Redemption Reacts to Difference Between Sports Fans and Boy Band Fans
Added 2022-07-29 12:05:08 +0000 UTC
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Since most of you are men and have been men your whole lives, I’m not sure if you could truly understand what it’s like just because you wouldn’t have had that experience.
Sherry
2022-08-02 12:56:55 +0000 UTCI think it’s something hard to understand unless you experience it yourself tbh. Most people are more hesitant to disrespect a man to his face over his interests simple because they are aware that man might punch them in the face. People, by and large, do not have the same concerns that if you disrespect a woman she’ll punch you in the face. Again there are exceptions but there is a physical difference between how much of a ‘threat’ a man vs a woman is to you and that’s just biology.
Sherry
2022-08-02 12:54:13 +0000 UTCTHIS 100%
Mari
2022-07-31 02:22:06 +0000 UTCAppreciate you for this queen.. we try are best to learn and be respectful here... def wanna do more open and honest conversations. Y'all put us on to so many things we didn't know...
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-07-30 21:39:33 +0000 UTCI loved loved loved this discussion and hearing your own personal experiences too! It was so interesting and I think it's so brave to be so open and honest about a difficult topic so thank you all for wanting to and actually talking like you did (like in all of your videos we know to expect honesty and i love it). Us redeemers wouldn't be here if we didn't want to hear your opinions, whether we agree or not- the level of respect and open-mindedness you show is something we should all take note from
Laura B
2022-07-30 10:35:11 +0000 UTCthat's EXACTLY it !
FunnyLobster
2022-07-30 09:23:31 +0000 UTCI appreciate that you're trying, but it may have been better to show you concrete examples of what we face. The video you watched was assuming prior knowledge and awareness and just pointing out the hypocrisy. It's like how a large number of white ppl don't believe racism exists because they don't personally see it, or hear it or recognise when it happens around them. They don't notice it, so it's no longer a problem. The everyday choices of language. The difference in ppls reactions to things. It's sometimes very overt. Others said under the breath. Ppl are usually very comfortable publicly displaying these forms of sexism though because they don't even realise they're being sexist and they view female pastimes as less on no basis. They think they have a basis.
Cassy G
2022-07-30 04:23:45 +0000 UTCI'm going to try and word this as best as I can, because I feel like some points with XCeleste/Rosan's video were overlooked or missed out on, or just taken differently than what was meant. If that makes sense. This video was not made to say "Oh poor ARMY, look how we're called weird and called a joke. Look how we're bullied for liking Kpop." As Rosan says from the start, it's a look at how Woman/Females and Men/Males are treated vastly different in society as a whole when it comes to things they like. So Boy Bands(She states why she used BTS- because they are the biggest boyband, it was not because they're kpop.)were used as the example of something that is female dominated, and then Sports because that is a male dominated thing. She was pointing out the similarities- Obviously there are differences, boybands and sport stars are not the same in every way, but there are similar things, and their fandoms are similar. while yes, Boybands don't typically last- there's women out there in their 70's who are STILL die hard Beatles fans, getting their grand/great-grand kids to help them use Ebay so they can finally get their hands on that old Ringo Star Signed lunch box. The same as my grandpa just bought another custom Lazy boy recliner decked out in Giants colors cause he's a huge Giants fanboy. But I can't call him a fanboy... because society has told him that he is a MAN for liking sports, because sports are superior. If a girl likes sports, then she's cool and one of the guys.. NOT because she's taken seriously as a fan of sports by the majority. In the same path- I have a cousin on my father's side who is in his 30's, loves video games and tech shit. That side of the family regards him as smart, and tech savvy, aware of the future. Because that sort of thing is accepted... because society said it was okay to like those things, to be into those things as long as you're a man. A girl/woman being tech savvy... no problem, as long as she's a sexy nerd with glasses like the movies tell us she needs to be. In recent years females have finally been a little more welcomed in the world of gaming/e-sports, and a girl liking Anime is no big deal because society tells us that girls only like certain kinds of Anime, magical girl Anime, and if they don't... well as long as they go to conventions dressed up as a sexy nurse Joy, or maybe a sexy Bowsette... well it's all good then. That's the sexist side of it. But that's not all there is to it. I know it's hard to fully grasp these things when they don't happen to you. Like anything else, if you don't experience it, you won't be able to understand it fully. We're not talking about some people being jerks and trashing our musical tastes... no, we're talking about society as a whole who constantly degrades women's interests, lessens our value by 'poking' at things we have an interest in. It's like someone saying the only things women are good at are spending money that isn't theirs and getting headaches that last months. It's degrading, it's painting a picture that's far from the truth. It tells little girls that no matter what they do- someone is going to not take them seriously if they show an interest in..because society would have others believe that their likes, their interests are invalid. Now, make no mistake, it's not just men who do this... it's all of society who set up and continues to push this narrative that woman are mentally incapable of rational thoughts because of how 'crazy' they get for a music act, an actor, or whatever else they love and enjoy. This is not a new thing, women used to be diagnosed with this 'disorder' when they were excited for things. Many submitted to hospitals that tortured those deemed 'mentally ill'. And while we've come a long way from that- we're still ridiculed and held to that stigma. It's why many women only feel comfortable