For those of you leaving..

who else is leaving besides harris, peterson, sargon, rubin? I may have a solution ... but it needs to be decentralized ... otherwise what's the point we'll just be back at square one in a couple years when the next company goes on an ego trip.

Scott Jarvie

Same here, I'm kinda confused as I use PayPal

Hello C& R folks, I am going to wait for you to find another source besides Patreon Othais. If not I am canceling my patreon account as I will not support a authoritarian organization, I will follow you to another site or put a check in the mail. However I will not use patreon.

<a href="https://www.subscribestar.com/forgottenweapons" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.subscribestar.com/forgottenweapons</a> (yet havent found InrangeTV), sry.

I'm glad you're doing this. Nearly all of my subs here have as well...oddly, I must have missed Ian and Karl whom I would have assumed would also be opening alternative payment methods.

It's good that you're already planning for this, i've been messaging my other subs asking if they have an alternate up yet. Let us know when it's done

Copypasting myself from earlier: Well, Patreon randomly killed a large maker account (SargonOfAkkad, even if you hate him keep reading) along with some others for no violation of the TOS (which only covers actions and posted stuff on patreon's site itself), but instead political reasons (they cite some random shit from a chat that someone else posted to youtube 10 months ago where he uses a "racial slur" to insult white nationalists) by their incredibly orwellian (and appropriately named) "Trust and Safety Department." Drama, in other words, that has upset the stability of patreon as a platform. People are cancelling accounts, switching to alternative sites, and patreon is feeling the heat now.

As I said before: Rent a PO Box and post the address. I would gladly send cash

Othais some of my other shows are moving to a platform called SubscribeStar. I hope you join it, C&amp;Rsenal is the only thing keeping me on Patreon

First I've heard of Patreon booting creators. Who's gone missing if I'm ok to ask?

Gavin Rea-Davies

I'm staying with you.

Currently there is no relation except that a good portion of our base are ready to boycott Patreon for having a political bias. I am NOT saying if this is deserved or not but in order to maintain funding for the show will need to setup on a secondary platform so those users have their choice.

C&Rsenal

Whither thou goest...

Alden Skinner

I'm not going anywhere...

Ian Rupert

How are your videos and Forgotten weapons related to the people who were kicked off? I am a liberal and appreciate the history that you guys cover.

I guess I need to come out from under my rock more often. This is the first I've heard of any problems. Just let us know if there is an alternative to Patreon, I will support C&amp;Arsenal.

Perhaps it is time for a lot of complaints to the FTC against MasterCard, PayPal and others for restraint of trade! These organizations have Absolutely NO business pushing a political agenda!

Fun fact, I think Wells Fargo is like the last bank that'll deal with firearms companies. That only lasts until they put some agenda driven antis in there, which has already started with brain-dead swampmaster Maxine Waters getting a higher up position there recently. Hate to drop politics here, but damn leftists are getting extremely corrosive.

CavScout

Guarantee this is merely an attack on Patreon from Google/Youtube. They don't like being cut out of the deal. Their creators and viewers all hate them, and it's well enough deserved.

CavScout

honestly just tell me where to go and how to make sure you get some money each month, I'm only on Patreon for you guys anyway so where ever you go I will follow

Alexander Limparis

As long as Patreon lets me support you guys and there is an absence of another legit payment platform i will be here.

David Gummo

Thank you for addressing the issue, I will be glad to switch to whatever alternative you choose. Please do see if you can get others to create alternative options for people who wish to switch, as well.

Patreon has been banning content creators. C&amp;Rsenal shouldn't be banned but you never know and that's the sticky point.

Andre K

If you stay with patreon I'll stay if you go to another service I'll go to the other service, that is true for all the channels I support.

Luís Moreira

I am confused whats going on. I dont frequent message boards or forums so I genuinely have no idea what anyone is talking about.

Stuart Burton

I plan to stay on Patreon for the creators that stay, while moving as much as I can over to something else.

Jeff Freeman

I will support you guys in one way or another. Frankly, I would like to leave Patreon because of their political agenda but I won't until I can support you and a few other creators from other sources. We need a staunch free speech platform and payment processor... That passage was hilarious by the way, what wonderful customs, if somewhat hazardous!

