OUR RESPONSE
Added 2025-10-25 00:59:56 +0000 UTCJoin us on YouTube in 30 minutes for our response to Lauren’s 9 hour live and the chaos that followed. Thanks gems for the support you’ve shown us.
-Lauren and John
Comments
Virtuous Violence is very frighyening as it means that only those with a higher moral compass see violence as not an option and most people do not reach that level of moral actualization
Lisa Carroll
2025-11-08 03:38:04 +0000 UTCI just learned about Karpman’s drama triangle. Sounds exactly like what this woman is doing. Cause a problem, play the victim, act like she’s somehow a spokesperson for the “little” man (I.e. plays hero).
Rita Weltsch
2025-11-07 13:37:10 +0000 UTCUpon looking into this issue further, you may have gone a little too far. I’m out.
Peggy M
2025-11-04 14:15:47 +0000 UTCI was thinking that this awful experience might add some context to the Blake Lively situation discussed early this year. The tsunami of hate being directed at a person's and no clear idea of where it is coming from (other than the willingness of the world to look for any opportunity to hate on successful, attractive, and outspoken women). Then, finding out a PR smear firm has been brought on to destroy your career. It's truly awful. With this terrible experience your family has been forced to deal with, I thought might bring a different perspective to the discussion from early this year. Also, with the truly profound family losses Lauren has had, the cruelty of magnifying comments expressed privately during times of extreme duress suggests a serious lack of understanding of pain and the human condition from those who are being critical. I'm glad you have built a network of thoughtful people to communicate with each other. Your trust comes from being trustworthy. Venting isn't imperfection. It's coping during trauma. All the best to you and yours.
Wendy Palms
2025-11-04 05:16:37 +0000 UTCYou goi Dr. John! I wonder how many of school peers she bullied! At one point Dr. John you brought tears to my eyes! Lauren hold your head high and never forget Dr. John and your Hidden Gems have your back!
Vanessa
2025-11-03 14:23:27 +0000 UTCAny new content on patreon o lyrics? I paid for a year
Dawns Delights Art
2025-11-03 04:15:46 +0000 UTCAlso, please do not take this message as me subtly saying “you asked for it” — I don’t believe that at all. I tried to be careful with my words. I understand completely why you responded the way you did and that would be my impulse as well. My message is more about just what I’ve learned as a wiser way to deal with people who are like this group of women. It seems counterintuitive but it has worked much better for me. I’m not really sure how it applies once things get this stirred up, though. It becomes a lot more difficult and if you need to take whatever legal actions necessary I fully support it. I had to send a cease and desist letter once to a woman who replied in a way that my lawyer deemed them “unpredictable and crazy.” He said I could sue for defamation and I had grounds but I might want to give a good think about whether my business success REQUIRED it or whether I would be able to go on without suing, because a suit with this type of person could go on for a long time and it could bring a lot more misery into my life. He said if it was an option for me to move on, he’d recommend it simply because she was clearly crazy and unpredictable. Take that for what it’s worth, if you feel it applies to your life at all…and maybe it doesn’t. It’s definitely not my place to say. Just sharing in case if helps.
Abby
2025-10-31 10:44:56 +0000 UTCLauren, I’m not really sure how my approach to people like these women applies when they cross over into a territory where their fixation on you is obsessive and/or doing serious tangible damage to your professional reputation (aka it may no longer apply?). That said, and forgive the “less-than-scientific-speak,” but I have personally found that at the VERY first sign of unhealthy behavior like what these women did—aka, somebody upset with me and sharing sob stories about what I’ve supposedly done to them and not interested in working things out with me—the only way I’ve had success in handling this type of situation is to immediately not give ANY energy to this person or people. I mean from the very beginning…in this case, that probably would have been from the moment the stalker confronted you at the courthouse, and with Lindsey, from the moment you heard she was badmouthing you after you fired her. I think some of the initial things you did to try to do “damage control” unfortunately gave them energy and fed their whole thing. I know that wasn’t your intention, and your reactions were valid, but I think it had the effect of feeding their vendetta against you. When people like this group of women (with some vindictive traits) feel hurt or injured by someone, they usually just want to make each other feel better by validating each other against the common enemy. If they have some antisocial traits they may stir some shit up like Lindsey did but if you don’t feed the monster their energy tends to die out quickly and they usually move on to something else even if they hold somewhat of a grudge. For example, the cease and desist letter to Lindsey sounds like a normal reasonable business thing (and it is), but in this case I think it just fed the bear and riled things up more—she did not take it as a “normal business thing” and neither did her friends (who have similar traits as her). Same