The B.E.E. Podcast - 7/12/21 - Quentin Tarantino Returns - SILVER
Added 2021-07-13 00:00:02 +0000 UTCBret takes a new approach to his relationship with Robert Mallory as the two head to Bel Air for Terry's party in Part 23 of The Shards. Quentin Tarantino and Bret discuss novelizing Once Upon a Time... In Hollywood, the appeal of problematic fictional characters and revising the narrative of a tragic Hollywood icon.
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Michael MacGowan
2022-01-12 21:09:52 +0000 UTCYes! <i>The Boys in Company C</i> is a precursor to <i>Full Metal Jacket</i>...and a better film. Kubrick kinda ripped it off. That was a real revelation a couple of years ago.
Antonio Primavera
2021-12-20 21:46:33 +0000 UTCToday’s Rockstar directors: Gaspar Noe • Ari Aster • Safdie Brothers • Nicolas Winding Refn (meh *even though he isn’t a “new” director, DRIVE and Neon Demon have launched him into a rock star director of today, millennials really dig him) • Luca Gaudagnino. (Suspiria remake) • David Robert Mitchell • Robert Eggers • Jordan Peele • Yargos Lanthimos • Denis Villeineve • Panos Cosmatos (Mandy) • Greta Gerwig • :/
Danny Baich
2021-09-10 02:50:13 +0000 UTCWow. Best chapter yet and that’s a high bar!!!
Matt Brown
2021-08-30 06:08:24 +0000 UTCbru no one liked dashas film, shes derivative
Tramp Stamp
2021-08-21 16:45:26 +0000 UTCSafdies are today’s rock star directors duh
Elizabeth
2021-08-01 20:33:15 +0000 UTCBig Red Scare fan here and Bret's already had Anna on the Podcast - so lets hope he has Dasha on too if she's about in LA.
Bazayer
2021-07-30 19:47:06 +0000 UTCAny other Red Scare fans on here? Feel like Dasha Nekrisova, as she’s already an important cultural figure for a certain group of millennials, could become today’s version of a rock star director (can practically hear her laughing at being called that). “The Scary of 61st” got unanimous rave reviews out of the Berlinale and just as many comparisons to Polanski.
Ryan
2021-07-28 10:48:04 +0000 UTCI love the fact B.E.E & Q.T. are big fans of 1941 as I am.
Ian Isom
2021-07-24 22:35:09 +0000 UTCFantastic episode; both The Shards and of course the master QT. I could listen to Bret and Quentin talk movies forever. And I love that Tarantino is a fan of the podcast!
Karl Johansson
2021-07-24 21:54:35 +0000 UTCI have such an odd relationship where I've seen all of Tarantinos movies except Hollywood years after they were released but really enjoyed all of them. Just no motivation
Mike Goulis
2021-07-24 16:05:42 +0000 UTCThese kind of episodes really make up for some of the weaker ones. Really great stuff, I even enjoyed hearing QT talking about watching stuff with his son plus he listens to The Shards!
Dan Zilic
2021-07-23 21:24:18 +0000 UTCWhen do they talk about Kubrick do you have a time stamp??!
Tyler Lyons
2021-07-22 23:15:12 +0000 UTCWhen do they start talking about KUBRICK?! PLEASE and thank you :-)
Tyler Lyons
2021-07-22 23:14:25 +0000 UTCThe podcast –talking about movies- is more interesting than most movies themselves.
Michael Walsh
2021-07-22 13:30:30 +0000 UTCThe Shards is fucking amazing
Grant
2021-07-22 06:15:03 +0000 UTCSomeone made a great thread about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/BEEPodcast/
Dirk
2021-07-21 22:02:33 +0000 UTC“Typical ‘50s melodrama.” Tarantino should not be allowed back until he’s seen Hitchcock’s best movies post-when he was 19 or 20. At least he has come to realize his adulation of Pauline Kael overly affected his appraisal of Brian De Palma’s derivative ass.
LM
2021-07-20 23:34:31 +0000 UTCIt makes no difference but if the second part of the interview is unofficial, why wasn't the question about the Eagles at the end of the first part?
