Ethics, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S5Ep16
Added 2022-04-19 17:00:05 +0000 UTCTW: For those who have seen the episode know this but for those who haven't this episode discusses and deals heavily on the topic of suicide. There is also a longer discussion at the end of this episode between the gals that also deals heavily in discussion of suicide.
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PAULA DEMING
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Comments
With my seizures comes a lot of depression, my mom has said she's surprised I haven't left, and wouldn't blame me for ending. But I've got a niece and nephew to live for. Just as Worf had Alexander to live for.
Dan Williams
2023-11-21 23:30:14 +0000 UTCSigh. As usual, glad to be here, can't speak on the topic at the moment due to my own state but I just love you two!
Terry Mitchell
2023-10-22 06:27:26 +0000 UTCTalking about how how Trek always succeeds with just x time remaining...they should watch Galaxy Quest. And as so happens with this channel, your perspectives cause me to reevaluate an episode I (and many others) considered a joke. This episode is much better than I'd given it credit for.
JXTN
2022-04-27 09:11:55 +0000 UTCIf Worf grew up on Qo'noS, he would have done the ritual because that's what Klingons do. They follow their rights and religious beliefs. Klingons beliefs are a big deal to them. So, I don't agree with your assessment that this ritual wouldn't be a big deal if Worf grew up on Qo'noS. It's normal for them but it's still a big deal. I do understand that Worf try's to be the best Klingon he can be because he didn't grow up on his home planet. In this case, I don't think it applies because of his situation.
Desmond Griffin
2022-04-23 22:22:24 +0000 UTCJust to note loneliness is the aspect of death I associate with. I lack the feelings and emotions to establish an actual relationship with, I lack the ability to let people come close, because when people come close to me they die. It's as if I'm radioactive, I'm like the living embodiment of destruction. So for the most part I avoid forming connections at all.
DarkAshtar
2022-04-20 06:46:23 +0000 UTCAccording to Pottermore my patronus would be a a crow, but from my own nature I'd think my spirit self relates most closely to a polar bear as far as a mammal goes but in the reptile area most likely some form of tortoise I took several what reptile are you quizzes and almost every one said variations of tortoises, except for a basic one that simply said snake. In both I see my solitary nature so I think either one could be my familiar/power animal. As far as what's realistic to me it would be some sort of canid, I love canids and they seem to instinctually love me, but I imagine part of that is I don't really view them as pets, but as friends.
DarkAshtar
2022-04-20 05:52:09 +0000 UTCI think I had a bigger reaction to Kat's reaction to the episode than the actual episode, since none of the episode really impacted me like that, except for Dr. Crusher's disdain for her colleague's cavalier approach to medicine.
Chrissonator
2022-04-20 05:20:21 +0000 UTCThey did a very similar thing with Spock in an episode of TOS. It looks like he'll be disabled for life, they wring a couple of minutes of pathos out of it, and then Spock discovers a previously unknown Vulcan ability that allows him to recover. In those kinds of scenes, I'm not feeling the relief of the characters, I'm seeing the hands of the writers pulling something out of their asses. I'm glad you and others got something out of that Worf scene, but I just think there are more elegant ways of doing something like that.
Dan Crucy
2022-04-20 03:37:36 +0000 UTCThat's just how television was in those days, outside of soap operas. With on-demand streaming these days, it's much easier for shows to fully embrace serial storytelling. Hell, when TNG was on the air, season box-sets weren't even much of a thing. They really didn't catch on until DVD were a thing several years after the show ended. It just wasn't reasonable for writers to expect that the audience had seen the previous episodes. I think Buffy was the first big show that I remember that really embraced serial storytelling outside of soaps. Also, with those big season-long arcs. And that show started several years after TNG ended.
Robert C
2022-04-20 03:21:46 +0000 UTCTo be fair, I don't think that the episode portrays Worf's ablism in a positive light. While it is established that his beliefs should be respected, everybody other than Worf seems to think that is a pretty poor world-view.
Robert C
2022-04-20 03:12:22 +0000 UTCWeirdly, I think my favorite scene was the one where Riker and Picard and trying to just do their daily business while waiting to hear about the results of the operation. That's the one that's the most true to my own experience. I've never had to have such a procedure myself, but my loved ones have and that's exactly how it feels. Life doesn't stop and you try to just carry on like everything is normal, but you're just going through the motions because there's only one thing you really care about.
Robert C
2022-04-20 03:09:16 +0000 UTCI can see what you mean but I also see that it has another meaning. The death shows Dr. Crusher’s worst fear coming to light. Losing a patient to a procedure that needed more research. This shows the difference between the two doctors. And while the death was manipulative it gave us initially the feeling of loss we needed to have losing Worf to a bad researcher. Dr. Crusher knew this wasn’t going to work and it really didn’t( except for lucky plot armor.)
