Evermore (the next preview)
Added 2022-09-12 10:17:55 +0000 UTCIn case you need a refresher, this immediately follows the first half posted here
Also I know what you're thinking, the first TEN parts were 67 minutes long and the next TWO parts are 55 minutes long.... and yeah haha that is true. By "first half" I just meant the first 10 parts out of 20 on my numbered list. I've tried to trim the 2nd half down a lot but it's just meaty, I think it takes a long time to try to articulate why something like gameplay doesn't work
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This is so funny to me. What is the gold even for
Frita Gee
2022-10-20 02:37:31 +0000 UTCAs a seaworld ticket seller/guest relations worker (and just as someone who lives in Florida), hearing “the tickets go from $15 to $34 per person. To local Utah people they claim this is very expensive.” made me giggle lol. Meanwhile tickets for entry in seaworld is $125 per person and it’s one of the cheaper parks in Florida 😭
Gothshark
2022-10-04 20:57:57 +0000 UTCYeah agreed, and I can think of many ways to help even if they're the "gruff" character or if they're the wrong character to ask. Like "Another charity case, sounds like you're lookin' for the innkeeper, she's always handin' out odd jobs." Or "I don't know about a quest but I'll make you a wager..." But even just doing that would require some structure and planning, otherwise the characters would have no idea who to send you to or what tasks to give you beyond what's in their immediate line of sight lol
Jenny Nicholson
2022-09-28 00:03:25 +0000 UTCOne of the thing that really strikes me in these videos is they don't give their actors any direction. None of them know how to react in the negative to a question from a guest without sounding so rude. The clip Jenny showed in the first preview where the guy goes, "A quest? Like saving a princess? Sounds like fairytales to me." That's whimsical but is kind of rude since asking for 'a quest' seems like very clear guest parlance for wanting to participate in the LARP story and the actor didn't "yes, and" that in any way. The guy in the glasses also similarly shuts down Jenny's group in this preview. They could at least direct people to where to go in character when they can't help. It's a shame because I have so much love in my heart for character actors so I don't want to be unkind to them. I think it's just a management failing that you need to screen for/train for how to say no while keeping the experience in tact.
SweetAlissum
2022-09-27 18:35:22 +0000 UTCJenny is so wonderfully cool. If I bought 8 tickets and they gave me credit for 1, I would be screaming obscenities!
Michael DeBellis
2022-09-27 04:50:33 +0000 UTCAbout the gold - "They can't make it look cool or people will steal it." - That's free advertising that they're missing out on. If metal coins are too expensive, use cardboard or thinner with a fancy pattern and the Evermore logo. Call it Evergold? And each one that's stolen is a free advertisement for the park, lost in a parking lot or pinned to a wall or left on a car seat.
Stephen Gillie
2022-09-22 01:58:29 +0000 UTC"They must have known the money they had was all they would get until they opened and started turning a profit." That's not the Startup mindset. Tech bros expect that they can just beg the investors for another round endlessly, and that profits won't be expected for the first decade. It's how Twitter is run. "A business doesn't just run out of money as a surprise." Some videogame companies do, when they learn that the investors eventually say "no".
Stephen Gillie
2022-09-22 01:34:33 +0000 UTCI want a tour of the binder so badly! I used to collect the park maps starting from my first visits to Disneyland and Six Flags Magic Mountain in 1995. My grandmother lived in SoCal so it was a cheap-ish summer vacation, and so I had park maps for both parks from 1995 to about 2006. I recently went looking for them at my parents place and learned the box was thrown out due to a Marie Kondo purge by my mom. I just kicked myself for not taking that box with me when I went to college! 😭
James ShinHito
2022-09-18 22:24:13 +0000 UTCSo what I’ve learned from the Evermore saga is that if we want a full and finished Evermore we need to go to THE GRID and ride the loud indoor Go-Karts 10,000 times?! I think THE GRID the true secret hidden quest of Evermore?! It all adds up!
