Redemption Reacts to Why most armys don't like kpop

Ahh I hate people like you who play the victim card, and act like ARMYS + BTS weren't being outcasted, belittled, bullied and put down every chance. It's absoultely so funny to me that Y'all constantly act like you're the heros & the victims and that ARMYS are the ones who start everything. Y'all love to ignore the fact that other Kpop fandoms do nothing but go against BTS 24/7, love how y'all love to ignore the fact that other kpop fandoms literally go out of their way to hold buying and voting parties just to block ARMYS & BTS from winning anything, love how y'all love to ignore the fact that people from other fandoms constantnly accuse BTS of being r@pist, or wish for BTS to get r@ped, love how y'all love to ignore the fact that all the other kpop fandoms bullied BTS so much, that it almost caused BTS to disband, love how y'all love to ignore the fact that a majority of the time ARMYS mind their own damn business and the only time we speak up is when people are being vile towards BTS, love how y'all ignore the fact that Kpop fans camped out in the comments of a little girl who died from a school shooting and made fun of her and said she deserved what happened to her because she was an ARMY. I love how much pretty much 70% of the Kpop fandom are the biggest hyprocrites in the entire world, love how everyone teams up to bully BTS & ARMY, but if we even try to defend ourselves then we're considered the toxic ones. Love how y'all constantly try to make ARMY seem like they're the villans, when ARMY are the only fandom who do stuff like organize major charity events to help people in need. Love how y'all love to ignore all the good people and kind people in this fandom and only focus on the toxic side, love how y'all only like to point out the toxic side of ARMY but never litearlly NEVER point out the toxic side of other fandoms who are 100x worse than ARMY will ever be, love how y'all ignore the fact that at the Kpop award shows, when other fandoms were giving groups BLACK OCEANS, ARMYS were the only ones who actually turned their lightsticks on so that the other groups wouldn't get a black ocean, love how y'all love to ignore the fact that whenever artists, tv show hosts etc, talk about ARMYS they have nothing but good things to say, because they actually choose to open their damn eyes and look at the good side of the fandom. You don't have to like BTS or ARMY, but don't fking sit here and pretend like all the other fandoms weren't the ones who started it, don't sit here and pretend like other Kpop fandoms aren't the most nasiest most vile people on the internet, don't pretend like other fandom like Exo-L's & Blinks weren't the main cause for BTS almost disbanding. And yes, we use the term Kpoppies, which isn't even a term to describe multi fans btw, it was a term made to sepeate ARMYS from everyone else and it was a term to refer to other kpop fandoms as a whole. Let's not forget that all the other kpop fandoms were the ones first who "exiled" ARMY and said they didn't deserve to be apart of Kpop, and they litearally had a Kpop independence day, so why wouldn't we come up with a term to seperate ourselves from them? Y'all started it fking first, and we ended it. Not all People from other fandoms are bad people, just like not all ARMYS are bad people (but y'all sure as hell like to forget that, and generalize over 70M people). I AM SICK AND TIRED OF KPOP FANS FROM OTHER GROUPS CONSTANTLY ACTING LIKE THEIR SAINTS AND ACTING LIKE THEY AINT WORSE, THERE AIN'T GONNA BE A SINGLE FANDOM YOU GO INTO WHERE EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS NICE. There is a toxic side to litearlly EVERY fandom, that's your fault for only choosing to focus on the toxic side.

REECE

I agree, have a similar experience.

Ana Aguilera

you talk as if army are the most toxic fandom ever when you have a lot of other kpop fandoms worst than them like a hundred times worse

Lizeth

she didnt say they were the first, she explained it in the comments what she reffered but they didnt read that :)

Lizeth

going to sit this one out bc I already know what yall are going to say based off the comments. all I'm going to say as a veteran kpop listener (since 2010) is that army or any person part of fandom shouldn't be belittled for only listening to one group. This isn't a team effort, people can do whatever they want and it actually gives a very negative first experience when people are shamed into listening to other groups bc they're obviously not going to like it

Sam

I got into kpop in 2008. (Shinee replay is what got me into it.) I remember when BTS debuted and how much I loved their music and thought they were so amazing. It was truly so fun being a kpop fan back then. Kpop was less known and majority of the fandoms got along. Being an ARMY back then was one of the best times of my life. I met so many amazing people and created lasting friendships. Overtime I felt my self gradually step more and more away from the fandom. The fandom grew larger and larger and with that growth came fans who started to bash ARMYS who listened to other kpop groups and just started to be really nasty. The fandom just got to a point where it was too toxic for me to enjoy being in anymore. I gradually drifted away from BTS because of it. People always say that a fandom shouldn’t be a reason you don’t listen to a group anymore…but it unfortunately can be. Overtime seeing more and more toxicity in any fandom can be a reason that it is hard to stay there. I am proud of what BTS has accomplished. They deserve everything and more…but I can’t help but miss the times when the fandom felt like home. I miss that feeling…and I often wish I could feel it again. I also HATE the term kpoppies that ARMYS use to describe multi fans. It is downright insulting.

Doyoungismyult

there is so much better videos then this I understand her point of view but it was too opinionated and biased.

Ghala_ot7

the BTS rabbit hole: mastering fandom cultivation I feel like you should react to this it really goes deep into BTS, its a long video but I feel like its quite informative. I would enjoy the discussion afterwards to

Mirian Garcia

Thank you for this. This was a beautiful explanation on the thoughts of some armys especially when explaining the big 3 part as well as need of further research beyond rise of bangtan ( rise of bangtan creator has admitted to being biased as she was and is fans of a lot of groups and has admitted to leaving out details/ facts that would make other groups/ companies/ and fans look bad though it was actually a major part of bts' history)

Grace B.

could you please react to jimin and jk cover of mistletoe please

Hannah

this!! could not have said it any better 💯 more on how huge ARMY is now like the bigger the fandom, the more toxic fans there are. It's just math and logic. ARMY is really visible and loud because there's just so many of us. Let's say if there's like 100 million ARMYs all over the world and that 1% of our fandom are bad apples. The math gives us 1 million of those fans and that's a lot. So it's frustrating when people treat armys as a monolith. We all have different opinions and will react to things differently. I think sometimes a lot of people forget that. It's just the way it is.

Karla

I've been a fan of your channel since the beginning. I've watched almost all your BTS-related videos and I've enjoyed the discussions and analysis. Just like many other ARMY, my musical taste runs the gamut from Beethoven to the Blues, and I've listened to a lot of K-Pop and Korean music. Again, like many ARMY, while I enjoy a lot of K-Pop songs and singers/groups (including Stray Kids, Big Bang, and Blackpink), I'm only a "fan" of BTS. And there's a reason why. I discovered BTS in 2020 (or they found me, as the saying goes), so I'm not a veteran ARMY, but I am a researcher, and when I love something, I tend to want to learn as much as I can about it. As a researcher, I also know how to recognize bias, so I read/watch with a critical eye. If you spend some time in your BTS journey trying to understand THEIR journey with an open mind, you'll understand why ARMY has a very wary and defensive attitude towards K-Pop. And no, watching The Rise of Bangtan series does not count. Again, I have no gripe with other K-Pop singers and groups, and there are some great songs and artists in those groups (yes, artists). As an ARMY who has done enough research to understand the industry, I do have a gripe with the "Big 3" companies, how they manage their groups, but more importantly how they've attempted to undermine (even sabotage) BTS's success in various ways. While Curtis made a good observation in your last video about data mining and using the word BTS to feed the algorithm, the reality is that media play in the Korean media goes beyond that and is much more corrupt and malicious in intention; it’s more than advertising — it’s the control that the “Big 3” still have over media outlets and how they manipulate the narrative and public opinion. Their ill-treatment of BTS goes beyond this of course (xCeleste has a video that describes some of this, without going into too much detail). K-Pop fandoms in these groups have also crossed a line and done disturbing things to sabotage BTS. As someone who has done their due diligence to understand this, I can’t in good conscience support these companies, even though I do like some of their groups. LSM in particular, if you really did your research, is someone you would/should not be praising. Going back to this video. I like Boracity’s videos, but I agree that her videos need more context and nuance, and tact. If you’re a fan of other groups, I can also imagine how this immediately might raise your hackles (especially knowing that Stray Kids and Big Bang, for example, have more agency and authorship than she suggests). Still, I was very discomfited by how easily you dismissed her arguments and actually (last video in particular) misinterpreted her claims (countless comments respectfully pointed this out — she was definitely not suggesting that other groups were failures, only that they had failed in attempting to be the “next BTS”, but you focused your entire discussion on addressing why she was wrong for suggesting the former). Like I said, I’ve been a fan of your channel since the beginning, but I’ve been disappointed recently. I respect honest opinions and open-minded discussion, but I’m not sure we’re getting that, especially when you seem to want to always point out how toxic ARMY is (and yes, I know that you’ve said this about other fandoms too). As others have pointed out, ARMY is huge, we’re larger than the population of entire nations; as such, even a vocal 1% can seem disproportionately loud and vile— it’s simple math. It’s naive to expect that the discourse will always be respectful, especially when you poke the bear. No ARMY condones toxic behavior (on Twitter, we constantly and consistently promote ARMY etiquette and berate those who cross the line, knowing that some are cosplayers from other fandoms, trolls, or just bad people — as such, they’re “Fake ARMYS”). When Keith wonders who “Fake ARMYs” are, it’s really simple to identify them—they’re ARMY that act in a way that BTS would not condone. We follow BTS’s lead; their kindness, humility, and altruism inspire us. If you really want to understand the context and why ARMY has reservations about K-Pop, please do your research. If you want receipts (evidence), here is a Twitter thread that you might want to explore: https://twitter.com/bangtanreceipts/status/1171076995171717121

Rouny

The prejudice against K-Pop affects every kpop group, not just BTS.

aaska

It doesn’t sound too right for a person to devalue an entire genre cus they have strong opinions about it.. Oh Bet you there’s a bunch of Armys that’s also multi fans on the side, Binh!! I know we’re one of them lol

StellaTan

Comparison is the thief of joy, and it’s neither right or fair to weigh a group or a solo artists work against another. Of course you can say you like Picasso over Van Gogh because it’s all about personal preference and taste. Choreo battles are nothing but lighthearted entertainment and should not be taken too seriously! After all there are no wrong answers, only different perspectives I’m happy to hear that for you Lo💜 A lot of Armys can relate and connect with you on this Thank you guys for giving us a platform to express ourselves and share our views I’m right there with you on respecting others opinions, positive vibes w great people and great conversations, Nick!

