The Icarus Factor, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S2Ep14
Added 2020-07-21 17:00:04 +0000 UTCThe Gallifrey Gals are back with this week's Episode of Get Warped! Paula is sharing her love of all things Trek with Katrina who has never seen Star Trek: TNG! Today's episode they watched Episode 14 of Season 2!
https://vimeo.com/807299371/e66c34ca37
PAULA DEMING
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KATRINA ALYSHA
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Intro Song by: Pixel Pig by Di Young https://youtu.be/TiC7_167hQ0
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Comments
Among other things, an episode that humanises Pulaski. A great character we should have seen more of instead of the foppish Beverly Crusher.
Troy Convers
2024-04-07 22:20:20 +0000 UTCI can't unsee, even after all these years, that Will Riker with that anbo-jyutsu visor up, just looks like a big red bunny rabbit!
Josef Schiltz
2023-12-22 18:52:59 +0000 UTCToxic masculinity is the standard for male interaction in the US. We live eat and breathe it. My father was so toxic I refuse to even talk to him anymore. After I left home he had another son and managed to totally destroy my younger brother's self-confidence. I'm glad that discussions are coming out in the mainstream about this issue, because males seem to have some impediment to openly discussing with each other. Being in the LGBT community I see this constantly, in nearly all males from their family background. Thankfully not with each other as much though.
Mr Kitty
2021-09-28 20:31:50 +0000 UTCOMG seriously. I tweeted JK Rowling a graphic about Trans folks having a higher suicide rate and she blocked me! WTF? - Anyway, onto the episode, you made me lol with the "It is the Enterprise, he could have been body snatched"! and "I know her too, but we don't do that!" The dynamic of emotion between Dianna & Ryker is getting more intimate, that was emotional. And Katrina's expression watching the Rite of Ascension! And btw, thanks for discussing toxic masculinity. Its a difficult concept but one that needs to be in the open. Closing with the Cats of Trek! Love your cats in the episodes!
Mr Kitty
2021-09-28 20:23:21 +0000 UTCI don't think the Riker father/son dynamic is necessarily "toxic masculinity". Sometimes it's hard to relate to your son, even though you would do anything for him...literally give your life to save him. It's not masculinity or pride...well, not always. Maybe it comes from their insecurities & uncertainties. It's easy to attach a current buzz word when in fact the truth is far more complex. The fact that Riker's father is trying to reach out should count for something. I was astonished when my first son was born that the hospital was just going to let us take him home and assume my wife and I knew what we were doing. Life (especially being a parent) doesn't come with an owner's manual. We all make plenty of mistakes. The important part is to learn and improve. Yeah, you can say that Riker's father took his own sweet time in changing, but he also must have done something right in raising his son alone to become the first officer of the Enterprise.
T J
2021-08-07 06:50:18 +0000 UTCI'm glad you're here for the ride!! - Kat
Time Lord
2020-07-26 08:08:43 +0000 UTCDoing well and still loving this show and along for the ride. Even through the tough moments! -Kat
Time Lord
2020-07-26 08:05:03 +0000 UTCI definitely empathize with that. But it really was a wonderful episode! -Kat
Time Lord
2020-07-26 08:02:53 +0000 UTCWhaaaaa?! 😱 That's wild! -Kat
Time Lord
2020-07-26 08:00:17 +0000 UTCSo happy to share those moments with all of you! - Kat
Time Lord
2020-07-26 07:59:37 +0000 UTCI loved loved LOVED the discussion afterwards. One of the MANY reasons I'm patron!