James ShinHito
2022-09-18 22:19:16 +0000 UTCI need to see a tour of the binder of park maps! I love collecting stuff like that
Renee Tapia
2022-09-17 17:14:08 +0000 UTCHere’s where I learned that at some point one of my college professors was “Games Master” at Evermore…
Jack Brannelly
2022-09-17 02:05:30 +0000 UTC"Jenny Nicholson: Undercover Theme Park Boss". (I would gladly watch that series!)
Joy Wood
2022-09-16 22:11:32 +0000 UTCThat part made me wonder - with many guests being dressed up in similar quality costumes, how are people to know who is an actor and who is another guest? Lord Lenscraft there just looked like a guest...
Eryn Seeotter
2022-09-16 01:28:28 +0000 UTCFrom now on, I will assume that all storage buildings are probably full of Snakes and Buzz Saws.
Eryn Seeotter
2022-09-16 01:25:54 +0000 UTCYou're getting a little lazy not to wear a costume for the video.
Mr. Creosote
2022-09-15 18:25:46 +0000 UTCWhen the full video drops, i am making a big bowl of popcorn and pouring a big soda and not moving from the couch till its over
Camilla
2022-09-15 14:52:42 +0000 UTCHe really is
Jenny Nicholson
2022-09-15 13:57:34 +0000 UTCI've heard that the original storymaster was the ceo's child who's into cosplay
Jenny Nicholson
2022-09-15 06:37:05 +0000 UTC"But they don't Because they can't Because the gold doesn't matter Because the system is broken Because the game doesn't work .... anyway" 😂😂😂
Jaz Mei Luo
2022-09-15 02:08:20 +0000 UTCThat's so upsetting!!! Also...pebbles? So neither dragon scales nor the bare minimum candy??? I would've been so mad as a kid
MW
2022-09-14 14:26:05 +0000 UTCSo, I’m a local and I went with my kids this past spring during their Easter event. First time I ever went. It was such a surreal event because it really was like being dropped into this cool town to explore, but realizing you couldn’t actually explore and that no one seemed to know what was going on. They had some cute things to do for the kids. The concept was a dragon egg hunt and there were a bunch hidden. We did have fun trying to find them, and you could ask characters where to look if you got stuck. You had to use your phone (or as they whimsically called them, your magic mirror) to take pictures of each egg as evidence, and there were like 50 eggs hidden in various locations. If you got half of them you got some candy, if you got 45 you got a dragon scale. Neat! In concept…as we walked around looking, they had fairies and knights running around who clearly had a plot line going where they were at odds. The knights were hunting the fairies and you could theoretically choose who to help, but not really because they wouldn’t leave their zones so the actors were constantly trying to redirect the little kids who were “helping” fairies escape or knights hunt. A weird elf couple asked my daughter her name and hinted that they would write it in their book, and that if she did they would owe her a favor in exchange for her name. It was a pretty significant FEELING beat but then nothing happened and when we saw them later to ask for help finding eggs it never came up again lol. They did have the dragon tamer guild out and about, and there was one running around urging us all not to panic if we heard roars because the situation was totally under control. I kept thinking something would happen because his panicked interactions with other characters seemed to escalate, but then nothing did. There was a lady with a baby dragon that was pretty cool. When we finally got most of the egg pictures, we went back to the hobbit house place for our prize. There was a big line, but it was ok because we had scoured the park wanting a dragon scale instead of candy. After waiting to meet with the grand wizard who would verify whether our quest was successful, we got to the front of the line where a lady handed my kids two pebbles from a cup without checking their magic mirror pictures, and then ushered us out of the room. My girls were very unhappy that they did all that work for two random rocks 😂 they did get some of those trinkets you mentioned from the fairies, which were little glass beads, and there were lots of animals around and a little market with clearly local artisans selling pretty unique things. But overall it was sadly underwhelming and I thought that the actors were pretty great, but there just wasn’t any tangible way to involve us in the experiences. I wasn’t sure if the little stories the actors were kind of portraying we’re real canon plot lines I could pursue, or if the poor actors were just doing what they could to make it interesting. If they were purposeful story beats with participation opportunities then I didn’t know how to engage properly I guess, or they just weren’t ever given a satisfying progression aside from “are you on the fairy side or the knight side?” and that was about it. The knights gave my family a quest to find the fairies and show them their location, and when we came back to do it they just…wouldn’t go with the kids? My daughters were frustrated because they were trying to engage with their little mission and it seemed like we weren’t supposed to DO the quest actually. So it was like…wait were we supposed to find fairies and show you or not…? Confusing. I chalked it up to being because it was a special Easter event but maybe that’s just sort of the vibe 😂 Little remnants of quests were everywhere but when we asked about them no one seemed to know anything so… In conclusion I have 50 random photos of dragon eggs hidden in trees on my phone and NO DRAGON SCALES, DAMMIT
Mouskemeg
2022-09-14 04:43:38 +0000 UTCcarpetbagger is a legend
Clem Ellis
2022-09-13 16:54:01 +0000 UTCCan't believe how engrossed I am with the Evermore story after watching these previews.