StellaTan

Honestly I got into Kpop through Black Pink, BTS was the second group I ever dove into I guess I should say. I for a long time only connected with BTS and only listened to their music. This went on for a few months, I was just so hooked into them and their music and personalities and a lot of what they did just clicked with me. If you asked me almost 2 years ago I probably would have been a BTS only Kpop fan. Just about 4 months after getting hooked to BTS I ventured to every group I could. I fell in love with Stray Kids, Ateez, Itzy, Twice, TXT, Enhypen. Basically I dove head first into the 4th Gen groups. When I was only into BTS I didn't think I would ever love any other music or artist aside from them but I did venture out, quite a lot actually. I also got into older Kpop groups too which was amazing. BTS still is my bias in terms of groups, but I do enjoy so much more than just BTS. I would also like to note I do still listen to a lot of the same music I did before I got into Kpop. Kpop has just become my new "normal" I guess? A lot of American artists just don't do it for me like they used to lol.

Arianna

This will always be a safe place for everyone regardless if we disagree on throngs or not.. I respect your opinion and I wish it was left beef in life in general.. I’m just here for great people, great conversations, great music and positive vibes.. Thank you again for expressing yourself and speaking your truth

Redemption 46 Studios

Lol if y’all ever saw us have a Drake/Rap convo it would be worse than this 😅

Lo R46

Did I say the groups are fake? or the fans are fake? Concepts are set up to show a fantasy story, just like bts' story is fake and why would a specific fandom feel offended when I did not mention any group at all? If I don't comment or give my opinion on any group why would someone feel offended when I'm not talking about them? that's the part I don't get when people are ready to jump to argue and fight, because if someone and specific is not being mentioned, why assume it is about them? It is simply the reality, a story told like it would be in a book or a drama except kpop does it with concepts and music etc.

Dreamer

I couldn’t agree more with the both of you, outside of choreo battles which are for fun I’m not with the comparing and negativity. This music in general but in this case BTS did a lot for my spirit over the past 16 months so they are apart of me . Some of the comments yesterday were wild as hell but I’m not letting that stop me from loving BTS

Lo R46

This will sound naive to some but I wish all fandoms could coexist or just stick to their faves instead of going against eachother or compare groups What it all comes down to is the artists following that stirs unnecessary tension and division in the music scene My friend introduced me to kpop 6 years ago and I’ve been an Army ever since. But there’s so many groups I’m a big fan of and have huge respect for as well! I believe fans in many ways represent the artists so it’s really hard to see how poorly Armys have been portrayed by non-fans and Bts stans This might seem blissfully ignorant but to me there is a clear difference between an Army and a Bts stan I’d like to remind and recommend fans of Bts to check out RM speaking about the making of Mic Drop during his Vlive, relisten to UGH and it’s message. RM has mentioned that he welcomes criticism. And even brings up in Cypher 4 that hate comments are better than no comments. All of the boys have touched on this topic and issue in their own way Just like they are human before artist we are human before fan. The boys are so well spoken, respectful and humble and have numerous times in their different colors and voices said that they’re only humans and are trying their best. Army are lead by their example, as should any other fandom follow their artist. Just like fans shouldn’t compare achievements fans shouldn’t compare struggles or hardships either If you see someone hating on your favorite artist the best response would be to either report or ignore their comment. We so desperately want to break out of stereotypes and norms and yet we still put others in boxes and genres. I’m going on a bit of a rant here (and clearly didn’t watch the video cus i don’t think it’s gonna bring me any good.) I like to think that this is still a safe space to speak our minds freely, and if i over shared my thoughts or misinformed anything then kindly tell me and I’ll delete my comment. At the end of the day you hurt the artist more than you help them by spitting on other groups instead of supporting your own. Music is something that we all use as a source for motivation and growth. And I wish we could all celebrate and be comforted by music, whatever artist or genre it may be. I don’t get why we need to define it, can’t we just enjoy it all instead

StellaTan

@ARMYnotArmy I do understand what you are saying and agree on a fair bit with most of it however I think this is where we fundamentally disagree because I have done the research and have anecdotal evidence. I have been in kpop since I was in high school at the start of the 2010s. Hundreds of groups come out a year and only 2-3 of them are from big companies most are not they partnered with bigger companies as BigHit was to JYP but later split. My point in all this isn't to take away from the boys and the work that they do but it's the show that music and the industry work in this way while BTS was afforded an extended level of creativity it came off the backs of other older groups and soloists wanting to be more involved and making it seem as profitable to do so BigBang, FT island, Epik High, BAP and many other smaller company groups. ((In addition, even BTS themselves are not the sole producers or writers in any of their group music, there are multiple writers credited on their songs including RM, Suga And Jhope ))The music industry is competitive that is how capitalism works and I don't understand why now BTS is the biggest the idea of this is somehow a threat. Every year there is a big group or trend in music in which companies latch on to when it was 1D media outlets called BTS/EXO the Korean 1D because they were the face of what boybands were so everyone that even resembles a boyband would be compared to 1D. That is the nature of the industry as a whole. BTS has also been the victim of this EXO was bigger than BTS for a time and people complained that BTS would never be the next EXO or that BTS is copying EXO because they did a schoolboy photoshoot after EXO like that had not been a concept in Kpop already now people are turning around and doing it to other groups on behalf of BTS and they would never want that "BTS wasn't the only ones to have these kinds of hardships...when...well yes they were." - THIS is why I said that everyone is the main character in their own story. I can promise you that this is not the case. There are literally fan wars between every group it feels as though it is only BTS because that is the fandom that you are linked to. If you go into other fandoms it will seem like people are coming out of the wood-works to bash your group because that is what you are a part of. It is all a matter of perspective, however, when this is brought up people accuse those who brought it up as gaslighting when they're just explaining their own experiences within their respective fandoms. It's not BTS vs K-poppers it's whoever your group is vs. K-poppers. I also believe this is another fundamental misgiving with this line of thinking because again we are the main characters in our own stories. People did flag down Beiber and Drake fans they called them soft and weak, not fans of real music, and that if they listened to Beiber they should also listen to black artists that have been doing the same things s him for years prior now with a white prepubescent face it is seen as peak music,( these were and still are some criticisms levied at these artists) I think you say Kpop when you are just talking again about the music industry as a whole I'm a hip-hop head do you know how many old heads are like this new music trash you should listen to the classics when music was actually music" when they talked about stuff, and not just about money hoe, etc." But they fail to expand their worldview to other artists that are not mainstream that do the things that they complain about the general, music industry doing what it does. In essence, BTS is that combo of the mainstream while also being talented and having a message you resonate with (they do also have songs about being cool trendy, and falling in love) to another person those same attributes would be given to a different band. I don't bash people who only listen to BTS like what you like enjoy and put your effort into whatever you like. It's when they generalize an entire genre that they don't participate in where my disagreements lie. BTS is the only group that I now buy physical albums for. They are my ULT group however my story is not other people's. Please protect your peace.

Valentine

Also I don’t know why media, and kpop stans want us to give other groups or their favs a chance so bad but when it comes to BTS they don’t give the same energy back. Because according to a lot of them “BTS already made it” and they don’t need our devotion as much as they used 🙄

Hilary Angouing

Here we go with the “I was an army” “this is why left the fandom” bla bla like pls stfu. Y’all claim to not be army anymore or love BTS as much as y’all used to so why tf are y’all camping down on BTS related videos made by a devoted army who did nothing but spill facts

Hilary Angouing

While yes, BTS are not the first to write and produce they are the first to have freedom of creativity to the extent that they were afforded it. And that is because they came from a small company that didn't have deep pockets. No one said BTS is the first in everything, and I think that's where a lot of newer Kpop fans get it wrong. Kpoppers want to think that ARMYs are being over-dramatic and trying to make everything about ARMY or BTS when it's not us doing this. It's the industry, it's the big ass companies Kpoppers all support that have this bad habit of trying to compete, or stir up things. And.... let's be honest here... some of these Kpoppers who are bigger and more known... have been paid by certain companies to start smear campaigns.. but these talks are not what this video was about. Now, from what I understand, you didn't watch it, which is fine. To each their own. But then you comment about how BTS wasn't the only one to have these kind of hardships... when.. well, yes they were. As someone active I have seen some similar things- degrading, bad-mouthing, death threats from a handful here and there.... but no other group, literally has every fandom coming out of the wood-works just to degrade, try to humiliate, shame, send way more than a handful of death threats to each member, and rally against them in any way they can. It just had never happened like that for any other group. Maybe at some point another group will come that gets hate from 90% of Kpop fandoms but even then that won't be every fandom. ARMYs had fandoms from 1st gen, 2nd gen hating on BTS and them. It doesn't make some of the things toxic BTS fans say okay, it doesn't. And if they think it does then those people can step off into their own little happy hole. I got off track- The point here is that a good chunk of what you said isn't factual. Now, that doesn't mean it's wrong to like Kpop groups that are not BTS, no one is saying that.. this video was showing a specific thing and touching on the topic of why does it seem like Kpoppers expect ARMYs to also be Kpoppers. Kpoppers always complain we don't like enough Kpop but no one is out here flagging down Bieber or Drake fans for not liking certain other artists... why? because it's a Kpopper thing only and I'm sorry, but most of Kpop is very much similar to everything else. Why would I put money and effort in a group that sings about being hot, being cool, being trendy, falling in love and being in love when there are artists from other parts of the world who can provide me with that same music in various ways that I find interesting, seriously... try listening to some Native/ indigenous music, seriously so beautiful. Kpop can't give me those things though, those interesting ways of expression that I personally look for. If some find interesting things in Kpop, great, I don't bash those who love Kpop, I do listen to other groups that are Kpop and try to find other groups to connect with.. I just have not had luck in it aside from BTS. I do currently have hopes for a new favorite Girl group in Le Sserafim, they're different and they have me eager to see more of what they're able to do, performance wise they blow every girl group I've seen out of the water though. I appreciate your thoughts, but I hope you research on your own and learn more about these things. If you don't care enough to do so, that's fine too.

ARMYnotArmy

I do know he wrote mostly his own lines, not for the group as a whole, and yes TOP did do a lot of writing and honestly people didn't and still don't give him his flowers for it. But again, that's another issue. The reason why he still doesn't have as many credits is because he only wrote primarily for himself, and then as you stated- when he was put in charge of other aspects because YG wasnt giving them the support they needed(that's just the facts of it, most groups lose that support system after a certain period of time, and they're pretty much left to fend for themselves. Most of the time that's when groups disband, but some do manage to pull through. Shinee is a good example too.). It's not an argument and I do my best not to view these talks as arguments. This is stuff that deserves to be talked about more. I try to be as objective as I can, even I can get biased and I know that. I do agree she shouldn't have said it like BTS were the first ever to write and produce themselves, cause everyone I think.. or hope.. at least- that everyone knows by now they are not the first, but BTS was and remains the most influential of those who wrote and produce themselves. I could go on about BB all day, my sister is still a huge fan and she loves them to pieces, I like some of their songs but was never heavy into them like she was. We respect our love for different groups and artists. Other wise we would have never gotten along as well as we did when we were younger.