Firefly24601
2020-07-26 03:45:17 +0000 UTCoh she for sure is! yay!! -Paula
Time Lord
2020-07-25 21:42:41 +0000 UTC<3
Time Lord
2020-07-25 21:39:27 +0000 UTChehe well thanks for sticking around ;) -Paula
Time Lord
2020-07-25 21:38:53 +0000 UTCYES. Chosen Family is so special. We don't *have* to keep people in our lives just because we share DNA. That's not a good enough reason. At least, not to me. This is something I've been thinking about more and more over the last couple of years. -Paula
Time Lord
2020-07-25 21:36:45 +0000 UTChahaha -Paula
Time Lord
2020-07-25 21:35:17 +0000 UTCWhile I'm fairly confident Riker doesn't list his father as next of kin, Kyle Riker will be mentioned as Will's father in his medical records. Which Pulaski would have noticed when she reviewed the command staffs medical history when she came on board as the ships CMO.
Colin 3of5
2020-07-25 13:26:33 +0000 UTCGood stuff, great ep, great react. Funny about Pulaski and Riker having never brought it up. Maybe people are just a little more chill in the 24th century, and there are orders of magnitude many more humans, but never asking if Will and Kyle are related, silliness. I could totally see Mr. Riker not mentioning Will's existence, so there's that, but Pulaski, you meet Will and never ask? Will brought him up in the last episode and Pulaski was in the room. Couldn't imagine it maybe.
Kenneth
2020-07-24 00:38:23 +0000 UTCI so love you girls and how you talk about these episodes and how Katrina is embracing TNG it warms my heart that you are invested. Dare I say that our miss Katrina is or will be a Trekkie. :)
Christine Ester
2020-07-23 19:54:54 +0000 UTCI'm right there with you Paula, Picard is my favorite Captain hands down.
Christine Ester
2020-07-23 19:27:31 +0000 UTCIt's kind of funny how only like 5 episodes ago, Riker's telling a Klingon "But, he's your father!" And then we find that Riker hasn't talked to his own dad for years.
Robert Williams
2020-07-22 17:14:21 +0000 UTCI love this show the most, purely because the first officer of the Aires was named Flaherty. :) My name almost never shows up on TV.
Craig O'Flaherty
2020-07-22 13:22:45 +0000 UTCExcellent point! We view one form of masculinity as "toxic" and the other as appropriate solely based on cultural context. But there is a big difference as well. The masculinity displayed by the Rikers was an effort to and result of suppressing their feelings. The Klingon display of masculinity, while it involves violence, is for the purpose of letting one's guard down and showing their feelings - allowing themselves to be vulnerable.
John
2020-07-22 12:53:47 +0000 UTCThat's one of Star Trek's strengths and one of Gene Roddenberry's original goals - to be able to address societal issues in a way that doesn't confront the viewer. Rather than bang the viewer on the head with a moral narrative, they show characters struggling with the issues and you'll rarely find a character that doesn't have some weakness in themselves they have to deal with. It makes the message relatable and understandable without feeling confrontational. It actually brings people in rather than pushing them away, which is something social dialog needs.
John
2020-07-22 12:49:11 +0000 UTCThere is an important parallel drawn between masculinity and Klingon culture that I think is being missed. The abuse on Worf is accepted as long as it's distant from our own society, but once it becomes near to human males it suddenly becomes intolerable. I don't disagree with your overall observations about human emotions but I think there is more to this story than simple male patriarchy. I say this because there is a clear parallel similarity between Worf's test and Riker's test. What is the tie? I love this channel and the subject matter you guys bring to the conversation is important. KEEP IT UP! YOU GUYS ARE SIMPLY GREAT!!
PIG
2020-07-22 10:09:29 +0000 UTCIt's episodes like these that really show that these characters are people, and not just jobs (like on the original series). The continuing development of the crew is great. I especially love the depth of story that is given to Worf. I look forward to seeing them grow more as the seasons go by.
Jared Abrahamson
2020-07-22 08:34:57 +0000 UTCAs a man who was emotionally and physically abused by his dad, this episode is ... familiar? Like it doesnt hurt anymore, I worked through it on my own long ago, but the emotions and the behaviors ring very true to life. Kat, I absolutely empathize with you on this one, and thank you for your very honest and heartfelt reaction to it. Toxic masculinity wounds us all, and it's a good conversation to have. Star Trek is a very timely show.
