Monogatari Series Watch Order

Bakemonogatari, Nisemonogatari, Nekomonogatari Kuro, Monogatari Series Second Season, Hanamonogatari, Tsukimonogatari, Owarimonogatari 1st Season, Koyomimonogatari, 3 Kizumonogatari Movies, Owarimonogatari 2nd Season, Zoku Owarimonogatari, Monogatari Series Off & Monster Season i just think that kizumono fits better with what happens at the end of koyomimonogatari

Dominik Lux

I don't know about watching kizumonogatari so early on. personally I think between first season and second season would be better. Between the nekomonogatari's. But I can definitely see arguments for other placements, just not that early. At least after nisemonogatari I personally feel

Aycee

The newest season just started up again and it looks like the watch order debate will continue to develop well into the future. Honestly, I wouldn't want it any other way

hampsterducktape

im a few days late commenting but didnt see anyone else mention it, dont forget to watch episodes 13, 14, and 15 of bakemonogatari - they are not on crunchyroll

Wendy

No. Koyomi leads into Owari S1 by setting up characters and getting you curious about certain events. Owari S1 answers the questions Koyomi asks, and both of them together set up Owari S2. Not to mention the Owari S1 finale references the Koyomi finale as if you already know about it. It's all about the thematic progression, not the literal story. Just because Owari S2 falls chronologically after Koyomi, doesn't mean that's intended. Hell, if that were the case we should start the series with Kizu -> Neko -> Bake

aearae

Hana in the middle of s2 is important for the thematic progression of the season. It introduces many of the ideas explored in the following arcs and changes a fair bit of the interpretation of the final arc in s2. Without it, s2 can still work, but it loses the thematic introduction and feels a bit more flat than it should. On the other side of things, placing Hana after that final arc makes it feel rather redundant since it introduces ideas that have now been resolved. It's no surprise so many people dislike Hana when they watched it out of order. Koyomi before Owari is less important, but I still think one should follow light novel order. Koyomi includes details that are referenced a few times in Owari s1 - including a few important ones. Additionally, following Koyomi with Owari s2 softens certain events that occur, whereas following it with Owari s1 provides the viewer with a more dramatic experience. Not to mention Owari s1 -> Owari s2 has an extremely strong thematic pathing that may fall under a first timer's radar if interrupted by Koyomi. I hope they stick to the true light novel order.

aearae

MTBB is great, but there is that thing with the way they translate Kagenui... It gets hard to read with all the tae, so I'd personally recommend something like the modified yousei subs for nise and whatnot. MTBB totally works for Bake, Kizu, and Neko though.

aearae

Couldn't have said it better myself

aearae

I agree. Also, it would be best for them to watch a fan-sub.

Noctislolig

Just FYI, on my first monogatari watch I followed novel order, I watched on average like 5-7 episodes on the weekend. If I felt lost I usually wouldn’t feel lost for long because the series is surprisingly clear when the placement of events is relevant. I understand that you might feel lost if you are a slow reader, or you think you have to read every single word on every single screen. But I was pretty much perfectly able to follow it even with English not being my first language(or the language I primarily use). So I’m fairly confident they will manage. Besides, one of the big appeals of monogatari is that mystery that stems from it not being chronological.

Klarin Black

“Monogatari Second Season” is comprised of Nekomonogatari (White), Kabukimonogatari, Otorimonogatari, and Koimonogatari. I just realized I accidentally made 2 mistakes so editing post to fix it now. Hanamonogatari should be watched right after Kabukimonogatari (so after ep 9 of Monogatari Second Season). Also I accidentally put Koyomimonogatari between both parts of Owarimonogatari (which is broadcast order, not LN order). Post should be good now!

Russell Gambardella

People linked the one from MTBB somewhere in these comments, while not perfect it's the best available that has adequate and consistent translations through the whole show which is important because this show has plenty of catchphrases from different characters

Verols

Joined just for this show. Please follow the novel order, and get the right subs. NOT CRUNCHYROLL. The show is constant fast complex dialogue, you really need good subs to have the best experience.

JPUT

I would say, watching the Kizumono movies before the Nisemono season is better for a first watch, besides that, the usual order is fine.

Valtivi

I think this is the best watch order for the beginning of the story, especially for a first time watch through. Other people will say it's not in chronological order or how the LN told the story, but it *is* the order the anime was produced in (with the exception of Kizu) and is roughly how it was expected to be watched. Every watch order has different benefits and this one both introduces you to the core cast of characters immediately in Bake (instead of having to wait through 3 movies and Kuro first), does a really good job of creating a sense of mystery and intrigue with really good pay-offs, and creates a gradual scale in the increase of production quality (again with the exception of Kizu) so there aren't any jarring relapses. I think all of those are important for a first time watch, but the first two are especially beneficial to reactors who do such a good job of analyzing stories like y'all.