ARMYnotArmy

For sure, they are great artists and groups out there. I don't disagree at all, and just like you, I have other music I listen to, depending on my mood. TBH I like music. I don't really care about genres. I think the problem is us as fans. It doesn't matter what fandom. We do get defensive about the artists we like, we do get offended by how people see the artists we love, and we get pushy when someone has a different opinion. I'm sure you can see that in your comments; while trying to prove a point, people will always get offended and push their beliefs on you, trying to get you to agree to something. Personally, I'm one of those quiet armys that lurks around in silence to see both sides before I start hating lol I see a lot of fan wars on twttr but I refrain from engaging because it doesn't get anywhere, people don't accept an opinion but maybe is more of how we state that opinion that gets army agitated. IBtw!!! when will you post your reaction to the BUSAN concert!!! I've been waiting for it :(

Dreamer

As always I appreciate your input and especially the amount of time and detail you put into what you say and responding to us objectively even in disagreement. For me these 2 videos didnt fulfill anything for me on an informational or personal level. But that’s life still borahae 💜 Side Note: looking at GD writing credits you mostly see just him & TOP ( he’s always wrote his own verses) just like you usually see Runch & Suga. With the occasional Teddy appearance and others ( akin to seeing PDogg, Bang PD, Adora etc) . He’d been writing on everything since the debut project but after “Lies” he wrote & composed the next project entirely by himself outside of one song. Everything after that was conceptualized by him even to the point he went thru a slump in 2013 til 2015 and the group released no music together only solo/subunit material because of it. This was just to clarify not to argue tho 🙏🏾

Lo R46

And that’s were I respectfully disagree. There are dozens of artist who have high quality music and who talk about subject matter that’s not just fantasy (things that are based in reality and things that are relatable). When I’m going into deep depression they’re groups that have music for me. When I’m going through family issues they’re groups that I can listen to. I been Army since 2019 and BTS has the strongest connection with me. I do agree that their music and personality puts them over everyone. But imo they’re other great artist in kpop too.. I don’t see how that’s offensive or hard for some people to grasp.. There will never be another BTS. But there are other nice groups out here too

Redemption 46 Studios

I respect that and I’m happy that we all can have these conversations

Redemption 46 Studios

Lita

Well put. 💜

ARMYnotArmy

Namjoon said it himself to Pharell, "K-pop doesn't give you room to grow". It's always the same sounds, same narrative, and same comparison all the time. I am ARMY, and like most armys and even some of your guys in the panel, your start to kpop is bts, then you grow to like other groups, which is what I tried, but simply I can't say I like it. I don't really care for those who enjoy all of it, it's all good. It's a personal choice. The thing is which I have experienced personally is that just because I like bts people expect you to like other groups and if you disagree, they treat you like a hater! I simply don't connect with other groups like I have with bts. It is a common saying in army that bts finds you when you need them most, so the connection is way more than simply music and videos. To me kpop as a whole is fantasy and superficial its all fake, and yes bts has the BU but it's a relatable story based on struggles and emotions.

Dreamer

It's fine if you didn't understand the point, I admit.. Boracity could have given more detail. However if you think the video is disrespectful and petty, I think the issue lies with you then. She was calling it how it is, how the industry itself even has admitted to being... and yet for international fans, not just western fans.. it's a hard pill to swallow sometimes. And I get it, no one wants to think ill of these idols, and none of it is due to the idols- that's the whole point, they don't get a say. Most of they time none of it is up to them. And no one blames them for the lack of interest, it's not their fault, they've all worked hard to be in an industry where looks, dance skills, ability to attract attention with those two things, and the ability to obtain brand deals are held higher than the ability to actually make music. This video is a little bit more for those who have an understanding maybe. It's still an interesting video and one that sparks talks, even though some just want to by-pass it or play it off as being one thing or another. But thank you for adding a little bit to the discussion. 💜

ARMYnotArmy

I don't think most ARMYs think it's embarassing to be into Kpop, it's just that Kpop as a whole does not appeal to most ARMYs. The point that's being missed here is the talk of WHAT Kpop is, and what it was and most likely will always be marketed to be- Earworm music that focuses primarily on The looks, the sponsors, the brand deals, the make-up, the dances and the personalities given to these groups. It doesn't shock me that most people still don't get this, unless you've been actively interested in the industry in SK and have been able to be in SK to see and get a better grasp of the people here and everything that comes with that... well, then yeah- it's easy not to understand and see a video like this where you just feel like it's biased. I encourage others to actually do research themselves though and see what Kpop has been primarily about, where the focus has been... the company heads have been open in the past about it too. Music is not a primary focus. It's just a fact. So fans of music, deeper, meaningful music don't mess with Kpop often or at all.

ARMYnotArmy

it's not that serious lol mind u all fandoms in kpop have toxic parts either way

JEONLVR97

wow you summed this up perfectly!!!

Alisha 3

I did too lol

Eman Omer

You are right it's very rare to find ppl that will see it and judge from the perspective of army so I don't like these videos recommended from multis *sigh*

Eman Omer

@zach What you said about having toxic people in every fandom but the larger the fandom the more there are so you end up labelling army as toxic. That is exactly the issue. Since ARMY is the biggest fandom the small amount of toxic army is still very big and loud but we shouldn't generalize it. We tend to focus on the negative part but what about all the loving, supporting, unproblematic armys, silent supporters out there? Not to mention that stan twitter is toxic in general and is not a good representation of any fandom. I tend to stay out of twitter and have interacted with so many good mature ARMY on other platforms and irl. Even BTS said it's about 90% of the fandom that is real so I hope we would focus on those 90% rather than the small loud toxic part and label us all like that doesn't sit right with me.

Irina BM

@saye That is far from true. I've seen many vips hate on that collab rumor very unprovoked and say they won't support too just because it's Jimin. When J-hope had his listening party I've seen nothing but positive support and reactions from ARMY who were so happy he could hang out and work with other artists from the k-industry. I'm not saying ARMYs all were saints but always look at both sides please. And I have to disagree with you saying that most only listen to bts and no other music cause all the army I know actually listen to so many other music, and if it's not kpop, it's either western music or music from other countries, from so many different genres. It's just that they don't stan and connect to them the same way they do with bts but that doesn't make them any less open minded about music.

Irina BM

ArmynotArmy pretty much covered everything I want to say. I would like to just add that I knew kpop since the early 2000's from freinds I did listen to some of their songs I still check out some releases every now and then just like how I do with everyone. I listen to African music afrobeat, amapiano, north African music and some local ones from my country, I also listen to music from Turkey, France, lots of Arabic and English as well so I never was attached to a certain genre, language whatever my ears like I like I guess. So when BTS came to the scene I wasnt deep into kpop to know them since debut I didn't follow it like that (my biggest regret) I listened to some BigBang members songs thats it. I found BTS when they crossed to America back in 2017 DNA era like everyone I was casual fan at first but they pulled me in, they were different in keeping me engaged and their different genres and their concepts as well as their push to always break molds and boundaries and try new things kept me focused on them. I don't get bored with BTS they made me wait for their music begging even nervous, palms sweating as if it's my album coming out. They made me want to go learn how to vote (might be selfish but I didn't give a damn to vote or speny money on artists before it's not my culture not how I was raised or seen anywhere in my country and community music has always been a time pass activity that's all) they made me want to spend my hard earned money and time on them not just because of their humble beginnings (which lots of ppl had) but because their music is worth listening too it deserves to be spread. So saying all of this it's really insulting to me when some random person criticizes me "why are you not giving the others your all" I am sorry but if I will give every artist the same energy as bts I won't have a life or energy for my self lol that's exhausting they need to be worth it they need to grab my attention the same amount. I do give artists chance in kpop or outside I like mamamoo songs, laserafim nowadays and mostly hybe artists, love twice for their originality but they are not in my playlist because their style is not for me same goes for lots of kpop and other artists. I call my an ARMY because I do everything for BTS I can't call myself any other name because I don't give my all to other artists. I don't vote for them, I Don't buy albums because like I said it's not in my culture and also IDGAF I am sorry if that sounds harsh but I really don't, never did out side of the music I never cared about anyones personal life lol I didn't keep up like that but with BTS it's different and it's not because of their "great marketing strategy" or "looks" like ppl forces on us to admit it's because of their MUSIC shocking right!?🤣 Kpop is the opposite of that sure it changed in recent years because of BTS but it still focusing on too many things that is distracting and just not for me. I have said too much that I don't even know if you will read it but I just wanted to let you know that ppl like exist and I have met alot of similar ppl that are ARMYI swear ALOT so for us even if bts stop we will keep listening to their music for a long time. All of what I said and what ArmynotArmy said is what makes army constant in their passion to supporting this group particularly

Eman Omer

I hope you are getting all the forehead kisses everyday because ma'am I love this comment I was feeling frustrated thank you for writing so beautiful and in details to the point

Eman Omer

Thank you, you pretty much covered everything 💜

Irina BM

thank you for typing out your thoughts on this. I was very curious as to what you would say and im not disappointed ! 💜

laura

Exactly Irina, i knew we would have a similar opinion lol. Kpop is such a fun and out of body experience to be a part of. Ive been to many concerts and while they are enjoyable... BTS' have and will always be the best concerts for me !

laura

Got into Kpop 2nd gen and my experiences are like what you described from what I know. Idols involvement in their music used to be rare/uncommon and mostly dictated by the companies favoring catchy tunes/performances (also aligning to the consumer taste back then.. no-one wanted deep meaningful stuff in Kpop). BB did make people sit up take notice but didnt open the floodgates to more idol involvement since first why fix something when it ain't broken (good revenues still coming in w/o idols involvement) and second, it's not easy to find producing idol talents. BTS had a very cohesive approach to their music and concepts (involving idols themselves, Bang and the working team etc) that I've not seen in other teams of their time... even in comparison to groups like BB/BAP, BTS have had distinguishing differences that brought them where they are today (& becoming a model to emulate since no-one can ignore that amount of success). Thank you for taking the time and effort to provide more context to the discussion.

Reishue

lol this is all so crazy to me but glad i left that fandom and just enjoy the music and content as i please 😌 thanks for the long commentary, it was great to listen to while i cleaned my room!

zay

EXACTLY. Bravoooo!!! I just dont understand how people find this offensive or get so defensive like .-. if you dont think your group is like that then, you just dont associate it in your head. Like you i like some hybe groups and i dont think the person that made this video attack them bc i know they are not like that period. :) You explained so perfectly :) hopefully, they can read and try to understand the CONTEXT which is the most important thing

Lizeth

hehe they got pretty defensive of kpop, which is understandable but tbh i like some groups now of hybe and eventho i like i dont find this video offensive bc i dont think they are what she is saying like... if the shoe fits then wear it i guess

Lizeth

You wrote so beautifully and exactly what I would like to say. Thank you 😊

Grace B.