Bear
2022-09-13 16:33:55 +0000 UTCSo glad you are continuing to work on this. The earlier previews were great.
Michael
2022-09-13 14:38:12 +0000 UTCI can see all the hard work put into all your videos but the Evermore video is spectacular. I love your make up look in these newly shared parts! Thanks for pushing through your editing frustrations. You made my night with the new content.
Ali Anne
2022-09-13 14:11:59 +0000 UTCReally interesting video, I’m excited to see the whole picture! Super entertaining and well explained, as always. “Baggins family vlogs” was a great touch. I watched the first teaser before and am still dumbfounded by their decision to do “the night Evermore went dark”— it feels like yelling “fire” in a crowded theater! I can’t imagine they’d do it again, though.
Kate B
2022-09-13 06:58:54 +0000 UTCI did not expect this place to get so soundly upstaged by my own city's Heritage Park. There may not be that many activities at Heritage Park, and no rides that wouldn't have existed in the 1900s, but at least every building has stuff in it. At least there's always something to look at. And a pretty great bakery instead of theme park nachos. Now that we've dug into the park's failings, I'm excited to see where parts 13-20 take us, and if maybe the tree puppet comes back, I love it. (And, okay, maybe I'm the only one who was excited by the Ginny Di cameo, but I stand by my reaction.)
Dan Gibbins
2022-09-13 06:02:18 +0000 UTCLmao at the guy who is just straight up rude and doesn’t even know what a “guild” is
Matt Grippi
2022-09-13 02:42:28 +0000 UTCLost Island is weird! I don't really know its backstory, I think it's cool they tried to give it a backstory and bespoke decorations to make all the prefabricated rides match. Something weird and barren about it tho. The buildings remind me of a kids playset where the sculpting looks kind of detailed but the paint is just one coat of one color. And no plants anywhere, I don't even think they're growing in I think they don't have any It is nice they did one dark ride
Jenny Nicholson
2022-09-13 01:52:19 +0000 UTCYeah exactly. It's been over a year since our trip and my friends and I have had many long conversations about a million separate things that went wrong
Jenny Nicholson
2022-09-13 01:36:26 +0000 UTCAs a native Utahn and a past theater kid, I actually know a few people who worked there. The whole thing makes me really sad because it seems like the actors really loved the role-play aspect of working there. It sucks because something in this realm could be really fun. I saw in a FB post that some of the actors are still meeting and doing their own adventures and larping after being laid off in 2020, but that was almost a year ago so who knows now. I think any potential the park had died in 2020 tbh.
Laura Wilcox
2022-09-13 01:30:45 +0000 UTCI bet you already know but when you cut to your video of the family trying to find the dirt audio is missing. Thanks for sharing the preview!
Sean McCreary
2022-09-13 00:16:30 +0000 UTCThis is really funny to see after how amazing Phantasialand looks. The whole unfinished vibe reminds me of the Lost Island park that opened this year. Have you heard about that one? If so, what are your thoughts? I heard the dark ride is pretty good.
Steph K
2022-09-12 23:42:45 +0000 UTCReally great look when your four-year old theme park is already decrepit and falling apart.
Isaac Lawton
2022-09-12 23:20:43 +0000 UTC"Bring me gold." This has very similar vibes as to when Jenny was playing the VPD game, going around asking for money to inappropriate characters. I love it.
