****EDIT APRIL 1st READ BELOW*****Poll!

the real problem is its going to take literally 2 years to react to all the episodes if its once a week.

Daniel Borrego

This isn't even remotely true. I disagree with everything you've said. Monogatari is both, good reaction material and amazing discussion material. 80% of AutoSave's "reactions" are discussions, after all. I would argue that the amount of things to analyze and dissect in Monogatari far exceeds any other show I've seen.

Gromzi

This is the absolute worst take I’ve ever read

Kevin

some show are good but not a "good reaction material". Monogarari is paticular bad show for reaction. I don't know what can you react from that even. maybe if both you and your audience are japanese. same for odd taxi. good show, but nothing much to react. please consider when you choose a condidate not every good show are made for reaction,

Oldman andadog

looks like someone 'fortified' the vote :D

Daniel Borrego

@declider Very eloquently spoken lol

Noctislolig

I realize i am a bit late, but you just get a list of your patrons from patreon. Then you compile all responses in google docs into a list and compare the two. If there are any account names that either do not exist or repeat, you look into it, if they match and only appear once then it's a valid vote.

Parnik

no

declider

If only this kind of thing was limited to small communities. Sadly this is normal human behavior throughout all facets of life. In other news, I’m glad to hear Ben is feeling better!

Joshua Ford

In this poll, I thought, “I don’t mind which one wins. Among the options, I have only watched the Monogatari series, but I think this series has too many episodes. I hope AutoSave enjoys watching anime and chooses to watch subsequent seasons on their own initiative. If the poll determines that we must watch the entire series, I worry they might find it painful to watch if they don’t end up liking it. Even though I’m compensating them, I don’t want to force such a viewing experience on them. So, this time, I’m thinking of picking Code Geass, which I’ve been curious about for a while, and if it wins, I’ll try watching it. And if Fate wins? I’ll consider it then.” In essence, what I mean is, “I want AutoSave to actively enjoy anime on their own, so I’d like to stop making the entire series an option.” If the options were “Bakemonogatari (S1),” “Code Geass (S1),” and “Fate/stay night (S1),” I think it would allow for a straightforward choice based on “favorite anime” or “recommended anime.” If AutoSave likes the winning anime, it could be an option for the next poll, or they could spontaneously decide to watch more on their own. Conversely, if it’s not to their taste, they could choose not to continue watching it. Could making the entire series an option be a source of trouble? --- I apologize for the length of this text. It has been translated from Japanese to English. I wrote it in Japanese that's easy to translate into English first, but if there are any odd parts, please think of them as "sections that couldn't be translated well."

MoopoOne

Must you insist on filling up my email inbox with your incessant replies? : (

Matter

Brother you are quite possibly one of the most cringe people in this community.

Kevin

Go outside and live a little, man. It'll help with your complexion.

Matter

And you weren’t cringe?

Kevin

Get over it

DrWomanRespecter

I don't know of any online poll system that is "safe". You'll always need to monitor the votes and count on people playing fair. Unless you literally put the poll behind a huge payment... but even then some people wouldn't be discouraged.

Gromzi

They can just refund the money afterwards though.

Noctislolig

its not really possible to bot a patreon poll, right? each vote is a payment, so even if someone bought more votes, thats just how the system works right?

Nut Kon

Ok so two very long series vs 2 seasons of Code Geass...

The Avalant

Monogatari is about as long.

Chester

It's honestly sad that some people sat here and commented on this poll as if it were some sort of live event, however, we're all paying members, so it makes sense folks would be upset about vote manipulation. It's even more pathetic to drop tons of money for/bot a Patreon reaction channel poll. This entire fiasco was cringe, from the vote manipulation to the overly-passionate war going in the comments.

Matter

Lmao people really go that hard for a reaction

Dale Tucker

Yeah that's why he asked if it was all of fate

Appriser

usually i dont mind what shows wins or not. Whichever has more people interested in it hopefully wins. this particular poll definitely had suspicious circumstances though. thats why i care. assuming its the same for most others. it would be an incredible bummer if Fate won over other 2 because some person created 100 accounts and not because it has more fans.

Zipzip

Out of pocket opinion maybe but perhaps people care because they pay money to be able to have a say in the matter? I don't know though

Igor Eisen

Its 2 25 ep seasons and a movie trilogy less than monogatari. Unless your talking ALL of fate which of course it wouldn't be, no one wants all that.

Luke

This whole thing could’ve been avoided or at least there would be less chance of that happening if Patreon had an option to hide the results while voting is open, it’s such an easy implementation too, I guess it’s not really common problem in other areas

Verols

If it was working as intended then AS wouldnt put up a repoll or address the issue. Just because people can exploit the system doesnt mean that that is the intent from AS. It is well within reason for them to expect people to behave like adults and not pull shit like this, by all accounts putting up a poll should be perfectly fine.

Asbjørn Kennedy

I'm happy with either show tbh but it would be pretty funny to see the chaos that would ensue if Code Geass done a Lelouch and ended up winning.

Andrew Brown

Man, some people need to grow up. It's just a poll for a reaction and some people are treating it like it's life or death and being so toxic towards each other. I don't know why people can't just pick their favourite and move on; if your show doesn't get picked it's not the end of the world. Personally I voted for Code Geass; it won't win but I'm sure it'll come up again in the future, but it's wild seeing people convince fans of one show to join up just to mass vote one series, or resort to using bots to vote. It's no wonder people think the anime community can be cringe and toxic when people act like this. It wouldn't surprise me if they just done away with the polls altogether and picked the show based on recommendations and a random number generator to avoid all this hassle. Regardless of what wins, I hope you guys enjoy it and Ben's doing okay!

Andrew Brown

Have a little faith in AutoSave everyone they'll figure it out

Neutr0n

I honestly think that redoing this poll is not necessary. The 100-200 suspicious votes were only for Fate, so if any other show wins the redo definitely isn't necessary. And should Fate win by a small margin you can simply subtract 100-200 votes. I think that redoing the poll could just lead to the same scenario again unless the polling system changes somehow.

Noctislolig

I'm asking because I want to be able to understand what's happening so I can categorize to hacking, cheating or gaming a bad system. If someone hacked Patreon or the AutoSave account, that's a big issue. If someone did what I describe, and the vote remains after you refund & unsubscribe from the channel, I'd say it's cheating, But if someone just gave away money to buy votes, then the system is working EXACTLY as intended. It's supposed to be 1 account/vote, not 1 physical person/vote. Which means that the whole voting system must be reconsidered.

Arakis

Like all of fate? That's alot and not created equal. You got some stinkers in their with the amazing

Jeremy Wojnarak

200 suspicious votes all for Fate appeared in less a couple hours well into the second day of votes. If you get 230 votes not during the first day in the span of a couple hours, and 200 are for a show that is losing by a margin, something is not right. If you are literally asking HOW, then yeah, you pay and probably use some bots to make it quick

Kochen51

If its some rich guy, he wouldnt care about 100-200$ thrown away, i dont think he gonna botter to refund

Vladi

How the hell do you rig a poll? Are people just making new accounts, vote, then refund?

Arakis

Sending love and hope ben is feeling better❤️ dont let the bots discourage you! You guys are the best!

