October 31 Update

Unfortunately, I can't give a comprehensive response because I'm not familiar with those games. My intent isn't a high level of granularity in sexual encounters, but rather exploring a (sexual) narrative that's unique to each pairing. For all the jokes being made about sex tutorials, I meant the groundedness more as a background framework than as a goal. For example, if one partner got a mutation* that gives them tentacles, then part of their scenes will be dealing with this change, evolving from awkward efforts to integrate the new body part to mutually satisfying tentacle sex. I don't anticipate the choices during the sex scenes would be truly challenging to the player (neither through ambiguity nor checking a bunch of sex stats), but they could have significant flavor differences and hopefully lead to a more satisfying sense of integration. *In case anyone is thinking that this would be done procedurally, that's not what I mean. This isn't a game where anyone could randomly get that mutation, the tentacle couple would have unique scenes.

Sierra Lee

At a narrative level the only game I can think of which tackles the idea of actually learning how to be intimate with another person is Love of Magic. Not a favorite of mine, but it does take a serious approach to the main couple learning how to pleasure each other over time. At a mechanical level, there's a few games that let you choose how you have sex, but the most complex I know is Lilith's Throne, which actually lets you pick exact positions and actions over the course of sex, and the partners' preferences will impact the effectiveness of those acts, which in turn gives you an in-game resource. I would worry that having the details of sex being at the forefront could cause players to stop caring about it, ironically. There's a chance that you end up at a state where there's simply an optimal way to approach sex, which doesn't engage well IMO, or that having too much granularity in options makes sex too prosaic.

Hursha

Mmm I will give my grain of salt over here. It sounds good so I hope it starts well. One things I miss on "modern" games are the "mini-games" or the spicy that adds the game more variety and richness.For example: Breath of Fire 3-4 has a set of minigames like working on a sand port carrying boxes and the classic fish minigame.This mini-games makes your life easy on the main game.Also you can build a city of faeries. Breath of fire V doesn't have fish minigame for plot reasons, but you can build a city of faeries, and ants. FF has some type of minigames too, the card-game on FFIX is a so-so. The chocobo races and blitzball in FFX are great but Blitzball prizes are lame as fuck, so much potential wasted. I think the Suikoden games are the games with more variety and fair in prizes that I could think right now. Of all the Suikoden games I played the best was suikoden 2 for psone. It has : a fishing minigame, cooking duels where you can combine with "searching" recipes along the world, fire emblem "wanna be" mini game deply linked with the Main Plot. Even a "climb the mountain" minigame. All of this with the tipical "search of hidden items,recipes, books, seeds or cattle. Damn if the game had some type of "league" would be perfect , but it is by far a game with optional games that doesn't make you tired. Yakuza games are another type of games where you have a lot of minigames, but personally I dont like it much, the games is great and all but at the start of the game they bombard you with minigames, optional things, and you are like "mm ok" Another one that I remember is Dark Chronicle, it has minigolf game with fishing, and fish races. You can make photos and make inventions out of them.It is another game with minigames very well implemented. I am still searching games with a minigame that includes football or something like that.Adults games too! Well you get the idea. I miss that on the last sovereign, but it has a lot of complexity on his own and I can "build" kingdoms so I am happy. Still we need to have a "that conversation" delayed in the PM until you have more time or you are better. I leave this here and I am out. https://img.ifunny.co/images/5e57bb85a664b2c254881319eb18153ee1d066877b182046af747f64455bb89c_1.jpg Have a nice day!

BleBle

That will be a concern, to be sure. However, my intent is that sex scenes will not be grindable: you won't get +1 Strength for each scene, for example. Instead, you'll only receive benefits when a couple's scenes evolve in a significant way. This last part may be difficult, but ideally I'd like every successful sexual encounter to be meaningfully different.

Sierra Lee

Actually, this is lore. Politicans are a breed of toucan that feeds on political discourse.