Jorge Espinha
2021-07-20 22:59:12 +0000 UTCYep that's the weakness of the story being real thing. He should have said that he lost the tape between moving from LA-Uni-NY.
Jorge Espinha
2021-07-20 22:56:05 +0000 UTCI've seen the movie many years ago so I might misremembered it a bit. But I came away with the notion that the movie had 2 parts the first party played like a comedy and the second like a horror movie. I also recall one of the best lines ever MG climbing on top of a motorcycle and saying "I like big things between my legs". It sounded cool then.
Jorge Espinha
2021-07-20 22:52:16 +0000 UTCGreat comment. Thank you
Jorge Espinha
2021-07-20 22:46:42 +0000 UTCGreat pod, Bret
Tommy Stronach
2021-07-20 22:36:00 +0000 UTCanyone else worried that bob mallory just finally went apeshit and murdered the Schaffer's dog in front of all these celebrities?
Collin Myers
2021-07-20 18:59:37 +0000 UTCI'm not a fan of audiobooks either, but if they were all as compelling as The Shards I think I'd feel differently. The episodes in Palm Springs and with the tape sent chills through me in a way the printed page never could. I appreciate your presentation of the novel in this fashion and will truly be sorry when it's over. I'm curious to read the book when published to see if I have the same reactions I did while listening. And lest anyone say "it won't be the same; you've already heard the story" this is a book I will read more than once and will listen again before it's removed. So I will see. Thank you for this.
E
2021-07-20 14:41:05 +0000 UTCHe is probably too refined to be a 'rockstar' but Christopher Nolan can still generate ticket sales with his name alone. I am not a Gen-Zer so maybe it's different with them, but millenial males worshipped his movies when I was at university, and I saw dozens of Inception, Memento, and Heath Ledger's Joker posters on bedroom walls between 2012-2015 when I was a student.
Nick Earl
2021-07-20 11:38:23 +0000 UTCI personally think that Quentin is being pretty selective about directors and the quality of their work as their career goes on. I'm sure there's plenty of examples of declining work, but I don't think that's always the norm. Scorsese and Eastwood come to mind without even having to think about it. Sam Mendes just made by far his best film, Mank may have been more of a personal project for Fincher but he's still as strong as ever. I get Mendes and Fincher are much younger than Eastwood and Scorsese but it doesn't seem like there's any reason for them to hang it up any time soon. While I think Quentin is awesome, I don't think his filmography is necessarily perfect either. Inglourious Basterds, Django, and Hateful 8 aren't anywhere near the quality of Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Kill Bill Vol.1, and OUATIH. All of his movies are good but some are homers while others are solid hits. Arthur Penn is an interesting case because he's from a generation of directors who were more about getting up in the morning and directing rather than being the "auteur." Sidney Lumet reminds me of that as well. He had his masterpieces but would direct films just because he liked to work even if he knew they weren't going to be his best stuff. Like Penn, he got his start directing tv as well as some theater productions. Penn's last real gig was directing Law & Order episodes, which made sense, and was kind of cool that he went back to his roots to end his career.
Alex Waller
2021-07-19 05:07:20 +0000 UTCJust listened to another podcast where Tarantino discussed the best final films from different directors and was surprised when no one mentioned eyes wide shut. Now I know why!
peter
2021-07-18 22:00:05 +0000 UTCHow many people have looked up Buckley Yearbook photos? What did 'Terry Shafer' think of BEE making the big time? The movie adaption of LTZ? It's got to be real, right? So - Robert either dies, or disappears ...?
JEREMY ROBERTS
2021-07-18 19:32:24 +0000 UTCSo awesome that QT listens to the pod.
Tom Davidson
2021-07-18 05:24:29 +0000 UTCYeah, I was in college not too long ago and can attest to this. It's true that the rise of streaming and tv/streaming upping its game with prestige series whether they be ongoing or mini, has cut into the popularity of the theater going experience. Add in that home viewing has gotten way better and that theater going experiences haven't improved much in 30 years, and there's just not a captive audience anymore for the cinematic experience. However, that doesn't mean there aren't people enjoying films other than the avengers, cause there are and they're a wide variety of ages.
