Redemption Reacts to BTS & Papa Mochi Are Reunited! & BUTTER PERFORMANCE LIVE
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well said wow, thats so true !
laura
2022-09-09 06:49:49 +0000 UTCBts telling the toxic fans to chill on social media will allow antis and haters to use the fact that bts had to call out the toxicity side of army (which isn't what makes up army) against them. Bighit did address these fans a few times but I don't remember the reason and bighit/hybe addressed them as "bts fans" not "army" in those notice letters. Which gives a more clear difference between the 2 sides of the fandom
Kamila
2022-03-13 09:31:57 +0000 UTCI came in here to be like "oh they say thinga to fans in their own way... And" well basically every single thing that was said in this thread. So I'll just leave with. Good job Army's! Haha
Andredayyy
2022-02-14 03:38:31 +0000 UTCYEAH JERRICK IS SO HONEST THAT IT BUGS SOME PPL LOL.. WE LOVE IT... AND I BE TOO HYPE LOL
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-12 02:25:57 +0000 UTCIt was great to see Jerrick. His honesty adds a different level of spice to the conversation. And sometimes he just be talking out the side of his neck, but it is comedy gold.to me.lol I love it most when y'all have the full crew in-house. The comraderie and chaos is the most! And Nick, when you do your fanboy giggle, it's like you're channelling me...
Erin Lee
2022-01-11 20:21:26 +0000 UTCLEXI!!!
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-05 23:31:04 +0000 UTCGreat reaction guys! ๐๐
Lexi
2022-01-05 21:07:00 +0000 UTCI don't share your pov about the issue between James and Army...the other comments just express my exact toughts but I respect it guys, if is true that the death treaths are not ok AT ALL is also true that this "joke" James made was so uncall for...so unnecessary, the thing is that BTS and Army are been dealing with a lot of shit since always and is not the first time a "journalist" or "talkshow host" said those things about the fandom or even worst...about BTS....I guess if weren't something common between western media it won't be a big deal but is a problem that is been going around for ages, most of the time the western media just see the 1% of inmature side of the fandom and ignore the other 99% who does good things, are mature and support the guys...I am a 40 years old Army and normally I am out of all this drama and problems so I don't feel offended but I understand the backlash he received due of all this....on the other hand even when James is not my favorite person and I personally feel his "friendship" with BTS is not exactly genuine I have to admit his show promote the guys a lot in US and his segments are very clever and funny...but that's all, thank you guys for your honest toughts and reaction.
Kharys A
2022-01-04 02:15:27 +0000 UTC@Yasmine SB. It certainly could be an interesting debate. And again, thank you for voicing your views. I can agree that at times that aggressive behavior is indeed needed. Then of course, we'd have to collectively decide what situations would be okay to use that aggression towards. The difficult part is that not everyone would agree, but then, that's why we have these kinds of talks. To figure out a common ground that the majority of us can agree upon. It's certainly something that should be talked about more. @Hilary Angouing - Thank you for your kind words. ๐
ARMYnotArmy
2022-01-03 22:11:50 +0000 UTCBTW I appreciate your discussions. It always interesting to hear your perspectives. I don't mind when it ends up being long ones too.
Neringa
2022-01-03 22:11:13 +0000 UTCI think, I need to expand on the Namjoons 'appreciate' and having our backs. It's not him saying 'you send d threats and we are having your backs', it's him saying 'you got offended on ours and/or yours behalf and you explained why you find issues with the joke, so we have your backs'. He mentioned it not to only clean the air between them and James, saying that they are ok and moving on but to get somewhat apology for ARMY too and not to shut them. Because 'shuting them' would mean Namjoon, don't care for armys who got offended on theirs own/armys behalf. And that's never bts to shut armys feelings. But like with James and now somewhat with you, it's focused on the 'troll' part and not on people, who didn't find the joke funny and explained politely why, and people invalidating theirs feelings, because of trolls or because you didn't find joke offensive, isn't right.
Neringa
2022-01-03 21:49:42 +0000 UTCWe will Fatima ๐
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-03 21:36:26 +0000 UTCJerrick always gonna be honest ๐๐ฝ
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-03 21:35:33 +0000 UTCYour welcome ๐ค
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-03 21:34:51 +0000 UTC70% ? lmao you are reaching. Why are you even commenting under a BTS related video if you are going to hate, sounds like a anti thing to do...
laura
2022-01-03 20:04:03 +0000 UTCOk here comes the haters.. Tell me why are you now in our biz?.. You don't like BTS neither ARMY so why are you in this comments section?
