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my thoughts on thunderbolts (a VERY spoiler-filled review & discussion ✨)

"you wanted to be goalie because you wanted to be the one everyone else could rely on if they made a mistake" y'all... my heart 🥹😭

the usual disclaimer that these are obviously just my own personal opinions on the film, etc! but i really loved this one & i hope you guys enjoyed watching it, too :')

also... this is a totally normal viewing history:

...right? ...right? 😂💀

(also i didn't want to discuss anything super major from daredevil: born again just in case someone hasn't seen it & doesn't want to be spoiled, but... i think we all know what matt was experiencing in his shame room & i'm heartbroken just thinking about it 😭 & peter parker?! rip to the nyc heroes who had no idea what was happening but were ~going through it~ for a bit there :/)

my thoughts on thunderbolts (a VERY spoiler-filled review & discussion ✨)

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@12:20 THANK YOU!! I really enjoyed this scene (Florence Pugh killed it) but um, excuse me Alexei, you seriously going to ask, "What happened?" I had an issue with this in Black Widow too. He's played as goofy and fun, while he stood back and showed no remorse or guilt or shame for letting the girls go through the RedRoom or praising the red in their ledgers @19:35 Lol, I was waiting for you to say AoS space team! My thought walking out of this movie was Simmon's quote: "The steps we take don't have to be big, they just have to take us in the right direction." The movie wasn't perfect, but it was heading in the right direction. :) Also, did you catch all the little AoS references? - Val saying we need a 'shield' to protect the American people - Sentry pulling a Daisy and blasting up into the sky before coming back down and making a glass of water vibrate and explode - Yelena saying what val did to Sentry was 'inhuman'

Yani Dodge

Just gonna say while I’m not a hundred percent sure I believe alexie was teamed up with nat and yelena in America, He didn’t find them bring them to the red room but I’ll also rewatch black widow and double back

Mitch Macc

2:37: "I'm not going to cry, guys." It's okay; we're all lying to ourselves about that. 4:13: Re: Antonia's meaningless death. Let's all remember how when Iron Man 3 fumbled The Mandarin (twice), they immediately retconned it in a short, and rectified it in the next relevant movie, and they kept a talented actor on board. 6:44: It's equally easy to write an honest pro campaign as it is to write a disingenuous anti one. Especially in this day and age where conspiracy theorists have a foothold in our political system. "Don't vote for the Nazi-Soviet assassin who could be triggered by magic words that he claims he was cured of by that secretive African nation that threatens American supremacy." 13:34: One of Black Widow's few great failings was not digging into Alexei's mindset. His entire character is a collection of contradictions. Mother Russia is both his proud homeland whose greatest hero he got to be, but also the uncaring bureaucracy that sidelined him to America before tossing him in prison for decades. The Red Room is the location that both made his daughters the greatest warriors on the planet, but also destroyed their childhoods and treated them like objects. Yelena is the star pupil of the esteemed Black Widow program and Natasha is its greatest traitor, and he loves both his daughters for their successes. He has no wife and her name is Melina. He has no children and their names are Natasha and Yelena. They are all successful women of their own accord, but also because they are related to him. Pride is all that keeps Alexei going, because if he were to actual confront his guilt, his grief, and his failure, he would implode. 14:45: You're pinning a lot of Yelena's trauma on Alexei, when it was Dreykov who ran the show, and Alexei's failure was not trusting his gut in one crucial moment because his boss, his ally, and his friend dismissed his concerns with pinpoint-accurate appeals to his lust to glory, to casual misogyny, to tradition, to the sacrifice for greatness. 15:15: Alexei doesn't understand because he never lost his spark; his spark is indominable. He is foolhardily optimistic to a fault. And he learns from his mistakes. He wormed his way into a driving Val, who he was desperate to get hired under, but the second he realized she was another Dreykov, he squashed that dream and jumped into action. 16:11: Re: Alexei's shame room. Well, there you go creating one of those fan-edit premises that are so good, it physically hurts that it wasn't the case. That's the moment I've been focusing on every time you bring up Alexei. The MCU consistently fails to remember that what makes their movies great is that they (frequently) cast people who can embody these characters, even just a few minutes at a time every few years. But they can just click into place, and our brains fill in the gaps. I just wish we could get more side parts in the TV shows, like Yelena in Hawkeye. Big team-up Avengers movies will never give us enough interaction time.

Christopher T Verdery


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