Alex Waller
2021-07-17 16:14:32 +0000 UTCFor everyone looking to fill in some gaps : Knife in the Water, Polanski's first feature from '62
Virgin Marie
2021-07-17 08:29:53 +0000 UTCRe: SOMETHING WILD…has been a favorite since my mom took me to see it (very thankful to have had a mom with ‘arthouse’ taste) and there are a few more bizarre story/character problems besides the one QT mentioned. The one that’s always sort of bothered me the most is Melanie Griffith’s character’s reaction to her discovery that Jeff Daniels’ has been lying to her about still being married. Why the fuck would she care? Or if she did, THAT much? And little cheap narrative moving devices like MG’s address being in the reunion book, Ray Liotta’s character hotwireing an (unlocked) car in like five seconds, his ease at finding Charlie’s house etc. But they’ve never really bothered me vs. the overall amazing experience of the movie, just it’s COOLNESS. The convenience store robbery sequence…it’s just thrilling filmmaking. And the breakthrough performance of Liotta…Jesus Christ. Soundtrack is killer too, was on heavy rotation on cassette in my car in the day.
MikeE
2021-07-16 20:52:06 +0000 UTCGreat to see the late Charles Willeford name checked. Wonder if Bret or Quentin caught the recent movie of his 1971 novel “The Burnt Orange Heresy”? I was planning to see it at a cinema, but it got lost in the Corona Virus lockdown shuffle, so ended up with the US dvd. Great cast! Claes Bang, Elizabeth Debicki, Donald Sutherland and, in some left field casting, Mick Jagger, who is great as a creepy art dealer who sets the plot in motion. Screenwriter Scott B Smith moves the action from Florida to Italy and cleverly updates Willeford’s book to now, but it feels like a classic 70’s or 80’s crime drama. Recommended. Also pleased to hear Bret share the love for “ Who’ll Stop the Rain”, which was known everywhere else as “Dog Soldiers” after the Robert Stone novel it was based on. Why they changed the title just because they put a Creedence Clearwater Revival song on the soundtrack we’ll probably never know? Must have hurt the box office ( like changing Red Dragon to Manhunter…great idea Dino…goodbye audience). I saw “ Dog Soldiers” twice when it was released and managed to grab the Twilight Time Blu-ray release a few years ago. As Amazon have recently acquired the MGM back catalogue it will probably turn up on Prime. Makes a great double bill with “ Cutters Way”. I agree the cliffhanger ending to The Shards chapter was not a good idea as the next chapter is two weeks away and I won’t be holding my breath but it’s always nice to hear from Quentin. I have his new book and as soon as I finish “ On The Trail of The Serpent: the life and crimes of Charles Sobhraj” I shall devour it. BTW has Bret seen the BBC/ Netflix series The Serpent and what did he think? Did he attend that preview of “Man of Wrath”? Let’s get some feedback on what is around and worth seeing. It’s not all negative stuff out there post Trump, post Lockdown. Lol!
Philip Huntley
2021-07-16 07:02:33 +0000 UTCI don’t know if I will be the only one to feel this way, but I find that if you end an episode this way with a cliffhanger, you pull the reader out of the « real story » vibe you are trying to create and you make him feel like he has been listening to fiction :) The reader knows deep down that he is listening to fiction but he’s willing to buy into the « real » vibe you are giving him, but if you start an episode with a talk that says how real it is and then end the episode with a fiction trick, the process cancels itself…
spider
2021-07-15 21:08:03 +0000 UTCGreat ep. I’m an adolescent Xer and my millennial girlfriend and I laughed so hard and out loud when Quentin totally silenced Bret as he questioned the likelihood of this story being completely factual, punctuated with ‘EAT IT! EAT IT!’. We can’t stop saying this phrase at every meal or to our pets. It’s the ‘Where’s the beef?’ of Summer ‘21 for sure. ADAM: Oh, pretty please post a list of all the movies referenced. With sugar on top?
George Quartz
2021-07-15 17:37:14 +0000 UTCIt’s sounds like QT and BEE have been friends for 40 years. Nice dynamic between the two.