Yasmine SB
2022-01-03 17:52:30 +0000 UTCYour comment is the best @ARMYnotArmy literally everything Iโve been saying over and over after this interview was aired
Hilary Angouing
2022-01-03 17:14:13 +0000 UTCExcept so many fandoms on the internet are exactly like the toxic set of army but everyone only expects BTS to "deal with their fans" like their fans are children and BTS are their parents. It's not BTS' job to parent their fans in the same way it isn't any artist's job to parent their fans. Everyone holds BTS and ARMY to these unrealistic expectations that no other group or fandom is held to just because of their size and its insane. It's not 70% of their fans that are nasty. They just have more fans than the average artist so you /see/ more of the nasty fans than you see with other artists. Especially within KPOP, these groups are not saying anything to their fans when they're sending BTS members death threats or being Xenophobic but all of a sudden BTS HAVE to call out their fans??? that's ridiculous and a double standard
LondonNicole
2022-01-03 16:08:56 +0000 UTCRight lol. I wish he'll be able to see the BTS live performances in the future!
Irina BM
2022-01-03 14:52:56 +0000 UTCI always enjoy your discussions, thank you! Can you please react to some BTS concert videos? Like their Dionysus live performance?
Fatima
2022-01-03 14:48:27 +0000 UTCI got you and I agree totally... This could be an interesting debate about the anger and how to express it according to the context... Of course all kind of threats are inacceptables but sometimes also all kinds of protestations are useful, and we learned that with the civilisations and communities history... When some cliches, micro-aggressions or even insults are repetitives, hitting the table even in an aggressive way may be necessary.. Ouch this discussion is so interesting. But I agree James is not a bad person and he deserve a second chance coz he's kind to BTS and vice versa
Yasmine SB
2022-01-03 14:00:20 +0000 UTCit's not silly. any of artist would call out fans for being racist, sexist, etc. The issue is BTS low-key has low-key presented themselves as people who don't tolerate any of that bigotry when a good 70% of their fans are nasty. We forgetting how y'all acted during Yoongi Jim Jones situation? Let's not act like BTS are complacent when it comes to how nasty their fans are.
Tiye Crews
2022-01-03 13:59:16 +0000 UTCI second the Jerrick thing. And I agree with you on the James and BTS things. It wasn't deserved, and BTS shouldn't have to scold those who make the conscious choice to be vindictive and malicious. ๐๐
ARMYnotArmy
2022-01-03 12:09:30 +0000 UTC@ Yasmine SB - I agree that James could have and most likely should have not mentioned ARMY as the ones who sent threats to him, simply because someone claims they're ARMY, unfortunately it isn't always true. As others have mentioned- we do get a lot of antis who portray themselves as ARMYs just to go and start drama with other groups fandoms or to just simply make ARMYs look bad by attacking anyone who says anything about BTS. And unfortunately, this isn't a problem that will go away anytime soon, if even at all. It's been happening since the get go and it will continue. Putting blame on BTS isn't the way, I agree with that as well. When they signed up for the Idol life, that does not include being held responsible for the actions of fans. Now, it's one thing if BTS were actively telling us to go send hate and 'destroy' one person or another. They're not though, if some fans choose to be hateful and do things like they did to James, that's on them for not caring enough to maybe stop and think outside themselves for a moment. Again, James shouldn't have mentioned the death threats since that only fuels certain people and he used ARMYs name which gets enough hate as is, adding negativity to it wasn't helping. That I can all agree with. Journalists don't help either and that's a whole other situation that I have problems with as well. My point simply was that it would have been better if James just didn't say anything. If he dismissed it, because perhaps in a way- those hateful people, wanted him to give them that attention. I also understand why BTS might have wanted to clear the air though. What I won't get behind is the anger that was aimed to the point of people trying to get James fired. No one has to like a joke or find a joke funny, but unless the joke is actually harmful/can cause harm to people.... then to dictate what is and what is not funny is just wrong. Comedy is subjective, people who put all their energy to getting someone fired for a lame joke like ones James makes just doesn't sit well with me personally. I would point more people towards 'UGH'. And have them really listen to the song. Maybe find a K-ARMY who can help them understand it better. My point though, was simply that this kind of thing happens and a lot of the time people will just jump on the bandwagon- or in this case- Hate waggon. Which did happen. I and others had seen people blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. And then after this interview some continued to be