Gal

Aye they’ve done similar stuff in the past. Iirc JJK season 1 was also an “Anna reacts”. Obviously the rewatcher will be a bit restricted in the discussions to avoid inadvertently spoiling or confirming stuff, though I dont think that would be a big issue with VEG, I’m sure Anna could navigate through that with relative ease I cant speak for the average voter, but I’m sure most long-time watchers are familiar with the concept, and I wouldnt be surprised to see Violet win a poll some day

Asbjørn Kennedy

Fuck, it was interesting poll without bad options in it, and one guy just ruined it. Or at least ruined feelings of it, all three options still good.

declider

Looks like Anna's been monitoring the general vibe of the comments with the recent update to the post. I'm so sorry you had to deal with botters AGAIN. I don't know why people are doing this when you guys expressed the bot issue not that long ago

Nakirium

Alright, that is a lot more reasonable. I look forward to seeing how you handle this situation. I understand you two are not as experienced in this business as some other creators, it's normal for misshaps like this to occurr. I hope to see you grow from it and do the right thing. Best wishes.

Vsimp

OK boys let them cook the new rules/poll/whatever full trust

Vladi

"Show isn't finished" like... Like Frieren, AoT, Re:Zero, Oshi No Ko, Made in Abyss, My Hero Academia, Madoka, Chainsaw Man, and others, and others, and others... And it's was ok. Order? just enable season we told, there are a bunch of people who already said the order. And it's not even the end of poll. Problem solved before it's existed. And yeah, you are talking about toxic, but isn't "i didn't watch it but i hope you all lose" IS toxic? C'mon, there are three good results with good communities, let's just vote for whatever you like without bots, without "i will vote against it", without "it's dangerous to find", without "[anything] fans, think like i am thinking, don't think by yourself". Just. Vote. By. Youself.

declider

It is quite literally on Amazon Prime holy shit

Kevin

Knowing the result of 40/30/30 if they redo the poll, I see it as likely that they will form an alliance solely to prevent Monogatari from winning again.

Ry

If anything this has provided me with entertainment for a day:D lost a bit of nerve cells at the start before realized what was going on but still pretty fun, wouldn't recommend again tho

Verols

Watching Monogatari isn't going to blow up your laptop, trust me

DrWomanRespecter

Thanks for update, but is redo actually needed? I mean there are only one incident for like 100-200 people (probably patreon creators have better statistics than we do, but for now let's imagine there are exactly 100 of them). What do we have now? Monogatari 1% ahead. What do we have without this 100 bots on Fate? Monogatari X% ahead. What do we have on moment before bots attack? Monogatari ~10% ahead. What do we have as leader ALL of the time, with or without bots? Monogatari.

declider

Very True, sometimes i get randomly charged on first day on months i forget about it, same about the opposite way, people just forget about these stuff, they not gonna see it in time

Vladi

You can even connect crunchyroll to amazon prime and watch it there officially lol

Vladi

The problem isn't really will it win again or not cuz it probably will, but more of a case of integrity as other comments said, many people might miss second poll, think it's the same or it could be a repeat but with better strategy from the rigger, since he already knows fate will lose so he can start right away and make sure to spread it out evenly, any means like hiding the vote results somehow only works going forward and not right now when it's obvious who will win in a fair fight

Verols

Yea, I mean I agree. You do what you think is right, but throughout the last 48 hours of this poll Monogatari was winning for 90% of that time with around 38 - 41%. I say give it to Mono. But if you want to redo the poll make sure you are actually notifying everyone. Shame tho, cause some people who subbed before April 1st will not be able to vote again if they are not subscribed anymore, since you have the "first of the month" sub thing going.

TerminuS

I'm sorry to say this, but there are good, high quality sources safely available. I would be more than willing to provide them, the community has compiled pretty much every best version of Mono in easily accessible resources. Maybe you're just not particularly tech savvy, and that's ok, but that is in no way a prohibiting factor in getting access to the show. Anyone can do it. Clearly, most of us have, considering we won the poll, and our computers are still doing perfectly fine

Vsimp

The main story is finished let's say. Also c'mon, have you been on the internet for only a couple months? A reasonable enough person knows how to watch it without any problems

Kochen51

That was my assumption and hope since their interplay during the watch and their joint discussions afterwards are a big part of what makes their videos different and enjoyable on top of them both being individually fun, and since they started The Boys with Ben having already seen some. I think Violet may have had its numbers dampened from people thinking it might be solo, though :/

Daniel

I'm just going off what I've been told in research, never seen the show. If that isn't the case its fans should have made a better case for it

Will

Also, Patreon polls can be so easily rigged, it has happened many times in the past with many creators. Would recommend another method

DrWomanRespecter

The main show is finished and you just watch it in the intended release order. There's no need to blatantly lie because you want another show to win.

RRGI

Skill issue

hampsterducktape

I mean, just sub to one service like Crunchyroll so your conscience is clear and just download it from a trusted torrent site, no need to make a big deal out of it

Verols

Personally, I don't like the idea of a redo. Nothing is stopping this guy from dumping 100+ votes into Fate again. If we couldn't discern a clear winner, I'd say a redo would be valid. However, we all know what was going to win before things got tampered with.

DrWomanRespecter

A compelling counterargument

Will

I get the frustration but at the same time don't really see your point. If another show "suddenly has more votes" it would seem to be the work of bots like here, in which case recounts are the opposite of rendering your vote meaningless. And if your show was botted to win, you can hardly feel entitled to an unfair victory. If a majority wants Monogatari it will win again, throwing around the threat of droves of un-subscriptions seems a bit dramatic for having to wait a couple more days to make sure that is the case.

Will

I don’t speak for them but you can be very confident that it would be the latter option (both will watch, but Anna would be rewatching)

Asbjørn Kennedy

But how do you make sure Google form answer and patreon login match up or that it's a valid Patreon login with a sub?

Verols

Lmao

Kevin

If it ends up being a 1v1 poll I wouldn't think the chances for mono would be good, it had the benefit this poll of its haters being split between 2 shows.

Luke

Will

Not sure if redoing the poll is necessary. We had a clear winner before the botting took place. It’s y’all’s Patreon/channel, so we’re in for the ride no matter what, but still

Kevin

Nah I don't have the money for that sort of thing lol. I just notices the votes keep going up while the percentage for the other two shows has stayed the same mostly

Wired Learner

I am a real human being who paid from my own pocket to vote for mono earlier today, because i had heard of the foul play going on. I don't think we need botting.

Vsimp

Why redo the poll? we had a clear winner before the botting... All this is doing is delaying the content. I understand your concern for fairness i guess, but there's a ton of issues with it. Lot's of people whose subscriptions expired on the 31st won't be able to participate this time, people might not see the new poll in time and think they already voted because of the old one, etc etc.

Vsimp

I feel bad for AS that they have to deal with this ridiculousness…

Asbjørn Kennedy

It will be bad if the guy with the bots comes back and just drops his votes again xD

Vladi

nah, the monogatari votes are most likely geass voters swapping sides with how little it’s grown in comparison to the fate votes

Nakirium

Thanks, Igor. I'm trying to liven things up a little, make it exciting. Moronic botters and people paying money for poll manipulation is kinda crazy lul

Matter

I may be wrong but base on your previous comments I have a sneaking suspicion you're the culprit here:D in any case even if mono got some bots it couldn't have been more than a couple in this last hour, so since they'll do another poll somewhat differently it's still gonna win probably

Verols

I personally feel redoing the poll is a very bad idea when Monogatari was the clear winner before the botting happened. I'm not saying it would, but if the show that was clearly supposed to win ends up losing in the second poll, I have no doubt people would end up unsubscribing in droves because how can one trust the polls at that point when their votes are now null and void? I know I personally wouldn't want to(speaking in general here, love Anna and Ben's reactions)support a patreon where my vote is rendered meaningless because people cheated to win and the patreon decides to go with the other show ect because that one suddenly has more votes compared to what they had previously.