Jonny Moonsliver
2020-07-22 05:53:37 +0000 UTCwoohoo, more cat content! lol. The humor in this episode was better than I remember...overall episode better than I remember as well
Chris Lane- Venturi 3D
2020-07-22 02:35:40 +0000 UTCSome of us try hard to be good fathers! Mind you,being British it can be difficult to display emotion sometimes - fortunately,my wife is Mediterranean;so she more than makes up for it :D This episode is underrated and often overlooked - but it's one of my favourites from this season. Like you,I originally watched these in chronological order;and it was Measure of a Man and Icarus Factor that convinced me that TNG was a superior show to TOS (much as i have a fondness for the latter). It's a brave TV sci-fi/action show that can devote entire episodes to nothing more than the personal issues of its characters. There is really no A-plot in this story;and,though some may find that a weakness,I think it's proof of how brave TNG had become;and how much it had grown as a series. It's also,imo,a hugely influential episode;as it showed how the characters themselves can drive the series forward just as much as high-concept storytelling.
Ian Smith
2020-07-22 00:58:07 +0000 UTCThat was a good episode. Not one I relay paid attention to first time round I remember it but I guess I was too young and I was going through the bed father stuff. It’s not till watching it now did it actually hit me. My father was distant, he left my mum and had a lot of hang ups which would become my hang ups it took me a long time to find closure. Usually ( as I’ve said in the past ) I’m a sadist for the tears and I love to have a good cry with you girls as well, this time felt a little too personal and I hope Katrina is ok. Thanks for a great reaction
Steven morgan
2020-07-21 23:43:02 +0000 UTCMost certainly. This is them realizing the McCoy angle isn’t working and trying to shift gears for her character. She gets to show off some solid acting chops too in the scene with Will. I really felt for her there.
Anthony Wickizer
2020-07-21 23:33:07 +0000 UTCIs it just me or did they try to soften Pulaski in the last few episodes? In this it was the out of the blue relationship with Riker's father. Trying to give her more connection within the gang. It was pretty much an uphill battle in replacing McFadden as Crusher, but they didn't to themselves any favors making Pulaski too much a carbon copy of McCoy.
Bruce Bromley
2020-07-21 23:13:20 +0000 UTCGood episode. It was hard to watch how much parts of this episode distressed Katrina. It was clearly a hard watch, so well done for getting through it. To paraphrase one of my favourite long distance travelers, Brave heart Katrina, Brave heart.
Steve
2020-07-21 22:46:58 +0000 UTCI'm in the UK,and it's playing fine for me. Hope you get it working.
Ian Smith
2020-07-21 20:29:01 +0000 UTCIs anyone else here streaming from inside the UK? Only asking because the link takes me to the watch.wave.video site but then I just get a white screen within the video frame stuck in a perpetual "loading" swirl. Stayed like that with no progress for 30 minutes before I gave up, and same happened when I tried again. I just want to check whether or not there might be issues with accessing the site from the UK before I investigate other causes. Edit: Same thing is happening for the other wave videos from the last few weeks, and the wave site doesn't give a download option to circumvent the issue. Anyone got any thoughts? If it helps, I'm running Chrome Version 84.0.4147.89 64-bit and have never had issues downloading or streaming from the site before (although I can't say how recent the switch to using the wave site for streaming was).
Peter Wearne
2020-07-21 20:12:52 +0000 UTCI'm right there with you on the show being so relatable. Some themes are timeless. I remember watching the show when it first aired, but now with more life experience I can really relate to so much of the story. I'm old enough now to relate to both Will and Kyle Riker's point of view. I can get where they're both coming from. Another show that did that some was Babylon 5. There was one scene from that show that as a young man sounded cliche, but now... now I get it. A boy saw his father crying and asked him what's wrong, and his father replied, "My shoes are too tight. But it doesn't matter, because I have forgotten how to dance."
John
2020-07-21 19:33:50 +0000 UTCI so identify with Riker in this episode! Both of my parents aren't exactly the best, shall we say. Many parts of this episode is triggering for me, however, this episode is still so good!