hateful. It's the same cycle. People have the right to feel however they feel- But to continue to be hateful, send hate, and even the few who were for some reason upset with BTS- I just don't understand people like that and to me, this was a very minor thing and it kind of overshadowed a lot of other things we collectively could have put that anger towards. Again, I understand the issue, but there is never an excuse for how people were behaving- mostly because they were sitting behind a screen and held no actual accountability- for now anyway. Again- this wasn't ARMY, people who behaved like that- were not ARMY. I'm not talking about the ones who voiced how they felt- I'm talking about the ones who showed malice and even now continue to show that hate. Now if people can just respect BTS's choice to continue to have their friendship with James. James has made them feel comfortable and has not done anything to them that has been hateful. BTS wanted to put this issue to rest, yet some are going to continue to dig at it. I didn't want to get into this, but this whole situation was like Deja vu for me twice over. I stayed away from it and simply lived my life. I knew those jokes were not aimed at me, they weren't aimed at anyone. It was comedy, I didn't find it funny but I also didn't feel a particular way. I rolled my eyes at the 15 year old comment and let it go because life was more important to me. But again, that's just me. I choose a logical standpoint first. I choose to look at things from all angles and if I can't understand something then I leave it as is. But again, the malice I will never get behind. Be upset, feel how you want, but don't direct those feelings in a hateful malicious way towards someone to that degree. If we act like this over a comedian's joke, then we're going in the wrong direction. That's my take on it. No one has to agree. I'm moving on from the topic because there is mixed company here as I knew there would be. I don't need to entice people more to hate me for my views. lol. I'll shut up now because I'm sure I've worded things weirdly. I haven't had my coffee yet. I do however want to thank you both for talking/ discussing these things and your viewpoints without the malice. I like being able to do things like this. I thank you for agreeing with some of my views, and it's perfectly fine for you to not agree with all of them. I'm thankful you've both been respectful and shared your views in a delightful way. So, thank you again. ๐๐๐
ARMYnotArmy
2022-01-03 12:06:04 +0000 UTCI thought your discussion was really interesting. I also wanted to say I enjoy listening to Jerrickโs perspective when he joins the discussions. I donโt always agree with him but I appreciate his honesty and his point of view.
Frances
2022-01-03 10:33:10 +0000 UTCThanks ๐ ๐๐
Suncedars Hul
2022-01-03 09:56:28 +0000 UTC๐๐๐
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-03 09:30:07 +0000 UTCHe be at work lol
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-03 09:29:08 +0000 UTCAgreed 10000%
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-03 09:23:44 +0000 UTCI think all fans should be treated equally and fairly. I agree we should ignore negatively but itโs probably more trolls out there than 1% lol.. Death threats arenโt cool at allโฆ BTS wouldnโt want that on anyoneโฆ Most stereotypical jokes are never funny to the stereotype but I understand what you mean. James should just know better honestly ๐
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-03 09:21:23 +0000 UTCARMYnotArmy, Like April I don't totally agree with you... Honestly James' jokes didn't offend me to the point of reacting or commenting so I watched from afar (and yet I'm in a good position to be offended), it's the fact that he explained himself by putting the pseudo-threats on the table which for me was definitely not innocent like "You threatened me so I'm going to expose you", he knew very well that it would lead to a generalization and lead to what he may have endured on the networks namely harassment and threats against ARMY and BTS, and that's exactly what happened to the point that even freelance journalists added fuel to the fire by saying that BTS lacked empathy. . In that James was irresponsible but I think that was the desired effect to get back at him... For my part it is what disappointed me the most and I think he could have chosen another speech. And no, even if the threats really came from the ARMYs, BTS doesn't have to feel responsible or to play the educator... Their messages speak for themselves and that's more than enough, and to say that is to put even more weight on their shoulders than what they already have to deal with every day... When BTS continually receives even more serious threats, we have never asked anyone to take responsibility.
Yasmine SB
2022-01-03 09:07:20 +0000 UTCI can respect that and I agree. If anything James should know better
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-03 08:58:59 +0000 UTCDot.... Thank you for saying the facts.. All you said is true and it upset me too especially when those who don't know us enough believe all these lies.
