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The Vampire Diaries 4x4 (Early Access)

The Vampire Diaries 4x4 (Early Access)

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Klaus a great character who really shines this season and in The Originals, he’s complicated and yes, toxic. He is fun to watch. My favorite Klaus episodes are this season.

Heidi Louise

Being able to love and root for terrible people is one of the things that makes fiction great. Klaus is awful, objectively terrible. he’s also one of my favourite characters of all time. i think y’all’s reactions is the first time i’ve witnessed people who don’t love (or love to hate) klaus - but that’s another great part of fiction: not everyone will have the same opinions and reactions. that would be boring.

Fran

Same. Never liked him, never will. He's too petty and a complete cry baby.

Seelia

I already know you you guys will looove The Originals tv show 🔥

Dani

okay i respect that. i also just want to leave off by reminding you that even two episodes ago, elena refused to feed off of anyone which is why damon offered his wrist to her in the first place.

cece

We will agree to disagree at this point. We’re not getting anywhere. We have difference of opinion on why Elena feels guilty.

Amber Augustine

if that was the point, then why after that scene, her and damon have that talk and then stefan talks to rebekah about elena? as well as even elena her self expressing that what she was doing isn’t her (regardless of her being a vampire now)? how would bonnie be the cause of that if she already felt shameful before? before she even fed on anyone in fact. she would’ve felt shameful even if bonnie wasn’t there. the first guy, she didn’t really feel all that upset bc he was a genuinely bad guy who was trying to roofie someone. she just realized she got “too caught up” in it and that’s expected because she’s a new vampire with her morality aspect hanging over her head. what, do you want me to acknowledge that bonnie entering into the crowd of frat party goers ruined elenas fun after she located them? it’s much deeper than that.

cece

Like damon said she was having fun before Bonnie came. She was finally beginning to enjoy herself because of Damon. Please stop skirting around the point. She only feels shameful because of how Bonnie made her feel. Acknowledge that Bonnie had a part to play in elena feeling bad about herself.

Amber Augustine

she already felt shame before she saw bonnie. that wasn’t the point. the point in question is how is elena going to get through her vampirism when her achilles heel is love & compassion, which is by the way the complete opposite of the ways of a vampire. feeding is just a suck (ayo?) away from a kill, which elena does not want to do. you can get caught up in the feed as well, which is what stefan reminded her of.

cece

That is because of how Bonnie reacted to what she was doing that she felt shame. Bonnie is a part of Elena feeling guilty for who she is which is a vampire. That’s the point.

Amber Augustine

Lets goooo im early to a video FINALLY !!

KittyClemente

what you don’t also realize is that she does have people there supporting her. stefan is even supporting her and agreeing to let damon help her. elena is at war with herself because she does in fact know and understand what she’s doing, but as she basically expressed to damon, she doesn’t want to become like him, even if she did enjoy it in that moment. all bonnie did was snap elena out of the “trance”. hell, bonnie was even surprised herself😭

cece

Like i said, it’s because of the guilt and judgment she felt by watching Bonnie react to her drinking blood. Elena cares about what her loved ones thinks, and when they think something negative of her she becomes sad and depressed. Elena needs support in this delicate time, not scorn. At the end of the day, this is about Elena needing to feed on people without killing others which she has done around Damon.

Amber Augustine

Nah I’m a proud klaus hater. I mean he’s an iconic villain but a horrible person. I hate how he treats Rebekah.

dest

I love Delena so much. Damon makes her feel good about herself and helps her let loose, which is something Stefan has not been doing. Stefan has just been trying to "fix" Elena the whole time.

Kinley Phillips

bonnie does realize that, which is why she green lit the plan anyways as she said earlier in the ep, that it’s better she learns now than later when they might enter college. if we’re being technical, she actually didn’t really do… anything wrong lol. all she really did was voice her disdain for damon as well as her concern for her friend. also elena felt guilty even before the party; we saw that when she was about to feed from the blonde girl but then she saw a picture of her little sister. elena feels guilty regardless and we know this. just as stefan said, love and compassion is what drives her. elena herself even came to the realization that what she was doing wasn’t like her (even though she’s a vampire) and this is why she voiced to stefan that she doesn’t think things will get better as a vampire for her. its hard enough for humans, let alone witches to see vampires in their “natural habitat”; we kinda of saw that in s1 ep 19 where (human) elena & bonnie saw it first hand when stefan was off of his rockers at the fundraiser dance.

cece

Bonnie has to realize that Elena has to survive off of drinking blood. Sure she doesn’t have to like damon, but he is helping Elena feed without killing people. She won’t acknowledge that her friend is a vampire and that blood comes with that territory. It makes Elena feel guilty for doing something she needs to do. She may not like the vampire aspects, but it is what is necessary for Elena. Damon is doing everything he can to help her, and Bonnie’s judgment isn’t helping the situation. Like I said, Bonnie needs to stop being so harsh because he is helping her like he said to her at the start.

Amber Augustine

I feel so bad for Rebekah for being betrayed over and over again by Klaus. Every time she tries to find love, he does something to destroy it. She can never find peace because of her brother which sucks. She deserves better for sure.

Amber Augustine

This delena dance is one of the most iconic scenes in tvd. Every time I hear “feel so close.” It always takes me back to this delena scene. I love the way elena was able to let loose and be free of everyone’s expectations of her. She is actually having fun and Damon brings out that side of her that nobody else sees. The sexual tension between them was on another level during this moment.

Amber Augustine

pretty sure she was judging damon. damon was the one “influencing” her which is why she had a bone to pick with him and not her. and bonnies not entirely “okay” with vampires, she just tolerates some of them (damon & stefan) because they’re affiliated with elena, and elena is her best friend. she hates damon😭 her reaction isn’t surprising to say the least

cece

It’s sad because Elena felt guilty when bonnie was looking at them enjoying the feed. She was being judged by Bonnie and she can’t be able to embrace the vampire side of her because of that judgment. She was in control. All she did was feed and then compelled them to go away. Bonnie wouldn’t understand since she is a witch. Bonnie needs to come to terms and accept elena is a different person now. She is a vampire, and Damon was teaching her the healthy way to feed on others without killing them.

Amber Augustine

Stefan has to realize that Elena is not as fragile as he thinks she is. Caroline has killed before, but she came out the other side just fine. As long as Elena has a good support system, she won’t turn off her humanity if she kills someone.

Amber Augustine

The guy playing Shane is on this show called From that you should check out. People trapped in a town full of monsters.

Jim Carter

Igli’s dive into the psyche of Klaus is very interesting and probably accurate. Regarding Elena not being able to drink from any source other than the vein, we’ve seen Katherine drink from a blood bag without problem, and she is also a doppelgänger, so there has to be a different explanation.

Leeann Gouttiere


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