Sierra Lee

Keeping balance between sex scenes being regular gameplay element and rewarding narrative may be very difficult. Making sex scenes too gameplay-ish can lead to such scenes being grindy and players thinking "meh, they are having sex again, I'll just click it through to get my stat points"

So we've got a typo alert from the forum Bugs thread. Old content too. In the Main Chamber map of the Council of Gawnfall (the one with the deliberations and votes), in event (004,000), there is a line of dialogue that reads: "I believe the Church of Ivala can address this integration in a meaningful way. We should lead on this matter, not follow after politicans." The last word should be "politicians". Screenshot link: https://imgur.com/tkWIvEr

DukeLeto7

Ah, yeah, those are flipped around. Good catch, thanks!

Sierra Lee

I don't know about that, but given where the bar is set...

Sierra Lee

This one wasn't on my radar. I've viewed the explanatory trailer and it looks like a more complex version of the sex combat model, unless that's deceptive. Is there anything particularly inventive you wanted to pull out from it?

Sierra Lee

I have played a significant portion of Daibanchou, actually. Up to a point where I started getting crashes in the middle of certain engagements, That is a comparable example, in that it uses certain base images in varied ways.

Sierra Lee

I hadn't noticed the deletion, as you don't get a notification for moderator actions. Welp, I tried. Just how much iteration there is will depend on how flexible I make the system and how frequently the player can engage with it. If the number of iterations is kept under control, I could potentially do entirely different text for each variation. But some of this will be in the making, not the planning.

Sierra Lee

Joking.

Sierra Lee

I can't remember what interview I read it in but someone once said "plenty of h-games can teach you how to have sex but nobody bothered to make a h-game that teaches people to have GOOD sex." sounds like something your game could work on.

Nathan Phoenix

One game that has really changed the way sex is integrated with the rest of the gameplay is Karryn's Prison. It's as far from TLS as a lewd game could be, but since you've made Noxian Nights as well I feel comfortable mentioning it here.

onodera

Great comic! I was amused XD As far at the iterative sex scene concept, that reminds me a lot of one of my favorite old h-games, Daibanchou: Big Bang Age. It's an old Alice Soft game that still holds up pretty well today imo (and it has a professional-quality fan translation). It doesn't have the gameplay element you suggest per se, but it has the iterative concept. Basically, as the protagonist's relationship with a heroine deepens (based on spending time together or special events), you unlock new or "improved" branches in their sex scene. These build on the previous iteration. So in their first sex scene you only get a very basic set of options. Next time, with a higher relationship, you might be able to try a new position for one part of the scene, or instead do a new version of the same one as last time. I'd also just highly suggest the game in general XD Actually it's mildly post-apocalyptical too, if not excessively so.

Lord Forte

Oh I just recently completed a full runthrough for fun and have a few bugs to report from slightly earlier sections, but I can hold those off until after the war event is done. However, I also have a potential new bug report for the Incubus Prison, unless what I found was intentional (but it strikes me as just a minor confusion, since it took quadruple checking to even make sure I was correct). In the Gentle Path, the enemies seem like they are stronger versions of the enemies we just faced in the previous section, and we are supposed to use the tactics we already learned. However, the Penitent Flameflies and Penitent Shards inflict the opposite type of damage as their weaker counterparts, with flameflies doing magical damage and shards doing physical, which can negate previously learned equipment loadouts and can add a bit more trial and error to the section. Hopefully that would be a pretty easy fix

Jeffrey Lebowski

The NFT and blockchain part made me burst out laughing. Good show. I love this comic. I'm glad it is on reddit so I can share it around! It looks like r/Tsunderes took it down though for being too lewd. Just FYI if you haven't seen that yet. I personally am intrigued by your post-apocalyptic setting / iterative sex scenes idea and shall look forward to it. I do agree that avoiding boredom due to repetition will be key. > In other news: ugh, October is over and the year is almost done. >_< I had this conversation with some people recently. I feel your pain here. All I can say is good luck finishing up everything!

Grim8P

The post Apoc setting sounds interesting!, I can't wait!

James

Well its to late in the game for it.

JJS

Hahahahaha the NFT thing really got me. Time to invest IncuCoin XD I remember you mentioning this comedic idea, I'm glad it could become a cute and funny comic Your game mechanic idea sounds super interesting! Seems like it could be complex mechanically and narratively but with a whole lot of potential for engagement and integrating sex into the core gameplay loop

Jeffrey Lebowski

So are you serious about this nft stuff or were you joking?

JJS