Yasmine SB
2022-01-03 08:25:21 +0000 UTCI understand. But, It's just important to understand that the sentiment goes both ways. ARMY is diverse. So, yes it's perfectly OK for 15 year olds to be proud of their interest and no one should demean that...but a large part of this fandom is much older than 15...and they shouldn't be demeaned either. So, ironically enough...one joke could be taken to do both. Because just as the joke was generalizing an entire fandom to the age of 15 it was also suggesting that 15 year old girls couldn't have an interest in the topics discussed at the UN. So, to me both implications are problematic. How can you be offended for one and not the other the other? That's a little like splitting hairs. Whether it was "unusual" or not to be at the UN, it was the gross generalization that was troublesome. Again, you don't have to be offended, but a lot of people were and their feelings were just as valid. Do I think an apology was necessary? No. I wish they didn't have to address it all. But I also wished the joke wasn't made as poorly as it was. So, this is not all ARMY fault here and I would be remiss to not point that out,
BTS Super Fan
2022-01-03 07:58:24 +0000 UTCOk, so about James Corden, I still think he didn't deserve this. His joke wasn't funny to me bc yes, it can reinforce the teen-girl stereotype about ARMY but to cancel him is actually building even more the image of the fandom being toxic, which could impact BTS in a negative way. Iโm embarrassed for our boys when the toxic side of the fandom is shown. In the end, the boys and Hybe know how to handle this. Also, there were way other american interviews where I felt the comments were more disrespectful and ignorant. I respect BTS for keeping a good relationship with James (whether it's business or friendship) but this is just my opinion. To me, he remains one of the first nice american talk-show hosts to welcome BTS in the West, along with Jimmy Fallon so I'm always thankful for that. Though I'm not saying the dead threats were coming from ARMY, as people explained already. And the fandom is so big to this day that it looks like most of them are toxic when it's only a small loud part compared to the actual respectful and positive fans. I wish we would focus more on the positive side of ARMY. Which is why, on the other hand, that interview quite annoyed me. For James to justify himself for 5 minute long wasn't necessary to me. And I don't think it was BTS' responsability to react to that, as you guys said. I get that James wanted to officially clear the air (I'm sure they already talked about it off camera) but that was so embarrassing to me. You can see that RM wanted to move on to the questions. Even during the rest of the interview, James was acting and trying way too much to please the members and it's just awkward. I hate watching this interview. I wish he would have focused more on them, on real questions than on this shit. Again, the more we talk about it, the more people generalize ARMY as a toxic fandom. This is why I agree with Curt, yes the questions weren't interesting. Although most of the talk-shows interviews are supposed to be short, light and entertaining. There aren't so much good deep interviews of BTS done in the US that I can mention actually. Jerrick, please always stay honest. As you said, I don't think you owe us any apology but I was just glad that you changed your mind on BTS. I agree that we need to educate people in a respectful way and I love that Jerrick stayed to react and learn as everyone should do :)
Irina BM
2022-01-03 05:01:30 +0000 UTC@Aprill Smith - I get what you're saying. And I didn't word things the best. I didn't mean to stay silent, I meant not to sink to that level, not to 'fight back with more malice'. That's what I meant and I am sorry I didn't word that better. I wasn't trying to be dismissive of everyone who found some reason to be upset with James. I get that the stigmatism- the 'only 15 year old girls would listen to that music' is not right. However I also am a believer that WE have the power to take that away. By that, I mean that negative notion that seems to be associated with it. I don't like how we sometimes react like it's a bad thing to be called a 15 year old. My niece is nearly 15 and she's quite a talented and smart young lady. I don't want her seeing comments - mind you not from everyone, but some who did react like being called a 15 year old was negative... what would that message be sending to other 15 year olds? That being a 15 year old is bad? We all know it's not, so we should instead take that 'power' away, shouldn't we? Maybe I'm over thinking it, maybe I'm wrong. But as a woman, I don't want to think being called a 15 year old is an insult. I also don't like those who use that to imply negative things. I'm not saying James's joke was innocent... but he's a comedian and I don't think he needed to apologize . Getting mad over the 'unusual' joke/comment though... that I will never understand how someone could get upset over when Unusal is the oposite of usual and getting mad over it implies that person who is mad thinks BTS are a usual guest at the UN, which would then diminish the fact that they are one of only a handful of artists who have performed at the UN. And I don't think those people understood that, and that was my whole point. I'm sorry if what I said didn't come through entirely and it's okay if you don't agree with everything I said. I stated my view. I would like to thank you for being calm and respectful as well as taking the time to voice your opinion on the matter. It's appreciated more than I can say. ๐ @Bangtan Motion Thank you, I didn't word it as good as I could have. These are just my views though. Others will have different ones and that's okay. We're all human, we don't have to agree on everything lol. Thank you for taking the time to read my post though. ๐๐๐
ARMYnotArmy
2022-01-03 04:38:53 +0000 UTCI agree with both of you. But thank you @ARMYnotArmy for saying this, I was actually waiting for your comment to know your opinion on this. Even though I'm a recent Army and I don't have all the infos, I'm glad we're on the same page.