being themselves with other women or those who are empathetic and not going to hold us to those stupid claims. I get that you're just speaking on a few things and from your own perspective. And that's fine, that's great, we love these talks and seeing the view from all sides. I think some though might be taking you doing that as dismissing the main point- society has been broken on this topic and we do need to talk about it and squash this fucked up view that has been forced on children and society for a long long time. It's great that some women can let it roll off their back, it's great that someone would knock a fucker out if they tried to call her mentally unstable.. unfortunately an act of violence once works against proving that women are just as mentally stable as men. But to each their own. I am sure you don't mean to come off as dismissive, again.. I think you were coming at this from your side of things(which you did point out before). However we need people- society to recognize this problem and make moves to eliminate it. normalize girls/women being excited and cheering for things they like. Don't point out the 'crazy fan girls' waiting for their favorite musician, celebrate their loyalty, and the good- like when they clean up the streets, or after a show in the park they make sure all their trash is cleaned up. Celebrate their smiles and how mothers and daughters are sharing in things together, even grandmothers, daughters, grand daughters, nieces... are all bonding and coming together and having fun. Living. Not being put in a box that society deems we need to be in. I can see why some of the things you said felt off and seemed to some like you were just ignoring it or rather, sweeping it under the rug. I'd like to point out that you actually proved the point that was trying to be made- Society thinks women over-react, thinks we get too emotional over these things... however you guys focused on the sports, and talked about how vastly different boybands are to sports stars, you saw the video and that's what stuck out to you. I'm not saying it's wrong, but Lo's passion on how sports are treasured through generations... that proved the point. Society only sees one side, the side that is most accepted. For generations male dominated sports has been accepted. Musicians legacys last a long time too though. Through our parents... like with sports.. we learn of the great musicians of the past, how they made the world a little brighter with music, and we learn who they inspired. So while actually performing for some boybands does have a short shelf life.... the impact, that's what lasts. We still talk about the Beatles and Michael Jackson, we still talk about the Diva's of the past like Diana Ross and Aretha Franklin. We still talk of them, many still have their records, some have items like t-shirts from these artists.... these legends concerts way back in the 70's. It's the same as people and their families collecting sports memorabilia, and there's no denying it. I tried not to rant to much here. But I just felt like you covered a lot of what your views were from your side- but in doing that, you came off as saying it's not right to compare fandoms. But... that's not what Rosan was trying to do. I think that point might have been missed- and maybe it's because of her editing style and not being more in your face with what she was getting at. She did focus a lot on similarities and could have driven the point that these societal boxes are harmful. So maybe you were confused a bit. I don't think you meant any negativity or mean to come off how it did. I do want to thank you for opening up this talk again, because it's something we should talk about, to try and understand both sides. And to hopefully break the shackles that society tries to pin on women. I hope I don't come off as a nagging bitch lol. I tried to see your points, and I understand some of what you guys were saying. However I did feel some things were not touched on that were more on point with the point of the video. I also hope this makes sense, I was being overly cautious and didn't want to seem like I was coming at you guys swinging. I just hope I didn't ramble and repeat myself too much lol. Thank you for giving us a place to voice ourselves, Nick. Thank you for- even if you don't agree or can't see where some of us are coming from- you let us speak, and that I for one am thankful for. 💜💜
ARMYnotArmy
2022-07-30 02:33:25 +0000 UTCThank you queen... I appreciate that y'all brought light to an issue we didn't know about.. and y'all taught us more instead of just bashing us... I love it here with y'all
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-07-30 01:14:10 +0000 UTCThis. 100% what was the point about. The main reason why sport fans vs. boy group fans are labeled differently is because sports fans are mostly men and boy band fans are mostly women. So in the end it's way deeper than only kpop and sports fans differences, it's about the way society perceives men and women's actions and interests in complete different, not equitable and biased ways. And the way it's been perceived is so intricate because it's been established for centuries and for women's entire existences (through education, medias, society, family, friends, work) that it's not that easy to just "let it go, not worry or not mind about what people think or say". Like it affects women on so many levels. It's a systemic issue coming from a patriarchal society in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it. It's not an individual issue, your arguments were based on isolated factors and based on your own individual experiences but it has nothing to do with what women experienced since it doesn't come from the same issues/place. I could go deeper but the point is that it's not just from a kpop fans standpoint, but the reason why they are often looked down on and disparaged is simply because of a way larger issue, long story short: society is ruled by men overall. Like The Beatles, they were downplayed and musically criticized for years because of their image with their fans (Beatlemania) being mostly "crazy women screaming", but the minute men started to like their music, the band got much more respect and appreciation in the world for some reason. Perception and validation suddenly change when it's associated with men, not to blame only men but that's the reality. Thanks for trying to keep the conversation though.
