D&D Court: Bonus Cases - Asleep at the Table

It sounds like this player has Narcolepsy and may not know it or may not want to admit it.

Penguiney Migubbins

I need a oneshot with murphbot at the reins

Nils Lübke

I would let mobile halve the centaur penalty

Scordo

Obviously this episode came out forever ago so no guarantee the DM/players of this case would see this, but last year my sister started getting extremely tired and began having somewhat irrational mood swings (nothing crazy, but she’d be annoyed or mad about something that wouldn’t normally bug her) and it turned out to be a brain tumour. Obviously not everything is always worst case scenario but I’d be concerned if I was the sleepy players friends - it’s always better to get it checked out if it seems like it could be a health problem.

Hazel Sands

Yeah they'll "ram" ya. Nice one murph

Max Herzog

This post / episode is missing the Short Rest tag.

Ken W

Is the sleeping player my boyfriend? :-[

Ben Kullerd

it's not that hard to flavor the mobile feat to allow for like, special shoes or whatever I feel like specifically taking mobile makes it fine because they're trading leveling out a downside for taking something additive the same way you might use a skill point to raise a negative stat rather than increase a positive stat even more

Brinnanza

The Thief Rogue's second story work feature would allow for the climbing centaur build, RAW.

Ben Ramirez

Because it says a climb that takes hands and feet to climb in the description, a check would make perfect sense for allowing them to find spots to not use their hands as they head upward

Anthony

My thought was a neurodiversity like Autism or something.

MacKenzie Tobias

I'm worried that the person in case 1 might have a medical condition or something. When I was iron deficient I was ALWAYS falling asleep

Squishy, Pawpaw's Brushtail Possum lover

Not sure if it was said about the centaur issue, but "4 extra feet instead of the normal 1extra foot" means that you would move at 1/5** walking speed, not 1/4 (i.e. 5 total per foot instead of 2 total per foot). Either way the centaur is straight wildin

Braxton Stein

I used to work two jobs 80 hrs a week and would frequently fall asleep at the table during our once a week DND session, but my husband and friends knew to prod me awake, or if I was too far gone to pay attention they would prompt me for rolls when needed, but I refused to leave the table or let them call it early, it was my one escape of the week

Jessica Cooper

Oooh DM here with sleeping player idea! for sleeping players I have a personal solution that my players actually look forward to If a player either can’t make it last second while the others are on call or falls asleep I do what I call “dream sessions” caused by inhailing Kobald bone dust on the wind which is hallucinogenic and causes a shared trip if people smell the same bone so they have a crazy adventure in a messed up dream world where they have their classes and abilities switched to be as different as possible, the demon hexblade warlock turns into a dorito infused paladin and the wild magic barbarian becomes a bard as an example then they fight things like zombie versions of my homebrew creatures or just objects made giant and into zombies

Dylan Miller

Sure, its boring, but lets not act like it doesn't matter. Also the fact that it's not surprising that WoTC is evil and stupid has no bearing on the importance of the conversation.

Sam Johnston

noooo it's so boring. Everybody is acting like it's a surprise that WotC is exploitative despite the history of their behaviour being 100% inline with this.

Summer Tribe

First time DMing, first session, first battle, I rolled to hit all 3 of the players at once and rolled 3 nat 20s. One of them stayed up thank Dice christ. I was considering fudging the roll but they already saw the look of shock on my face

Lemons

Sure, that would be great too.

Sam Johnston

Would actually love to hear from them prior to that. This stuff is wild, the sooner we can get their thoughts on it the better imo.

Whitney Weltz

Once WOTC makes some official statement on the OGL 1.1 bullshit, can we please have an episode discussing it? I know ultimately you guys could pivot away from DnD pretty easily and its not going to ruin anything, I just want to hear from you guys what you are thinking.

Sam Johnston

Does anyone by chance have tickets to the Boston show on Jan 21 they would be willing to trade for the Jan 22 show?

Levi Seidel

Interesting. I was going to counter that Centaur is more specific than speed rules, so specific trumps general. BUT Equine build says "instead of the normal 1", which would fold it fully into the part of the climbing rule that climb speed negates. Looks like Caldwell was the most Raw though, as the climbing rule grants DM discretion to require an Athletics check for certain surfaces.