Meow_Lin

Botter didn't even do a good job it never over took. Guess he ran out of money.

Luke

Monogotori is also getting botted, js lol. Like fate is, but so is the other show

Wired Learner

I would really appreciate not having to do another poll since the winner (based on original numbers prior to the obvious influx) was pretty clearly Monogatari at a 40/30/30 split. Even now the gap hasn’t been completely overcome..

Oshi

Close the shop, it's over:D time for re-trials I guess:D don't say anything to the guy tho, let him keep pouring money in

Verols

Don't give up brothers and sisters, in the name of Kiss-Shot Bint Acerola-Orion Al-Heart-Under-Blade, victory will be ours. Inshallah.

dg_2drunk

Because clearly it won't win? Like everyone knows it wasn't even close before, I really don't think if the poll ends with Fate in the lead Ben and Anna will stick with it, they didn't when Bocchi got outbotted, why do it now? And I doubt the guy will bother with refunding 150+ accounts with 1$:D

Verols

But it's normal to Monogatari to have good results from the start. Madoka is ongoing on their channel, Monogatari was 1% away from win in previous poll. It's not from "nowhere", people here know about Monogatari due "adjacent" ongoing and slightly shameful, but confident apperance earlier.

declider

Ye, it's more of a case of fate closing in and it being a threshold of 37-38 and going back and forth a bit, since at this point you need like 12 votes for 1%, that's a lot of accounts:D

Verols

Based concern trolling

Igor Eisen

You say free money but how many people would end up not subbing because they saw a show they wanted to see get reacted to only to be ignored because someone botted for another show. That free money goes down the drain since users won't stay.

Meow_Lin

Unlikely. That 100 votes in few hours after whole day of poll is only strange behavior. Otherwise everything is fine, normal votes count, no count jumps for any options, just normal poll. And Monogatari, and Code Geass, and Fate held up well, except for one guy that ruined honest results.

declider

Not really. Votes mono hardly moved and the number of new votes indicates that it's more likely that a small number of people just switched their votes to mono

Igor Eisen

Free money for autosave I guess, as soon as comments noticed and brought attention to it what is even the point of continuing when it's obvious like that, just wait till poll are over and things are sorted out

Verols

Igor, just between you and me... Don't tell anyone that I've seen the entire animated series, read the (fan)translated novels past the anime, and have the series at an average score of 8.5, though. The jig will be up.

Matter

I think fate reached 36-37 when we had like 1.1k votes and now it somewhat stopped

Verols

Don't have to remind everyone that you got filtered by too many words on the screen

Igor Eisen

This shit wasn’t even close before the bottling, that’s the thing that gets me

Kevin

The fan club sign-up sheet is to the left if you wanna keep chatting. Otherwise, I'm not taking any comments, I'm afraid.

Matter

YEAH LETS GO GUYS KEEP BOTTING

DrWomanRespecter

Not at all. I'm monitoring this poll, and you keep chiming in from the peanut gallery calling people freaks and pedophiles. It's ridiculous and offensive

jaidoru

bro you are obsessed with me LMAO

Matter

"Made for freaks"... The hell is your problem??

jaidoru

Pretty sure both are botting at this point, votes being going up all day with it either being tied or mono 1% ahead.

Luke

Anna and Ben, PLEASE take a good look at what transpired with this poll. Monogatari had a clear victory before hundreds of suspicious votes for Fate poured in at the 11th hour. This type of vote tampering, whether technically legal or not, does neither you, your channel, or your viewers any good. You guys are great, and though it's still relatively young your channel is growing. I don't want something like this to end up damaging it.

Stonewielder

This poll is cooked. People are clearly manipulating the poll results for both Fate and Monogatari currently. Monogatari is made for freaks, and I much prefer Fate, but Mono definitely had the poll won before all of this started.

Matter

LETS GOOO FATE YOU CAN DO THIS

Slykou

Ok but like, this is mad sus. I find it very hard to believe that a hive mind of Fate fans just woke up and voted within the last like 8 hours. The poll had a clear winner, just saying

DrWomanRespecter

probably waiting for the last second before poll closes because realized that community realized he is cheating

Zipzip

You will absolutely get another chance in the future. Fate is super popular. Just be patient

Vsimp

And it's probably not gonna work lel

Vsimp

Mono didn't drop, someone's trying to buy extra votes for Fate last minute.

Vsimp

Someone botted a bunch of votes for Fate. Hopefully this will be taken into account

Vsimp

Nah dude whoever botted this shit is a weirdo

Kevin

To my code Geass bros or anyone who's thinking of changing their votes last minute: All I ask of you is to please not side with the obvious botter. Someone out there thinks their opinion matters more than everyone else's because they can afford to throw around a couple hundred dollars. Don't prove him right, please. Show him that this won't work.

Vsimp

That and also imagine doubling down and spending more than 100$ when it's obvious from precedent it won't even work:D

Verols

I really hope the mods take a look at this botting situation.

Noctislolig

Just refreshed and I'm seeing 37 for monogatari and 36 for fate. Very close, could be changing.

hampsterducktape

Is it? It's both at 37% for me.

Noctislolig

That sounds like the best idea going forward, like you say though it does require quite a bit of effort

Meow_Lin

The hilarious part of this obvious vote manipulation is that monogatari is still winning.

hampsterducktape

The Patreon polling system is clearly faulty and could be replaced by something better. From what i've seen, a google forms poll link on patreon is the best possible option. It should have a field where you input your patreon username so that there are no non-patron voters who just got the link from a patron. The manipulator also needs both a new google and patreon account to have more than 1 vote, which is a hassle for them. The vote percentage is also completely unknown to the voters so the person who wants to manipulate the poll doesn't know how many votes are enough or even if their pick is losing or winning. And the poll author can see if multiple votes came from the same device/IP and can stop manipulation that way. This is probably the best solution. This does require some effort from the creator, but i think mods can probably handle all of the steps. This method prevents most vote manipulation.

Parnik

If you look at their previous polls, only Monogatari/86 one was a timed poll. You can still vote on every other poll they have. Also just to confirm it says 2 days for me too.

Nossso

While other polling methods might have an option to hide results they don’t have even this slight payment wall, so the only thing that limits that kind of thing is increased pay threshold, like for example when voting 5or10, there’s not a big chance of someone creating 100 accounts and paying 500-1000$ for a poll, although still not zero, but that’s up to creators, choice between accessibility and risk of scam

Verols

On my end it says 2days have already passed

Meow_Lin

Well on my end it says 2 days have already passed which is why I was curious about the pole suddenly changing, Fate an hour ago was at 36% and now they're tied

Meow_Lin

I think this poll is a pretty good example of why Patreon polls are flawed and is also an indicator that maybe we need to have some kind of open communication with the community… even if Ben and Anna are not involved there’s mods on the patreon/YT that monitor and call attention to things that need to be addressed right? Like, maybe we look at making a discord for transparency between mods and the community or something and look into a different polling method that’s more bot resistant and/or doesn’t show poll results

Oshi

Me too. I'm sure it'll be fine though

jaidoru

Hopefully they just ignore that one person's obvious extra votes and go with Monogatari anyways. It was the clear winner before that, and otherwise it would just encourage this kind of vote manipulation to keep happening in the future.