@Valentine It's funny you brought up BLM and the whole situation that happened. I was still an ARMY during that time and to elaborate a little on why I left the fandom, it was in part because of that situation. I saw a comment on another one of the BTS videos on here, which is why I won't say the exact, entire reason I left. But you're so right about how the tune changed after the group spoke up and donated. When I saw that hashtag where armies supposedly donated another million after BTS did, I was honestly disgusted. I know some of those people didn't donate because they cared. The whole thing just rubbed me the wrong way and I've never gotten over it.

Tia

I watched and waited till the very end before getting my thoughts out. I try to compile my thoughts and responses as best as I can without sounding... either like a complainer, or a bitch. So I'm going to try to get everything I want to say out, hopefully without being too negative and without too much side-tracking. I want to start off by saying that Personally, while I do think more points should have been defined better in this video, I didn't and still don't find the video problematic or toxic. Boracity researches as well as she can, and while I think a topic like this is more of a three part series video because there is just so much to cover- I do think she did a good job with summarizing one aspect of why good majority of ARMYs are not Kpop fans. The main point of the video she made was to showcase the thoughts of a majority of ARMY who do not like Kpop and the various reasons why they don't like Kpop. Now, as someone who grew up with Kpop always being played because of family... I will say I only learned Kpop through my older cousin who also got my big sister into Kpop. Before then, and even during that point... I listened to more Korean music than Kpop. My Aunt and Uncle had their favorite trot singers and ballad singers/groups of singers as well but that music isn't considered Kpop. Kpop is strictly Idol music, it's a title the west gave to describe Korea's Idol singers and groups. They called them K-pop, and when 2nd Gen groups nudged at the door to the western market- that's what media and journalists in the west called it, they called Idol music, the Idol industry- Kpop. It's not what Koreans call it though, but because the West and America have an impact on things that get around- Kpop became it's name to most who heard of it, and even with BTS breaking the door down to the global market and the western market.. Kpop is still the title they were given by the media and journalists who were not aware of what Kpop was really. Kpop is in fact, an industry. It's headed by Entertainment Companies who do everything from scouting kids to molding them into whatever skills they think they should have/need. Even going so far as the big companies demanding looks be changed and hey, one stop to a plastic surgeon and you're good to go- Not saying getting plastic surgery is bad or shameful, but a 16 year old shouldn't be talked into that kind of thing and the sad reality is that many idols past and present still get pressured to look a certain way. When the creator of the video talked about certian things it seemed like you guys focused on the possible negatives even when she said clearly what she meant. I get it though, even ARMY can have this habit of hearing a little part and thinking it's a whole ass distrack on BTS. So I get it, you felt like there was disrespect. It's pretty easy to tell, even if you're new to Kpop, that Kpop focuses on a select amount of things only... AND even with changes 4th gen are bringing to the table since they're all mostly inspired by BTS and companies are paying more attention to 'in what ways can we replicate what BTS has done?'... those things aside, Kpop has been Primarily about the looks, the dance, the makeup, the clothes, the brands, the sponsorships, and the set personalities. Yes, companies would give personalities to these trainees... it might be a hard pill to swallow, but it's how they did and some still do things. Now this isn't knocking on every group out there because it's not their fault they get into these kind of things. They don't ask to be given a personality, it's something the companies just do. Hell, even BTS at first were trying to have this 'hard core' exterior. Take one look at 'No More Dream' and tell me those guys were not trying too hard to fit into a specific personality. Bang was man enough to admit it, BTS are man enough to admit it. 2 Cool 4 Skool and Oh! RU L8 2?! were the start and end of them trying so damn hard to fit into personalities... they couldn't do it on camera outside of the MV's or in the Behind vids of the MV's. And no one at BigHit Ent. at that time was pushing them to be those personalities. But some members struggled because they thought they HAD to be in order to be liked. This is the idea that gets into some of these idols heads- they HAVE to be a sertain personality. Oh, he's the quite one, he's the shy one, she's the baddie, she's the innocent angel.... it's all masks, it's all for show, and it's what Kpop was pushed into when a certain big company decided to make Kpop a more legit thing. (There was another company, another man before SM who tried to turn Seo Taiji and boys'groundwork into profit... but that failed hard. SM had the ideas of how to profit, took from Japan's Idol system, made it more of a competitive and limited thing, though he does like the round-a-bout revolving door system most Japan Companies/labels have for their artists. But that's a talk for another time.) Point is, the actual music part of Kpop has always been on the back burner- now that's not to say there hasn't been some super fun catchy kpop songs over the years... cause there have been. There always will be. But if you're looking for music made my musicians or people who have a message and a true passion for creating... Kpop... isn't it. Wasn't it till more recently when Companies- Thanks to BTS's success are finally admitting that maybe they should let their artists have a little say in their songs... LITTLE say for most companies. You brought up again that BTS wasn't the first to write or produce. And once more, while they are not the first.. they are the only group to actively take part in not just writing, producing, composing but in their concept, what their album will be about, they would all come up with keywords and work from there. RM and Suga mostly wrote and produced alongside in house writers and producers and other producers they've worked with in the past.. yes. But if we're going to compare them to Big Bang... fact is, G-Dragon didn't write every single song on every single album. He didn't produce every song on every album. He never wrote a song solely by himself, he worked with in house writers and producers too. He still to this day has less song Credits than Joon, Suga and even JHope. Point in this is... BTS didn't do it first, but BTS doing it had more of an impact and has allowed newer groups not from HYBE to take part at least more than they were before. They still don't have the freedom of creativity BTS was able to have and still has... actually it's arguable that BTS has more freedom now than ever. But Chan has even talked about how he looks up to RM, how he wants to be that kind of artist and leader. So while, yes, Stray kidz and other groups are given more opertunity now.. it's still , in the end, the company's choice on what gets put out. I hope these newer groups do get more freedom. And yes, even company mates- Seventeen have been handling their shit from the start like BTS but again.. they've also talked about how they don't decide everything, and they know it. They have to get things cleared. Same with Nu'Est when they were together. Because Pledis was a small company like BigHit Ent. was and didn't have the money for all the extras- so having artists who could write and produce was super helpful. However... writing is a talent, and some are just more appealing than others. And yes, she didn't say anything about HYBE's groups but that's because we know how HYBE does things at this point- ENHYPEN, TXT, Le Sserafim, New Jeans, &Team .... they're all still learning and growing and writing and some producing, or learning to. We can find member names on most songs in these groups. Because HYBE finds it better if they have actual artists who posess an actual passion for music. Now, again.. there's nothing wrong with having someone else write or produce for you, many American artists have done it for years, many artists all over do it. It's fine.... but you can tell the difference when a group who wrote their songs is belting out a line about how alone they truly feel, how they're not good enough.... and a line about being 'oh so lonely without you bae' written by some dude making a song for a group of girls. I'm sorry... but no... The message that wants to be felt... isn't felt because it's in no way the same. Two groups can sing about losing someone, but the group who wrote the song and took part in producing... they're going to affect the audience more because they'll be singing it from their hearts and whole bodies.... where as the other group who's handed the song, will try to emphasize parts they think are important... but it won't have the same affect. I get that it's a hard pill for some to swallow, but the fact is for so long... Kpop has put music in the back while they banked off of every other aspect of Kpop. This is why normal every day Koreans are not Kpop fans. Over the age of 25 here in SK, it's hard to find a Kpop fan. Most will say "I'm too old to like Idol music". But ask some of those same people if they like/are a fan of BTS, and some will say yes. Because even they don't consider BTS 'Idol' music anymore. Least, that's how it's going for now. The public might change their minds, it happens. For now, most just know BTS as a singing group who promotes their culture and brings honor, eyes, and money to Korea. Oh.. and that they'll be serving their country proudly as good men do. (literally the words from an older woman at the market last week.) I get feeling like this video was an attack, but it's not. Yes, she could have and maybe should have gone into more detail. She could have shown exactly how Kpop has been and what has been the priority order for groups over the years. If the song is catchy... that's enough. That's how it's been. Even now we see that, and I'm not saying it doesn't work. There's plenty of songs that make it big in America that when you really look at the lyrics you're like... why the fuck is this a big thing? But because it's so damn catchy you can't help but to sing along when it's played on the radio or like now, if you shuffle on spotify and let them play you random songs they think you might like... you might find some ear worm songs that just stick with you. And again.. it's okay to make this kind of music. Everyone does it, it's not new. But the point is... majority of ARMYs are looking for something more, something deeper. And thus, Kpop... even if they try to get into it.. isn't for them. I've been typing a lot here and I really want to try and wrap this up- When it comes down to it, there are many factors why most ARMY are not Kpop fans. Even I, who listens to a damn good amount of Kpop, still don't know if I would consider myself a Kpop fan. I'm a fan of most HYBE groups currently, but BTS is still the only group that I support with my everything-mostly money and time. I think other than a handful of Mamamoo songs, (g) Idle songs, and some twice and Red Velvet songs.. I don't have many Kpop groups on my playlists. I might have a song or two here and there, but the majority of my playlists are BTS, other HYBE groups, 90's hip hop R&B, Metal, BabyMetal, Pink Floid, Beetles, MJ, What I call the 'Divas'- Janet Jackson, Aretha Franklin, Donna Summer, and Pattie LaBelle (All thanks to my mother who played this kind of music around the clock lol.). My point here is... I listen to a lot of music, I try not to shun anyone without giving them a chance. But the fact remains that as I've gotten older... BTS is the only Kpop group that really grabs me with their music, speaks to me and is the kind of music I find myself able to listen to over and over again, year by year, every album, it still has a pull. Now that I've gotten a hand cramp... and tried not to sound too complainy... or bitchy. I just think that context matters with videos like this and a certain level of understanding... and yeah, to make it easier for people who are newer to Kpop who haven't really seen what a lot of us have seen... it might have been wiser for Boracity to start by breaking things down better, explaining things in more detail. Thank you as always though for being honest and as open as you are with your thoughts and reactions. Even if I don't agree in this case with your points, I can see how certain things can be taken if you're not as aware of other things. Thank you again guys. 💜💜

ARMYnotArmy

I'm deleting my comments because its 2022 and I'm not doing this anymore. Gaslight us from here to eternity. All you do is prove these videos right. ETA: this isn't aimed at redemption46, because I didn't watch the video, so it would be unfair of me to assume they did what all these "multis" are doing.

Cassy G

it’s like people are misinterpreting your words on purpose

1

@Lizeth hence why I haven't made a comment on the video but on the other comments under this reaction. If this is the criticism levied at me then you should copy and paste this to every comment not specifically pertaining to this video or maybe it's just that you don't agree with the conversation that is being had after the video.