Adam McBroom

My centaur swarmkeeper Phae recently was turned into a homebrew drider broodmother due to shenanigans with a hag and her demon bestie. Genuinely excited to not deal with the climbing issues anymore. We got caught up at the bottom of one too many cliffsides. Unfortunately her magic horseshoes (+30 ft walking speed) dont work on her spider legs

Sid Dickless

So wait, even more RAW, the centaur equine build only takes effect based on regular climbing, on creatures without a climb speed. Since Roving grants a climb speed, it doesn't actually take effect, and the Centaur can sprint straight up a mountain.

Gearbox

Egg

The hoofs aren't what make goats great climbers, its their body shape, their sense of balance, their incredible eyesight, and exceptional cognition including hyper awareness of space and shape. Deer have the same hooves but are terrible at climbing because their haunches are too big, they have terrible eyesight, and they are notorious dumb dumbs. Humanoid eyes and ranger training may be able to help on some of those, but those deer haunches and human shoulders would push your center of gravity too far out from the cliff face to get very far. The arms and hands might even hurt more than they help. Even a full Goataur would probably suck at climbing because of the shoulders.

Adam McBroom

My online group plays until 1-2am pretty frequently - most of us are parents with kids so we fail our CON Saves and pass out every now and then. We just play through it, find a stopping point if it’s late, and razz whoever is snoring over the mic the next day in discord. No biggie

Big Baby Craig

Even when a bird is shot dead in the sky it usually doesn't fall straight to the ground. Those wings just want to glide. Being incapacitated probably calls for full falling damage anyway just to keep things tense, and full falling damage makes sense for restrained too since those wings are folded up, but falling damage on a non-magic flyer being knocked prone, grappled, or otherwise having its movement reduced to zero should be reduced in some way.

Adam McBroom

Communication is the problem not the sleeping imo. I can't help my bouts of sleep, but my DM & party know. They give me my 20 when I fall asleep, then wake me up, recap & I'm back at it. I want to stay up, but sadly it's a disorder 🥺

Tammie Foster

Dungeons & Dragons is trademarked so I'm sure they're still reeling themselves. They probably have an lot to figure out 😅 Not Another RPG podcast doesn't sound horrible at least

Tammie Foster

Fantastic episode, but how concerned should we be about the potential new OGL news?

Space Cat

I know right! What bird are they referencing?

Baron Trousers

I think the key with the centaur is the “hands” part. I say the centaur _can_ climb the steep mountain like a goat can, with no penalty — but climbing a castle wall or sheer cliff face incurs the penalty.

Michael

While I'd agree that the ranger centaur is a weird combination, I'd suggest the following: Since the climb rules halve your movement speed, the Centaur climb rules quarter it, and the Ranger movement adjusts a standard biped back to normal(aka *2 their normal climb speed), there's an obvious mathematical solution. Just assume that the rules for Ranger climb speed double your normal result. This means that your Centaur Ranger climbs at 1/4 speed*2. AKA half their normal speed. This provides them an advantage for their class/race selection while not breaking/invalidating the movement options for other characters.

Gwilson

I want to understand the situation where the 84 foot/round climbing isn’t enough. Unless they’re on your back, the rest of your party isn’t coming with you at that speed, and if you’re not in combat etc. I struggle to understand when you need to move a third of the speed of sound up a cliff instead of 84 ft.

Andrew Kruck

It's honestly more academic razzing than anything, but it has most recently come up when she's wanted to climb a tall building 😂

Deenaa

I was the one who submitted the centaur question, and my player is already calling for a no contest because I didn't specify that she is a deer variant centaur. Deer and goats have the same types of hoof, hence the argument 😂 Thanks a lot for arbitration, it gave me and the players a ton of laughs!

Deenaa

New shirt: “Check In And Razz”

Tim

I don’t know where I land on the Centaur climb speed - but I have to wonder how many cliffs feature in this campaign for it to become an issue

Ben Jackson

My take on the climbing is that Emily's point "they put resources into this, so we should let it happen" is forgetting the fact that their resources allow a movement speed of 84 goddamn feet up a wall as a horse, compared to their normal max of 10. Their resources have already bought them something fucking insane.