Thomas Young

That was just an additional point that I made, I don't think that SHAFT intended to release it the way that they did. They got screwed over by the station airing the show because they wanted 28 episodes (so they could put Hana in as well) and instead got 26 (which is why there was 3 additional episodes in second season just as recap episodes). I am pretty positive that they wanted to release it in novel order originally, but the point there is that they had a choice, they could have just as easily pushed Koi out Second Season and made Koi it's own standalone arc... but they didn't. Regardless of that fact though, I still think that the concepts explored thematically through that one character is much cleaner if you watch Hana last. He shouldn't be seen as having any kind of heros journey - that thought is literally antithetical to his character.

Oshi

Is there a good site I can use to find the correct FanSubs? I haven't watched any of them

godUsoland

There are a lot of people mentioning MTBB now, both for the subs and watch order; I just hope they bother to read the comments at all, or that some mods pass it along, since this poll is slightly misleading.

Sasaki

Whatever you do, do NOT use the Crunchyroll subs. Anyone in the community will be happy to provide you with the good versions, all you need to do is say the word

Vsimp

They're doing 1ep./week. How many episodes was Bake again, around 120-150? Let's hope they record episodes one after the other and only release them in the schedule, because there's no way someone who hasn't watched the show 5 times, like most Bake fans have, to be able to follow the back and forth cuts.

Arakis

Of course it's possible. Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean that it's impossible. You have to consider episodes within seasons as different arcs.

Arakis

Peak after peak after peak

Loayza

I would personally follow LIGHT NOVEL order like tons of people are saying. That's just my two cents, I can't wait to see your reactions and discussions to one of my favorite shows. WE'RE IN FOR TEN SEASONS OF GREATNESS!

Meow_Lin

Highly recommend novel order as well, I am assuming most people that voted yes didn't click the link.

Cristi

You got my Pledge for starting this series. I'm hyped, thx! Every order is fine in my book, even if i prefer some over others.

Temudschin

Cruchyroll's order is fine at the beginning, but later on it diverges from the order that the orginal LN author intended. Given that I've seen other people share their preferred order without providing context, I want to make add my two cents. For reference, the Light novel order is: *FIRST SEASON* -Bakemonogatari (15 episodes) -Kizumonogatari (3 movies) -Nisemonogatari -Nekomonogatari kuro (black) *SECOND SEASON* -Nekomonogatarsi shiro (white) -Kabukimonogatari -Hanamonogatari -Otorimonogatari -Onimonogatari -Koimonogatari *FINAL SEASON* -Tsukimonogatari -Koyomimonogatari -Owarimonogatari (1st and 2nd season) -Zoku Owarimonogatari The main diverging points with other watch orders are the following: Kizumonogatari, Hanamonogatari & Koyomimonogatari. The reason for these changes in the anime adaptations are mainly production issues, TV time slots, and format (OVA, ONA). When it comes to the story, now that we aren't constrained by how Shaft decided to release these installments, it is important to see them in the way the author intended to be experienced. Without spoiling, here is the plot significance of the installments. KIZUMONOGATARI: After bakemonogatari; delves in to the relationship between two characters, which is alluded to in the next installment, nisemonogatari. And this context is important throughout the whole series. HANAMONOGATARI: Between EPs 11 and 12 of the anime 'Monogatari Series Second Season'; recontextualizes a previously known character, this knowledge is relevant to further understand that character within Second Season. KOYOMIMONOGATARI: Before Owarimonogatari S1; it is not expected to have a direct resolution to what we learn in koyomimonogatari, as Owarimonogatari S1 expands on the development of a character. Hope it wasn't too convoluted, but then again, this series is like that in every aspect. I wish you have a good time with my favorite series :)

Jesús Rodríguez

True chronological order isn't even possible lmao. You'd have to chop episodes into pieces and watch some simultaneously in order for that to make any sense.

hampsterducktape

Someone needs to tell them about the MTBB release!!

madlad

Please God not the CR version...

madlad

"abomination" lmao dramatic much

ElectricAnt

So I read and it's certainly an interesting take, I can see why some points in the original doc can feel blown out of proportion or bad take, and even thought to write up something too but then my office time ended and I cba wasting time on this, despite how it may seem I won't die on this hill and if they choose to go with this weird abomination order I'll be sad but as long as kizu where it's supposed to I'm fine. But even tho I can see some of your points this whole thing is nothing else than your take on the matter, the deciding evidence being even tho you seem to think that it was shaft intent to enchance the story and not picking lesser of two evils the blu ray of complete edition of s2 has arc in the correct novel order and not one affected by airing times