Valentine

well... guess what? this video is not for you, like you say soemtimes its not about YOU. The girl clearly said that this video was a response to that specific tweet made by a journalist that said "everyone needs to like the whole kpop industry and not just one group". And this video was made from the perspective of an army so .-. its not about you

Lizeth

@Cassy G __That is not what I said and it is rather disingenuous to use such hyperbolic language to reject my point but if you would like me to I can word it better. In addition those 2 points you have made arent mutually exclusive.

Valentine

@Tia ^^Thank you, I always state that I am still an ARMY. However, being an ARMY doesn't mean no accountability. I think one of my biggest gripes about ARMY is our hypocritical nature. I remember at the height of BLM how many armies called black armies ungrateful and always wanting attention, making the excuse that SK is a homogenous country and they don't care about race like that, some even going as far as just blatant racism, for just wondering if BTS would say anything since other k-pop solo artists and a couple of groups had spoken up (in addition to BTS working with black artists/producers and attribute a lot of their influences to black artists) until BTS final did speak up then the tune changed really quickly to BTS are the charity kings, they are so socially aware. Basically taking credit for the boys and then turned around and started to speak about how other groups weren't saying anything and if they did then they only spoke out about what was going on because BTS set a trend in doing so. It was quite a sight to behold, and very disheartening as a black person living in America at the time

Valentine

also i think you are missunderstanding she is not talking about individual groups, she is talking about the KPOP music industry so .-. aND THIS IS a direct response to that specific twwet made by that journalist. And also by the perspective of an army. You have to understand these video are made in an specific CONTEXT. You cant just watch this as a general video, bc it needs context.

Lizeth

“It cost you nothing to be kind”.. you’re right and I respect your decision to sit this one out.. this conversations can be a lot.. it’s all love on our end and that’s with everyone 💜

Redemption 46 Studios

All love here just sharing my thoughts ! Think we can all agree here BTS are special won't see another group like them for sure (:

hannah⁷

@Cassy G __then you should start acknowledging other groups or don't if you don't want to but at least don't belittle others who do

Valentine

Thank you for saying this!!!

Tia

Yall sometimes it's not about you. BTS isn't the only group from the trenches, they are not the only group that writes their own music or has a hand in producing. BTS themselves are not the sole producers or writers of most of their songs. That is not a bad thing! However, BTS and ARMY are not the only groups or fandom that get hate if you are in any other fandom you would think that ARMY is attacking everyone and if you are in ARMY you believe that everyone is attacking you. BTS is not the 1st and only K-pop group that has had racism, xenophobia, or bigotry of any kind thrown at them and their community whether you like it or not a lot of the Western criticism of BTS is not about BTS as a group even when it directly said to BTS. It is to all of KPOP because they lump them all together most people still do not know who BTS and they feel like all K-pop BTS INCLUDED is generic watered-down hip-hop/pop music. Maybe BTS is the 1st group you clicked with and didn't find cringey however that may be the case for someone else but with a different group. I have seen BTS and ARMY be ruthlessly attacked and mocked and had death threats and campaigns against them. While it is not right or acceptable this has happened to multiple other groups it is not unique to BTS and Army has been involved in these threats to other groups as well. Even if you would like to claim that those ARMY's were fake it has been shown to happen and continue to happen within other fandoms. You are the main characters in your own stories please keep that in mind.

Valentine

Im sure you guys had an interesting discourse but im going to sit this one out. Personally, I dislike when people make videos like the one you guys are reacting to. Is it true that some ARMY only listen to BTS and not any other kpop group? Yes. But there are also ARMYs who also like kpop. Neither makes you a better fan, it's literally just a preference. Videos like these only contribute to the toxic fan wars that exist. Also the guys have always been so supportive of other groups and have always been the bigger person...letting their music and success speak for itself. So I will just continue to follow their lead. Hate'll paralyze your mind Gotta see the other side It costs ya nothing to be kind ✌🏾💜

Rachel Lynn

I am gonna say something that you will probably not like but ill say anyway. For me, KPOP is a negative thing for BTS. WHY? Because as a GP and as the majority of the general public, we know or heard of KPOP as this sort of parody or the thing the dark side of kpop, people had prejudge. And i am guilty of that, i didnt check bts bc i thought it was like the rest of KPOP... like ive heard kpop in 2008 or 2011 and it was just bad FOR ME. So it literally stop me and many of my friends of liking and diving into BTS. UNTIL we gave them just a chance and they blow it, like the songwriting and the music we were amazed. So yeah, thats that. So that why sometimes when i intorduce bts i never introduce them as a "kpop" group or put tha much emphasis about the kpop part bc i know people will automatically say "oh its kpop", so i tried to introduce bts as just a group, just a good song and people like it and are surprised that is kpop.

Lizeth

I agree 10000% with you

Redemption 46 Studios

Very well said Tia 🙏🏽

Redemption 46 Studios

I usually stay silent whenever y'all post BTS videos, but I wanted to share my thoughts as someone who loved BTS at the beginning of their career. I'm no longer an army, and usually when I share my opinions and experiences of being apart of the fandom, I get shut down (as well as many other ex-armies) because some people in the fandom feel like I'm not qualified to speak on issues concerning BTS. I won't get into the reason why I left the fandom, but this video is one of the main reasons why being apart of it ruined my mental health. I remember how common it was to be a multistan in the ARMY fandom back around 2013-2015. No one hated on or said "You're a fake fan" if you liked other kpop groups because it was only about the music back then. Then it turned into something else as BTS' success grew. I won't deny the struggles the members went through or the hate they received from other fandoms, but I was never the type of person to become so hateful and bitter because that stuff happened to them. They proved their worth as a group with their success, so why be so overprotective that you even start hating the people within your fandom for loving and supporting other artists? Edit: I already saw someone on here mad that "an ex-army" left a comment. We're allowed to speak on a group we once liked. You can be mad all you want. No one is camping under BTS related videos because most of us don't care, but when we do care, we're allowed to speak. You'll never stop us from doing so. This is a platform where everyone is allowed to express their thoughts and opinions. If you can't handle that, the internet isn't for you.

Tia

Cassy you’re so smart.. we definitely had a nice conversation and redeemers have been nice today. But I definitely get exactly what you mean

Redemption 46 Studios

i think thats why army out them in the pedestal they should be bc bts are just way too humble but just too much

Lizeth

Here's why I'm not going to watch this video. One thing I've learned in my 5 years with BTS and ARMY is that there are three very clear and very different perspectives that exist in these convos and, for the most part, each of those groups can't see beyond their perspective. There's kpop fans, multis and army who only like bts. Videos like this are just going to upset multis or kpop stans because they don't recognise that they're coming in with their own bias. They think their openness to different groups means they're a more open-minded person. Ive met very few multis who are capable of looking at things from an army-only perspective. Ultimately, the enjoyment the genre and other groups have bought them will overwhelm their ability to empathise with ppl who have never had that experience and only have negative associations. So the reactions and comments are going to be full of kpop and multi perspectives and an unaware sense of superiority and I'd prefer to keep liking my favourite reactors and stay in a good mood today. Edited to say: stop recommending videos like this to reactors you enjoy. I know you think they'll finally understand you. They won't and that'll just make you more upset.

Cassy G

listen to bts has to say about the kpop industry ... and why do you think they never work with a kpop idol??? ... im not saying they look down on these "idols" but its mostly that they probably dont feel good with the kpop industry as a whole

Lizeth

ohhhh i relate to this a lot. Like i like music when i have something to relate like i love soundtracks bc ive seen the movies and i remember the feelings and scenes whenever i listen to a certain song. So yeah, its very interesting but also super cool. Right now im with the soundtrack of "LUCIFER" series, which is a lot of rock and its just so good

Lizeth

but if you say you like "kpop" or if i say i like "kpop" then its a lie bc i dont like other groups except bts, like maybe some soloist korean songs or idols songs but not groups or kpop groups. For me, its just straight lying. So whenever someone asks me i say "i like bts" and tbh i dont enjoy that much kpop songs. Also i have friends that dont really know about this "industry thing" so for them kpop is literally only bts, like they know nothing at all and dont care at all.

Lizeth

kpopstans: no # daesangs no opinion bts: gets # daesangs kpopstans: no grammy no opinion(keeping in mind their faves dont even have a nom.) Army: well no fucking gram nom., no fucking opinion Yall: ARMY is shiting on the other side of the mountain Also everybody is competition, okay?but bts was not the only fucking boyband. I promise, one thing all kpop fandoms having common is hating bts, thats not crazy to yall? also, yall keep mentioning business is business, therefore it was somehow okay for not only kpop companies but stans too, to try and destroy BTS futures? like?

Ayomide Osho

one random day: numerous kpop groups stans band together And trend #ArmyKickedOut ARMYS:tf okay OKU: tweets out that stupid 'declaration' that ARMYS expelled and 13k likes at 5k retweets ARMYs: okay #ARMYindependenceday Yall: ARMYS are taking too far/too seriously Me:what?

Ayomide Osho

I understand your point because I have seen this type of "fans" even when I am inside the fandom for a while and I do not agree with this at all and don't participate into that however like normally happens 1. there are kpop fans whose create accounts impersonating armys to throw hate and shade to another group/ idol and at the end make army looks on a bad light 2. when army reacts with toxicity is sometimes because we are receiving toxicity, provocation and attacks from other fandoms and even western artist fans also, ofc that is not a valid reason to lower ourselves to this people level. 3. related with my 2nd point there is people who likes to mock, attack BTS and pretend we as a fandom we won't say anything, if army reacts negatively then WE are the bad ones, the toxic, the childish...I've seen many mature and polite armys trying to educate people like this but they just continue with their attacks, racism, mockering the group and fandom, you can go to any article in facebook, twitter related to Jungkook's performance at the opening ceremony for world coup and you can see what I mean there..and is a member not even the whole group, I condemn the attacks to the bodies of other people ( this is something that BTS is against to) and also the attacks without any reason but most of the time there is a reason why armys reacts the way we react, there is a portion that are negative and toxic and needs to mature but is not even the 10% of the fandom.

Kharys A

The part where you mention k pop stans don't extend the same courtesy is 100% right. Army's are very protective for a reason and unless you've been through what has happened its hard to grasp everything on why army's are so defensive and partially why a lot of army's don't mess with k pop in general. There a lot of factors but beyond the " pettiness" there is a link to something that actually happened that was started by kpoppies and k pop companies with far more vile intentions then army's not messing with k pop. It makes the "pettiness" miniscule compared to what started it. I wished these videos included what actually started these discussions but it'll probably be a week long video if so and still never be enough to explain the history behind bts and k pop. I'm not saying army's are saints but I do recognize the legitimate reason army's don't care for kpop or the groups. It's like a blood feud between army's and k pop stans that was started since bts debut.