Amy Chlebus
2020-07-21 19:28:28 +0000 UTCI don't agree with that patriarchy/ toxic masculinity stuff, but that does not mean I'd cancel my sub. That's not what starfleet is about. ;)
Crow T. German Robot
2020-07-21 19:28:21 +0000 UTCIf you didn't already know, there is a full Klingon language. Pretty much every time you hear Klingon spoken, it's the actual language not just gibberish that sounds good. There are online classes you can take to learn conversational Klingon. At one time Duke University offered Klingon as one of their foreign language classes.
John
2020-07-21 19:26:11 +0000 UTCI agree. Riker gets a lot of flack because they set him up in season one to be the up-and-coming hotshot eager to have his own command, and then he stays. Being first officer of the flagship is a better position generally than commanding a lesser ship, and unless the ship he's offered is a nice one, it's not worth leaving a prestigious position. Plus, Troi's on the Enterprise, and I don't think he wanted to make the same mistake (again) that his father did when he chose his career over love. On the Enterprise, Riker has the best of both worlds...no pun intended.
trylikeafool
2020-07-21 19:19:58 +0000 UTCAs a Riker fan I enjoy this episode because it reveals more of his backstory. But I do think the little wrap-up at the end is too unrealistic. As you said, it's a TV show. At least they left some tension there, so it's not like everything's okay now. Enjoyed seeing Katrina's reaction, even if part of this was triggering!
trylikeafool
2020-07-21 19:15:53 +0000 UTCYou gals help me get in touch with my own emotions!! Thank you for that :-)
Daniel Gauvreau
2020-07-21 19:05:28 +0000 UTCI think Riker made the right decision. It sounds like becoming the captain of that other ship would have been a downgrade for his career, and probably a permanent one. Being a captain in Starfleet doesn't strike me as the kind of thing where you can just get yourself assigned to a bigger and better starship once you've gotten tired of the ship you're on. When you become the captain of a starship, that's YOUR ship and YOUR crew. You're not going anywhere unless your ship is lost (an example being Picard losing the Stargazer), Starfleet Command assigns you to another ship, you're promoted to admiral, or you decide to retire. So if Riker had taken that promotion, my guess is that he would have been the captain of that ship until he either decided to retire or was promoted to admiral. Much better to stay on the Enterprise and wait for a more desirable command opportunity down the road. How great was Counselor Troi in this episode? She called Riker's father on his ego and never backed down. The B-plot with Worf was really nice. It's completely understandable that Worf would feel isolated on a ship where he's the only Klingon. It was great to see that his colleagues were willing to go the extra mile to make him feel better. And I love the way that Geordi declared without hesitation that they were Worf's family.
Jeff Seely
2020-07-21 18:38:21 +0000 UTCOh by the way my cat leads me by several hundred points
Colin 3of5
2020-07-21 18:32:05 +0000 UTCI loved the conversation you both had afterwards. I even enjoyed what kitty had to say. A lot of your points hit home for me, having a strict English/New Zealand upbringing where children were expected to be seen but not heard, and tears at a young age were the subject of ridicule at best, or "I'll give you something to really cry about" at worst. These days I have decided that Family does not always have to be blood relations, and I surround myself with a new kind of family of my choosing. (which mainly consists of small furry animals)
Malcolm Wolf
2020-07-21 18:25:01 +0000 UTCCat 1 Kat 0
Colin 3of5
2020-07-21 18:13:18 +0000 UTCOh Katrina I'm sorry that you had a personal experience so affecting. I sort of had the same experience with an ex-girlfriend. I expressed my feelings for her (after the early months of just wild fun) and apparently mistakenly used the L word, and she grew distant and within a few weeks it was over. :(
Jarrod Wild
2020-07-21 18:06:37 +0000 UTCIs it a requirement of 1st officers of the Enterprise to have "Complicated" relations with their father.
Colin 3of5
2020-07-21 17:28:19 +0000 UTC