Verols

That well of thought could be endless, what was he thinking when writing, what weight publisher demands had etc, with that any order goes out of the window so the actual release of books is the only available metric isn't obviously affected by production issues like anime was Edit To that other point yes, if the author says kizu first is fine either way it is, because it's his story, while that also has implications for example that he legally can't say that the anime order is bad, it's still has more weight that opinions of the viewers on how to watch it

Verols

Cheers mate, at the end of the day we're lucky for them to see it at all. It'll be a roller coaster no matter what

Wanderer

The fuck you mean, koyomi leads directly to Owari S2

ElectricAnt

I haven't watched Monogatari and I'm not planning to, but I hope they will see all your guys' comments and listen to them, so that they can get the best experience.

Nossso

The start order is correct on Crunchyroll, might be why people vote yes, but it later on diverges from the novel release order. Here is a detailed view of everything: https://www.reddit.com/r/araragi/wiki/order

Ryuuji Gremory

Here's a corrected link, my bad. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2bFdjxj43y2vyzqfBOqE78qxvxC_REHr83kihwvag0/edit?usp=sharing Also you should put them in your own thoughts and you could probably expand on the points if you agree with them in a way that would seem more well-put... I don't think that document does a very good job of actually portraying the messages of the series.

Oshi

If I actually agree with most of the points there why would I bother rewriting it? Also I can't seem to access that link

Verols

Yeah I responded with a doc of my own outlining how that doc has terrible points in a response to my initial comment on this poll. You can say that it's the "intended" way that the author put it out but that makes assumptions imo. How much of the story was outlined and how much of it was something that he released as a result of him finishing his ideas on a concept and then releasing it as part of the series... He didn't intend to publish Nise but his publisher said it was good, should we not watch it as a result because he didn't want to? Doesn't that say something about his storyboarding and outlines for the entire series? Nise is important but it only becomes more important as you continue into the series. Pretty sure NisiOisiN is also on record saying that there's no "correct" watch order and that "Kizu is chronologically first so it's a fine starting point. " Should we ignore those words too?

Oshi

Agree with the fansubs but the order on Crunchyroll is not novel order so it's not correct, only the first part in the post correct but when you click the link it's some abomination of mixed release order and novel

Verols

Every time I see this doc, I cringe a little harder. Form your own opinions. It fails to actually make any legitimate points about pre-Otori vs post-Koi. Now that I've seen this same doc for the n-th time I decided to write my own document... and so that I wouldn't just print spoilers in the chat. SPOILERS IN THIS DOC as a retort: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2bFdjxj43y2vyzqfBOqE78qxvxC_REHr83kihwvag0/edit?usp=sharing

Oshi

The order is correct (novel order) but please do not watch on CR, this show is 90% dialogue and the subs there are horrible. Buy the Blu Rays if you wanna ease your conscience but please use the fansubs recommended and offered on community sites.

dg_2drunk

Don't really care what order (I think there are merits to both) but as others have said please do not use CR, their subs and episodes are out of whack.

RomWasTaken

It's such a good write-up so here's your additional context for second time, spoilers for the whole show !!! SPOILERS SPOILERS https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1Wm8Lstrjeqi8L6HaqomSWatXFO_gItlD58dV41iHcVs/mobilebasic SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!

Verols

Worst take here LMAO

Loayza

It did deviate from the source material for Kizu tho, and imo watching anime Kizu requires better understanding of the characters than reading book Kizu. This is one of the reasons why I believe many people advocate putting Kizu later

Asbjørn Kennedy

Hanamonogatari after Kabukimonogatari And Koyomimonogatari after Tsukimonogatari

jaidoru

Here's a Google doc that summarize why airing order is not good, obviously spoilers for the whole show !!!SPOILERS SPOILERS https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1Wm8Lstrjeqi8L6HaqomSWatXFO_gItlD58dV41iHcVs/mobilebasic SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!

