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You definitely hit the nail on the head when it comes to demographic culture playing into this, though. Back home in Chicagoland we have a sizeable Serb population, and I know plenty of guys who frequent my LGS only looking for Zastavas, as an example

Phil Block

I think when it comes to the collectors' orgs, there may just have to be a natural gap in participation between when, for lack of a better term, the fudds die out and when there are enough savvy youth to coalesce into something more than five dudes in a cigar lounge. There may again be a democratization of some of these collectibles when these estates get broken up; there are, after all, people with literal crates of Soviet weaponry that literally do nothing but sit in a basement. Legal and cultural barriers will prolong youth's exclusion from the gun scene unlike with other niche groups such as cars and music. Hopefully the next generations that take up the mantle can do a better job of expanding this culture in the future, but for now it's going to be an uphill battle.

Phil Block

*REALLY* looking forward to the show on 'awful' guns! X-D

Bruce Brodnax

Bonus: no mileage fees on their trailer rentals!

Bruce Brodnax

Actually, there were at least one & 1/2 that I can think of: VW's Vanagon came in a 4WD version [do NOT buy one, they're horrifically expensive to repair! Low production, and not well-sorted like all the vintage VDubs...] and iirc, Toyota's Previa was offered in a AWD version? (Sorry, not an expert on the Jelly Bean, but you can do a web search on your own time...) But of course, none of those options would be appealing in the American heartland, where furrin' cars are a huge PITA for parts & maintenance... ;-)

Bruce Brodnax

@C&Rsenal No.

Christopher James Henry

It would make it public but I suggest you do it. Release a week or two after u have it on Patreon. That way the Pat people hear it first but u get it out for the masses later. May help grow your brand.

Chris Marchi

No, I'm me. You're you....

Bill Gall

oh no, stop

C&Rsenal

I was actually there last year. A pleasant show but definitely not a lot of younger members.

C&Rsenal

every other week for now!

C&Rsenal

oof...

C&Rsenal

I'll be the one who is me.

C&Rsenal

We have used it on occasion but found handling it takes time and skill we do not have on hand. However, it is being used on some experimental series development stuff.

C&Rsenal

Our SCACA is about the same

C&Rsenal

We're trying to improve where we get time

C&Rsenal

Sadly minivans don't come with 4wd for when we get there and someone lends us a "range" to shoot on for the show.

C&Rsenal

More! But be prepared for them to have a million subscribers by the end of the year.

David Burnham

No clue sadly, that's a Patreon-proper email :(

C&Rsenal

aye

C&Rsenal

Nice, thanks!

C&Rsenal

True enough but I don't think people consider more than X% to be for salary. They likely expect the broad majority to be put to work.

C&Rsenal

Why did he buy them such awful cars?

C&Rsenal

Several. Sadly the last time I shared a rare I was looking for someone literally bought it so we could not borrow it.

C&Rsenal

Does this mean you want less of them or more?

C&Rsenal

eye

C&Rsenal

Yes, that is the day.

C&Rsenal

So, you said not to get too excited about a possible C&Rsenal terrible guns show, but I am already hyped beyond belief

Jordan Dotson

.... sorry fat fingers.. shows in Reno, and Cody WY, . We exhibit at NRA Convention, and are authorized by Winchester (Olin) . Great website too.

Winchester22lr

Check out the WACA , Winchester Arms Collector Association. I've been a member for over 5 years and go to the

Winchester22lr

I like the podcast. More please

Chris Marchi

Using the Opera browser on my phone, I can open the youtube video and let it play in the background. I still prefer the mp3s for the car, though. Thank you. :)

James McKenzie

Pig primer, or pig world. We have two of the little critter, we'll contribute

Ted Weldon

Crozier, Lewis and Hugo Diss Shitty Guns Rsenal!!

Christopher Dooley

Finished listening ~ You asked for input/stories on good/bad experiences with collector groups. I have a personal experience to share. I went to the higher end collector gun show in my local area a few years back. There was one item I was highly interested in, namely a "trapper model" 94 Winchester with a short barrel in the 14"-to-15" range. I politely asked if it's serial number was on the ATF grandfathered list or if the seller had documents to prove that it came from the factory originally as a short barrel trapper model pre-NFA and was thus eligible to be added to the grandfathered list. (For those that don't know, any U.S. manufactured SBR that came from the factory originally as an SBR and sold on the U.S. civilian market before the NFA was passed into law was eligible for grandfathering and can be owned as a non-NFA rifle even though it is an SBR. The ATF has a long list of serial numbers for various manufacturers and models and even if one is not on the list but it can be proven it came from the factory that way pre-NFA then it can be added to the grandfathered list.) It was like l threw the social equivalent of a grenade into the room. I made it clear I wasn't trying to get anyone in trouble, I just really wanted a genuine grandfathered old SBR "trapper" model lever gun for my own personal collection and I was interested in buying if the guns "grandfathered" status could be confirmed. They didn't care, how dare I ask such a question, all that mattered was that it was a pre-NFA trapper Winchester 94, how dare I ask for confirmation that it's serial number was on the grandfathered list or there was paperwork to prove it came from the factory as a trapper model. "Don't you know, you young punk! All the pre-NFA trappers are grandfathered!" Funny thing is that I personally hate the NFA which is why I want a grandfathered trapper model lever gun, because it's the one SBR that I can legally own without having to register it with the feds. and can travel with across state lines without having to ask permission from the government first !!! Plus I just love the look and history of those trapper model short barrel lever guns. So, collector associations - don't act that way when a "young little wipper snapper" just wants to be sure all the legal i's are dotted and it's are crossed before they consider buying a collectable gun - especially if it's a gun that must meet some kind of "grandfathered" standard to be legal or not require extra legal hassle to own.