Domino11332

@mods please let them know there is an artifical boosting that is happening after 2 days period ended.

Zipzip

It another 10 hours till 48h have passed, but hopefully they won't count scam votes and just stick with the actual results before this whole thing

Verols

Hope mods actually let them know tbh. This kind of stuff is making me want to cancel my sub. Wouldn't even mind much if this was natural but this is %100 suspicious and not at all feels natural.

Zipzip

It's more than not beneficial, it's straight up negative, since monogatari was ahead - more people wanna see it, some of them signed up just for it, since it won - it's more people than for Fate, so those people won't keep the sub for however long it takes to finish the series and that guy will cancel right away, so it's costing them subs in the long term

Verols

Have two days passed? I don’t think they have..

Oshi

Wait hang on, the poll should be closed now. 2 Days have already passed and Monogatari was the clear winner even with Fate being boosted out of no where with Monogatari having 39% votes and Fate having 38% votes but now all of a sudden they're TIED?! The poll needs to be closed so people can't vote anymore

Meow_Lin

Which is why I think, that polls should only be in the higher tiers, that actually watch and support autosave

Markus

saddest part of that one guy artifically boosting Fate series with duplicate accounts is that it won't even bring any long term benefit to Auto Save. That guy will probably cancel his subs right after this poll and maybe even ask for a refund. This is actually sad. Now Fate even took over Monogatari because of this.

Zipzip

Surely more than 100 Fate fans suddenly decided to subscribe to the patreon and vote. No other possible explanation.

Parnik

I looked at their paid member count yesterday, and it's more than a 100 more now lol. I think the theory that someone whaled out money for a number of accounts, however many fate votes got dumped in, is correct

Igor Eisen

RIGHT!! I'd love to know where all those last minute Fate votes came from!

Stonewielder

Russell, but it wasn't a switch, it were new votes. Overall votes count increased for more than 100.

declider

Stop the count, what a jump scare

Priam

I think it's because you can change your vote at any time before the poll closes (although, if you noticed the total # of votes increased by 200+ then just ignore my comment as I voted for Monogatari and didn't pay attention to the poll after haha). When people who voted for Code Geass realized it had no chance of winning, they likely preferred Fate over Monogatari which is why there was such a swing. I think for future polls once you vote it should be final to better reflect true first vote interest, especially in this case where 1 of the shows are quite different from the other 2.

Russell Gambardella

We're safe Monogatari bros. 48 hours are over. Even the late night vote dumping won't stop the MonoGOAT train. I will still need a per precinct breakdown of this election!

Igor Eisen

Android app doesn’t update the poll

ElectricAnt

I know, that's why it was a bit strange.

Rimuru Tempest

For some reason in the app I'm seeing Fate at 28% but on browser it's 36%??? I have no idea what's going on with this poll anymore.

Justin_IVIX

STOP THE COUNT!!

Igor Eisen

I haven't seen either Monogatari or Fate series and was hoping for Code Geass to win, so I don't really care which of the two wins now. And as a neutral party between those 2 shows, I gotta admit that the increase in votes that Fate has been getting is kinda suspicious.

Nossso

Looks like the poll watchers went home just in time for the truckload of Fate votes to arrive.

Justin_IVIX

This doesn't look like a fair poll at all all of a sudden, you can't tell me all of a sudden mono dropped like a rock at the VERY end of the poll. Something suspicious is going on I feel and you guys should look into it without taking the poll at face value if possible.

Meow_Lin

It's caster's noble phantasm in the works

Verols

This doesn't seem right at all, there's no way all of a sudden 200+ votes ended up happening for Fate when since yesterday the poll was pretty even taking time zones into account and all of a sudden today a huge influx purely for Fate happens?

Meow_Lin

100-200 votes happened few hours ago. And everyone of them for Fate. Without any other choices, It’s just that at one miracle moment more than a hundred votes applied to Fate, without affecting Code Geass or Monogatari vote count.

declider

That's alot of votes. Very surprising. Though they're all very good series, it's still a bit strange.

Rimuru Tempest

Y'all some real weirdos here

Drake

Monogatari bros... not like this... Please let this be some kind of sick April Fool's joke..

Domino11332

and yeah last time i checked there was 100+ vote difference. there is no way people suddenly decided they wanna see fate instead.

Zipzip

im not even comparing shows. "Fate series" is a vague poll entry and currently there is no way to experience "Fate series" as an anime. It has nothing to do with anyones tastes, if anything i probably like Fate more than Monogatari, jsut not in anime form.

Zipzip

well, ive been peeking back at the poll every so often for the past 2 hours while doing other things and its crazy how it keeps incrementally increasing the vote total to numbers we've never seen in prior polls. so incredibly crazy. UNREAL even. kinda like something like this could NEVER happen normally. wild. anyways, imma sleep and look at the vote count again when i wake up. praying we (monogatari) somehow survive during that time.

Nakirium

Hmmm... This seems suspicious.

Noctislolig

Apperantly one guy voting multiple times can xD

Vladi

lets not start comparing shows here. everyone got different tastes and attention spans so some things just wont hit the same for some people. take a look at frieren. i personally gave that show a 10/10 for adaptation, presentation, and pacing but ive been seeing a lot of 7s so idk man, people be different and thats not a bad thing per se

Nakirium

Can't speak on much about Fate. I thought Fate/Stay Night was incredibly boring and dropped it about halfway through. Haven't touched another title since. But nothing can top Monogatari - and Anna and Ben's discussions will be so good too.

jaidoru

kinda insane some people think Fate anime experience is as good as Monogatari. and i've seen every single fate series and love it.

Zipzip

I would understand if they made post on youtube, and people coming and voting but this is obviously like 1 guy subbing for 1$ and voting x 200 times.

Vladi

fuck bots, let's have honest results

declider

fr tho, cuz i do genuinely like Fate too but winning like this kinda SUCKS? i voted monogatari cuz of everything we're getting soon and i've been dying to see their analytical lens hit this series (just like they are with madoka magica) and it'd be PEAK to have both of them on this channel

Nakirium

how about lets not bot period

Nakirium

Monogatari fans, let's counter-bot to show dominance (This is a joke fyi)

Ice

Its like the holy rigged war happened and they all got spawned at the same time 😂

Vladi

If Fate wins because of this, I swear...

jaidoru

I mean they haven't won yet and even if they do and whoever has done this haven't gave up due to it being pointless anyways I hope it will be nullified

Verols

I thought that something like JoJo had the most loyal community, but I respect Fate community for developing one common sleep regime, where this sleep lasts almost two days, and every member of the community dare not break it. Bravo. (but seriously, I feel bad about the whole poll, both for the Monogatari fans who can now lose to bots, and for the honest fans of Fate, to whom such a loser has joined and is single-handedly casting a shadow on the entire community. I'm sure those who voted for Fate are not very happy about this "victory")

declider

people wake up at different times sure but this poll has been active for nearly the 48 hours already. i dont think waking up and then 100+ people simultaneously voting near the end of a TWO DAY poll for ONE show makes any sense. The percentages indicate nearly 0 people voted for Code Geass or Monogatari so idk man. i didnt know 100 people from all across the world with different world views and interest would all collectively select Fate and only Fate.

