Angel: 5x8 Full Reaction
Added 2025-10-22 15:00:09 +0000 UTC"Destiny"
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"You wouldn't stop doing good is what I think, and it wouldn't make a difference." You said that and it reminded me of Cordelia, and how she's not here how she used to be to tell him what he needs to hear.
Morgan Williams
2025-10-30 01:50:26 +0000 UTCFinally finished S3 of Buffy on YT and made it over here for Angel. Glad you had YT links so I can continue watching on TV and not my phone 😂
GenetheBook
2025-10-27 02:29:59 +0000 UTCToxic Masculinity on display. Pride, Anger, Jealosy, Deception, Malice, mean-spirited rivalries, recriminations. The ugly side. A reminder about who we are dealing with : Spike a ruthless thrill-killer, now with somewhat of a conscience for the innocent. Angel, a Demon/Man who no longer wants to be only human, Gunn a tough street fighter, willing to kill for his ambitions, Lyndsey, a devious meddler with deep-seated hatreds for Angel and for Wolfram & Hart as well. I guess Harmony has an ugly, betraying, had enough to end you side in her too.
spikeysnack
2025-10-24 08:18:31 +0000 UTClol i do rely A LOT on hair to help me recognize people lmao
Cassie
2025-10-23 02:47:08 +0000 UTCI think the fight between Spike and Angel once again demonstrated that they both bring out the worst in each other. Their petty competitiveness is like the vampire version of Mean Girls. "Stop trying to make Shanshu happen. It's not going to happen!"
Gaius Frakking Baltar
2025-10-23 02:11:35 +0000 UTCNote for the normies: the tune Spike was blasting on his drive out to Nevada was "Too Drunk To Fuck" by the Dead Kennedys. It's his second classic punk driving tune, after "My Way" by Sid Vicous (of the Sex Pistols) back in season 3 of Buffy, when he popped back in to Sunnydale for one episode just to fuck up everybody's love lives.
Arlo Murphy
2025-10-23 01:54:25 +0000 UTCI can remember seeing Lindsey and for a second I couldn't even remember who he was ... Then it hit... I even thought to myself wasn't there a blonde cop who use to help Angel... Season 1 and 2 of this series just seem like forever ago... 🤣🤣🤣
Bryan J Brown
2025-10-22 23:15:21 +0000 UTCYou asked what the point in spinning the weapons round when fighting? Essentially the two mains reasons are 1 to change your angle of attack quicker and 2 make your attacks harder to read maybe you could consider them as the same reason. Anyway boring bit over.
Martin Gardner
2025-10-22 22:50:43 +0000 UTCI accidentally quoted Spike's "Drusilla sired me, but you made me a monster" speech in a comment a few episodes ago. I forgot it was a direct quote from a future episode, I thought I was being clever with summarizing their relationship. But it's very accurate! I wouldn't have thought it until you said it, but I get the BJ Novak association with early-Lindsey. It's not "proof", but I do think the prophecy is about Angel due to his original draw to the scrolls in season one. Angel first stole them from W&H when he broke in to steal something else, but felt himself inexplicably drawn to the random scrolls that he had no idea what they contained. Wesley theorized that he was drawn to them because they were about him, and if it's not about him then why would he have been drawn to them? Again, not PROOF, but it's definitely an indicator. I do like the characters in-universe recognizing that Spike winning the fight is a shift in the relationship between him and Angel. It doesn't necessarily mean he's "better" than Angel, but it means that they are not the same people they were before.