Adhesive Moth
2022-09-12 23:07:51 +0000 UTCYES SUCH SLEEP NO MORE VIBES except less scary lol.
Spencer Hastings
2022-09-12 23:02:25 +0000 UTCThe vibe is very different but the idea of walking around and following the story in an immersive environment reminds me of Sleep No More in nyc.
Spencer Hastings
2022-09-12 23:02:00 +0000 UTCHave you been to Sleep No More? I coincidentally just went this weekend.
Brittany Rees
2022-09-12 22:24:58 +0000 UTCI recognized it immediately from the "things to do at home" video haha
Skylin.
2022-09-12 22:01:28 +0000 UTCI cringed at that — for the performer because yikes
Jen Canary
2022-09-12 21:51:37 +0000 UTCYeah if explicitly asking for quests is the only way to get a quest (which is an understandable approach to avoid giving them to guests who don’t want them) then your worldbuilding needs to normalise that as a thing that people do in-universe! Being passive-aggressive about it undermines one of the core fantasies of high fantasy RPGs: the idea that society runs on this system of perfect mutual aid where you can travel the world and support yourself by doing fun miscellaneous tasks for the locals
Porge
2022-09-12 21:45:10 +0000 UTCI guess the theme turned out to be "fire hazards"...
AK Barratt
2022-09-12 19:23:38 +0000 UTCdrop the link to that kirby sis
Tommy T
2022-09-12 17:51:56 +0000 UTCI am so excited to see this! Thank you so much!!
Becca H
2022-09-12 17:48:50 +0000 UTCI was trying to figure out what makes this video so compelling, and I think I've put my finger on it - it feels like a prompt for creativity: if YOU had to design a fantasy-themed adventure park on a limited budget and make it compelling for both new and returning guests, how would YOU do it?
MJ Crom
2022-09-12 17:34:02 +0000 UTCYay, more Evermore deconstruction!!!! Knowing nothing of the park beyond your video, it sure sounds like the planners discounted the need for, like, experienced writers & game-masters to develop interesting activities and connected story threads.
Anastasia
2022-09-12 17:26:17 +0000 UTCLooking good! Really tight sections here!
Jacob Yeavello
2022-09-12 17:19:24 +0000 UTCIt feels like a lot of the critique of the Evermore gameplay is a cousin of the Star Wars hotel gameplay critique -- didn't you say in that video that your choices didn't seem to affect the storyline at the SW hotel, and you couldn't get the storyline you wanted by e.g. offering to help First Order officers? Just bad gameplay in both instances.
Marissa Collins
2022-09-12 16:59:50 +0000 UTC“What are guilds?” 🥶 ICE COLD Reminded me of the parts in the first preview video where guests would be like “… do you have a quest for me?” And they’d be like “hah! A quest? That’s like something in fairy tales!” or “A quest?! You want to do good, lad?” Throughout the years, I’m seeing a theme of actors trying to create realistic gritty vibes by subtly negging guests who ask them for things. 😵 (I don’t blame individual actors at all — I think this is a training failure)
Madeleine Jubilee Saito
2022-09-12 16:44:37 +0000 UTC"We'll respect their tarp."
Ham
2022-09-12 16:37:04 +0000 UTCThis must have been SO much work for you and I really appreciate all you've done! I'm new to amusement park analysis but Evermore is nearby and it's really helpful to hear your reasons why it doesn't work and how it could work better.
Becca Yaga
2022-09-12 15:54:46 +0000 UTCalso yes all the meow wolf locations are amazing!!
MW
2022-09-12 15:41:48 +0000 UTCJENNY MY SECRET BIRTHDAY WISH WAS FOR YOU TO RELEASE MORE OF THE EVERMORE VIDEO AND IT CAME TRUE YOU JUST MADE MY DAY!!!!!!