Nakirium

So someone gonna yeet 100-200$ just to make other series win 😂

Vladi

All the fate fans sleep for 24hours per day and wake up at the same time?:D

Verols

People wake up at different times and see the mail about the poll, and go vote is my guess.

Stryfe

Actually rigged. Extremly weird influx of Fate votes. Stop the count!

Parnik

STOP THE COUNT!

Ry

You don‘t even need to create mail accounts to vote bot, as Patreon does not require email verification (i.e. you can just use bogus emails). I think they should remove the privilege to vote from the 1$ tier. It gets abused way to often.

Markus

i see a good number of us are carefully watching the poll vote count very closely. but yes, its highly unnatural for THIS particular poll to get nearly 1100 votes when almost all the prior polls have never reached these numbers. Plus all the naturally voted polls usually have the exact same results during the last couple of hours, MEANING people are asleep/not voting anymore/dont care enough during that period. So why is it that all of a sudden 100 people chose to collectively vote Fate during the tail end of this poll? Kinda sus ngl

Nakirium

Yeah, I'm seeing some foul play occurring in this poll just like the Bocchi poll. This is a very unnatural swing

Nakirium

Hahaha 100 votes in a few hours. That's really bad.

Korakit

If it was a matter of people switching from CG to Fate then the overall amount of votes would not have changed, it’s very clearly like 100+ different accounts. If we look at the 40/30/30 distribution at 950 votes that’s 95 votes per 10percent to add in 100 votes on one of the 30s would pretty much immediately bump the show up to about tied with Monogatari, which is pretty much what happened… then you take into consideration the past polls (795 for the Monogatari vs 86 poll and 943 on the OddTaxi/heavenly delusion polls) it seems extremely suspicious and statistically impossible that this poll would jump over 100 votes so late into the poll and put the votes almost 100% to one of the 3 options.

Oshi

It was 40/30/30 for like a day, and it's drastically changed in few hours after some 100 "people" suddenly voted for one option... Hmm, it's quite suspicious

declider

Well yea, with extra slot and lengths of these pick two probably not an option, but technically bocchi last time was declared a winner so there's precedent to just drop fate atleast for now, or maybe they'll run out of money and scam votes stop, there's still 1%lead:D

Verols

whoever is botting fate to win thats kinda sad bro but you do you, I'm also disappointed that not alot of people are voting for code geass but i wouldn't stoop that low

Cristian

Yeah except this time I don't think they could pick both since both are very long shows (idk how much they'd watch for fate though)

Sanbiki No Kaeru

Well last time it didn't really work out for them since they still picked Bocchi and only watched SG0 cuz they're decided it's a sequel so hopefully it won't work out this time too

Verols

100 email accounts is very easy especially for someone that does that a lot. Like for example there are bots for twitch that go to any streamer's chat and start spamming ads/scams and there needs to be obviously a lot of them to fill a chat of a popular streamer. You also need an email for that and they get banned in about 5 mins by twitch, yet there are still cases of that happening every day/hour etc.

Sanbiki No Kaeru

No it's not fair, I would pay 100$ probably just for them to watch monogatari but that's not an option they provide and creating fake accounts is a scam

Verols

It's not like it's the first time, you underestimate degeneracy of some ppl, it literally happened last time with bocchi and sg0

Verols

Wouldn't you also need to create 100 email accounts, that sounds like way to much effort to go through

Luke

I'm not saying it's necessarily right but, if someone is willing to spend the money for each vote....isn't that fair?

Wired Learner

It would cost about 100-120$ yes, but for some people that's definitely not a lot of money

Sanbiki No Kaeru

Wouldn't that cost a ton of money?

Wired Learner

Yeah the organized effort of switching literally more than a third of the people who voted Code Geass, while amount of votes for CG didn't decrease at all XDD What are we even talking about

Sanbiki No Kaeru

Then the number of votes wouldn't increase

Verols

Yep, even if you take into account some people just signing up to vote and that's why there are more votes, the fact that it all started near the end is suspicious af, all at the same timeframe and all for fate

Verols

I sure hope fate wins! Their discussions will be incredible! The Fate Zero, unlimited blade works, and heaven's feel are a perfect trilogy of anime!!

Wired Learner

Not sure about that another likely cause is fate took a small lead over cg so cg fans gave up and decided to vote fate instead

Luke

Is it another Bocchi/SG0 situation?:D

Verols

Gotta bring to your attention that it's super likely someone made about 100 accounts to make Fate win. At 950 votes it was 40/30/30 split. Now at 1073 votes it is 37/27/36. Which means out of 123 votes ~100 of them were for fate, which is not realistic in such a time frame and considering the general distribution of votes (at the same time Code Geass got ~4 votes, for example). Also consider that the last poll gathered under 1k votes. And in general, the poll wouldn't naturally gather so many votes per hour in so late into the poll.

Sanbiki No Kaeru

Heaven's Feel 3 is peak. enjoy!

Milk Tea

Considering it didn’t place in the top 3 on the Youtube poll, no

Kevin

No Monster? 😔

Pmj13

😈

Matter

What a loser

jaidoru

Sometimes you have to do a little trolling

Matter

If Fate doesn't win, will it get another chance in a future poll? These two reacting to the Heaven's Feel movies is what I want to see more than anything else. Zero and UBW are pretty good too.

Anders Pike

Jay Craig, lmao

Kevin

Commenting some weird shit like this, yeah man, you’re chilling

Kevin

I got my Madoka and R:Z already I'm chilling tbh

Matter

Stay mad

DrWomanRespecter

I personally like Coalgirls more, but MTBB is not bad

Kochen51

Pedogatari gonna go crazy!

Matter

Monogatari discussion will go absolutely wild!!!

Norberto Gonzalez

Back from when I first started watching you guys I thought that Monogatari would be the literal perfect show for you. Your discussions are basically made for it.

Noctislolig

We're so back Monogatari bros

Igor Eisen

+3

jaidoru

For clarification on the youtube poll did "Ben reacts" mean Ben watching solo or both Ben and Anna with just ben being the first-time watch?

Daniel

Oh my god, for the past year I've asked for Monogatari almost as a joke cause I never thought they would legit watch it. If it wins I'm telling my future grandkids about this massive W. Haha tho tbh, Code Geass and Fate are also in my like top shows so this poll is loaded for me :P

Kitko

Ok Fate bros I’m sorry, this whole voting period I was like, yea, Zero was great but after it is UBW which is ok-ish, so why you’re all want this so bad, but just watched two Heaven’s feel movies with one left and now I know:D it’s still not Monogatari but I will definitely be voting for it next time, this was on another level

Verols

Did you watch their Madoka Magica reactions? Because they did in fact talk about symbolism. On the show done by the same studio with similar directoral choices. If the show evokes artistic thought, they don't shy away from speculating on what things mean. If you don't think they're up for it, I am curious to know which reactor you think is. That is, if you don't believe that this series is supposed to be some sort of untouchable one that everyone is too uneducated to attempt

sleepysorceror

Discussing the watch order is somewhat pointless nowadays because the main story has been completed so novel order is the way to go.