Knokkel knokkel
2021-07-15 13:56:32 +0000 UTCSublime interview, I didn’t want it to end. However, while I don’t expect QT to ever change his opinion, I wonder if he knows that Taxi Driver, a film he admires, is heavily influenced by both Vertigo - a haunted man's obsessive pursuit of blonde woman (Madeleine/Betsy), who he loses then has second chance by pursuing her ‘double’ (Judy/Iris) and The Searchers - a bigoted war veteran’s obsessive pursuit of a white girl held captive by enemy (Scar/Sport).
Paul Richardson
2021-07-15 12:34:55 +0000 UTCI gasped when you mentioned the new poster in Debbie's room.
Arch Friend
2021-07-15 12:03:18 +0000 UTCThe second unofficial part of the Tarantino interview was way better! So much more relaxed, flowing and Tarantino allowed to speak more. Also v cool Tarantino a fan of The Shards!
David
2021-07-15 08:14:42 +0000 UTCCan't believe tarantino hasn't seen the seventh seal.... on another note, I just finished his novel and really enjoyed it.... Great podcast episode guys. Thanks.
The Dude
2021-07-15 05:28:25 +0000 UTCGreat chapter and conversation.
Christopher Jones
2021-07-14 22:25:29 +0000 UTCLargely agree, especially wrt the Versace series.
Michael Walsh
2021-07-14 17:32:22 +0000 UTCIf my answers frighten you Vincent then you should cease asking scary questions.
Dirk
2021-07-14 16:41:02 +0000 UTCSadistic and tragically straight dudes like yourself? Whaaaaa?
Joe Paluck
2021-07-14 16:32:39 +0000 UTCBrilliant episode, both Quentin and the Shards. I love it when Bret really gets on with a guest and has shared interests - it throws up moments of anecdotal hilarity from his life, like on the Joel Stein episode a few years ago when he told the story of having to pretend to have a girlfriend to stop his gay masseuse hitting on him or the evening he took ecstasy at a performance of ‘Starlight Express’ in the mid 80s. It’s just nice to hear two people talking who like each other and are having an interesting conversation with no other agenda. Helps I’m a movie fan I guess. Bravo.
James__
2021-07-14 14:42:30 +0000 UTCLove the fact that Bret having Roger Avary on - and QT listening - is what re-initiated their friendship, and is going to lead to a TARANTINO AND ROGER AVARY PODCAST! 🔥
Reservoir Frog
2021-07-14 14:32:37 +0000 UTCJoin the podcast Facebook group. There are fine people over there compiling lists on Spotify.
Pp358
2021-07-14 14:15:04 +0000 UTCCould a list of songs and movies mentioned thru out the podcast be part of the pledge ‘receipt’ just before the next episode?
Kerry
2021-07-14 12:04:43 +0000 UTCIt’s a real privilege to be a fly on the wall while these titans of culture chew the fat. Quentin can get along affably with anyone on these interviews but he seems to converse with Bret with extra relish. I remember thinking both universes were intrinsically linked ever since the title card for the Rules of Attraction trailer that declared it was from the corrupt minds who brought you Pulp Fiction and American Psycho. So fitting to learn they’re both named after tv cowboys.
Jon A.
2021-07-14 06:33:26 +0000 UTCI hope this isn't taken as a bad thing, but this does feel like BEE's first 'gay (horror) novel'. Why does it feel that way to me? Well, it's the sentiments you picked up on as being 'very personal', and more obviously it is the graphic sex (esp. analingus) that will be alienating to a lot of straight men, when they pick it up in novel format. Having said that, it is still very enjoyable to me, just as the Killing Versace series was very artful and enjoyable. A new Shards is one of the things I look forward to every other week. Someone here said that BEE mythologizes and immortalizes a certain group of privileged kids in a certain time and place--and that is a big part of the appeal. It's a love letter to the cocaine '80s--a place and time many of us that are too young to have experienced wish we had. But now I fully understand his statement that in 'coming out' people would have read American Psycho differently. I agree. I don't believe he would have been stuck in the 'gay literature' ghetto though (another concern he expressed)--that I do not agree with. His novels are too good and have too much appeal with a lot of sadistic and tragically straight dudes like myself. Besides, the g-mafia would have kicked him out of that section.
Dirk
2021-07-14 03:05:13 +0000 UTCKIDS THESE DAYS.
Jonathan Davis
2021-07-13 22:31:59 +0000 UTCBret you should release the QT part as a freebie.