Ian Forgotten-Weapons sent me a link to get all his videos as podcasts, but nothing comes through it because I'm at a cheaper tier on his Patreon, so there's a way to do this that is Patreon-restricted by $ level for sure. The biggest current Patreon is for a podcast called "Chapo Trap House" which produces both public and Patreon-only podcasts and you have to go in at $5 a month to get all the podcasts, so they can do it. Ian can do it. I'm sure there's a way for you to do it. Patreon is full of podcasts, so there's probably some creator advice for this somewhere behind the scenes.

David Brewer

Hopefully see you at Show of Shows on Saturday!

Bill Gall

did y'all ever end up using the gimbal you got however long ago that was?

David Herman

Sorry, continued. Their website has a show schedule and not much else, and the membership enticements appear to be flyers on tables near the door. Not really geared to younger people. the shows are a combination of collectors and a regular gun show, however. If you want to see old guys running someplace to their own taste without technology, take a look at the range and club I'm a member at. Whoo boy. Sign up for working hours not on the website, but by email to a person who will set it up. No IT director? No problem! Sigh.

Drizzle

Our local collectors groups, mwca.org does a good job putting on shows several times a year, but with my work schedule I've never felt compelled to become a member. My annual fee would not be more than my admission, although that may change as admission goes up.

Drizzle

Thank You so much for making this directly available as an audio only mp3 file. Saves me some time not having to rip the audio from your usual video posts. I work a lot of graveyard shifts and listen to a lot of audio only content accordingly.

also covered uhaul trailers work great when you need quick moving of items that cant get wet

Phil Byrd

Okay mental note: I need to listen to the end and comment after that. I think half my comments were off topic by the time I finished :p

PeterJim Mc

MINIVAN is what you need... real men arnt afraid to drive one

Phil Byrd

I drove from Rawlins to Jackson Hole in one day.

Tiger in man's clothing

Also anyone know how to change profile pics if signed in with Google? Or am I kinda stuck with the google pic?

PeterJim Mc

Also I agree with Mae that making you an honorary member isn’t just a favour to you. It also raises their profile and such, so giving them a plug or whatever is all they need from you, you wouldn’t owe them a favour per se. And yeah, I’m canadian so I spell honour and favour funny :p

PeterJim Mc

Listening to this while playing ESO and it's raining in game...

Tiger in man's clothing

It's your MP3 player? I don't have any problems listening to MP3s on my phone with the screen off.

Tiger in man's clothing

And that might be another Avenue to expand. A seperate round table (like everyone else has) where you just shoot the shit for an hour. It allows for a separation of politics from the main show, but allows you to be more active politically. Just avoid the echo chamber most folks fall into on both ends of the spectrum. If you go for the echo chamber it's boring and you will only wind up with a million +listeners and advertisers not caring what you say/do.

David Burnham

And yeah. A roof that doesn’t leak and two working cars when you live rural. Those things should be zero guilt :)

PeterJim Mc

Advice for starting/maintaining a "club". From the club I belong to for the range. 1) This is restating something you already know, but I don't like to assume; Do whatever you can do to make entry into the club/group as easy as possible. In our case about 8 years ago they simply posted an email address and had folks who were interested sign up to get notified of the monthly "range walk through"/"membership sign up". Went from about 50-75 members to almost 500 in a few years. 2) Value: Our club is one of several that offers access to the same range. We are the cheap option. Other clubs are much more active but cost more. With the understanding that the more you give with membership the higher the cost of membership and the higher the cost the fewer the number of people who will be willing to join, What is the value point ($) you want to be at, and what can you offer for that? If you get myopic and fixate on "look at all the stuff we offer" you will miss a bunch of folks and long term it may not be sustainable.

David Burnham

Guys don’t feel guilty on our account when you buy stuff. We give you a few bucks because we enjoy what you do and want to support you. Speaking for myself, once it’s left my account it’s your money.

PeterJim Mc

Can’t figure out how to make it play with screen off. Hints?

PeterJim Mc

Most excellent! Thank you!

Brian Taylor

I think my father's best day was when all his kids moved out and he retired, so he could finally stop spending nights and weekends working on cars.

Paul Mosher

What shotguns are you looking for?

So when will Suzy and the guinea pigs get their own channel?

David Burnham

Two is one and one is none. As the saying goes.

chris

Gonna try to make the Show of Shows on Saturday, hope to bump into the C&Rsenal crew there!

Polaxymer

Good point. Disregard.

Omar Martha

Wouldn't that make it public?

C&Rsenal

Awesome. Are you guys planning to add it to apple's podcast directory so we can use podcatchers to listen?

Omar Martha

Thank you!

Saoirse

awesome!

moosemaimer