Verols

Why do you advocate to watch the series in the wrong order??

jaidoru

That's almost spoiler territory, that's why it's hard to argue with people like you. Any allusion you think is in that one scene 20+ episodes before is heavily amplified by you thinking about it in hindsight. Your bizarre take on anime vs ln is baffling, no, you shouldn't remove visuals from an anime, just because this isn't a slide show of ln pages doesn't make it not one of the most faithful and accurate adaptations of source material, and your feeling that one order gave you additional subversions or smth does not make it right to change the story flow intended by creators. Besides obvious change with kizu, the reason Hana is aired after 2nd season fully done not because of some stroke of genius from shaft but because airing slots aren't infinite, there was simply no place for extra 5 episodes and your can't very well drop Koi and end the season on Hana, so they choose lesser of two evils, but it's still has an impact and now that production issues are non-existent there shouldn't be any argument regarding watch order and I sincerely hope they will go with what majority of the fanbase recommend everywhere

Verols

Anything other than chronological (in-universe) only works if you're binge watching episodes one after the other, so your memory is still fresh and can piece it together. This is going to take many months, so it should be true chronological.

Arakis

CR watch order not the worst, but should be corrected anyway. There are plenty of spoiler-free comments with right order, and ever argues about it are spoiler-free, just arc names mentioned. So maybe don't create new post? And yeah, don't watch on CR. You are still paying for CR subscription, but service didn't provide good quality for content you are paying and looking for, so it's perfectly fine to use source material from links in previous comments.

declider

MTBB version is the best bluray rip to watch Monogatari rn.

Zipzip

guys this literally doesnt matter. CR subs are shit the slight watch order difference will be the least of their worries.

Zipzip

yep. MTBB fansubs is the ideal way as of 2024

Zipzip

yes please do not ruin the series for yourselves by watching inferior CR version. please download MTBB it also has the correct watch order.

Zipzip

this ^ please download MTBB it also has the correct watch order. CR is bad

Zipzip

I checked it once more and I think I can live with that order.

ZigZagKangaroo

CR watch order with MTBB fansubs is the way to go. @mods pls

Zipzip

MTBB please.Please do not watch on CR site. CR Watch Order is good but their subs are BAD. I would watch in their order but from MTBB sub group. Please mods let them know.

Zipzip

So your exact position under some of the comments here? You do realize that saying anime is different than ln doesn't take much thought to write and actually wrong in this case but to explain why novel order is better in other words than that it was intended by the author, which tbf SHOULD be enough argument, would involve spoilers and people can't do that

Verols

As someone fluent in both languages, the MTBB subs aren't perfect, but are by far the best translated version available. And as I already mentioned when I messaged you guys a few days ago regarding this, this series is a hard to translate, dialogue heavy series full of word play and references which the CR version does a terrible job translating. The MTBB version is also already organised in the Novel release order which is how the Author intended for this series to be experienced in the first place. MTBB - Bakemonogatari ( Updated 2024 Blu Ray Version w/ Fixed Subs ): https://nyaa.si/view/1776125 MTBB - Monogatari Series ( 2022 Batch Blu Ray Version ): https://nyaa.si/view/1582135 Regardless, glad Kona is okay, hope he gets better soon

Sumi

you should go into the link that they posted, it's the full series rundown - and you may choose to change your vote after seeing it.

Oshi

They sure are, it's irritating when the argument ends with "well you're just wrong" because it was released in one form one way without any consideration for additional context.

Oshi

This is the way.

Matter

I hope you'll watch the remaining seasons/OVAs after finishing these 4 entries.

ZigZagKangaroo

Crunchyroll is doing all it can to ruin the series for some reason:D not only they have not every episode and show no indication of it they also posted this fake watch order to confuse people

Verols

It’s always so “great” to see people say the show was build a certain way on purpose without actually knowing anything like that movies were later due to it being a production delay and not because of any artistic intent, same with ova’s and web animation stuff - just because of a format and now when fortunate people have the chance to watch it in full as intended they just have to come in and ruin it for them because they had bad experience, no one actually has a good argument for it, While placement of Kizu is more obvious and less people argue about that, Hana and Koi arguments are irritating

Verols

@Verols It doesn't come out of no where, there's allusion to it already in Nise and it comes up again later in the same arc prior to Hana and it actually gives you an additional subversion of why you think that character may be interested.

Oshi

A change in production, a change in staff, a change in how the story is presented.. Anime adaptations are not meant to be one to one translations of the source material. They are meant to convey the same message and the same overall story which takes place so that the meaning is not lost. I suppose you're going to tell me that Koyomi's monologue from the beginning of Kizu would've been a better way to start the films? Perhaps you think that the visuals for the show should be scrapped since they're not things that NisiOisiN described in the novels? Maybe we should cut Nise entirely since he wasn't planning on publishing it? There's plenty of examples of stories being rearranged as a result of going to a different medium that work out for the best. That's not even bringing up the style of writing that Isin takes on or his own commentary on the watch order or the "correct" way to consume his story. Regarding the other reactors - I'll be frank, I don't really think SOS bros are all that great and while I love Tee, he was getting in his own head throughout the entirety of Second Season - remember the Shinobu Bracelet incident from Kabuki? Animiddo didn't have trouble with it, I don't think Tee from nowadays would have the same issue, and those that did fail to pick up on it managed to connect the pieces together later. And that "preview" isn't really critical or crucial to anything that comes afterwards either, it was just a fun tease.