^^ Hear, hear!

Minion

I'm here as long as you and Mark are!

As long as you can I will support you. As another creator I understand how important Patreon can be to making creative enterprises possible.

Baron Engel

With you buddy. Just notify me of new payment method/procedure. Patreon really doesn't want thousands of folks dissing them on message boards, do they ?

I hate the censorship that is going on with a lot of platforms recently. However it will not stop my support of people and projects I want to see succeed.

ThatManitobaGuy

I'm here as long as there isn't another way to support you. Should that arise, I will support you there. But don't worry, Othais, my backing isn't going anywhere!

So long as you are here, I’m here. Where you go I will follow.

A Pete Bingham

And further, if there's anyone needing a diplomatic piece of our collective mind, i.e. as with Bloke's YouTube ban, just give us the where.

Erik

Here for you, Bloke, and a personal friend. Not married to this platform in the slightest - just tell us where you're planting tent stakes.

Erik

I'm staying for now. I've been waiting for this. I WILL be leaving Patreon. Frankly, It was with great reticence that I joined Patreon in the first place, because I knew this day was coming soon, but it was to support YOU so I knew it was a good cause. I always knew eventually they would come after this channel anyway that they went after Sargon first was a surprise.Othias get another payment processor and let us know when you have and I will follow you there. If that group is scum as well then we'll figure it out. I remain on Patreon for you until you work this out.

Christopher Pettirsch

Ditto

Michael Hyde

Keep up the fight Othias. I would guess a minimum of 90% of us are here to support you and other content creators. It's too bad there isn't a reliable video hosting service and payment method that isn't pushing an agenda outside of free speech.

Tentoesbob

You has mai sword...

Tiger in man's clothing

"all the world will be you enemy, prince with a thousand enemies. And whenever they catch you they will kill you, but first they must catch you" Do kids still read Watership Down? Anyway, I'm in as long as you are.

If you leave, leave crumbs so we can find you. I will continue to support

Harold Snyder

I was just typing the same thing. Not about Ian, but about mailing you a check.

Othias: Simple: Post your actual PO Box address. As with Ian of Forgotten Weapons, If I had your phyiscal snail mail address I would send a couple of Jacksons your way. I DESPISE this sort of censorship but love your content.

The Last of the Mohicans (1992).

Nathan Boyan

Just let me know where to send the check!

Nathan Boyan

No matter what platform your on you have my support.

Pendelberry

Im only here for the c&amp;rsenal, mac, and ian.. 2 movie quotes come to mind "you go.. We go.." and " I will find you... No matter how long.. No matter how far... I will find you.. " both relevant and both true.. obscure quotes.. guesses welcome.. :)

I echo the sentiments of many here... I'm only on Patreon to support you and Ian. If you're no longer here, then neither will I.

John

Well, hopefully we can give you a choice on HOW to support us.

C&Rsenal

Presently the big one is Sargon of Akkad and they claim over racial language in a forum outside of Patreon. This is disputed two ways. 1. He was using said language to insult racists. 2. The words mean nothing and he is being targeted for political reasons. C&amp;Rsenal has no official opinion but respects people's choice to vote with their dollar.

C&Rsenal

I'm on Patreon to support the content creators I like, not to support Patreon. If you move I will, but I won't leave unless you do.

Polaxymer

I do want to leave because I was subbed to Sargon. But the crap is everywhere, and I care more to donate to your channel than the pennies patreon gets off me. I'd want alternatives to the majority of my channels before I fully abandon the platform, but I care more about the folks I donate to. Y'all are first on my list. A payment platform turning into a biased publisher is second.

Will Sullivan

As long as you guys, and Ian, are here on Patreon, so will I. I support YOU, so whatever is the best way for me to do that, I will keep on from my end. I could care less about what Patreon does or doesn't do.

Nathan Boyan

I'm a bit out of the loop. Who did Patreon kick out?

As long as you’re here, I’m a supporter.

Terry Rindal Jr