Grace B.

the irony of you saying armys push false narratives when its you twisting her words cause WHERE did she say kpop groups are useless? literally everything you said is nonsense bts and all artists in general should be getting radio play and grammy noms if the game was fair thats not wanting western validation thats wanting equality within the music industry yall dumb down real problems just to try to make it as armys being victims and you expect us to take anything you say seriously. youre here creating narratives based on your imagination but wanna talk about armys lmao OK. armys have been physically harmed, threatened and bullied to the point of suicide but we have a victim complex apparently cause user Syncere Dixon thinks what we go through as armys isnt a big deal. i guess being threatened by nazis , publicly humiliated in almost every country just for liking bts and being thrown upside down into a trash can by kpop stans isnt a big deal. those are all VERY REAL things ive watched happen to armys around the world. so sorry if we take that personally and have empathy for each other when no one else does. especially not kpop stans. for christ sakes one of the little girls who died in the Uvalde shooting was a army and kpop stans harassed her family and armys for sharing their condolences they said they were glad she was gone cause one less army in the world how do you see that shit and think we have a victim complex???

tori

Thank you for this… I love hearing from day 1 army to get y’all insight about all of this… I agree with you 100%.. I definitely wanna learn and experience more but I enjoy these conversations 🙏🏽

Redemption 46 Studios

Imma 1st state I have been an ARMY from the very beginning 2013 expensive girl begining, it's tricky bangtan, let me take selfie begining bangtan bombs, when the logo was actually a bulletproof vest begining However, I very much dislike the way that ARMY is moving. This video was very disgusting to me and it seems like ARMY had somehow taken all that we have learned from the hardships and fanwars the distain, that have been levied against us and the boys and turned it around to do it to other groups either established before BTS like this 2nd gen discourse or newer groups coming up and somehow created this cycle of justification without accountability. Or maybe it is just "new ARMY" however this trend of downplaying or not even acknowledging older groups achievements to outright vitriol to multistans is disappointing to say the least. ((To make it clear I know it's not all ARMY but I will never say that it is not ARMY at all because sometimes it is just us))

Valentine

@REECE I'm sorry but that's an insane thing to say, and try to make a comparison with...in no way shape or form is it similar😕

Izak

I do agree many Armys shouldn’t be dismissive of anyone’s hard work. Armys are so protective over BTS bc of what they’ve faced, and many Army take it too far. But I do want to say that kpop stans and Army act the same a lot of the time and it’s funny when people act like they don’t especially when it comes to fanwars. Both sides will get nasty no matter what

Rae

“A hit dog will holler”.. that’s real shit lol.. if it don’t apply let it fly… and I agree 100% with you

Redemption 46 Studios

these are always interesting to watch and listen to your discussions on so thank you for doing these types of videos. I've been an army since 2016 and i usually stay silent on topics like these because i see both perspectives. and sometimes what people think of army is not unfounded. it might not be true for EVERY army but i can see where certain viewpoints or ideas of the fandom come from. so i understand when other army want to jump to defend themselves and i do think that a lot of people don't like to hear army's out. but if i know I'm not that type of army there's really nothing for me to say. a hit dog will holler.

breona

Thanks for the uploads but will yall ever react to KBS bts festival solo stage 2018? BEEN ASKING FOR MONTHS, its really good, i feel like the group would like it :(

nini anderssen

building on what you said actually multi stan is a very international kpop fan thing and its pretty new (im sure multis existed before im not saying they just popped out of thin air) but in korea most fandoms have no cross overs most idol fans are fans of ONLY one group and if theyre fans of multiple groups its usually sticking to their ult groups label example if someones a fan of big bang theyre either only a vip or theyre fans of other yg groups and never become fans of other labels groups. many korean fans say they find it odd how foreign fans like multiple groups. not saying one way is right or wrong its just interesting how being a multi is kinda a new thing and only really seen outside korea.

tori

I agree with you.. What BTS is doing is amazing and unprecedented. No group will ever do the things they’ve done. With that being said I still have respect for groups before them and will never be dismissive of anyone working hard.. Thank you so much for your input and for all this info 🙏🏽

Redemption 46 Studios

Thank you for your input queen 💜

Redemption 46 Studios

Idk I think it's all about perspective as someone who's more a fan of other groups than bts I have seen a LOT of toxicness from armys over the years, to the point of tweets getting thousands of likes slut shaming blackpink members, harassing random groups who achieve things with zero provocation involved, a lot of tweets with over 20k likes from armys appear on my home sometimes and I often cannot believe what i'm reading because it's so uncessarily toxic. There are toxic people in every fandom but the larger the fandom the more there are and so I feel like when you're within the fandom it's hard to see but when u stan groups that are on the receiving end of that behaviour u end up labelling the fandom as toxic.

Izak

I don’t think we need to separate BTS and kpop but I think there needs to be some distinction. What BTS has done is unprecedented for both the kpop industry and the international music industry. They’re competing with artists like Drake, Taylor Swift, and Beyonce now instead of just the kpop industry. I don’t think everyone should expect Army to like the entire kpop industry just because they like BTS, because BTS is so international now. I think that’s what multi stans don’t understand. It’s like asking 1D fans why they don’t also like The Wanted, The Jonas Brothers, or Big Time Rush because they were also boy bands around that time. And I understand wanting Armys to at least respect kpop groups and their artistry and they should but kpop stans don’t extend that same courtesy to BTS just because they’re popular. Plenty of Armys like and listen to other groups but there’s multiple factors that makes BTS above all for us; not only the music, but their personalities, their relationships, etc. Kpop is an industry more than a genre and BTS has transcended it and has definitely aided it. So I think the feelings are justified, it’s just unnecessary to me to always fight kpop stans when BTS’ numbers and achievements are more than enough to prove where they’re at

Rae

I never but bts above anyone or put them on a pad stool like some army's bts never think they better than anyone they always humble and thankful for whatever they achieve bts aren't always gonna be number one or win everything but they won't fail because they put their all in everything they do and other groups I haven't listened to many so I would have no right to judge their music or them without knowing this video bring negative to not only army but bts do you think the guys themselves would agree with this.

zakkiyya Revell

I am being into the kpop since 2013 when I became fan of other groups prior I knew from BTS, I won´t say group names because is not necessary to do it but when I knew BTS by 2015 I became BTS FAN, period...is not just about the music and the message that ofc is big part of the package that comes with them but is also their personalities like you know guys, what piss off the fandom is that some kpop fans say "why you don't give this x group a chance?"...we don't have the obligation to do so, period...I consider myself ocasionally listener of other group´s music and also solo kpop artists but not a fan, I also tried to became fan like other people mentioned here but I just didn't feel the conexion, on the other hand about that random account (that btw was fan of x kpop group) in the fandom we just take it as a joke, the meme material that was made back then was insane and we just laugh with the whole situation , the idea of this person and many other kpop fans was to provoke a negative action towards ARMY to at the end make us look like the "childish" "toxic" "immature" fandom we are always portrait which was not the case AT ALL, if you don't attack my group I will not do it with yours, as simple as that....btw I feel a little disappointed, I believed you guys were reacting to THIS video that I feel brings more detailed and accurate information, once I saw the video I felt sad, just in case you want to react to a better version of this video you saw now ( I am crossing my fingers you will) here is the link, believe me this is a better one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU5S7c4X69w , thank you for the reaction guys, I may not always agree with some of your points but I respected them , I like you are all open minded.

Kharys A

no one is denying the things that happened, however it’s different armys create issues, push false narratives and partake in hypocritical behavior. The woman in the video essentially called every group in kpop useless and don’t deserve to be in the same sentence as bts. There are plenty of valid reasons to not love the industry and even some kpop fans who anti bts but there is nothing right or valid about downplaying groups in the name of uplifting bts. The amount of times armys create conflict just because they can use bts’ numbers is insane. it’s bts vs. grammys when they lose but when you want to bring down a kpop group you flaunt the nomination. it’s bts vs. united states when armys feel they don’t need the Western validation but complain about the lack radio play. It’s hypocrisy after hypocrisy and it’s unnecessary. Bts are way past all of this, they’ve already become legendary and their status does not need to be argued.

syncere

I feel exactly the same way. I do like other kpop and khip hop music, like BP, EXO, Jackson Wang, dpr, Skz, Enhypen, Ateez, also even going to some of their concerts. I do give them a chance. I also do listen to more western music & French music than kpop in general cause that's just my taste. Like you said if it's good music at the end of the day that's what I'm going for. But that doesn't mean I'm a fan, since I've always been a casual listener. Only BTS made me fall deep into them for so many reasons that I can't explain here, and I never felt that way with any other artist before. I don't think people really get the full grasp of what it means to be ARMY, the passion and real dedication it takes. And how the connection we feel with BTS is on another level. It's ok to not stan all the kpop groups there.

Irina BM

But pls try to be unbiased, Cus vips were definitely doing more than armys nd it went on for days nd had several hit twts one having over 23k likes. Armys do not disregard any members of bts. We try our best even with the increase of solos, mantis etc to support all members nd that is a constant focal point on army twt. U definitely have a perception of armys in ur head nd u r entitled to that, but when having discussions refrain from that.

Tenny

I definitely agree with Reece it isn't victim complex especially when there was very real consequences from what bts had to go through alone and have literally said in the industry they've only had army's and armys have only had bts to protect eachother. What bts AND army's have gone through should not be downplayed especially when joonie has said when bts were attacked so was army's. Armys have a right to feel discouraged about other groups especially groups under big3 labels . It's not a victim complex when it things actually happened and ppl were actually affected from it. Its not something we can let go as it's still happening and I'm not putting words in their mouths when they've said people from the industry and other fandoms were trying to hurt them AND army's as joon has said in festa. Disregarding actual attacks and history is wrongful.

Grace B.

At the end of the day, the only thing that brings me peace in all this toxicity is knowing BTS doesn't think of themselves as Gods or better than anyone else, it's the clout chasing fans that do. I wish more of army would be as humble as the people they look up to and just let the music and talent speak for itself without taking away from other groups. I even see it in the member's individual albums how many other artists they feature on them. BTS themselves WANT their fans to listen to other people in the k-industry.

hannah⁷

it's totally Understandable thank you for the reaction looking forward to Friday's drop have a great week. <3

baby zee

Definitely agree with a lot of your comment. I do think that is a factor but I especially agree with when you described the companies music styles being consistent through groups like those. The singing style from sm that for some reason makes them sound interchangeable and ygs music , etc. I just do not find anything from these groups that makes them unique and on top of everything their company pulls that makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about . There is a lot of factors that make it hard to even want to listen and when I did listen there was nothing that would make me want to stan them let alone support and give money to a company that actively wants to sabotage and harm bts. So for me it's a combination of musically not liking them and the history behind these companies, other fandoms, and certain idols themselves.

Grace B.