JBK405
2025-10-22 22:41:05 +0000 UTCYou’re ignoring that Angelus was essentially a cult leader, terrorizing and manipulating the Whirlwind members by egging them to ‘keep up’ with his sadistic acts. Angel does acknowledge everything Angelus did wrong but has never once as an ensouled being showed empathy or sympathy to the two literally present victims William and Drusilla. Undead as they may be the person that twisted and corrupted them is right there atoning for his sins but entirely ignores the two huge sins in his face. Especially given that Spike now has a soul could understand and appreciate that remorse from Angel, it’s screwed of Angel to be SO hostile to Spike this season and totally worth Spike retaliating with hostility. Through that lens every Angel/Spike interaction is either Spike trying to impress or reject his Grandsire and that dynamic along with any hostility is Angelus’ fault as well because that is who he trained ‘Spike’ to be — from the vampire name he chose to his Slayer obsession, even the fight to prove himself. Spike is a creature of Angelus’ making and Angel’s anger is a mask to ignore any kind of accountability because of guilt or Buffy or all the above
Isaiah Bryant
2025-10-22 22:03:05 +0000 UTCI really don’t like Spike in this episode. First, Spike acknowledges that Angel was cursed with a soul but Spike acts like that proves that Spike is better, rather than Angel suffers in a way that Spike doesn’t. Second, Spike argues that he is better because he fought for his soul. But Spike loves fighting. The first episode he appeared in Buffy, Spike’s flaw was that he loved fighting more than actually planning a successful attack. When Spike couldn’t hurt people, he joined the Scoobies because he loved fighting more than being a “normal” vampire. But here, Spike is acting like choosing to fight proves his moral superiority. Third, Spike argues that Angel doesn’t like Spike around because Angel hates seeing a reminder of how Angelus turned Spike evil. Which I think is part of Angel’s thinking. Every character in the Buffyverse seems to know that Angel believes he is responsible for everything Angelus did (except almost every other character in the Buffyverse, tries to tell Angel that he is good and not to blame for what Angelus did). Put these arguments together and the flashbacks highlighting Spike's thought process: it sounds like Spike arguing that ensouled Spike gets the credit for any positive thing (soulless or ensouled) Spike did regardless of his intentions at the time, but Angel gets the blame for any bad thing that Angelus, Angel, and Spike has ever done. Spike is completely lacking empathy in this episode, the fact that Spike so easily overlooks his own flaws, and straight up acknowledges that part of the reason he wants this is to take it from Angel; makes Spike a worse person than Angel in my eyes even though it feels like the episode wants us to think 'look at these two equally heroic characters'.
James Smith
2025-10-22 20:49:46 +0000 UTCI love a good fight/dramatic conversation combo.
Preaching to the Horse's Mouth
2025-10-22 19:06:55 +0000 UTCHonestly I think if this show had been made more recently, they would've had the guts to go all the way with Angelus and Spike.
Jorgalorg
2025-10-22 18:58:39 +0000 UTCI'm not sure it's face blindness you have, but hair confusion. It's like when Anya was changing her hair a lot on Buffy before really becoming a main, you thought she was a new girl every single time and it was hilarious. And here, Lindsey has real long hair and to be fair, we're more used to seeing him in a suit and he's aged a bit. Makes sense why Lilah wouldn't be in Eve's position; Lilah and Lindsey would never team up, they hated each other. So plotwise, it had to be Eve. There's also the Buffy/Spike thing that does stand out to me as feeling the hand of the writer. With everything we know, Spike would start heading for Buffy the very second he became corporeal and the fact that he takes even a pause stands out as strange and out-of-character. Oh and he was going to Europe because that's where Buffy is now, roaming the lands finding new slayers.
Jorgalorg
2025-10-22 18:57:15 +0000 UTCGirl YES you're supposed to know it's Lindsey. your face blindness has me dead.
Jason Harrelson
2025-10-22 17:50:56 +0000 UTCI knew the face blindness would strike at the end lol 😆 Glad you looked it up :) You were definitely picking up the homoerotic undertones the writers intended in the first scene. There's even a brief flash of what looks like jealousy on Angelus' face when Willy talks about leaving him to go find Dru - is it a coincidence that Angelus then decides to twist the knife by going and having sex with her? I don't think so The lack of Wesley is actually because Alexis Denisof and Alyson Hannigan were getting married at the time of filming this episode ❤️ It's the only episode he hadn't been in since his debut in 1x10 When Spike said he was leaving for Europe, he meant he was going to see Buffy: Angel told him in the second episode that's where she last was as far as he knew. The fight between Angel and Spike is one of the highlights of the season for me. Both sides have good points, but I'm on Angel's side. We've seen how disheartened he's been all season so far; this is just another symptom. Spike may be a champion now, but he still has some work to do before he's a true hero without any selfish motives in my opinion
Jordan McLaren
2025-10-22 16:25:30 +0000 UTC