Ecodude

Sadly I don't really think that they will use Fansubs, like I don't see them doing that or the mods suggesting it but we can try. Another thing is I really believe that the way to go with Monogatari is engaging with the community in the comments bc there is a lot of things that are very "japanese" in the show and sometimes a reactor will need the extra info, but again sadly I don't see that happening or even the mods doing that kind of job. It is what it is, at the end of the day if Monogatari wins we win lol

Ecodude

Code Geass c'mon. We need to see their reaction to one of the best anime endings in history

The Avalant

Kino is coming

Priam

+2

Loayza

+1

Verols

While their analysis is not something like a full on professional review, that you can find on some series in YT. Its still much better than most of what the other reactors do on the platform (no discussions at all or short ones, pausing and still missing information, attempting to do what u said but ending up triggering everyone in the comments XD). Lets not talk about long disscusions that dont even have anything to do with the episode lol. Tbh just doing OMG faces and screaming and fan boying/girlin over char bring more views either way, so i understand the other reaction channels focusing on that.

Vladi

@Doodlegame -- True, but I feel like one of the biggest issues is the "cookie cutter" approach most adaptations are forced to follow. Not every adaptation needs 10 - 13 episodes; some can tell the story in fewer, some require more time. Although there have been a few exceptions in recent years, the anime industry still tries to follow a set number of episodes to span an entire season. I was actually shocked to see how many episodes (for example) the upcoming Demon Slayer season is getting, because that's very much out of the norm.

Merfhew

Really hope they watch MTBB subs

ElectricAnt

> I don't think the argument that "Moreover, Monogatari is much tougher to properly analyze because..." would really be an issue I sure hope so. By the way, you're not refuting my point that it is one of the toughest shows, so I guess we agree to that. You're just saying that they're just good enough to do it (which I never touched upon). Personally, I don't know about it. They do go on for a long time, but the analysis isn't anything excellent. Most of the time they talk about how the show makes them feel, and speculations about how the story will progress. They rarely spend time on "What the author means is.." or "What the colour in this scene symbolizes is..". I do like Monogatari, but I don't much care about how the Araragi/Senjougahara ship makes people feel.

Arakis

You're hung up on them being stuck watching the series for 90 episodes, but keep avoiding addressing the fact that out of the many reactors on youtube, I think they do have what it takes to thoroughly analyze the series, and they would enjoy doing so given their track record. If it's not your cup of tea to watch them react to it that's fine, but I don't think the argument that "Moreover, Monogatari is much tougher to properly analyze because..." would really be an issue, considering AutoSave's reaction and discussion style. I have yet to see another group take as much time to analyze and dissect the media that they're suggested to react to than these guys, which is why I and I'm guessing a lot of people watch them. Part of it is to see the in-the-moment emotions, but also their discussions that tend to lead to interesting ideas. When their discussions are consistently longer than the episode length itself, I think it's safe to say they enjoy that type of thorough analysis

sleepysorceror

There's also audio commentary for almost every episode if you haven't gotten around to it, it's almost as good as the show:D

Verols

Naah, I always meant "more shows in the same time frame". You misunderstood. I thought it was pretty clear. Guess I was wrong. > if you don't want a show you just don't vote for it That's bad advice. Every decision affects the community as a whole. Everyone should participate. Even when you don't see a "best" option, for you, there must at least be a "least bad" option. > And while you posing as a defendant of downtrodden Just because I post arguments for and against, doesn't mean I'm some kind of activist. You only see it that way. I never once appealed to emotion. > for some reason don't use CG which has less episodes than Fate I already explained that. You came 4 hours after I made my initial comment. When I made my comment, Code Geass was incredibly low on votes so, if someone agreed with my logic, and they didn't have a specific prefrence among the three, they wouldn't have voted CG anyway.

Arakis

Monogatari all the way! This will be amazing. I read every Novel and Short Story that was translated by fans so far and I am so hyped to watch the anime again and again.

Fabian

And while you posing as a defendant of downtrodden who wants nothing and just should vote for a show with less episodes in your example you for some reason don't use CG which has less episodes than Fate

Verols

But you're not saying that, you're just saying if people want more reactions - less episodes is better which is wrong, if you don't want a show you just don't vote for it and posing an argument about length as it is something bad is not necessary, alternatively almost half wants it so for us it's actually better that a show has a lot of episodes, you don't see anybody posting an argument that for example while 86 is awesome it's only 23 episodes so don't vote for it because there's high chance in the next vote there will be a show you don't like so vote for monogatari since it will lock a slot with great content for longer

Verols

Fate series will win one of these days...

Linus Pettersson

Btw this google doc is amazing yea, just give it a read

Verols

It has already been mentioned by many but if Monogatari wins, the LN order is the way. Also even though I usually prefer not to, fansubs is the best option. This anime focuses a lot on its dialogue and has a lot of worldplay and references, subtitles from streaming sites don't do it justice.

Loayza

Zero, ubw and heavens feel I assume.

Luke

As a fellow neuroatypical, I've seen what the bottom of the well is like countless times. But you've got each other, and, if it helps, a whole army of Autosavers who adore you and want you to be well! All the best to your recovery Ben! And much love to you too Anna as the one beside him, at both the best and the less good times (as life is and love should be).

Meg B

> How do you figure if we want MORE reactions then long show is less preferable? What kind of question is that? 1 show @ 96 eps = 3 shows @ 32 eps > You should count it by actual number of videos you can watch at any given time, with one slot, why does it matter if a show has 1k episodes or it's 100 shows with 10 episodes? You get the same amount of videos either way.. I'm talking about people who don't like Monogatari and don't like Code Geass and don't like Fate and want something else. If they want the opportunity to watch "something else", the waiting time is different.

Arakis

And while Monogatari suffers less from that production issue due to it's overall structure this is still not the reason to butcher the story flow when you don't have to

Verols

cool idea to cypher the stuff:D but you're still wrong, the ONLY reason movie released when it did because of production issues, the fact that it structurally a bit different (no mologue) is just a director choice for the medium (film vs show) and have no place being any argument to it's placement, now the production issue which shaft is famous for even with it's tv shows, like there were no op or frames missing when it aired make any argument of where to place kizu movies the same as arguing if you should watch any other show s1 before s2, the story was written that way and you should watch it that way now that all the issues are nonexistent, there are cases where fluid watch orders and discussion how to watch can take place for example fate stay night and fate zero but monogatari definitely not the case

Verols

I encourage everyone who has not read the article posted by vladi to give it a read (obv. heavy spoilers for the entire anime). The novel order is objectively the better and correct watch order and the article does an excellent job of detailing why.

Markus

I took a peek at that, and will be saving it for later, having seeing the length (lmao). I'm definitely interested though! Because for the past ~7 years since originally watching the series and engaging in discourse, I have yet to see an argument for novel order that goes beyond "intended order", which I don't think holds up as an argument. So thank you for that. And yeah, even if I have my personal preference I won't go up in arms one way or another, I think the series can be enjoyed either way, it's just different experiences. Most of all I am just excited for the (presumably) lengthy discussions this series will bring :D

Asbjørn Kennedy

Glad that Ben‘s doing better and excited for you two to start the Monogatari series soon!

this is one long ass username

When you say the Fate series what do you mean?

that girl

i will use the same method to censor in case of someone clicking on the link and saying they got spoiled xD uggcf://qbpf.tbbtyr.pbz/qbphzrag/q/1Jz8Yfgewrdv8Y6UndbzFJngKSB_tVgyQ58qI41vUpIf/rqvg This is a good explanation of why people say its the better that way. For me personally wont really matter cuz i couldnt see it that way, the movies werent out, same as hanamonogatari, i saw it after s2... it wasnt out. So your point is valid yeah, thats what happened to me basically.

