DITW 13-7: Unholy
Added 2024-02-15 20:49:41 +0000 UTCThe lure to stay away from home was strong. She saw why Josh couldn’t resist it. Saw why Josh fled to Meyer’s and wouldn’t tell her where he was. Because it was easy. It was safe. Nothing bad could happen when you avoided the confrontation altogether.
She opened the apartment door, feeling prepared for what she might find. Maybe Josh would have trashed the place; upended their TV, sliced their upholstery with a butcher knife, set her clothes on fire. That could be the worst, so she started there and made her preparations on a down-sliding scale. She knew he was home. He hadn’t cut her off from his Find My Phone this time. It was a good sign, but more likely that he just hadn’t thought of it yet.
But the apartment looked preserved. Straight ahead, her father’s photo of the Lungshan Temple, straight and square, not knocked askew nor smashed on the floor. The TV was off in the living room, but upright and unmarred. First instinct would be relief, but then again, there was still so much to account for, and maybe if the apartment had been trashed she would find Josh exhausted, spent, tossed on the floor and looking for compassion. The Josh she had witnessed in the hotel room was terrifying. But in the best way she could imagine. That Josh didn’t take shit from Devlin. Didn’t balk. Didn’t cower. It was welcome to see, in a strange, sick way, but terrible to think how much he’d been damaged in order for that savage Josh to have no more kindness blocking him from action. She and Devlin had turned him into a cornered, feral animal.
Josh met her in the hallway entrance, the two of them coming together in front of the kitchen pass-through. Josh was still dressed in his suit jacket and pants. He looked better than ever: that new haircut, no longer a boy, but now a man; his expensive suit she’d cloaked him in; and a wonderful angry wildness in his eyes. Josh was a man possessed with determination. He’d been in their bedroom, had heard her come into the apartment, and strode out to meet her, an argument already on his lips.
He jabbed a finger at her. “You know what I said to myself? To defeat a demon, become a demon. I’ll be as stone cold as you are. Nothing will affect me, I said. I had no idea...” He shook his head—not despondent, but bewildered. “No idea at all.”
“You certainly became a demon,” she said.
“I went in thinking I was a demon, Kimmy. This is what I’m saying. Thinking I could overcome your crimes, rise above them if I somehow donned a mantle of pretend nobility, that if I could be the one in charge, then I could fool myself into thinking I’d always been the one in charge. But, but...”
She slung her purse to the couch. “You can pretend your responsibility was nothing, but it wasn’t, Josh—you weren’t always in charge, but sometimes you were. Sometimes you made—”
“You can’t put this on me. I’m not stupid. You’re not smarter than I am. You betrayed me.”
She hugged herself, slumping against the counter’s high edge and looking down. “I did. I betrayed you. And I regret it, Josh. I...”
Josh walked away. She followed, all the way down the hall, to the right, to the left and into the bedroom. Josh went into the closet and she stood by the corner of the bed. He had suitcases out and was in the process of filling them with her clothing.
“I regret it,” she said, a fear rising up now that she might not have this tiger by the tail, that all the worst things she could imagine might come true.
Josh tossed an armful of clothing to the bed. She stepped to block the doorway. He’d hunched, looking for more of her things to toss, but he stood up now and faced her.
“I said I regret it, Josh. I’m sorry. It never should have happened.”
Josh’s expression didn’t change. He said, “Did I fail you?”
She shook her head. “No. No, you didn’t.”
His eyes flinched, like he was trying to make sense of her answer. “Then do you hate me?”
“I love you, Josh. You’re everything to me.”
He laughed and shook his head. Looked for more things of hers to haul out and cast away. She went to him, afraid to touch him, but knowing she wanted to be close. “I do, Josh. I love you. I never didn’t love you. I never once cared about Devlin. Not even for a minute.”
Josh groaned a creaky Oh my god and rolled his eyes. She said, “What? It’s true, Josh. I swear.”
He shook his head. “You tell yourself—and you tell me—you hate Devlin. But you only do that because it makes what you’ve done more palatable.”
