DF - ROUGH - DOMINATION - (Ultimate Animations)

Hi Ash!! Thank you for your kind words!! Finally I deleted the stage 01... It was the most controversial.... I'm finishing the sequence, and will be ready very soon! :=)

Mike24

You're a legend mike, best animator hands down. At the end of the day all that matters is that you do whats best and interesting for you. In my experience, trying to make everybody happy usually ends up with nobody being happy. If you are uncomfortable with something and need to pull the plug I fully understand....Cheers :)

Thanks for your opinion. I only have doubts with one stage... so this stage I deleted the preview. I don't decided yet. But I was thinking in make a package for Andrew Pose Player... so make some animations with "non" sexual content, not for WW. So you can use them in your dark histories. And I was thinking too in talk with sacrificial for his mod of violence...

Mike24

First of all, thank you for your amazing animations. I am blown away by your attention to detail and I gladly support your work - no matter how you decide in this matter. I might be too late to contribute in a meaningful fashion to this discussion but I will add my bit. As much as I would like to see and play this animation, I think that you are doing the right thing to give the level of roughness some thought. Kupocabra's suggestion to create a separate download is an elegant solution for those who want the really rough stuff. However, if you really do feel uncomfortable putting out an animation that exposes you to such horrid feedback I have a suggestion for adding some consent to the roughness. I don't know how the infamous first scene looks like but if there is beating involved, why don't you add a very small pause in which the dominator/dominatrix briefly checks on the subdued partner to find out if it's okay to continue. For instance: he/she stops mid-action, relaxes the grip a bit, tries to make eye-contact or mouths a question and in response the subdued partner gives a curt nod. After that the roughness can continue and there can be no question whether it is consensual or not. Strictly speaking, I would also prefer your original vision (MF included) for the kind of story-telling that all other animations cannot cover. But I completely understand your dilemma. Before you cancel the sequence altogether, the softer version is still better. It would be a real shame to let your hard work go to waste.

Hecate Nightlock

I agree, with Kupocabra just make it a separate download.

I'm not decided yet... I will leave the first stage for the last. I need to focus in the other stages, I have little time.

Mike24

I'm working in the other stages and I have a few days to finish everything. So I'll leave the first stage for the last...

Mike24

Why not just put the first stage as a separate download so those it bothers dont have to use it

Kupocabra

Keep the first stage bro. Just don't preview it.

I'm looking for the formula to make it seem unequivocally consensual ... I'm going to eliminate the first stage, it was the most controversial one. I keep the second stage ("Handjob" with slaping hand, right and reverse). I have in mind how will be the later stagges but I don't know what can I do in the first stage .... So... Some ideas for the first stage are welcome. You can help me..

Mike24

THe sequence will be rough, but I'm looking for the formula to make it seem unequivocally consensual ... I'm going to eliminate the first stage, it was the most controversial one. I keep the second stage ("Handjob" with slaping hand, right and reverse). I have in mind how will be the later stagges but I don't know what can I do in the first stage ... ...

Mike24

Well it is a shame Rough Sex will not be apart of Dark Fantasies anymore. Thats the reason i chose to pay more. But since its going to be cancelled i will pay $5 Tier from now. I really cant see Dark Fantasies continuing because they will be nothing Dark about it. I respect ur decision Mike!

No, Mike! That sequence leaves it for download as well and we'll download it to whoever we like. Sorry, I'm from Mexico and I do not speak any English but it's annoying to see that they want to limit you

Ok.Thank you all for your encouragement words. I will try to change somethings, I will need two days, if not, I will start a new sequence.

Mike24

If you don't want to do it, than don't do it. Don't let us push you to do something you are uncomfortable with. However, personally, I'd like to see you continue this. It's only a game, and there's virtually no one else doing these type of animations. I think KoS was but he's long gone. There's much more violence in other games, and I don't really see why people are so strongly against this. Maybe put your DF animations into a completely separate package with a user warning, so that people who don't want to see this, can easily avoid it?

You're an amazing animator but I always got a feeling of trepidation as you embarked on this DF animation venture. As the previous poster stated we are all adults and we know this is a game and not real life but if you really need assurance from us to keep going then don't. Make animations you want to make and not obligated animations because of patreon money. That's why I've considered giving animation a shot as there are some darker things that I want and rather than pressure someone who is uneasy about it I'd just rather do it myself if I can.

no you should continue this animation,remember we are all adults there no kids here..so yeah more Domination's...you really start to amaze how good you are in animations,i will cancel a few pledge but i will never cancel you..just continue to push your limits that will only make you greater

RedAlfa

Yeah... That is the problem, I'm not feel good, I will take a decsion that will not like a lot of patrons... A hard decision. But I only can say, I will make another rough sequence, but I can't continue with this sequence. I'm so sorry.