Woody Sims
2022-09-12 15:38:10 +0000 UTCthis video is legendary
soph
2022-09-12 15:13:14 +0000 UTCProbably because I recently re-visited but like near me in Indiana there is a place called Conner Prairie and I feel like its what Evermore wants to be, except instead of fantasy themed it's historical set in the 1800s Indiana. But it's really well done - even if you go on a day with fewer actors (off season) all the houses are still open and you can just go in and look at all the things. And they usually have some sort of special event going on and you can interact with the characters as much or as little as you want (when we went there was a funeral happening at 2pm and before then you got to hear all the backstory from various characters) (it is educational like you are learning about history but it is also fun) and yeah I feel like it would not take much to turn that idea into a fun interactive fantasy park so it's really sad that Evermore failed so hard
MW
2022-09-12 15:10:34 +0000 UTCLoved this, especially the bit where you used a puppet for an Evermore spokesman, and also talking about OmegaMart, I was there a month ago and it was amazing!
Andrew Sasala
2022-09-12 15:09:58 +0000 UTCJenny gives out precious consulting advice to struggling businesses…Jenny For You
IHateBerwald
2022-09-12 15:03:15 +0000 UTC"Are you part of a guild" "What are guilds?"
Gemma
2022-09-12 14:47:56 +0000 UTCThe fairy garden and the whole "no tree cottage" situation feels like something that could be easily fixed without as much financial commitment-- fairies are tiny, yeah? Build it all in miniature. Have a tickle trunk area where kids could put on wings and wands and flower crowns and run around for a scavenger hunt. I'm literally building their spring program in my mind right now, somebody hire me!
Meaghan Duncan
2022-09-12 14:24:49 +0000 UTCThe ceo did try to court investors at some point, then when he couldn't find any basically changed the narrative to say he'd always preferred to fund it himself because he doesn't have to answer to anyone. Interestingly there were rumors for awhile (and very blurry photo evidence) that Kanye had come and been shown around the park as a potential investor, but it doesn't seem like anything ever came of that
Jenny Nicholson
2022-09-12 14:22:36 +0000 UTCoh that's weird, idk how that got switched off
Jenny Nicholson
2022-09-12 14:11:05 +0000 UTCi cackled at 'the baggins family vlogs'. the entire evermore saga is so fascinating to me, and your outfits are absolutely iconic.
Lauryn Goates
2022-09-12 14:00:20 +0000 UTC"The Baggins Family Vlogs" 🤣🤣
Luis
2022-09-12 14:00:18 +0000 UTCGO JENNY!!! I cannot wait for this! And I can’t wait for you to get to enjoy the satisfaction of it being done!
Madeleine Jubilee Saito
2022-09-12 13:51:42 +0000 UTCThanks again for an interesting and engaging video. The analysis of the gameplay and the various approaches over time was great. I have to say that I agree that Lore/Aurora ’19 was the park at its best. Mythos ’21 was probably the park at its worst. It has improved in the past year or so, but not up to the ’19 level yet.
Nick Holland
2022-09-12 13:39:11 +0000 UTCi really like your outfits for the evermore videos so far
bingo bango
2022-09-12 13:14:44 +0000 UTCOver 3 hours of fresh content this month! We really are spoiled 🤠
Luis
2022-09-12 13:06:48 +0000 UTCI'm personally going to watch this 2 million times
Andrew Hill
2022-09-12 12:53:02 +0000 UTC🗿
Shred Cadmium
2022-09-12 12:12:28 +0000 UTCWait, let me get this straight. Is it a rock that looks like a face or a face that looks like a rock?
Daveed Ben dov
2022-09-12 11:57:35 +0000 UTCRe: "Unsettled dirt" (40:48-41:04)- you can't really hear anything in that footage, is that intentional?
Yoav Fine
2022-09-12 11:37:41 +0000 UTCThe whole experience seems very depressing. It feels like they should either shut down or get some more investor cash otherwise it's just slowly dying. By 2024 there will just be a single room with a guy in a top hat greeting guests "well done, welcome to the guild" and then they leave.
Ben Sherwood
2022-09-12 11:20:52 +0000 UTCUhhh mmmmaybe a bit over 3 *that emoji that's grimacing*
Jenny Nicholson
2022-09-12 10:43:47 +0000 UTC6 hour video incoming
Jason Tracey
2022-09-12 10:25:15 +0000 UTC