Natural 20 Self-crit

Omgs. I need to know that bird’s stats!!

Pasty Gray

Just get that centaur some horse-shoes of spider climb and be done with it. ...Then the next time she's 250 get away from the party, use magic or enemies to leave them stranded.

Allen S

Goat centaurs is also a conclusion my table came to. Imagine these rangers scaling cliffs at 60 degree inclines and pelting foes with arrows from insane angles.

Mr. Dude Sky

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Our friend Simon

A hiker was killed by mountain goat in the Olympic Mountains a little while back. They are quite dangerous.

ChappyThoughts

I’m worried about the sleepy player’s health

Adah Kinzer

Man this episode is a rollercoaster. I fell asleep at the dnd game i had been to excited for to sleep the night before and missed the battle against the big bad who my character was after. I was so scared one of these were about me. loved the "check in with your friend" comment also the "draw on them" comments, these made my anxiety feel so much better knowing the average 2 crew member thinks there are ok reasons for this to happen lol. Edit: Also the answer to what to do with the evil relic is always lick it. I have had 2 pc die in my rp life due to licking random objects. people know when i am playing, if we talk for to long i might lick something

BeanCurdHero

Forjaken made me think forsaken first

Professor Pratt

Lol the shock from the judges in the sleep case had me dying

Hijodeagua

possible that sleepy player has sleep apnea

lucilia_illustris

When I started playing D&D, I was 11 and my parents would play with my uncles and 2 older siblings. Those kids could hang and I could not. In game, they turned me into an orb that randomly hung over someone's head and it was just a normal thing for them to have 11 year old me's PC hanging over their head. But also...I was 11. Who just walks off in their friend's house, while playing an rpg, and goes to bed?

Courtney F.

Jake Rattle and Roll!

Adrienne C

I did once fall asleep towards the end of a virtual DnD session after work 😅 I laid down on the grown to just closed my eyes while I listened to my party rp-ed and I woke up to my husband/dm woke me up an hour later. I was taken to the razz patch the next session though

ananarama

Agreed. Climbing speed negates the climbing penalty!

Foxtrot

Heads up! The The Centaur player is actually RAW correct that Roving negates Equine Build. Equine Build states that it takes 4 extra feet of movement instead of 1 extra feet. However, if you have a climb speed you don’t spend a foot of extra movement, therefore a centaur doesn’t spend 4 extra feet of movement.

ParadoxEngine

The bird thing is so frustrating. I don’t know if the thing is homebrew or not, on top of the challenge rating thing. The bar is so low, dude, just find a CR 2 monster!

JT Gwozdz

Murph is totally correct, an 84 foot climb speed is already nuts

Adrianne Reimer

Just to give a generous read on top of your already generous read: until I got diagnosed with ADHD last year, I would also become extremely sleepy very quickly. It didn't come up in social situations for me, but I can absolutely sympathise with someone getting so tired they have to excuse themselves, trying to 'just rest their eyes' and ending up passing out, then waking up and being kind of pissed because you can't accept that it was your 'fault' because you were just tired when you know damn well you slept enough for it not to be an issue* (*if you were a 'normal' person). The lack of engagement is another thing though and admittedly it does kind of make it seem like they just weren't that invested in the game.

Aalexander Knight

Having a rough week and these court cases have been smashing apart my yucky brain sensations like nothing else – thanks for your eternal goofs, your honors & also that guy who hangs out near their bench eating Murph's crumbs.

Sam A.

I had a sleepy player last year and asked for advice on that back then........

Declane Gilhooley

So glad this is starting the new year! Also that AI bot you are looking for is called Chat GPT! It is awesome! You can search it up and make an account for it! It's free and really easy to do! An AI written one shot sounds like an AMAZING live show! Simply put Chat GPT on a screen up top for the audience to see! I think this might take some coordination but is definitely something I would attend for SURE!

Dylan Jackson

Everytime a short rest post drops I pray for a wild thumbnail

Keaun Brown

Perfect start to the weekend

Thomas Heniff