Mike24

Go to the absolute limits of what pateron allows dude. Let's not kid ourselves here. It's sex animations for a video games. As long as it's something you make with passion and feel comfortable making, people will like it. If others don't like it, they can go get their A1 animations from somewhere else. If you're asking me, I want consensual crushed pelvises and gaping orafices levels of rough (this is just a joke). Go balls to the walls, dude. I ain't paying 10 dollars for you to keep the kiddie gloves on. We're all behind you.

Arthur Baker

Sometimes you just want to tell that story, these amazing animations allow us to do that. Your animations are wonderfully done, all of them regardless of topic. I support this tier even though I don't often use them in my games but when I want to tell that story..I have them. I love having options and this is what this tier gives me, the option to play that role out or not. I hope you do continue to make DF animations, I love them. They are well made and the more dark the better really as that is what the package is supposed to be, right. More softer, vanilla sex animations are available in your other packages so it's good to have DF be what it is supposed to be... dark, rougher and more gritty.

TheLibrarian

Mike, make this a poll and go with what the majority wants. That's the only fair thing to do here.

True AI

Of course I think it's probably obvious, but my dynamic is M (Dom) and F (me-sub). Though sometimes my gf tops/Doms me too. I'd love the series to be available for all.

I can only say I appreciate the rough series of animations so few actually do them and the truth is most kink/rough sex is entirely consensual. I'm in a Dom/sub dynamic myself and we often do things like consensual non-consent play or rough/kink sex. Everything we do is with me (sub) in mind. My partner wouldn't do it if I didn't want it. Anyone trying to make you feel bad for delivering this should consider that many women like me enjoy it. That there is nothing wrong with that and video games can be a very good outlet for darker side of sex. I agree with others you can't really please everyone, but I thought I'd add my two cents. If someone doesn't like it they can always not d/l it or use it. It's a game and no one is forcing them too. Either way thank you for trying to deliver it. I do truly appreciate all the work you put into your animations.

Mike, I know you're a good guy and you want to make everyone happy, but that's just not going to happen in this case. If the majority of your Patrons are in favor of it, whether or not they'll actually use it then the logical thing would be to release it. I'm sorry people like that Lizziebean are deciding to make this their personal battleground for political correctness. It's kinda ridiculous to do so when you take a step back and look objectively at the fact that we're debating sex animations for a video game. You'll always have my support bud, one way or another.

Jean G.

The point is... I'm not feel good in this situation and at the moment I don't have encouragement for do it. I need more time for meditate it.

Mike24

You can't please everyone, and by the looks of comments, it seems that more people would be disappointed in you compromising your art for a few people who don't want to utilize their ability to A) keep scrolling B) disabling or C) choosing a different tier to subscribe to.

Apache Rose

You are an artist, and artists should never be ashamed of what they create. Sure the content was controversial, but really it's just a game and if you don't like it, don't use it. It's a pretty fucking simple concept. Sorry for the strong language, but I hate to see creators get pushed around and bullied. Mike, I think you put forth a great effort, and the final product definitely shows. I myself am fine with whatever you create. I have some creators i support that make some stuff i don't like. Guess what? I just don't use the stuff. But just because it may offend me I don't go out of my way to ruin it for everyone else. End of rant. Keep up the awesome work Mike. Don't let yourself get pushed around, you do awesome work.

Trevor

I'm fine with whatever you create. I pay for Dark Fantasies for a reason. I know the difference between real life and a game.

Cinjan

Honestly it's called Dark Fantasies for a reason if you didn't want none of those maybe don't be a 10$ tier person because, that's what's offered here.

Chia Nyx

OMG...I've said this a lot now but if you don't like it don't download the animation...this is like YouTube all over again if you don't like watching, using, reading etc. something , just don't do it. And any of you who hope this fails, I'm sorry but ya'll are poops, because creating animations is not easy, Mike spends what could be months on one animation, and we wouldn't know because of his dedication, an animation everyone else here who pays for it would like to get. Also let me be clear supporting a Creator should NOT and DOES NOT mean you own them, if you want to pay for the content they create great, but they don't owe you anything expect the content promised. Meaning if Mike puts out a DF you don't like but you pay for DF which to my knowledge has always contained Dark content somewhere in it, than Mike by default still hasn't reneged on his promises and it is yours who's issue it is.