Oshi

Watching Hana after Koi not just ruins the ending it also ruins the whole motivation of a character which goes from being justified to out of nowhere, people who say to watch Hana after Koi do it only because of a single scene and it’s shock factor which is not the point of this series

Verols

The start of the order is correct so people vote yes but when you click the link it’s wrong, you should go with actual novel order here https://i.imgur.com/nfiEEn3.jpg

Verols

Koyomi was only released afterwards because the airing format wasn't regular TV length, so wrong about there not being a reason like Kizu. The last mini-arc of Koyomi also DIRECTLY sets up Owari S1. There's literally rationale from Nisio Isin himself in the afterward of Koyomi as to why he wrote it before moving on to Owari. In an ideal world, where there are no extenuating circumstances (for instance you're watching the anime as it's airing and that's all that's available), there is no reason not to consume the story in the intended order.

Wanderer

The anime adaptation did not change the source material to "build around the viewer and their understanding of the current series". It is faithful to the source material, the light novel. Which WAS written around the reader and their understanding

Wanderer

I have always been advocate of the original release order (As in the order of release for the TV shows and OVA). Every watch order has it's drawbacks but this way the show has been built around the viewer and their understanding of the current series.

Saami

There is nothing about a change of medium that justifies watching the series out of order. I did watch them in release order initially because that's literally all there was, but then I grew up. I've also read the novels, and seen the anime in a bunch of different orders and through various reactions, and more than one reactor (SOS, Teeaboo, etc.) misunderstood what was happening because of the switch. You can like it better wrong if you want, but it's not how the series was intended by the author to be seen or read.

hampsterducktape

You also realize that the story is not 1:1 between LN and anime right? There's things that were omitted from the novels and things that were expanded on and given more emphasis on the anime adaptation too, yeah? In the same way I can recognize that Shaft meant to put Hana in novel order on airing (thus the reason for the recap episodes from airing and the initial desire for a 28 episode slot) there was a reason they picked Hana to go at the end than to just push Koi to the back. I genuinely think that was a great move as someone who has read the main series and watched it while it was airing and watched it dozens of times over in just about every order you can think of.

Oshi

The order isn't that important. But the CR sub is a crime against the dialogue in Monogatari.

Chester

This fella gets it.

Chester

Which reactors were confused by that?

Oshi

Lol, okay. You're wrong. The show =/= to the novels, end of discussion..

Oshi

Yea kizu was meant to come out after bake but got delayed. Author says to watch kizu after bake(he also says it's fine to do kizu before bake) also

TheMightyAnt

The novel order released by NisiOisiN is the way to go to experience it how he intended. The confusing part doesn't come from the fact that the order of his novels isn't quite in chronological order of the story, it's that the animated adaptations aren't grouped and named identically to the novels in a 1:1 manner for whatever reason(s), which makes it unnecessarily convoluted. The watch order is: - Bakemonogatari - Kizumonogatari (3 movies) - Nisemonogatari - Nekomonogatari: Kuro - Monogatari Series: Second Season (episodes 1-9) - Hanamonogatari - Monogatari Second Season (episodes 10-23) - Tsukimonogatari - Koyomimonogatari - Owarimonogatari - Owarimonogatari Second Season - Zoku Owarimonogatari I forget where I watched them (not Crunchyroll) but I've noticed many people have said Crunchyroll has terrible subtitles/missing eps and I would definitely believe it lol. NisiOisiN writing style has complex world play in this series, and is very dialogue/monologue oriented at times, so I'd definitely watch it wherever the community consensus is saying to as it will definitely affect the experience. In my own experience, I remember after I read Bakemonogatari I was so impressed with how naturally the dialogue flowed; it was as if once the characters were created/conceptualized, the story wrote itself, or was merely a recording of events that actually happened in some alternate reality and not consciously written and made up by a person. Basically, it was incredibly immersive, and I wouldn't want bad subtitles to ruin your experience :). Very excited for this journey with you guys and the community!

Russell Gambardella

Yea kizu after bake. There is too much important relationship information that is needed in it. Also the author said to watch kizu after bake.