Lamar Bradford
2022-04-20 01:41:18 +0000 UTCYou all went over the issues raised in this episode pretty thoroughly. I’ll just say, as a disabled person, it pained me to hear Worf referring to himself as a “burden,” a “half-Klingon machine” and an object of “pity or shame.” I spent decades internalizing that type of ableism, and it poisoned my soul. I looked at myself as a “normal” person trapped and hidden by my disability. It was only in the last year or so I finally dug myself out of that hole and decided that anyone who looks at me or any other disabled person as subhuman can go fuck their ableist selves. I think, although Worf decided against going through with the ritual, he still made his choice with the belief that life with some mobility wouldn’t have been worth living. Remember that the experimental surgery had a relatively low chance of success. He went into it knowing that he probably wouldn’t survive and that his son would probably be orphaned. He wouldn’t even consider the safe option. Not being worthless in the eyes of an ableist society was more important to Worf than being there to raise and love his son. That, in a nutshell, is the sway internalized ableism can have over someone. On a lighter note, I’m liking Paula and Katrina’s matching glasses. Very stylish.
Matthew Zeidman
2022-04-20 01:34:02 +0000 UTCI'm up for experimental medicine once regular treatment has failed. I can understand euthanasia for the terminally ill. I was put in the my mom was on a ventilator at age 19, thankfully it wasn't my decision to make. But I had to watch the results and it still crushes me to this day over 20 years later. As for suicide, my father killed himself when I was 5, it really affected me, I've attempted suicide a few times myself, fortunately my body is surprisingly resilient. Although I'm still depressed I wouldn't want to hurt those I care about. So now I guess I'm committing suicide the long way around by being a smoker though in all honesty I'm a pretty light smoker and I make my own cigarettes using pipe tobacco which has less chemicals and is much cheaper.
DarkAshtar
2022-04-20 01:02:02 +0000 UTCWell next weeks episode will be....interesting.
Mike
2022-04-20 00:59:47 +0000 UTCTheres something to be said for episodic TV but that damn "re-set" button sucks to high heaven. In many many ways DS9 was a superior show. Especially how it dealt with lasting repercussions from life-changing injuries.
Sal Sanchez
2022-04-20 00:44:15 +0000 UTCI feel like Riker's stance is understandable though, as much as Worf doesn't want to live like a burden and can't go on with life in that state, he's essentially shifting the burden of choosing suicide onto Riker, who is equally unwilling to live with such a choice. It's a lot to ask of someone, especially a friend who is against the idea.
Adam Brown
2022-04-20 00:39:42 +0000 UTCI sent her The Doll's House as a gift, she seemed open to the idea. I'm waiting to hear her thoughts on the The Sandman before sending more. I sent The Doll's House first because it's a better introduction than Preludes and Noctrunes. If she likes The Doll's House I'll send send her Preludes and Noctrunes next.
DarkAshtar
2022-04-20 00:18:33 +0000 UTCWhat a heavy topic for my birthday. I'm still not 100% sure I should've just posted what the episode was about, but given the actual breadth and length of the conversation that happened which maybe would've been a bit more difficult if the subject matter just came out of nowhere, I think it was the right call, maybe? Eh, besides, the trailers for the episode pretty much spelled out what the episode was about, so I didn't do any more than the show itself did.
Nolan
2022-04-19 23:48:28 +0000 UTCFor me, that fakeout death at the end almost ruins what is otherwise a very well done episode. It's emotionally manipulative in the worst way, while the rest of the episode was written very well.
Dan Crucy
2022-04-19 23:34:06 +0000 UTCAlso, we love you Katrina, keep being you!
Chris Lane- Venturi 3D
2022-04-19 23:19:32 +0000 UTCthe actress reminds me of Kate McKinnon playing Hillary Clinton on SNL. EDIT: saw it was mentioned in the episode, now that I posted too soon, lol
Chris Lane- Venturi 3D
2022-04-19 22:16:01 +0000 UTCLook up the case of Terri Schiavo and the way the govt. handled it. Still makes me sick.
Mark Ten
2022-04-19 19:36:50 +0000 UTCThis eps still makes me very upset for a variety of reasons. But the one that was handled with the least concern and sensitivity was that (for dramatic effect only) they actually pronounce Worf dead and then tell his son that his father died on the operating table. I can imagine Dr Crusher's report to Starfleet. "... The patient died, then he got better. Whoopsy" There's plenty of malpractice to go around.
Mark Ten
2022-04-19 19:20:12 +0000 UTCI probably should not say this but this subject matter is very...close to me, although my POV is very different then what was shown here. But when Worf was talking about refusing to live as object of burden and charity, I don't think anyone who is not majorly disabled can comprehend the horrific weight that is on our minds. That's why Riker's response bugged me, the choice had nothing to do with how Riker felt, all that mattered was Worf couldn't live like that no matter what Riker's feelings about the matter was.
Mike
2022-04-19 18:23:46 +0000 UTCI want to see Katrina cosplay as Death of The Endless.
Adam Brown
2022-04-19 18:09:28 +0000 UTCI didn't see this episode until much later than I saw most, but I really do love it.
Arek Schneyer
2022-04-19 17:56:18 +0000 UTC