Chia Nyx

I don't agree with your first statement especially after says "do it how you first intended" however, I agree with the rest.

Chia Nyx

I would like the MF part also!! That's what I call DF... I also know that many people hate the rough sequences because it may have a touch of violation and I do respect that opinion in all specific ways, because I hate violence in real life. But for me that's a touch of reality in my game and I'm searching for reality... so, as I can speak for myself, the forced section is still not represented enough (sorry for my english - i'm still learning - please correct me if you want to :-)) But: What I also want to say: Thank you so much for your great work, Mike 24!!

I would really like to see the DF back. The non-consensual side of it was the nice part (so to speak). If you don't support the MF, I sure will allow it for myself anyway. But I would rather not have to edit the xml at every new realease to keep it enabled. Also, all the people paying the DF tiers are there for this kind of animations, this was the reason I took the tiers. And for once that was a valid tiers. So please DF need to be dark.

Zelrish

I want to do a declaration about DF package. Now It's call simply DF because It changed the original definition a long time ago, Now It include Rough Sex, Normal Sex and Threesomes, and patrons decide in poll. In anyway, I want you to respect all the opinions and comments.

Mike24

In porn with domination or BDSM this is normal, and nobody says it's rape ... No, I'm sorry. This is not violation, it is a sequence of "domination". You can find yourself a bit of BDSM, submission, domination, bondage porn movies and tell me what do you think. Of course, you can give the context as you want, I'm not in your mind, each person will do what he wants, but my intention is that it be a rude sequence of domination. That is my intention as a creator, now use it as you want. And no, I'm not going to enable it for MF at the moment.

Mike24

Finish it because this isn't a "Dark Fantasies" tier for nothing. For $10, I better get something dark out of it. There's suppose to be something for everyone here and this is one of those fantasies. Its more than just BDSM, its also a couple just role playing. If you dont like it, go back to paying $5. Its really that simple or just dont use it. This agrument has been dismissed.

mamc1234

You never know. They did fire some devs - if they didn't get hurt, pretty sure their wallets did...

TakayaHiromu

Finish it,if people don't want to use it,real simple don't use it,or if you want to be really nice create another category,NEWS FLASH.....This just in: Sims 4 is not, we repeat NOT real life......nobody has gotten hurt during the making of this product.This concludes our broadcast for today.

Lucinda Tungsten

I agree. The DF package is turning into more of a tier for casual sex, normal sex, etc. This is not what I paid for. I'm paying for DF sequences as are most people. So give the people what they want, and for everyone else who doesn't like it, they can simply just not download it or find animations they can live with elsewhere.

Good for you buddy. If you don't want to download it then don't. We don't need to hear you say it outloud because frankly nobody cares. Keep thoughts like this to yourself. Subscribers like you are the ones who have ruined the DF package. Frankly if you don't like DF then go elsewhere.

Thank you for your work. I understand some people may be a bit sensitive to it but there are folks who role play like this. There are also stories where it could be useful. I hope you will somehow leave it as an option for those of us who WOULD use it.. I absolutely HATE horror movies and yet I see the commercials, advertisements and creators still make the movies. It's my choice to watch it or not. Same here. Folks can download or disable it or not. I don't see it as quite fair that femdom gets it, M/M gets it and its barred from mM/F. Just my opinion. Thanks for the work :)

Carmellia1

I say finish it. DF is DF. That includes the nitty-gritty. For the people complaining—remove your sub. Stop paying for something you obviously don't like. Leave instead of shaming the animator whose doing what people paid them for. There's a simple solution for those who aren't okay with it—dont download it. Period. Feel free to make your opinions known since freedom of speech is a thing—but realize that multiple people are paying into this—NOT just you.

Srin

I'll be honest; this is not an animation I will ever use and will immediately disable. I'm not going to get on a soap box here, but I personally find the content of this animation crosses the line for me. I can acknowledge the work, artistic and technical, that you've put into it; but that's as far as I'll go.