Irina BM
2022-07-30 00:13:43 +0000 UTCI think you sorta miss the point. The question the video ask is why actions of sports fans is called passionate or civic pride etc etc. But boy group fans are called crazy, rabid, lunatic. You focused on individual experiences. Or whether you experience being put down. It is not about sports fans fighting. It is how the fans actions are labeled. It is socially acceptable for sports fans to act the way they do. The question is why is it if boy group fans show the same passion they are called crazy, lunatic etc. This is not a comparison of sports vs boy group. It is about how the actions of the fandoms are labeled. It also has nothing to do about the popularity of a sports team or kpop. It is strictly about the labeling of fandoms actions. Sorry for the long rambling comment. Lol
Jerome Letang
2022-07-29 22:37:37 +0000 UTCthank you for this reaction guys, I really appreciate your hard work and open minds.
Velma Clario
2022-07-29 19:39:52 +0000 UTCOne of my friends from the Air Force is Colombian and he was apeshit about Ronaldo lol
Lo R46
2022-07-29 14:28:59 +0000 UTCBut we have experienced people try us or slick comments in certain instances… I think I even brought up in the video how my mom did that to me throughout my childhood… none of the panel is trying to invalidate girls/ women’s experiences but instead just share insight from the outside looking in as well share resolutions…
Lo R46
2022-07-29 14:27:07 +0000 UTCFor sure
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-07-29 14:26:37 +0000 UTCCan y’all react to nct dream teddy bear uncut
Janell
2022-07-29 14:22:13 +0000 UTCYeah those guys are literally idols lol so I know people go crazy over them
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-07-29 14:21:40 +0000 UTCYeah most Media outlets are trash now smh
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-07-29 14:20:49 +0000 UTCAlso one more thing its the way the news portray boy band fans vs sports fans, like they use the word "RABID" for us but use "passionate" to sports fans it's frustrating
Eman Omer
2022-07-29 13:46:20 +0000 UTCI hear you with the sense of belonging thing but I have seen some people in Africa will cry and go crazy for messy or christiano. There is no belonging and pride anywhere.
Eman Omer
2022-07-29 13:41:40 +0000 UTCSmh.. that’s corny
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-07-29 13:21:19 +0000 UTCBTS are already getting hate for their World Cup 2022 song and that just got announced. Some people are always gonna be bitter, no changing that, even though it sucks.
Madison
2022-07-29 13:19:14 +0000 UTCThe manner wasn't Kpop Celeste literally used other boy bands as an example and the title is literally Boy Band fans vs sports fans
REECE
2022-07-29 13:03:30 +0000 UTCIts not just Kpop fans that get belitted, its boy bands in general and sometimes its not even just boy bands, girls just get belittled for showing interest in ANYTHING, that's the problem like we can't do shit 😭 and its frustrating af, and since you guys have never experienced it I don't expect you to 100% understand and that's fine but Ive spent plenty of time hiding myself and crying for getting bullied for pretty much anything
REECE
2022-07-29 13:01:52 +0000 UTCI understand but as long as it's recognised that the conversation is a MUCH broader issue than BTS and K-pop and spans generations of treatment to women before internet trolls were a thing, then that's fine. This just happens to be the forum where the conversation was brought up but not exclusive to👌🏾
Tri
2022-07-29 12:44:21 +0000 UTCY’all spoke on something we didn’t know about and we wanted to spread awareness and learn more… y’all are amazing 🙏🏽
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-07-29 12:40:04 +0000 UTCWe know but the manner we watched in was kpop therefore we will have the discussion in kpop
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-07-29 12:39:26 +0000 UTCThis video isn't specific to KPOP at all. Just girls who like boy bands in general. BTS was just the example. Please do not misunderstand. They referenced the Beatles and other boybands. It's about how girls are treated in general for what they are enthusiastic about i.e. Boy Bands.
Tri
2022-07-29 12:25:00 +0000 UTCThe way you guys continued this discussion is honestly amazing. Seriously, you guys are awesome.
sabah
2022-07-29 12:16:46 +0000 UTC