I do see your point. I honestly don’t think that this is an anomaly for Armys. I came across a lot of Kpop groups where set fandoms had a similar mindset. A lot of fandoms (especially boygroup fans) like to stick or stay loyal to their groups, because like you said, they could care less about other groups. And that is what most of kpop initially is. Building a loyal fandom that supports you throughout everything.

Archstud

i stan bts and listen to mostly them i listen to some twice, some mamamoo, some g-idle, some kard, some txt, and recently le sserafim. i also listen to iu, epik high, balming, tiger, younha, heize, tiger jk, yoon mirae, billie, chung ha, stayc, mamamoo solo members music, nayeon, purple kiss, secret number all of these artists to me bring something unique or arent even kpop to begin with or fall under the yes and no category of kpop. i think if you remove yg and sm from the conversation many armys would disagree with this video but because theyre in the convo thats why most agree. sm and yg artists have a certain sound many of them sound similar to each other and besides looking different theres not much difference between groups like how blackpink is similar to 2ne1. treasure is similar to big bang. it might be the production but for example i havent heard a treaure song until just now writing this comment and i actually like this song '직진 (JIKJIN)' up until the last verse?chorus?bridge?ending? whatever it is at the end but EVERY yg group does that big finale ending that doesnt fit the song and just ruins the song at least for me. like so many of blackpink songs would be good for me if their endings werent so drastic and big bang does it too for bang bang bang and cl does it for hello bitches im not sure why they always do that but thats one of the ways i cant distingish the groups cause they all do that. as for sm theres a vocal style that every group does i dont know the technicalities or how to word it but its there and makes the groups seem interchangeable. the only two groups ive seen differences is red velvet and billie. and nct but not in a good way i really dont like nct's music ill leave it at that to be respectful. hybe groups and groups from jyp and groups from any other label that isnt yg or sm have more unique elements and are distinguishable. i think if labels would stop being dirty and trying to sabotage bts or try to replicate bts success and just let their groups do whatever those groups want to do instead of being so controlled then maybe there would be less friction between fandoms or at least armys attitude against kpop groups would change more for sm and yg groups if their label just did better on every aspect but especially with how they treat those groups and how they treat bts in media. some armys might even disagree with my comment and say all kpop sounds the same even from jyp and smaller labels some may even dislike hybe groups besides bts. some might even say im just wrong and every group from everywhere is unique and ill accept all those opinions this is just my take on why i agree with this video and why i dont personally like most kpop groups from sm and yg majorly. and i also think the general public is heavily influenced by what sm and yg do which is why so many people hate kpop without even giving it a chance cause they see the way sm and yg do things so many people wont even give bts a chance cause they see kpop as sm rules of dating bans, treating artists terrible, no creative freedom etc etc etc you all know what people think and all of that stems from sm. which adds to armys dislike. i dont blame any of sm or yg groups though and i hope they find ways to get out of those labels. i even hear jyp isnt all that great anymore which is why got 7 left hopefully more groups can do what they did if they want better for themselves as a group and as solo artists. as far as i know bts is happy at hybe and hybe is good to their groups the minute that changes ill advocate for them too. i think a large part of what music i enjoy is either being completely clueless or knowing the artists are in good hands. like for american artists i enjoyed so many until i found out they were mistreated in kpops case i heard about the mistreatment first so i cant enjoy those groups knowing that theyre in such a label. bts label has always been good and all artists even ones who left say it was good there so thats all i can go by. i cant like groups from yg or sm knowing that the groups currently are being mistreated and the ones who left were mistreated. i think its a lot of factors that are partly musically but also just stuff that isnt that impacts if armys like those artists.

tori

Definitely always down to learn new things..

Redemption 46 Studios

@Redemtion46studios Thank you for being amazing reactors even if we disagree on something. I appreciate you guys being so respectful towards others opinion 💜💜🙏

Grace B.

This ARMY loves kpop, kdramas and anything else related S. Korea. I have been studying the Korean language for 6 months now. I’m always open to learning new things. As far as music goes I like all genres and Kpop is the top of my list.

HopeNicole_ Btsarmy

@REESE You are literally just proving what the comment is saying. The original comment wasn't about BTS themselves it was about ARMY. Acknowledging that ARMY have taken BTS story doesn't discredit the work that they have done or continue to do for everything they have. Being black is an intrinsic part of existence as a human. Like you are born black there is no choice. You can choose to be a ARMY it isn't the same. In addition the victim complex isn't again directed to the boys. The boys are amazing, they struggled and fought and we stood behind/beside then for the whole way, However, thier story is not ours.

Valentine

Respectfully.. I was listening to mainly Krnb (Dean, Crush, Colde, Bibi,) then shuffled BTS ‘Blue & Grey’ and I’m like yo who tf is this singing in that angelic of a voice, of course it was V 🥰 and down the wormhole I went 😂 I followed BTS during the panoramic (pandemic) and they really brought me up from a deep dark place, and I haven’t had no one, bring me up like they did. I know it may sound cringey but it’s the truth that you find BTS when you need them. I have nothing against other groups, they gone do there thing, cus I fw pop heavy especially Twice and Girls Generation 😂 it’s nothing wrong with listening to other groups but it’s not cool to be disrespectful bc at the end of the day, it’s not just bringing a bad name on Army but BTS as well. “Haters gone hate, playas gone play, live your life suckas” - President Namjoon

Sella

Agreed.. I definitely know what points she was trying to hit and agree with most but she left me disappointed

Redemption 46 Studios

@Syncere Dixon Thank you!

Caroline

Weather we agree or disagree Imma always make sure you’re heard.. you’ve always been nothing but respectful and full of positive energy.. I appreciate you sharing information and personal experiences.. we’re here to get some dope conversations and also learn more from people who been in the k world for a long time.. thank you so much

Redemption 46 Studios

I feel like in the video she didn't really go in depth as to why army don't like K-pop it mainly stems from how right from the beginning K-pop stans and companies have targeted BTS with really malicious, degrading and disgusting things and that's why army's became really protective of BTS and isolated themselves from the K-pop community. it only got worse as BTS started becoming famous as K-pop stans are very hostile and nasty towards BTS and army's till date as they have such a large hate-boner for everything BTS do, everything the members do literally becomes discourse as it is is spun to fit their narrative that BTS are terrible people they literally harass the members and infiltrate into army spaces most especially on twitter where literally army's can't have discussions or jokes amongst themselves without k-pop stans giving their input into it, k-pop stans literally get hit tweets with over 20-100k likes saying the nastiest and the most dehumanising things about BTS. it literally is Army's vs the entire k-pop community so no it's not a victim complex so many things have nasty things and events have been going on for years for the most part army's are not this awful toxic set of people as we are being portrayed army's are constantly being provoked by other fandom's and are expected to be the bigger person and let things go and not retaliate. so I feel that's why army's isolate themselves from the k-pop community they may listen to the music of some groups or soloists but they just don't Stan them and I think that's what makes k-pop stans upset. I feel like their are better videos and tweets to explain everything

baby zee

I agree with a lot of points ( not all)of her video, In my opinion stuff I've heard and watched from kpop I could care less for their music and really it does seem like a lot of it is concept after concept rather than growth musically and I'm not saying for all cause I do see some k pop artist have growth ( themselves) and not forced musically by their company that just wants to go with trends. Alot of k pop music does seem shallow still and again I'm not saying all but a lot of it is in my opinion. Armys have checked out other groups music and kpop in general but largely don't care for them. They will like a few songs like I have but largely I don't care for most of the groups music or messages so i will not stan them. The reason k pop has a bad reputation in the first place was cause (largely) the music was meaningless and is still largely focused on looks and just certain vibes ( not saying vibe music is bad but that's what it mostly presented as). From my take on writing on music I didn't take it as bts were the first to do so but bts writing skills did in fact set them a part from other k pop idols initially and globally cause there was very few idols at that time who did so in the industry and groups again LARGELY did not write their own music or have any input on their musical journey ( wheather that be because of their company or its not their thing) . Those who actually wrote their music like the person you mentioned were very very few and now ppl are starting to write more music now because it can be seen as successful . If you happen to watch xceleste reaction video to one of this persons videos with her friend who've been fans of kpop since 2006 and 2009 they even mention how largely shallow the music was before bts ( not all again just a good portion) and how bad of a rep k pop had because artistically they were very controlled. This is outside of k hiphop or other genres like the video mentioned as they aren't considered " idol music". I still absolutely do not care for the idol industry and if I like a song or 2 great but I don't think I'll ever get into kpop in general and there are more reasons for that but I don't feel like I should have to force myself to care for kpop music and continualy look for an outliar in the industry its simply if I don't like it I don't like it . BTS are where they are for a reason, ppl like their music only for a reason . Statistically army's are mostly army's as shown in the graph and don't get into k pop even after checking kpop out. If ppl like other groups too great they can like whoever they like but I do see the points on the video cause her points are some of the reasons I don't like or feel the need to stan k pop artists as well. BTS are different and that's part of the reason they stood out among others and statistically grew bigger than k pop cause it didn't matter if ppl discovered k pop from bts a majority of those ppl didn't stay to stan those they've checked out cause bts' music and as ppl just had a greater impact to people than other groups. I do wish she got into the history of the sabotage of kpop companies have and are still doing and how k pop fandoms ostracized and actually tried harming bts as well but I guess she'll leave that for another video. But hey thanks for reading if you did and I doubt you'll agree just getting my opinion out there as well lol

Grace B.

i’m so fr

syncere

some people take what bts have been through and apply their anger at the wrong people. why would you use their worst experiences in the industry to try and discredit other artists. I don’t know why you’re mentioning their worst experiences as if the video addressed that in depth, they were just discrediting kpop and being hypocritical.

syncere

bruh are you fr??

Alisha 3

I did not say that vips did not say any weird shit towards the collab or jimin bc we all know how unhinged they can be which lo even talked about toward the end of video lol. I saw a good amount of people on twt saying theyll ignore the collab, maybe not the majority but some still did. bts stans def do disregard the members when it comes to certain things but thats a totally different topic

Saye

Wow

Redemption 46 Studios

a decent portion of armys have a victim complex, its always bts vs everyone else. bts are great artists and i think that should speak for itself.

syncere

I personally only idolize BTS. Yes i have tried to get into other groups like Seventeen and Stray Kids etc and while i do like other groups and kpop music in general, i dont consider myself a fan... which is fine. I discovered kpop with BTS in early 2017 and just have a really special connection with them that's like no other, something that i believe i will never feel with anyone else. But over all I like kpop, if its good music its good music lol. I do probably listen to more western music than kpop tho, just my preference.

laura

I think the creator of that video and people who agreed with it really took the fact that majority of kpop is manufactured and ran with it. bts aren't the first or the last idols in kpop to write their music or produce. there are plenty of kpop groups that have evolved and are involved with their craft. They were being very dismissive of this.

syncere

You hit it on the head

Redemption 46 Studios

Thank you so much for this.. so informative and personal.. really appreciate you and your support

Redemption 46 Studios

Me personally I like soloists more than groups so I personally enjoy when idols do go solo because a lot of their skills & talents are hidden within their group. I think BTS is the only group I've listened to where I enjoy them both as a group & individuals. I don't have anything against other groups because I mean they're all talented as hell regardless but I usually like their personalities more so than their music. Meaning outside of the music, I can name a lot of idols and tell you what groups they're from & their personalities. [this is me speaking as a mainly boygroup stan] For example, Baekhyun, he was amazing in EXO (ik they're still a group) but I loved his individual work even more outside of EXO. I listen to Bambi just about every day.