Ishandul

That's you and your Sims. And that's totally cool. You have a history and story that justifies this animation as consensual, but it is rape by default. You, I hope, have safeties in place. Safe words and an understanding with your partner(s). Rules about how far to go and what's too much. The reason those are necessary is because these are acts of rape without them. I get the BDSM scene, and while I don't care for SM, I find other aspects enjoyable. None of that changes what this is. This is rape. OF COURSE, you, as an individual can play this out as consensual. You can also choose to play this out as rape. Because it so closely resembles rape. Because it is rape. I don't mean to shame anyone about their kinks. This becomes a kink once it's in your game. Alone, as an animation with no story, no rules, and no background, it is a Rape. Despite liking pain, if a stranger did this to you, even if you physically managed to get off on it, it would be a rape. I can't ask a Sim if it consents. They can't consent. They are limited computer programs. I don't care if Sims are getting raped in someone's computer. It's a computer game. I don't like this being portrayed as something it isn't. Not intrinsically. This is not a consensual animation on it's own. We can weave it into a part of any story we want. But in the end, this needs to be turned into a consensual act by us, the players. Don't lessen what this is. It's a rape animation. And that's okay.

Lizziebean

It is a great animation. The details are stunning. People will like or not, but as Lizz wrote before, it is a game. And by the way, that is what Ladyboys here in Thailand do with their customers, if they are not willing to pay for service. Go on with this fantastic art, my friend ♥

JdR2014

^You are assuming that it's not consensual. I, for one, like to be slapped and choked in the bedroom. Even though I like it, I still flinch, I still back up, I still express my pain. Doesn't mean I don't like it, it's just a human reaction to pain. To label this as rape isn't justified. You'd have to know if the simmer has always accept off or not, you'd have to know if they had a safe word in place that was used and ignored, and you'd have to ask Mortimer if he consented to such activities or not. For me and my sims, such behavior is consented and in no way shape or form rape.

Wow. So switching the genders makes this okay? It's still rape. It's still abuse. I never meant for you to remove the animation, I just made an off handed comment that then turned into a bit of a lecture. People like rape. Clearly. Do what you feel comfortable with for your Patrons. Of course. This is your business. My problem, my issue is the sugar coating of the animations. This is the very first animation in a sequence. There is no warm up. It starts with violence. This is not funny. This is a life simulator. The detail in this is evil. The flinching. The cowering. The hand on the cheek after the attack. It is rape. Don't remove it. Make it available to MF. Not being available to women would be sexist. People want this. They want rape and violence with their game. Give it to them if you want, but be real. Many in this situation would do anything to keep the violence from escalating. That does not make it consensual. This is not consensual. That is okay. This is a game. We, as players, have choices. This is a valid choice. Please continue it. A lot of people clearly want it. But don't pass it off as consensual, when it is clearly not. Please finish it. As a rape animation. Because that is what it is. That's what your Patrons want.

Lizziebean

I say do the whole sequence for all gender combinations. It's DF. Personally,I think the Sims could use a bit more darkness

Patternless

It's funny, I like it. This is sims, not real life. Don't understand ppl who gets offended.

Datmanv

I don't have a problem with the animation. I actually think it's well done. As far as changing which genders get to use the animation to please people who may not agree.....I think that's unnecessary. T I'm sure every animation created won't please everyone, but there is the option to disable the animation I believe, not download it, or not use it. Those few (or many) shouldn't dictate what's done if rough sex was indeed the poll winner. It wasn't rough sex with limitations :/ I think those of us who are not bothered should absolutely have the option to have it in game for MF use. It's annoying that people think they can pick and choose what's "ok" and what's not in a role-playing scenario for others. If I didn't agree with MM or FF animations, what right would I have to tell the creator that I wasn't a fan? I wouldn't...I'd just keep moving knowing I wouldn't use the animations. (disclaimer: no animations have ever bothered me...) As someone who chose to become a patron for more rough sex sequences...I hope to see this completed and available for all genders.

Apache Rose

Where's that guy that was going on about men's violence on women? *gone*

TakayaHiromu

Showing the original preview of the man hitting the woman was, in my opinion, a mistake. I'm all for the animations, because, it's a game... it doesn't promote anything. I say, keep your artistic integrity and do it how you first intended. I would like all sexes involved. If anyone is familiar with BDSM, it's consensual. **EDIT** For those that are part of the DF tier, this shouldn't be an issue.

CJ

Looking forward to seeing it finished!

Kerry Baer