Vladi

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Asbjørn Kennedy

Saying that "X order is the only way" is ridiculous to me when you can make a solid case for placing the movies elsewhere. Anyway I'll post my reasons below in Rot13 to avoid posting spoilers, so if you want to hear them, then copy my comment, go to rot13.com and paste it there.

Asbjørn Kennedy

I agree, now that I think about it, a few plot points and stuff are just random ass pulls if u haven't seen the movies first lol So def novel order is better

Vladi

you're right but there are too many salty monogatari fans

Nut Kon

The only way is bake-kizu-nise, the actual intended order without being affected by production delays so this is wrong, without movies the whole relationship between certain two characters is unexplained and whole arcs become less imapactful by not knowing the background you should already know by author’s intent, not to mention slight references and explanations about some characters that relies on having seen movies starting already in Nise and continuing throughout, not to mention more spoilery stuff that you can’t really talk about, the only sane reason you would watch in any other order is having to watch it ongoing as it came out which thankfully not the case anymore

Verols

I watched the movies when they aired out, haven't read the novel back then, neither had the manga yet. Then on rewatch I saw it with the movies after bake, and tbh there isn't much of a difference for me. If I had say which one I prefer It would be the novel order, because I feel like it gives u answers early, not many people remember all details until they reach the movies and get confused by timelines xD. Also it's probably one of the best adaptation out of all of them, cuz it's a movie prolly. And specifically if they do mono and we wait 1+ year to reach movies, gonna be pain xD.

Vladi

Excited to see Monogatari series doing well! I'm gonna go ahead of myself and add my two cents regarding watch order, because it's a mess to figure out, mostly due to production issues and creative decisions. A common suggestion for watch order is to do novel order, which is mainly to say to watch Kizumonogatari between Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari. I think this is *okay* but not ideal. Another suggestion is to watch it after Koyomimonogatari which I think is terrible. I believe the ideal timing to watch the Kizumonogatari movies is between Owarimonogatari 1 and Koyomimonogatari. The argument is that the placement of Kizu doesn't affect the enjoyment of the rest of the series that much, but it does affect the enjoyment of the movies themselves imo. Since it's impossible to go into detail as to why without going into any kind of spoilers I can't really elaborate, but I can write up the details elsewhere I guess for anyone who is curious. EDIT: I posted my thoughts below in rot13. Copy the text in the reply and go to Rot13.com to read.

Asbjørn Kennedy

You’ll always miss out on stuff when it’s a LN adaptation. They are just too dense to adapt everything, it would ruin the show/movie’s pacing every time

Doodlegame

It’s alright. I see the appeal, but it fails at pacing to an extraordinary degree, especially in S2. Also the random fan service really feels out of place in its otherwise serious story, like we get awkward framing choices just to show some ass and it doesn’t get distracting. I’d say the ending is pretty damn great, but it stumbles a lot on its way there. Also it definitely feels like an anime original story, like it doesn’t feel like one person’s vision being adapted, S2 doesn’t feel like it was planned from the start, but rather a response to people’s reactions about S1. No spoilers but it’s far from perfect is all I’m saying.

Doodlegame

They really only watch peak don’t they.

Doodlegame

I hope monogatari wins and it seems like it.

ZigZagKangaroo

I second this as well. Fansubs are the way to go with Monogatari.

Markus

Highvote this maybe so mods will take notice, it's unlikely they will go this route but watching fansub version is gonna make experience much better since official releases mix-up terms and phrases often and for example MTBB release is fully done for all seasons that's out and consistent with it's translations which makes certain scenes pay off hit more

Verols

This logic is stupid and I wish everyone would stop with it's too long argument. How do you figure if we want MORE reactions then long show is less preferable? Why you count the amount of content by title numbers? You should count it by actual number of videos you can watch at any given time, with one slot, why does it matter if a show has 1k episodes or it's 100 shows with 10 episodes? You get the same amount of videos either way, and with switching between shows and polls it might be even less for a shorter one, so let's all start saying it's too short to react to and dropping shows for that reason instead

Verols

If Monogatari wins, this might be controversial, but given how important some sub moments are and to help the puns move to English as well as the sub style, I highly recommend sailing the 7 seas.. While I haven’t actually checked it out myself, I couldn’t imagine watching the show on CR or Amazon. Given what I have seen from those sources, I’m sure there’s plenty of instances of “localization” there and I’m sure it would hinder the uniquely Japanese experience that is Monogatari.

Oshi

Not to celebrate early but this polling period produced the best possible results it could've, if monogatari would've won 1st poll then 86 would've won 2nd and we lost Heavenly Delusions but this way it's 3/3 awesome results

Verols

Seen all these series and can safely say you will enjoy all of them. Tho I have my fingers crossed for Code Geass being first

Revy

I believe in my heart that Monogatari will win! It was the show that changed my entire perspective on anime as a medium and i can only describe it as a masterpiece in storytelling and direction.

Parnik

Thank you. I knew that Code Geass is a famous anime and that many streamers have been doing reactions and reviews, so I was originally interested. I’ll take this opportunity to try watching it.

MoopoOne

No lol

Quinn Sletcher

Im honestly not sure if Im gonna watch reactions to any of these but I hope you enjoy them they are good anime

L.C.

Even if Code Geass doesn't win, I'd recommend giving it a watch. It's certainly not a perfect series, but it is one of my favorites

Daniel Frenzel

> Specifically for 86 or Monogatari > The choice is between Monogatari, Code Geass & Fate My dude..

Arakis

For further clarification (and because I started typing this out before you got a response), there were some production delays when they were initially animating each arc of this series which caused some arcs to be released in a different order from the original novels. As of right now, all the arcs of the main story have been animated so you can watch them in novel order instead of anime release order. The main example where you would do this is watch Bakemonogatari (anime released 2009) and then the Kizumonogatari Movies (anime released 2016/2017) and THEN Nisemonogatari (anime released 2012).

noon

If it wins, they should def know the way to watch it atleast, and where too, otheriwise it would be big confusion xD So good post

Vladi

Monogatari is too long. I recommend watching the Monogatari series at least once to understand the vast variety of anime, but the entire series is too much. Even if it ranks first in this vote, I would like you to stick to watching only Bakemonogatari and then decide whether you want to watch the next series after finishing the last episode. Among these options, Monogatari was the only one I had watched, but this time I voted for Code Geass. Code Geass has been an anime I’ve been curious about for a while, so I intend to watch it if it ranks first. (Unfortunately, I’m not very interested in Fate.)

MoopoOne

WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DO 3 GOOD SERIES!!!! Hopefully they can all when in the future one day. LET'S GOOO! I voted for Monogatari and I'm sure mods can help with the watch order though I believe Release Order is the way to go along with the kizumonogatari movies watched after Bakamonogatari but that's just me, but I hope Code Geass gets picked as well as Fate even though for Fate I have....to.....say.....it..........READ THE VISUAL NOVEL :P

Meow_Lin

@Neutr0n -- Awesome. Thank you for answering my question. It's a shame that light novel anime adaptations often skip, condense, rush, and air scenes in the wrong order (less so in recent years, but it still does happen). I've watched shows like Irregular at Magic High School, Spice + Wolf, Lord El-Melloi (from Fate), A Certain Magical Index, and A Certain Scientific Railgun, and hearing from light novel readers that I missed out on stuff makes me sad.

Merfhew

Monogatari believers we can do it! Also just wanna say that if it wins, novel order is definitely the way to do it. Hope you guys are feeling better soon

wahoo_jpeg

All Heil Lelouch!

