EARLY ACCESS Frieren Episode 25 Reaction
Added 2024-04-11 15:30:30 +0000 UTC
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They'll never read this (unfortunately) and I doubt they'd be affected by it if they did (they're both clearly very "hard-headed") but I just want you to know that this was an extremely well-written comment and I appreciate you writing it.
The Great Santini
2024-04-24 08:28:37 +0000 UTCYes. The fact the vulnerability didn't play into it, the fact the story basically lied about the final blow for zero reason, and the fact that "either the demon king, or a human mage" just did not matter at all.
Marcus Johansson
2024-04-12 08:30:56 +0000 UTCI'm watching another reaction that is doing the dub, so I will keep an ear out for it when they get to this part.
Woodsie89
2024-04-12 06:18:07 +0000 UTCI think they will be a bit hung up on how the "Fatal Vulnerability" that was established this episode isn't played on more in the fight, but I think they will like the side characters' bits, the Ubel backstory, and the rest of the Frieren fight.
Trencha
2024-04-12 01:28:04 +0000 UTCAnyone that hasn't seen the English dub of this episode, it is 100% worth watching just to hear how the VA says the crazy spell names.
Justin_IVIX
2024-04-12 01:12:50 +0000 UTCFrieren HAS lost to other mages eleven times in her life. We have no reason to suspect that her vulnerability was not exploited during these losses, so i don't really understand why we're implying that it hasn't played enough of a role in her life for the discussion. Also, since when did saying "Instead of X, I would have liked Y" become a valuable point of critique? Personally, I could prefer the color red, and think that the show would have been better if Frieren wore more red, but that's not a valid critique of the show, right? Saying that you would have liked another weakness to be the one exploited and that it would have been cool if it were intrinsically tied to her connection with Fern are genuinely things that could have improved the narrative, but I have zero understanding for why it's causing you to sit with your arms crossed throughout half the episode. I just don't get it. "I think I misjudged Serie." Yes. Yes, you did. Not only her, though. It's actually a theme for most of the cast that's been introduced since the tests began. In and of itself, that's part of the course for any reaction. Completely reasonable and to be expected. What's annoying is that you spend significant portions of discussions more or less ruthlessly shitting on characters for not being fully fleshed out within the span of a single episode, at which point you either deem them wholefully lacking in substantiative depth or assume lazy, one-dimensional wishwash in line with blasΓ© tropes, both of which would be unbecoming of Frieren as an anime. On top of that, it's made even worse by the fact that once these characters have been given a reasonable window of exploration for, say, more than a single episode(!), you start opening up to them, yet you never address the rushed presumption of bad made previously. An apology tour would be an entitled and gross expectation to have, but you could at least acknowledge that you've been unreasonable in your expectations and critique of the show, which would also imply that you're not only looking for reasons to shit on it. Also, and you basically touched on this already, but a thousand years passed between Flamme and the party. If she were more 'open' or 'friendly' than at the beginning of the show, then I think 1,000 years would be a reasonable explanation for why. Not too far-fetched, I think. That being said, I don't agree that she seemed that different to begin with. I don't think she ever showed any significant 'coldness' towards anyone that would go against the Frieren being showcased during the era of Flamme. It was always obvious she valued them. Personally, it felt like the only thing she did not value was the passage of time. You don't really see her show any mourning for Flamme, but you do with her and the party. Essentially, I don't agree with the characterization of Frieren going from warm - cold - warm, and I definitely do not agree with a logical conclusion from it being that it takes away from her development as a character since the beginning of the show. My two, or twenty, mildly triggered cents to add to the pie. I still love the Broskies. I just wish they gave this story the goodwill I think it deserves, for the sake of both their enjoyment and ours.
Marcus Johansson
2024-04-11 22:51:44 +0000 UTCI bet they will dislike next week's episode. This episode had a nice build up and payoff with setting up Fern as the human mage to kill Frieren. It's a bit of a whiplash next episode where the "cliffhanger" is unresolved and all of a sudden the fight resumes as if nothing from last episode happened.
Ivan O
2024-04-11 19:02:06 +0000 UTCI think Fernβs exposition in this episode is better it makes sense others would ask βhow would you do that Fern?β Plus the other side of the exposition was to build up the general stakes of how to solve the dungeon and the general plan for everyone.
Andres Lozano
2024-04-11 18:36:15 +0000 UTCConsidering that Himmel loved conquering dungeons, it seems reasonable that Frieren actually is the mage of the party that conquered the most dungeons of all.
Jan Pettersson
2024-04-11 17:39:56 +0000 UTCthe whole first class mage test, plus the privledge FEELS like, and i could very well be wrong here. But it feels like a CULLING to me. Frieren has commented many times over the show about how "there used to be so many more mages" and "now you rarely see them outside magic cities"...so after this episode it felt to me like Seire was trying to shrink the amount of magic in the human world.
MasterAries7
2024-04-11 17:37:13 +0000 UTCGoing to be honest, I expected them to dislike this episode because of all the planning and exposition and how it kind of just forgets for a while that Fern said she can kill Frieren. And they did mention that was a point of annoyance. But they seemed to like the exposition and especially the Serie flashback enough to set that aside. They seem to think the fight is over, though. I wonder how they'll react next time when the show goes "Sike! Did you really think a Frieren clone would be that easy to beat?"
Trencha
2024-04-11 16:22:10 +0000 UTC