Jon A.
2021-07-13 21:06:38 +0000 UTCThe Shards is the best thing to happen to the pod. And I have been listening since early Podcast One days.
Graeme
2021-07-13 20:40:29 +0000 UTCYes. And 'cynical'. Gen X is 'cynical'.
Dirk
2021-07-13 19:34:27 +0000 UTCYeah, I certainly have no shame in being millennial but wouldn't mind having the generation being broken up a bit, just to put an end to this gen x is small, rebellious, and unique and millennials are a huge group of anonymous followers narrative. Don't get me wrong, I fully recognize gen x's contributions and a huge percentage of my favorite music, films, and books are by gen x. I do think they got it right in many ways. But at the same time its annoying
Alex Waller
2021-07-13 19:19:32 +0000 UTCYou're a very young millennial so there will be some overlap with the 'old' (lol) Zoomers. We can remedy this by labeling a microgeneration between the two. Be happy you aren't technically a Zoomer; I know Zoomers that are embarrassed to be. At least some of your interests (this forum) make sense, given your cohort. Gen Z definitely have different cultural touchtones vs Millennials, except where (like Xenials) you have some overlap with very young Millennials and old Zoomers. 16-20 year olds are culturally distinct from 30 something millenials--and many millenials are in their 30s now (and even older). After '96 is Gen Z, not Millennial. Boomers and Xers think any person that isn't obviously 'old' is millennial, but they aren't.
Dirk
2021-07-13 18:41:32 +0000 UTCThis is the issue with generations. I'm under the millennial label but in my 20s and went to high school, college, and now work with people who would be considered z. Yet I'm somehow supposed to have more in common in general with people born well over a decade before me, and less supposedly less in common with people who I grew up with.
Alex Waller
2021-07-13 17:54:55 +0000 UTCNo Belle de Jour? The Last Emperor?
Dirk
2021-07-13 17:47:16 +0000 UTCAs someone who is currently a student at a liberal arts college, I can say, most people in their dorms and apartments have posters of films like Uncut Gems, Midsommer, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Are there people who have Marvel movie posters? Yes. But it’s not just strictly those movies.
Maxwell Rinehart
2021-07-13 17:10:47 +0000 UTC4 hours and 11 minutes of The Shards and QT. Awesome!
David Willis
2021-07-13 17:01:57 +0000 UTCUsually considered people born on or after '96. The 25 and younger crowd. The people that made Youtuber trolls like Jake Paul the new 'celebrities'. I call them the jump-cut generation. Millennials (born '81-'96), the oldest of which might be called 'Xenials' (bordering Gen X and sharing some memories with them), can be as old as 40-41 now, and many are mid 30s.
Dirk
2021-07-13 16:49:43 +0000 UTCIt's amazing to me to think that QT turned his love and enthusiasm for bad movies into the capacity to make really good movies. That's a type of alchemy--recycling cinema S to gold.
Dirk
2021-07-13 16:45:14 +0000 UTCGreat SHARDS. It feels very personal to me as another Xer that was a gay teen (in the mid-late 80’s, in suburban Chicago) and who moved to LA at 21 and lived worked in Hollywood for 21 years. I was the Tangible Participant for the entirety of my life until moving to LA, with only one awkward, shame-filled (on his part) fling with another guy the entire time as a senior in college. That detachment, all those thoughts and feelings that must be kept to yourself, absolutely inform who you are, and do the rest of your life. And that’s why so many are drawn to LA and showbiz, and fit right in, a place where lying and playing roles all day and compensating for your shame scarred identity by being ‘somebody’ and being awful to ‘get even’ with the world are the norm. One gets from art what they get. Again, I’m both looking forward to the end because I want to find out how it all resolves but also know I’ll feel the sadness of a book one’s really enjoying coming to an end. I love that you’re narrating it, one because I get audiobooks anyway now generally and two, as it’s such a personal tale.
MikeE
2021-07-13 15:18:14 +0000 UTCBest podcast episode ever! Magnificent 3rd act!
