCAlso, the reason all the wildlings wear the same outfit is because the north is hella cold and they all discovered the best strategy to stay warm. I’m sure they hate that they’re all dressed the same, but warm is warm.
ES
2024-07-09 02:54:18 +0000 UTCI have never watched Hardhome in its entirety because I am easily frightened, so I fast forwarded through a lot of that portion. BUT, this supercut is how I learned that Wun Wun agreed to evacuate Hardhome with the Night’s Watch because Tormund vouched for Jon, and Wun Wun expressed this sentiment by uttering the single word, “Tormund.” And THEN, when Jon is convincing the wildlings to fight the Boltons, Tormund vouches for Jon again, but THIS time, Wun Wun declares his intentions by saying, “Snow.” 😭😭😭😭
ES
2024-07-09 02:52:37 +0000 UTCNot to criticize your craft, but at about 4:15, when jon is telling Sam about the dragon glass, you talked over: Sam: the dragon glass? Jon: We’re never getting that back now. But it wouldn’t have mattered, NOT UNLESS WE HAD A MOUNTAIN OF IT Sam: [doesn’t mention what Stannis said about Dragonstone] Me: [screeches]
ES
2024-07-08 05:58:30 +0000 UTCI can only assume that Janos Slynt thought he could get away with all that because, until very recently, Alliser Thorne could be counted on to side with him over Jon Snow. Alliser and Jon had that moment of mutual respect, but Janos wasn’t entirely all there for that.
ES
2024-07-08 04:33:12 +0000 UTCOh you got there literally immediately after I unpaused.
ES
2024-07-08 00:44:35 +0000 UTCI think the reason that Jon is able to say so quickly that tracking down and killing the mutineers isn’t about justice is because the conflict for him is not about doing something just versus doing something unjust. The conflict is how much of a priority is it to do something just *now* versus putting a pin in it for later. I think Jon would probably say that it *is* just to execute the mutineers, because they did mutiny and a bunch of rape. The point he’s trying to make to Alliser is that there is a practical reason to do it right now as opposed to putting that on the back burner. So he’s still not really saying that there is a reason to do something *unjust,* but rather, he’s arguing that there is a reason other than justice to make it a *priority*.
ES
2024-07-08 00:43:19 +0000 UTCI've been really sick lately and this has been such a welcome distraction. Thank you so much guys. Appreciate the hard work, re-watching this train-wreck. Haven't felt brave enough to do it myself.
Sabine Battel
2024-06-27 23:48:15 +0000 UTCThose grayer motivations for the mutineers at Craster’s Keep and them wanting to join the Wildlings make so much more sense. You could even mentally gymnast it to fit with Mr Cutlery telling Jon “you’ll never be free”.
WanderingCoelacanth
2024-06-20 10:31:50 +0000 UTCyeah, interesting. that's worth considering.
Glidus
2024-06-14 14:02:17 +0000 UTCThere is a third white, the water whites, squishes, patchface, etc? We always talk about ice and fire but never what you get when you mix them?
Joseph Kosteniuk
2024-06-14 13:24:24 +0000 UTCThis is absolutely incredible content, i would have watched this for the entire show not just Jon lol
Gaute Brandser
2024-06-13 15:26:22 +0000 UTCDEAR GOD YOU LOVELIES ARE INSANE AND I LOVE THIS
Lynn Short
2024-06-13 02:50:24 +0000 UTC