TheMightyAnt

If they have to switch later then it's not really fine is it?

hampsterducktape

Cool, you agree with me. The books go Koyomi then owari. Therefore the anime should as well. Glad we could agree on this.

hampsterducktape

There's nothing to "hash out," you're just wrong. It's not about which order is "fine" or "acceptable," it's about which order is the way the story was intended.

hampsterducktape

Im glad you are finally starting one of my fav series, as you have seen from the many comments, a lot of the fans have problems with the official translations from crunchyroll and whoever else did one (if they did). So we recommend you to use fan made subs like MTBB, which have all episodes intact with the best translation possible. Maybe its not something u like to do with the shows you watch, but its your choice at the end of the day. Much love <3

Vladi

They can watch hana in the middle of s2 or after it, either way its fine. They can watch koyomi before or in middle of owari seasons, its fine. The rest of the crunchyroll list is fine! When i watched it for the first time neither the movies, neither hana was out, i watched them later on when they released, it still made sense, it still was fun...Obviously on rewatch i tried crunchyroll order it was bit better follow ups from story to story and i would recommend that one for new watchers. More important is that they use diff way to watch it, and not using crunchyroll cuz bad subs and missing episodes (they would have to seal the seas for this one).

Vladi

exactly, glad we agree

ElectricAnt

Last time I checked they are watching an adaptation of book series.

hampsterducktape

last time I checked they are not reading the books. kizu was supposed to release earlier but was delayed, others don't have that excuse

ElectricAnt

Being read. Yeah. The novel series is different than the anime tho. Also it’s not just that the audience gets to be wrong for a full episode but it gives a certain character a better arc and gives the audience the realization 2 episodes later that even tho they were warned they fell into the trap. You don’t get that at all if you do Hana first. Also there doesn’t need to be any dramatic irony for the preview. Did you watch this series as it was airing? I did. It works really well this way on a first time viewing. If you wanna actually hash it out message me if you’re worried about spoilers.

Oshi

You should take it up with Nisoisin then, because that's how the books were released.

hampsterducktape

Maybe read the books first.

hampsterducktape

i hope they watch dungeon meshi soon.

Chibi

Based on the experiences of several other reactors, all putting Hana at the end does is confuse people.

hampsterducktape

Oh wow, the audience gets to be wrong for a whopping one full episode. Wow what a great reason to disrupt the order of the franchise. Not even to mention the fact that Hana comes before Otori on purpose as well. Like, the dramatic irony of the "preview" at the end of Otori also hinges on Hana already being read.

hampsterducktape

Use the version titled "[MTBB] Monogatari Series (BD 1080p) | Bakemonogatari, Kizumonogatari, Nisemonogatari... " on nyaa. https://nyaa.si/view/1582135 You will need a torrent client to download it. I recommend the one called Transmission which is FOSS.

Gus N

You're getting dangerously close to spoilers in this comment section.

hampsterducktape

maybe watch the show first

ElectricAnt

Nobody really cares about hana but watching koyomi before owari s1 should be a capital sin, so voting CR order

ElectricAnt

That’s not true. You get the same effect just 2 episodes later and you also give that character the ability to actually deceive the audience as well.

Oshi

they legit have watched all my fav shows when they start mono. Mushoku, Monogatari, Kaguya. Actual peak

Kitko

I can't fully explain why without spoilers, but the ending of Koi hinges on the reader having already seen Hana. Like, it's the whole point of the arc.

hampsterducktape

That's how the novels were released. Interrupting Owari right in the middle for Koyomi is what makes no sense.

hampsterducktape

koyomi before owari s1 makes no sense at all

ElectricAnt

Yeah they really scuffed this poll

hampsterducktape

what missing episodes? Crunchyroll list has bake 1-15

ElectricAnt

Its because lots of people just watched the Crunchyroll stuff are like "yeah that's fine" and have no reason to comment, whereas people who experienced other ways and/or are aware of the issues like missing episodes and bad subs are very anti-crunchyroll and therefore want to explain their position.

B C

I mean with reactors Im fine with them watching Hana after second season. what's important to me is they watch kizu before nise lol

TheMightyAnt

It doesn’t. Do you wanna explain what you mean by “ruins the ending?”

Oshi

Yeah I would understand if there was a bunch of heated debate about what order to do it in, but like 90% of the community is saying novel order.

Wanderer

Yeah I've actually never seen so much consensus on Monogatari watch order than this comment section, and then the poll results are going to oppose it lmao

Wanderer

+1 for everyones comments. find a helpful monogatari nerd to guide a mod on getting good subs/quality

Morgan Vh

I literally said that watch order specifically for the start looks fine, not for the whole series. They can always switch in a year when they'll get to SS after receiving feedback. Please actually read before leaving a comment.