CoolCasey

release order is fine

Appriser

As an aside, this slot was created *specifically* for 86 and/or Monogatari, which they explicitly stated. Whether or not they continue the slot moving forward depends on their own life schedules and if they can keep up with the adjusted pace, since they're not used to this much being reacted to at once

sleepysorceror

Novel order is recommended. It's the story the author told

Neutr0n

Light novel order is much better, it adds context to a very important scene in Nisemonogatari and the only reason Kizu didnt release sooner was due to production issues. There's no reason for newcomers to the franchise to do release order over light novel order

Roberto

Everything the series skipped has been filled in, to the end of the main story. There wouldn't be any gaps now

Neutr0n

For people who want to know what "novel order" means for Monogatari, here's a watch guide, and where to watch the episodes: https://edomonogatari.wordpress.com/2020/05/12/monogatari-anime-guide/#order

Neutr0n

People keep saying Ben + Anna should watch Monogatari in novel order, because the anime skipped stuff and/or aired things out of order. If the anime airs stuff in the wrong order, and the anime isn't finished yet, and the story needs to be told in novel order, does that mean everything the anime previously skipped has been animated now? Or will new fans be going into a series that still has gaps? I've never watched Monogatari (it's on my watch list, but I get confused by all the different names), so I apologize if this sounds like a dumb question.

Merfhew

I really think they do have what it takes to discuss and thoroughly analyze it, that's the kind of thing that's up their alley. And their experience with Madoka Magica and their vocal admiration of SHAFT's animation style would mean the strange cuts and angles wouldn't bother them, in fact it would intrigue them. And considering the average length of their discussion portions relative to the vast majority of other reactors, I think they have the time as well.

sleepysorceror

Heck no, release order is fine

Hans Santoso

Yup, they should use amazon prime video too cuz crunchyroll is missing some episodes (they can connect crunchyroll to amazon prime for anime, i think)

Vladi

In this order, with links/sites: https://edomonogatari.wordpress.com/2020/05/12/monogatari-anime-guide/#order

Neutr0n

@Will - I have the same question.

Merfhew

Correct, but unfortunately it seems to have the least amount of votes :S

Arakis

By your logic it would be better that code geass wins than since it has the least amount of episodes so they could react to more shows right?

Cristian

Yo ho ho 🏴‍☠️

hampsterducktape

By that logic it should be movie slot and they should only do weekly movie reactions.... they can watch 90 movies instead of monogatari XD

Vladi

If Monogatari wins, I highly recommend watching them in novel order, the anime released a few things out of order due to production issues.

Ninja

What you say only applies if this slot is completely removed after the show it'll host ends. If the slot remains and there's another show afterwards, my point remains valid.

Arakis

MONOGATARI! It's time everyone, rally up for this great series lol

Alexander Joseph Cruz

I think the fact that it's tougher to analyze and the fact that they took some Japanese in college makes them more of a candidate to react to this show, especially with how few people have reacted to it despite how well-known it is. Also, the "more" reactions bit I'm not sure applies, since this time they're doing an extra slot, explained in one of their other community posts. We aren't losing a slot, just gaining another bonus show's reactions to look forward to

sleepysorceror

Very carefully

TheMightyAnt

It IS great, actually. If you have the academic knowledge and time to explain it. It's not for everyone, obviously.

Arakis

Most of the time the book lines are what's happening in the scene. Plus having symbolism/absurdism/surrealism is great for discussions

TheMightyAnt

Fate is 25 eps (Zero) + 26 eps (UBW) + 3 movies (HF) and it's done. Monogatari is 90+ eps and unfinished. If people want to watch MORE reactions, it's obvious that the longer show is the least preferable story. Moreover, Monogatari is much tougher to properly analyze because (1) It has many regional (japanese) memes and references, such as shows airing on japanse TV and/or japanese products, (2) makes a lot of puns and worldplay that make sense in japanese and don't translate, (3) uses heavy symbolism, absurdism, surrealism which requires serious academic knowledge of art themes and last but not least (4) does this weird thing with posting a single-frame still of half book chapter that you can stop and read for 2-3 minutes.

Arakis

ok Monogatari people. How tf do we watch this show?

Will

I love all these shows but There are only like 2 or 3 good monogatari reactions on youtube. So I hope it wins this.

osama alasiri

Since I haven't watched either of them I wont choose

tatakai

Oh noooo I have to choose between one my favorite franchises ever (Fate) and Code Geass.... I KNOW the discussions would be awesome for both

Cat_Sidhe

Code geass pleaseeeeee

Yamil Yanez

All these pools and here I am, not knowing how to swim

Dale Tucker

Bakemonogatari (15 episodes) Kizumonogatari (3 films) Nisemonogatari (11 episodes) Nekomonogatari [Black] (4 episodes) Nekomonogatari [White] (5 episodes) Kabukimonogatari (4 episodes) Hanamonogatari (5 episodes) Otorimonogatari (4 episodes) Onimonogatari (4 episodes) Koimonogatari (6 episodes) Tsukimonogatari (4 episodes) Koyomimonogatari (12 short episodes) Owarimonogatari Season 1 (13 episodes) Owarimonogatari Season 2 (7 episodes) Zoku Owarimonogatari (6 episodes)

hampsterducktape

if it wins make sure we get them the novel order and they should also use amazon prime video aswell, not only cruncyroll cuz its missing episodes. https://edomonogatari.wordpress.com/2020/05/12/monogatari-anime-guide/#order

Vladi

Here's the series in novel order, book titles only. I can edit the comment to include the arc titles as well to further clarify, but they could be considered vaguely spoilery so I'll leave them out for now.

hampsterducktape

I know Monogatari will probably win, but with the exception of the SOS bros, I've never seen a discussion heavy reaction channel analyze a Fate project. It would have been nice to see y'all get neck deep in Fate lore in a way most reactors that try the series have trouble even comprehending. Who knows, maybe I'll be surprised in the end, and even so... there's always next time.

Xeno

I know a decent amount about it, I am one of those people that doesn't care AT ALL about spoilers, so I have seen clips and stuff about it, and It does seem really cool.

Signspace

I literally joined the patreon just so I could vote Monogatari in this poll! If Monogatari wins, please PLEASE do the novel order. The anime was riddled with production issues, so it was released all out of order, leading to several conflicting watch orders and a ton of debate among fans. The novel order is how the original book series was released, and it's definitely the best way to engage with the story in my opinion.

hampsterducktape

Monogatari fans RISE

Sage Moon

Hoping Monogatari wins, but honestly all great options

Milk Tea

its a teally great series the deeper you get into it I bounced one on Bake, but never after that.

TerminuS

LETS GO MONOGATARI FANS, WE WIN THOSEEEEE We can finally eat

Vladi

Glad to here Ben is okay. Love you guys and your content👍

TrinitytheApostle

As much as I know Monogatari is gonna win, I do wish we could do Fate. Both are about as deep and convoluted as each other, but I have seen fate, while I have bounced off Monogatari hard every time I tried. Maybe I'll try it with you guys, let you do the over analysis for me haha.

Signspace

damn, RIP Violet lol. My fave anime would’ve probably won if not for it being a solo react. At least we get Heavenly Delusion and 86, 2/3 ain’t bad

Chelle

Lets get this Monogatari W

Othinus

We’re here for you Ben.

Jacob

LETS GOOO Fate series

Slykou