with the few communications exchanged with your stalker (at the courthouse and afterward). I think they really riled her and the group up more than she/they already were (I mean you know those messages had to have been shared with everybody in that “friend” group somehow). Not giving them energy, for me, has looked like not responding defensively or with fear (from the VERY beginning) and also not giving them energy by spending time focusing on being hurt by them…I kinda just block them out the best I can and don’t even put much energy into that, because I swear they can feel the energy and feed on it if you spend energy purposely trying to ignore and avoid them. Anyway, I wholly support you, Lauren, and while I haven’t been in your shoes I know what it feels like to have things “like” what initially happened to you at the beginning of all of this happen to me. I’ve done like you did and I’ve done the “immediately don’t give them a lick of energy” thing, and the no energy thing has worked a lot better for me. No judgment, and I think your reactions have all been understandable (and of course once things got serious and became stalking I understand why I couldn’t be ignored). Just sharing what has helped me if it’s at all helpful for future situations. I’m so sorry for what you’ve been going through and are still going through and it breaks my heart this whole thing has gotten so big and people are being stupid and not compassionate. I’m glad a lot of people ARE supporting you ❤️ I hope your supporters will make the difference as you heal from this experience ❤️
Abby
2025-10-31 10:35:11 +0000 UTCThere are two sides to every story and I don’t disbelieve what you are saying. I don’t know the whole story. Honestly, I had a similar reaction to the 9 hour video; I found it to be overkill and redundant to the point that I wondered if this would backfire on her. This is one reason why I usually avoid social media at all costs. I hate it, and usually regret it when I do access it. I’m only interested in this because of the commonalities with my profession otherwise I wouldn’t be following it at all. In fact, after this I’m not sure it’s worth it. I’ve got better things to do with my time.
Steph
2025-10-31 07:26:57 +0000 UTCSteph, spare us the psychobabble. I'm upset with Lauren because I spent nine hours of my life listening to her story. I listened because I REALLY cared about her. That's nine hours of my life that I'll NEVER get back. She had us all by the heartstrings. She spent NINE hours telling us about the mean girls. Christina's TikToks are horrible. She's a nasty person. Contacting Lauren's business associates is horrible. Contacting Dr. John's employer is outrageous and going real life in any way is uncalled for. The problem that Lauren has today is because she unleashed the Streisand effect. Sharing her "story" backfired on her. Her video had an astonishing 428K views. I don't think that the ad revenue that she will receive from this video would be worth her turmoil. The backlash has been brutal, but warranted. People are coming out with stories about Lauren's mean girl behavior. There are too many people speaking out about Lauren's "mean girl" behavior not to believe that some of it is true. Lauren needs to take accountability for her actions. She needs to own her mistakes and apologize. That's the only way that she's going to get past this. Dr. John needs to put on his psychologist hat and get Lauren to admit and apologize for her mistakes. Dr. John needs to recognize and admit that this is a textbook case of the Streisand effect. I'm not concerned about Lauren's future and their YT audience leaving, and her losing revenue. She is a beautiful and very talented reporter. She will easily find a job with a local news station. I wish her the best. The 4k subs that she has lost is because she's pissing on our shoes and telling us it's raining.
Real Ification
2025-10-31 05:56:10 +0000 UTCI have practiced in a similar field as yours, Dr John. I was trained as an MFT. Now at 80 years I am still practicing. I still enjoy this work. This is a revolting and dangerous situation. This is a very enjoyable community that needs protection for the two of you and your precious son. our community has to remain strong against this “ take down” of Lauren. It is amazing how baseless accusations are getting any traction. this is reflecting our world at large! Heroes are emerging and you and Dr John are two of the heroes🦋🌈🌟💕✨🙏🏽🙏🏽
sally20
2025-10-30 01:34:55 +0000 UTCPlease keep us informed! I have found some of the horrible channels. I want to put in my opinion to anyone who will listen. Your platform is an excellent true crime program. This is because both of you are excellent presenters with HEART! I NEED to witness people who have empathy ! I want to relax with programs that have more than facts. Ethical, honest and wise. Thank you.
sally20
2025-10-30 01:26:07 +0000 UTCI wish someone would list the channels that are posting crap on Lauren. I have unsubscribed from several. I dont want to support them in any way.
Joyce Isenhour
2025-10-29 21:00:21 +0000 UTCGo John! Love the unpulled punches here -- viva rational granularity -- strip the garbage down to its essence -- I wish you both and Grayson and your family all the best!
playwrought
2025-10-29 18:33:07 +0000 UTCPlease someone tell me that Colby is not now engaging in this smear campaign.
Bonnie Hitchcock
2025-10-27 16:25:28 +0000 UTCThe judge was totally biased!
Bonnie Hitchcock
2025-10-27 03:55:11 +0000 UTC