Sanbiki No Kaeru

And also, I think you are making this way harder for yourself that It should be lol just go to the Monogatari subreddit (as much as I don't like reddit , it is useful for this stuff) and the pinned post is about watch order, pick the novel release one and that's it.

Ecodude

It seems like a lot of people didn't understood the poll bc in the comments almost everybody is talking about the novel release order but the crunchyroll list is winning lol

Ecodude

Could you redo the poll and add the entire order on the post? some people are voting without clicking the link and thinking this is novel order because the first few arcs are the same in both. The options should be: -Crunchyroll's watch order -Novel release watch order Novel order: https://imgur.com/gallery/monogatari-series-2020-watch-order-tX63UZg

Draka

This post is misleading and the results of the poll are far off what people actually mean :( The options should rather be: -Crunchyroll's watch order -Novel release watch order

Wanderer

The order is fine, just DON'T WATCH FROM CRUNCHYROLL there are missing episodes and bad subtitles. Watch the MTBB version, which you will need to torrent from nyaa.si (more details below) I don't think you should have any issues with that considering that you've already paid to watch it...

Gus N

In short: If you want LN order, you have to vote for "No, wrong order".

Loayza

I think you'll get some different opinions on the watch order, but I think everyone can agree with please do not watch this show on Crunchyroll. It is missing important episodes, and the subtitles aren't good. MTBB release would be great. Unfortunately it's basically impossible to enjoy Monogatari properly without getting into piracy.

Milk Tea

Please actually click the link before voting.

hampsterducktape

I would prefer novel order but this one is fine, and as others said, don't watch it on crunchyroll

Draka

Novel release order is the way, the airing order was a thing back in the day when the main story wasn't complete and other watching orders are wrong if you are watching this for the first time. Also I am not that picky abput the video quality but Crunchyroll's subs are awful and this is a series with A LOT of dialogue.

Ecodude

Aw, you're so right...they deviate from the novel order. They should repost the poll with the full list. Or they could just watch the MTBB version which has it all laid out nicely and then they don't have to worry about it. :)

Wanderer

Crunchyroll is missing the last 3 episodes of bakemonogatari because those episodes were aired later in japanese TV. That and better subtitles should be a priority since this show is very dialogue driven.

Manuel Soto

I could be wrong, but I think the vote could possibly be skewed by people not actually clicking the link and just seeing that the first few arcs look to be in the right order.

Ninja

The part where Hana is actually ina weird middle place during second season is something I always forget or don't pay much attention to but your definitely right that that is the main difference.

Levi Blair

So if following actual novel order, Hana should be watched after the first 11 episodes of season 2, then finish season 2, and then Koyomi should be before any of Owari.

Ninja

It's clear from several comments that this poll is misleading. Instead of posting just the first few arcs and a link to the rest, you should just post the whole thing here. Most people just glancing by aren't going to click the external link and will mistakenly believe that the rest of the list follows novel order.

hampsterducktape

Agreed. The MTBB version is excellent and would be the dream version of the show for them to watch.

Wanderer

No it's not. Hanamonogatari was released in the middle of what became Monogatari season 2. Koyomimonogatari was realeased before any of the Owarimonogatari books. The linked CR order is very much not the novel order.

Ninja

**EDIT** I'm sorry, I was wrong... the list in the post is novel order. But, if you click on the external link, the list there deviates from the novel order.

Wanderer

Please, please, please use the MTBB version; it comes with good subtitles and a properly arranged watch order. Also, it's in Blu-Ray.

Sasaki

You should actually read the link before voting because this is NOT the novel order.

hampsterducktape

**Crunchyroll is missing Episodes 13-15 of Bakemonogatari** Crunchyroll is one of the worst ways to enjoy the show due to the bad video quality (480p), and unrefined subtitles, but if anybody absolutely MUST watch it on Crunchyroll, please please please don't accidentally miss out on Episodes 13-15 of Bakemonogatari.

Wanderer

It's not. The movies were delayed due to production issues.

Loayza

Before voting please actually click the link to the watch order. What was posted here makes it look like it follows light novel order but the actual link shows mostly anime release order just with Kizu pushed up to where it's supposed to be.

Ninja

The next most IMPORTANT thing is to watch the Blu-ray version with good subtitles. DON'T WATCH THE SHOW ON CRUNCHYROLL!

Ry

Watch order for the start looks fine as long as you are not going to watch on the crunchyroll itself. Please look into other options.

Sanbiki No Kaeru

Anime might be different from novels but it's the same story and it's absolutely worse to watch Hana after Koi. It literally ruins the ending.

hampsterducktape

No

Ry

Except that Kizu was written right after Bake in the source material. All of the later parts are written assuming you know what happened in Kizu. The anime did not change this, they just ended up pushing the release of Kizu back due to production issues. Even in the anime, Kizu was intended to be experienced right after Bake.