Irina BM
2022-01-03 04:06:47 +0000 UTCAlso, to be clear, se real people who werethemost vocal about there disappointment were "veteran ARMY", those who have seen the struggles and were quite upset to STILL have todeal with it so casually. So, again, we should be careful not to be dismissive of others, no matter who they are.
BTS Super Fan
2022-01-03 03:14:09 +0000 UTCI agree with 90% of what you said but you shouldn't dismiss the ARMY who were upset because you weren't upset. I heard his joke but it didn't bother me. But as someone who helped organize ARMY donations to his charities from ADULT ARMY, I can see why some people were upset that it was coming from James. And whether you agree or not, their feelings were valid and I'm not going to get on patron in mixed company and act like they weren't. Also I saw death threats in the comments as well, several times and yes, as ARMY our method for handling them is to report them. However, I think we're at the point where we have to report them AND make it clear on Twitter that we don't support the statements, staying silent just gives antis more space and confidence to cosplay. Also. It doesn't help to say, "didn't see those"...tbecause they were there. As you mentioned, a significant portion wasn't ARMY, because we do have cosplayers....a LOT of them, but the person receiving them don't know that. And that type of response is never acceptable. So, it's our responsibility to at least try and let it be known that we don't support that as ARMY.
BTS Super Fan
2022-01-03 03:06:09 +0000 UTCHello, i know Christmas is over but i would apperciate it if you reacted to Stray Kids Christmas Evel and the opening for 2021 sbsgayo2021 all i want for Christmas!!!
Adrianna Sumlin
2022-01-03 02:54:50 +0000 UTCOh boy.... Well, since we're going there- I'm going to start off by saying something to those who think James didn't get death threats from people -He did, on twitter. He not only got death threats, but he also got told some really gross things about a friend of his who had recently passed. I'm sure it's all buried by now and I'm sure there were plenty in his DMs as well. The comment saying this happens and we ask for proof but no one provides any- All it takes is getting around to the twitter comments before those cowards claiming to be ARMYs delete them before they get reported to HYBE or Twitter. The reason why you might not see them is because ARMYs are ALWAYS reporting those kind of posts instead of responding. We've been doing this for years- it's a method we try to spread to others- DO NOT engage in those kinds of comments, just report them. Now- Do I think those were ARMYs? Hell no. First off, he never said all ARMYs are 15 year old girls- I don't think his jokes were funny but I also don't think he had anything to apologize for. His words were- "It's the first time 15 year old girls wished they were [insert the name of the politician here]" That's what he said.. I just can't remember the dude's name. And he might not be wrong because that dude was at the UN and got to be in the same room with BTS, so making that joke.... could have been funny to some. I personally didn't find it funny but I got the point of it. Those 'fans' who got upset and mad over James saying BTS was an unusual guest.... I swear those are the people who just want to be mad at something. BTS being at the UN is not Usual... Usual, means it's expected, it's common... I swear, I need to buy a ton of webster dictionaries and ship them to people over the internet. I don't want to be that Bitch, but none of those 'fans' who got mad don't know what it was like in the beginning.... hell look at what has happened even a year ago. There are actual things to get mad about and to voice our anger for. However, this... this was not one of them. Here's my whole opinion on things like this- As someone who's seen ARMYs grow in size I have not failed to see that pretty much from 2017 to now a pattern has become more clear in some people. When these new fans watch these videos that touch on BTS hardships, when they dive into the Rabbit hole that is BTS they grow fond of them, there's an emotional attachment there. It's not bad, but sometimes they take what they learn about how BTS was treated, all their personal and professional hardships that do get talked about (Trust me, we don't talk about all of them for reasons.) and they take it all