Madison

26:38 Exactly! 2nd Gen acts have been doing this.

Tkats

Armys were not saying they wouldn’t support the collab. Many r not excited about it, yes but armys will always support bts no matter wat. Do u know how many ppl don’t like Crush nd they still supported Rush hour even after wat he did??? U r also very biased with this particular comment Cus u had bb fans quite literally insulting bts nd jimin over an unconfirmed collab. Saying they will not support. In the entire year of 2022 bts have hung out with ppl some armys do not like but that will not deter them from supporting. So pls don’t misinform ppl on here to fit a particular narrative. Armys can be mean but we will not disregard the tannies over someone we do not like. Hope u understand.

Tenny

👏🏾👏🏾 couldn’t agree more

Lo R46

At least you tried lol

Redemption 46 Studios

This is precisely it, ppl make it seem like it can only be one way, but both are true. Others came before and accomplished and did many things like writing their own music, breaking the average genre, and getting some international feedback. Having a preference does not stop those truthful facts.

I.C.Y

Tkats

I casually listen to other kpop groups outside of bts but I can't connect with them at all...I really tried lol but it just doesn't work for me.

Alisha 3

I’ll be honest the person in their video was very biased, condescending, and hypocritical. How are you gonna say that there is a lot to explore with BTS and not to make assumptions about their artistry but then flip to generalizing the rest of the industry. There are many groups who have their musical identity or at least developing one. Telling people not to be ignorant about BTS but pushing ignorant rhetoric about the rest of Kpop 😵‍💫

Tkats

Thanks for the reaction it's insightful for me sometimes to get to hear opinions outside of Army even though I am Army myself. My history with Kpop began in 2009, I think I stumbled upon SNSD's Gee Gee music video on youtube, it was such a shock to me it was something i've never heard or seen before. I remember not really liking it bc it was too "cutesy" for me haha. I remember I was being introduced to kpop members individually before I even knew they were music artist bc I was watching them on certain reality shows like Daesung from Bigbang, Taecyon from 2pm, or Jackson from Got7 (looved them on the shows they were in btw). You can say I am that ARMY that isn't necessarily a fan of other kpop groups, but I do like a couple of their songs and even a single member aside from their groups do to me seeing them on a certain show. Even before getting into BTS I remember I saw a 5 second clip of BTS's Boy in Luv music video and closing out of it bc I wasn't interested in the school boy concept that was back in 2015 I think and then rediscovered them in 2016 a week after Blood Sweat and Tears came out and then have been with them ever since. All that to say is even though I am ARMY I do listen to other Kpop songs, the only difference is I won't be invested in the group as I am with BTS, which has nothing to do with the group. It's just that I am already musically and emotionally invested with BTS and I'm happy where I am. Just some favorite songs from other groups (more not included) TVXQ : Mirotic, Keep Your Head Down .....2NE1: Lonely, Ugly Wonder Girls: Be My Baby, Like This, Why So Lonely

kimberly enriquez

Yeah the video was very dismissive and petty at times.. I definitely get the overall message but I feel like she dissed some of my favs lol.. Good conversation tho 🔥

Redemption 46 Studios

You real 🔥🔥

Redemption 46 Studios

Understandable.. what artist do you listen to outside of BTS?

Redemption 46 Studios

Its also the fact that most of them only listen to bts and no other music at all from any other country or genre loll

Saye

Honestly, I really tried getting into other groups, but most of their discography is not to my taste and I'm not gonna force myself to like it, I think pop stans should just accept that not everyone is going to like every group that comes from the industry.

Mirian Garcia

ok?! and???? this was just my opinion about the content, you can disagree without answering me ok? i don't like it.

peanut

I havent finished the video and was already commenting on some stuff lol just got to when yall talk about the whole bigbang/bts situation and I wholeheartedly agree with everything yall said. I stanned bigbang way before bts bc I loved gd and taeyang and their solo work. bigbang has been doing soo much and bts obviously looks up to them rightfully and to see army say they wont support the release is crazy, same thing happened when J hope had his party and invited half of the khiphop industry and armies were saying that everyone was clout chasing hobi when HE invited them himself. Bigbang gd called out Mama at Mama for being fake and handing out awards just to keep the big groups happy and still got invited the next year lol

Saye

Some ARMYs look down on K-pop idols other than BTS and pretend that they are kings. On the other hand, how funny BTS thinks of those few ARMYs. 😅🤣 sorry for my english

Oi Oi

It’s the effort that counts 👏🏾💜

Lo R46

These videos aren't petty or disrespectful at all, people just can't seem to swallow the hard pill of truth, that's just a fact, you can't handle honesty. This person who made this video was doing nothing but being honest, and you consider honesty as being petty and disrespectful, tough luck

REECE

I love BTS both in media and personality-wise. I like a lot of other kpop music as well. I have also tried to consume other media from kpop groups; I can't get into them as a whole either. But groups and individuals like Jackson, NCT, and others definitely have bops.

I.C.Y

peanut

Most are positive, informative, respectful and supportive.. I try my best to focus on the good in everything but some toxic fans can be annoying and that’s with any group

Redemption 46 Studios

I’m Ctfu 😂😂

Redemption 46 Studios

So don't get me wrong, I am not saying others do not also call BTS kpop, but the majority of ARMY who are international aren't going to. Just like if you ask people internationally, they arent going to distinguish hip hop, RnB, etc. But I definitely get what you are saying.

I.C.Y

Now this was insightful… it makes sense with you being more into cinema & books that most music won’t move you. That calls for true artistry and creativity and in the streaming era only a few have those traits

Lo R46

Nah I totally understand… What artist do you listen to from America? And do you a fav genre?

Redemption 46 Studios

Just because some ARMYS only like BTS & not everything involving kpop, does not make us immature & stupid

REECE

Request some Doja & Bey reactions lol 🌚

Lo R46

Some ARMYs are immature and stupid 😅

Oi Oi

I love this comment.. you on the money here.. being a kpop fan is fun and lit 🔥🔥🔥

Redemption 46 Studios

This was well said… the clout chasing has infected every area of pop culture so no surprise Kpop and subsequently ARMY has some toxic people in the midst. You Redeemer ARMY are always respectful, pleasant and generally fun so none of the sharp comments are ever towards you guys 💜

Lo R46

Oh yeah ofc😭😭 outside of bts I’m in doja cat, meg thee stallion and Beyoncé’s fandoms and I love music of all genres I just havnt found another kpop group that clicks for me like bts has yet… maybe one day

gyukoo

I am one of those armys who only stan BTS and not kpop. I am not a big music person. I am more into cinema and books. I can fall in love with movies/series/books without having an emotional connection with anyone involved. But with music, i NEED to fall in love with the artists first and then their songs. The only time i listen to any other music is when commuting. And i jst repeatedly play whtever song i am in the mood for tht day, be it kpop, jpop, american music, bollywood, asian drama ost etc. 😅

Shna Faruq

You might be on to something there.. I talked about it in the video that some people come off as try hards while others come off as informative.. thank you

Redemption 46 Studios

I agree 100%.. from what I see other groups before them also helped transcend the genre in a smaller scale.. BTS definitely broke that scale but it’s interesting hearing everyone’s take on the evolution of kpop

Redemption 46 Studios

And thank you for the comment, love and support 💜💜

Redemption 46 Studios

I can respect that.. do you listen to other music outside of BTS?

Redemption 46 Studios

ATE!! they think that being an army is better than any other kpop fan bc of how popular bts is, alot of them take bts clout as their own even though they started listening to bts 2-3 years ago. Till this day bts themselves still talk about their seniors and how they respect them

Saye

That’s good enough for us… the fact that you like us enough to consume other content through us means a lot

Lo R46

you do realize that if you ask anyone internationally "what is bts?" they will tell you its kpop lol. Bts is obviously one of the most distinctive and diverse idol groups but they're still kpop and saying that you only like bts is fine, its the saying that bts is the only musically diverse group so they're not kpop is a problem. kpop, khiphop, krnb, and kballads are all genres in korea and even have their own award shows, competition show etc.

Saye

I’m an army who doesn’t listen to any other groups in kpop but there isn’t rlly a reason for me other than just lack of interest I’ll watch other kpop things through ur guys reactions but that’s enough for me 🤷🏽‍♀️

gyukoo

I think the big issue comes from the fact that the source of kpop (SK) refers to it as kpop, khiphop, etc. So others do not put much thought into distinguishing because they do not care enough. But BTS is being distinguished domestically and internationally. So ARMY like myself will say I like BTS but not Kpop.

I.C.Y

BTS transcended whatever you may define as K-Pop in my humble opinion. I also simply don't connect with other groups just like they said in the videos, I tried though.

Iman

TBH with being an ARMY since 2013 I do think that some of these "new ARMY's" are clout chasing and the main people attacking other groups because they don't know the etiquette of being ARMY. They'll hear 2 seconds of a song and claim that "they are ARMY" when that's not how it works. I feel like this is more of a generation thing, 2nd and beginning of 3rd gen of k-pop is when fans were huge on respect for other artists the end of 3rd gen and 4th gen brought in people that are ready to hate on groups for no reason.

Mina Sasano

Ive been an army since late 2014 and I hate this take so much. I understand that bts went through a lot of discrimination because they are a kpop group. To me kpop is idol music and idol music comes from being trainees. Lots of armys tend to think that being a kpop fan is embarrassing and thats just internalized hatred lol. You can have genres in idol music ofc but its still considered kpop to me, the only time I wont call it kpop is when the raplines have units and solo releases. You CANNOT listen to someone like bobby, mino, jooheon, Rm, Suga, GD and even 3racha and tell me that its kpop because it doesnt have any of the aspects of kpop (maybe bc Ive grown up with hiphop) and calling someone that actually makes raps/hiphop music kpop is idk. Being Kpop is not offensive and theres nothing wrong with being an idol

Saye

For Sure

Redemption 46 Studios

As this is over 90 minutes of conversation please watch the entire vid before commenting on certain things… just to prevent repetition as well as confusion. As always we love you ARMY 💜Borahae

Lo R46