Ninja

It’s not what they intended

Oshi

You should actually read the link they posted before voting, because it's not correct.

hampsterducktape

This is the definitive order. It is the order the original books were released in and there is extremely clear intent throughout the series on why it was done in that order.

Levi Blair

Anime is different from the novels and I think that Hana works better at the end of S2.. especially on a first watch through. Koyomi before Owari tho I agree. I wish I would have gotten that when I first watched

Oshi

I know nothing about the show, but I'm glad your dog is okay.

Charles Baldwin

It’s closer to the anime release-order how the anime director/studio intended wym

Max Bretl

Here's the novel order: Bakemonogatari (15 episodes) Kizumonogatari (3 films) Nisemonogatari (11 episodes) Nekomonogatari [Black] (4 episodes) Nekomonogatari [White] (5 episodes) Kabukimonogatari (4 episodes) Hanamonogatari (5 episodes) Otorimonogatari (4 episodes) Onimonogatari (4 episodes) Koimonogatari (6 episodes) Tsukimonogatari (4 episodes) Koyomimonogatari (12 short episodes) Owarimonogatari Season 1 (13 episodes) Owarimonogatari Season 2 (7 episodes) Zoku Owarimonogatari (6 episodes)

hampsterducktape

Slade

Sorry to hear that about your dog, glad he's doing ok!

Ninja

The watch order on Crunchyroll is fine. The issue with Crunchyroll is that A: Their Subtitles aren't very good for Monogatari and B: They are missing the last 3 episodes of Bakemonogatari. The consensus within the community is that fan subs, specifically the subs by MTBB are leagues better. I have sent you guys a Patreon DM with where you can easily find the MTBB version. The Patreon DMs should be in the "Community" Tab on the left.

RePlay

So basically, the anime fandom's go-to watch order used to be "anime release date". It matched more or less the release order of the original light novel's order. The one difference was Kizumonogatari, which was originally the 2nd novel written, but wasn't adapted into an anime until much later. So nowadays, a lot of ppl say to watch Kizu after Bake (the 1st season) which goes against anime release order but is still the intended order for the story to be experienced in. BUT, in that vein, i'd say that Koyomimonogatari should be watched before Owarimonogatari season 1. The Koyomi LN volume released before Owari, so in the same vein of putting Kizu in 2nd, i'd put Koyomi before Owari season 1.

Mystic Cat

This anime is based off of a novel series and the novels are in the order they are in for many reasons. I can't really explain why without spoiling, but the novel order is important to the flow of the story. Notice how people in support of the novel order tend to say that it's the better way to see the series and people who defend the release order say it's "fine" or "acceptable." Because they can't honestly say that it's a good order.

hampsterducktape

worst take here

Ninja

It's the order of the Light Novels (at least these four first parts you wrote in this post), so it's correct. In any case the complete order is: - Bakemonogatari - Kizumonogatari - Nisemonogatari - Nekomonogatari Black - Second Season (1-11) - Hanamonogatari - Second Season (12-end) - Tsukimonogatari - Koyomimonogatari - Owarimonogatari (S1 and S2) - Zoku Owarimonogatari

Loayza

Also I hope your doggo is doing well! Sorry to hear about that :(

Oshi

Hana after Koi? Splitting Owari in two? With Koyomi in the middle??? Nah bruh. This is like the second worst order yall could do besides the straight up release order. You'll seriously be doing yourselves a disservice if you watch it like this.

hampsterducktape

I’d say leave Kizu for last, but either order it’ll be fine! Can’t wait for the reactions!

Max Bretl

I would say put Koyomimongoatari before Owari S1, the rest of this is good with me though… You guys should really look into getting a Blu-Ray rip with fan subs too - I can get you the files for the whole series if you want, but official subs from CR are not going to cut it. Also, a lot of people are going to say they want Hana- in the middle of second season and I would like to respectfully disagree with that decision. Anime is different from the novels and I think that Hana works better at the end for the purpose of a first time viewing of the series.. I would be down to have long-form discussions with anyone that wants to respond tho.

Oshi

I second this if possible

Kochen51

Looks good. If you can though, maybe look into a bluray rip or something for the monogotari series. Crunchyroll has the broadcast version but the bluray has improvements to animation and scenes and stuff

gg78cc

While at least this order has Kizu second, Koyomi should be before all of Owari and Hana after the first two arcs of season 2. This is the order the original source material was released in.

Ninja

WB, glad you guys are taking the time to figure this out before watching!

Doodlegame