to heart. They feel guilty or bad for not being there for BTS when they were struggling. They didn't know them so they couldn't send them things or send them messages of encouragement. Those feelings cause these people to feel like from the day they become ARMY and forward, they MUST do all they can to 'protect' BTS. they must defend them because no one else can or will- Only those people are wrong. They don't see how they can do more harm than good. BTS and BigHit.. now HYBE, are not incapable anymore. HYBE has a whole ass team of Lawyers who are working hard WITH ARMY to sue the pants off of these people who are trying to harm BTS, who try to defame them or make threats against them. It's now ARMYs time to report any of these wrong doings we see, not to engage and start acting like the immature children some people think ARMYs are. And I get it... I've acted out before. Sometimes it's hard to not say something to someone who's being disgusting or trying to spread hurtful rumors. But as I've gotten older I've found thanks to BTS I can step back, I can take a look at the situation and think rationally before sinking to that harmful level. I know it can be difficult to do, but I do hope more and more ARMYs and fans can let it go. I hate feeling like some people become overbearing because they feel guilty about not being there from the get go. Look, trust that those of us who were around- we did all we could okay. This doesn't make us any more special than any other ARMY though, this doesn't mean we are better. Sure, I experienced more. But I'm not any more special or better than someone who became an ARMY 2 seconds ago. To me, hell... forget to me.. to BTS there is no difference. ARMY is ARMY and they don't care when each of us took up that name. As for BTS speaking out against fans- they have in their own ways. But they also know what goes on and know when it's ARMY and when it's not ARMY. But because some actual ARMYs jumped on the hate wagon that rolled through on James- I think they might have wanted to bring it up for the interview. Another thing- I saw some ARMYs and fans acting like Namjoon roasted James- These shows are not on the fly, everything is planned out. So, BTS and James were well aware of the talk they were going to have and I think they might have had a shorter interview because they wanted to touch on that. And now.. I'm going to shut up, and I might get some hate for saying what I said, but I honestly don't care. I meant what I said and if those people can't let it go- want to hate on someone so badly... then fine, aim your hate at me. I can handle it. Thanks for the reaction. I'll continue watching all this great content. I keep saying thank you but... THANK YOU! ๐๐๐
ARMYnotArmy
2022-01-03 02:32:18 +0000 UTCJerric is never around when you do all the best BTS songs. He has missed so many bangers.
April Forgue
2022-01-03 02:16:19 +0000 UTCI don't enjoy comedians jokes. Especially late-night cimediabs...but that's me. Crazy how we can all feel differently, huh? As for this joke from this comedian....if you don't know the ARMY background with him, then you wouldn't understand why some were offended.
BTS Super Fan
2022-01-03 01:14:28 +0000 UTCAt the end of the day, BTS likes and respects James Corden. So for me, as ARMY, I support their goals and don't interfere with their professional relationships. As for James, I feel the same about him as I did before...fairly neutral. Moving on.
BTS Super Fan
2022-01-03 01:10:37 +0000 UTCBTS fans have literally partnered with James to help fund his charities. If ANYONE in the media should understand our diversity, it should have been him. So, his "joke" was in poor taste...especially given the context. And that's why a lot of ARMY was upset. If you're not ARMY...then you probably don't know enough to speak on it. That being said, death threats are never ok and I did see some of those. I also saw ARMY calling those people out...and that is what should happen. It's not BTSs responsibility to policemillions of people,especialy when 9 out of 10 times the agitators aren't even ARMY. There are entire group chats and accounts set up by Blinks with the ONLY purpose of pretending to be ARMY. And yes I called them by name because they brag about it on Twitter. Anyways, I'm going to leave this topic alone because the targeting of BTS and ARMY makes me extremely upset and it needs to stop.