Andrew Hannaker
2021-07-13 13:26:04 +0000 UTCHOLY SHIITTTTT - TARANTINO, FUCK YEAH!!! Can’t wait to listen to this after work! 🥃🥃🥃🔥🔥🔥
Reservoir Frog
2021-07-13 09:18:40 +0000 UTCLoving these longer chapters of The Shards - I think whole thing is up there with his best work. Like he said in the intro, I can't wait for the opportunity to read it, but also very into listening to it.
Arieh Offman
2021-07-13 08:14:04 +0000 UTCYes, today’s movies aren’t the greatest, but this podcast is - plus we can always watch again Road Games or The Swimmer or something.
Ski Milius
2021-07-13 05:38:07 +0000 UTCA second appearance by QT!!! Let’s goooo! Excited to listen to this. Thanks Bret 🙏🏼
Raffi N
2021-07-13 05:22:18 +0000 UTCHell yeah, I'm so glad he stopped by again. He and Bret conversate so damn well because they share the same very obscure interests in film and film criticism But I'm astounded to hear Quentin's blindspots- he hasn't seen Eyes Wide Shut, The Wicker Man, or (one of my faves) Cries and Whispers??!
David Morgan-Brown
2021-07-13 05:10:53 +0000 UTCwhat age is zoomer compared to millennial? I've lost track of it.
Alex Waller
2021-07-13 05:07:07 +0000 UTCSaving Brandy from dogfights is the only possible answer involving dog fights
Alex Waller
2021-07-13 05:05:44 +0000 UTCThanks for the extra Bret & Adam
Fernando
2021-07-13 05:00:16 +0000 UTCI'm hoping that he saved Brandy from dog fights, and that's how he acquired her. But I don't think they use female dogs in dog fights, anyway. Maybe a dog fighter can confirm.
Dirk
2021-07-13 04:47:02 +0000 UTCSpeaking as a millennial, we're becoming 'old.' And the zoomers have even worse attention span. I talked to a zoomer girl recently and she practically spoke in emojis and pop music sound bites.
Dirk
2021-07-13 04:46:16 +0000 UTCQT and The Shards for FOUR HOURS! Christams came early this year 💙
Mikael Pawlo
2021-07-13 03:19:36 +0000 UTCI had already suspected that THE SHARDS was an alt-historyversion of whatever murder mystery occurred during Bret's high school years, but Bret's love of Tarantino's Once Upon In Hollywood confirms this suspicion.
Edi Panta
2021-07-13 03:16:04 +0000 UTCGreat Shards but too much of a cliffhanger
MITCHELL SILVERMAN
2021-07-13 03:14:40 +0000 UTCWHAT?!!!! QT AGAIN ! Killing it !!!!!! Yes Sir. Best podcast
Seneca Garcia
2021-07-13 03:08:39 +0000 UTCHappy that Quentin is back. I'm with Bret on Devs. Quentin, you may have written the characters, but you can't convince me that Cliff Booth killed his wife, and you'll absolutely never convince me that Cliff would ever put Brandy in a dog fight.
Alex Waller
2021-07-13 02:24:01 +0000 UTCTodd is Todd and his interest or lack of interest in certain films or film in general is by no means indicative of what others in a huge and arbitrary age bracket think. Plus it seems like a pastoral fantasy that all teenage gen-x-ers lined up with excitement to see the French new wave or whatever. Maybe that happened in LA where you're living in the heart of the film business, but that seems a bit like rose colored glasses to me. Great podcast though, nice to have Quentin back on.
Alex Waller
2021-07-13 02:03:29 +0000 UTC🎟
Ant
2021-07-13 01:45:52 +0000 UTCShards and QT! Fuck right. Can’t wait. 🤗
Patrick
2021-07-13 01:01:57 +0000 UTCSo cool. I haven’t listened to it yet, but I couldn’t have hoped for a better guest. With The Shards as an always excellent appetizer!
Jim Weaver
2021-07-13 00:22:02 +0000 UTCLoved The Shards and loved the interview, but I wish Bret would stop using Todd as a yardstick for how millennials think and act. Not being able to watch a movie in one sitting sounds more characteristic of ADHD.
Tom
2021-07-13 00:17:51 +0000 UTCWoah. You know I had a feeling he might return this week
Chase
2021-07-13 00:01:40 +0000 UTC