BTS Super Fan
2022-01-03 01:05:58 +0000 UTCThe issue is, that when journalists and others says something unprofessional, or like in this case a joke, that some people didn't find it funny, they always focus on 1% trolls, but not on 99% constructive criticism given by ARMY. I don't find 14 hear olds girls joke funny. One because it's always used to drag ARMY. Second, it always was and still is used as discredit females interest, while boys are praised. Like look how people treat female fans of BTS or other artist and how people treat guys and theirs sports. Females emotions are mocked, while guys crying and screaming are OK. And I don't think that BTS ever address it publicly, nor they should because they know, how real ARMY is like. We have theirs back and they have ours. Acknowledging trolls only encourage them. That resent incident with Tae on weverse proves. If there is some issue, they will take care of it behind the scenes. And I think, Namjoon cleaning air is saying let's move on ARMY, but also showing they're having our backs too. Namjoon said 'We APPRECIATED your apology.', not accept, while James was just scrambling. When you make a joke about stereotype, you need to make sure they will laugh too.
Neringa
2022-01-03 00:26:15 +0000 UTCSorry but it's silly to say that BTS should feel responsible for some toxic fans acts, it's like saying that a community should be responsible for some criminals acts... it reminds me of some fascists claiming that all Muslims should be held responsible for terrorists acts and act accordingly with statements and demonstrations. When James Corden made his lame jokes, several ARMYs went through every comment under the video in question, there was absolutely no death threat and the majority tried to explain the problem with his jokes which were not only about the age of the fans but also mocking BTS's intervention at the United Nations, and everything was done respectfully, some were gross but really nothing serious. And let me tell you that every time someone complains about threats from the ARMYs, we ask for proof or screenshots and in 90% of the cases there is none, or else we find out that it's trolls or antis trying to smear the image of the ARMYs... Recently a journalist wrote an article belittling BTS, several ARMYs wrote essays tracing the problem with her article, she later claimed to have received threats by DMs and that she didn't want to show the screenshots, we asked for them and nada, and we later found out that she was a multi-fan who had criticized BTS several times online for singing in English but had said absolutely the opposite about her other favs when they have way more english tracks, and the worst thing is that she's asian-american ... Are we supposed to take the word of someone who has not shown good faith without proof???
Yasmine SB
2022-01-02 23:40:51 +0000 UTCI have been ARMY for a few years now and I am 52. I do find James joke off putting because as ARMY we fight so hard to break the stereotypes that people think of ARMY as all teenage fan girls which is so far from the truth. I don't think most of the hate comments were from ARMY. Just posers. I think who is BTS ARMY would be a great reaction to do by xceleste.
April Forgue
2022-01-02 22:59:11 +0000 UTCI have no preference. Others might.
Shell Whitt
2022-01-02 22:54:14 +0000 UTCFr ? ๐ฅฒ๐
Lo R46
2022-01-02 22:51:58 +0000 UTCWhat song ?๐
Lo R46
2022-01-02 22:49:05 +0000 UTCHonest question: Is there any joke about BTS that ARMY has NOT had issues with? I cannot think of a single one, at the top of my head. Personally, I give comedians a lot of slack, I'm a big fan of comedy central style roasts which do make fun a lot and most jokes can be considered offensive in some way. I go after comedians if they say racist/xenophobic things (like that German radio host who is no longer on the air)... However, a joke making fun of how passionate ARMY's younger fanbase can be? Doesn't bother me.
Chelsea
2022-01-02 22:23:26 +0000 UTCLMAO
keiran
2022-01-02 22:10:33 +0000 UTCI think when it comes to fandoms and Stanโs on social media itโs so nuanced. And if you are on the outside itโs hard to have these discussions in my opinion. Like what Lo was saying, people will do anything to make ARMY look bad. Even some ARMY because they like the attention and clout. Itโs a general consensus in ARMY that we do not do death threats but people will because they can hide behind an account that doesnโt connect them to anything in real life. Also understand media, and anyone ARMY tries to have a discussion with about genuine concerns will bring up death threats to ignore the issue that ARMY has just so they can play victim. Usually itโs very little threats or none at all. Thereโs so many moving parts to ARMY fandom. Iโm glad I follow sensible accounts on Twitter. Makes the experience so much better. Wish yโall had an ARMY at the table with yโall. ๐
Sharkie Miles
2022-01-02 22:08:24 +0000 UTCHe trying get signed off this
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-02 21:34:02 +0000 UTCAgreed 100%.. might throw DNA up there too
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-02 21:32:45 +0000 UTCHad a whole space 5k deep dragging BTS and being racist for something that an anti said, I've never seen so much bull in my life. Then only for it to come out that SZA was lying like we said she was from the start and you just hearing.... crickets. I'm sick.๐๐
dulseokbangtan
2022-01-02 21:32:20 +0000 UTCWe probably did lol
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-02 21:32:10 +0000 UTComgg that sza situation was sooo annoying other fandoms were still talking about it while we had already moved on lmaoooo
Ronii
2022-01-02 21:30:33 +0000 UTCLo got vocaaaaals
Iman
2022-01-02 21:30:04 +0000 UTCAhhh I think BTS had the biggest fanbase growth with 'Boy With Love' and 'Dynamite' I'm a dynamite army and so are most of my friends
Ronii
2022-01-02 21:28:07 +0000 UTCI think you guys confused Jimmy Kimmel with Jimmy Fallon lol. I personally prefer Jimmy Fallon and BTS interactions. I think he's very respectful and sweet and gave them a chance when they were just getting big in the U.S. however he's located in New York :( and the boys spend the most time in L.A.
Ronii
2022-01-02 21:25:22 +0000 UTCRight lol..
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-02 21:17:01 +0000 UTCI've only been ARMY since just before DYNAMITE, but BTS doesn't appear to ever tell fans to chill. But it does seem coincidental that when ARMY seems to be acting up, they post pictures to distract us.
Nellie Z
2022-01-02 21:08:35 +0000 UTCI understand from your prospective Kem. Hopefully moving forward James and other people know to relax on some of the jokes and hopefully the trolls relax too
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-02 21:06:48 +0000 UTCRight lol
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-02 21:05:08 +0000 UTCI really enjoyed your conversation. I am a little older than you guys and I do feel that the culture today has difficulty handling challenges and/or constructive criticism. I think the problems some ARMY may have had with James Corden is the fact that he knows BTS and the wide diversity in the fan base, that he could have joked about something else or commended BTS on their accomplishment of being ambassadors to the president and speaking at the UN for a second time. Any ARMY can correct me if I'm wrong. And I do believe people should be given second chances. Even BTS has faced criticism from past mistakes which they learned from and grew as people and artists.
Kem Johnson
2022-01-02 20:48:51 +0000 UTCHaha Lo singing is pretty much all of us when butter comes on. ๐๐พ๐๐พ๐๐พ
Charity Begay
2022-01-02 20:48:38 +0000 UTCEven with fanwars, it's antis cosplaying as armys to start foolishness. It happened with SZA (even though she lied) and it happens with other idols. Fanwars never make sense to me cause our faves clearly fw each other, so why are we beefing.
dulseokbangtan
2022-01-02 20:38:09 +0000 UTCI'm with you on that. I would like to see a Redemption 46 BTS cover.
Kem Johnson
2022-01-02 20:36:01 +0000 UTCLol weโll be in the studio soon
Redemption 46 Studios
2022-01-02 20:35:02 +0000 UTCyup!! I never saw any death threats but most of the time the death threats and extreme comments don't even come from army and are from trolls, and other fandoms that pretend to be army they always do this to make us look bad and set us up.
Summer
2022-01-02 20:30:33 +0000 UTCRM 100% addressed the bs for ARMYs sake, and as Lo said alot of the death threats and extreme comments weren't even from ARMYs, other fandoms cosplay as army accounts whenever something negative is happening to make us look bad. Like real ARMY gave him the side eye but we don't support those kinds of behaviors. I'm not completely absolving ARMY of accountability tho cause we take things too seriously and are a little overprotective of the guys sometimes because we're not used to how fake LA culture is, as alot of the hosts the boys get interviewed by in Korea do genuine research and are even friends with the boys.ย BTS also paged James before on being fake, when BE came out, Jimin asked him to name any other song that wasn't Dynamite and he couldn't. BTS addresses alot of slander that ARMY receives, especially RM. For example when he paged Billboard for them saying ARMY mass streams is the only reason the boys chart, when really it was xenophobia and trying to punish the boys for having a loyal fanbase. Anyways I'm still glad they addressed it just to clear the air.
dulseokbangtan
2022-01-02 20:19:00 +0000 UTCOk. I'll ask for a Redemption 46 BTS cover? Anyone? Anyone?
Shell Whitt
2022-01-02 19:57:34 +0000 UTC