“I know what you’re saying, but I’m not lying, Josh, I’m not.”
He looked at her. “If Devlin behaved himself, if he did what you wanted him to do, if he didn’t fuck it up by taunting me behind your back, tell me this: how deep would I be in your game right now?”
Her shoulders slumped, and she played dumb. “What game?”
“You were gaming me, you were gaming Devlin. If you hate Devlin, then why do you do the same thing to me? And worse. You had a fucking affair with the one guy I hate most in the world.”
“That’s because of you. That’s because it means something to you...”
“What does it mean to me, Kimmy? What the hell does it mean?—it means he’s the worst guy you could fuck behind my back.”
“No, that makes him the best.”
“Oh my god,” he said, stepping away from her like she was toxic. “The best guy you could fuck behind my back? Like, what the fuck are you saying? Like this was good for me?”
“No, Josh, no, that’s not what I mean. Devlin’s a piece of shit, he’s—”
“I know he’s a piece of shit, Kimmy. What the fuck? You don’t need to tell me that. This isn’t some grand revelation. I told you he was a piece of shit. I told you not to take that job. But you . . . You just had to take the fucking job.”
“I did have to take the job, Josh. I took it for us, I—”
“Us? You destroyed us. You destroyed me. How’s that working out for you, this fucking great job for Devlin? Is it working out the way you wanted it? I mean, you had to take it, right?”
She turned and stepped away, giving him space. There was more bad than Josh could ever realize. Terrible things she’d done, not even revealed to him in the hotel room today.
Josh pursued her. “You love it, huh? You love that money, you love that power. You love it so much you’ll fuck the guy who gives it to you behind my back.”
“Devlin doesn’t give me power, Josh, he—”
“Right, he just signs your fucking paychecks. Does he leave them on the dresser after he fucks you?”
She spun and showed him the exact face she would show if she’d slapped him as hard as she wanted to right now. “Devlin doesn’t deserve a single thing he has. He’s a mediocre man with too much time and money in his pockets.”
“Don’t forget that big dick you love.”
“Josh,” she said, her mouth slimmed in a disappointed line, “don’t be so juvenile.”
“You were the one who wanted to see it next to mine.”
She jabbed a finger now. “You’re the one who wanted to see that, Josh. That was you. That was for you.”
“Oh thanks so much, Kimmy. It was amazing. I loved it. Humiliation is just the best.”
“Don’t act like it came out of nowhere, Josh. . . . It was more than that, Josh. You don’t even see it yet. It had to be Devlin. It wouldn’t be anybody else. This is about you.”
“You fucked him to do me some unseen favor?”
She turned away again. “I never should have done it. But once it was done the first time, the rest of it I did for you.”
Josh chuckled and shook his head. “Oh, I see now. I see it. You’re fucking crazy, that’s what it is.”
She spun and showed him venom. “Don’t call me crazy.”
“So explain to me, oh sane one, how the fuck your disgusting—disgusting—affair with a man I hate does me any fucking good?”
“You’re acting like you and I never lay in bed and made all kinds of dirty talk about me and Devlin. You’re acting like all this was my thing, my affair, when it was—”
Josh stepped up, his face close to hers, eyes in dazzling but baleful glory. “You took something that was ours—could have been ours—and you made it your own. You made me suffer and told yourself that was the right thing to do because Josh likes to suffer.” His finger went in her face. “But it was you who told me it was okay to suffer. It was you who told me it was part of who I am. You were on Josh’s side when it suited you. You had to convince me I liked it. You worked to convince me just so you could get away with it.”
She pushed his hand away. “No, you like to suffer. I did it because you liked it.”
He challenged her, eyes flashing even brighter. “How did I like it?”
“You responded to it,” she said. “Tell me you didn’t respond to it.”
He put up angry hands, outraged. “That means I deserve it? That means the suffering should be real and not pretend.”
She narrowed her eyes. “You knew it was real.”
He nodded, smug. “Tell yourself that.”
“Tell yourself you didn’t. I’m not the only liar, Josh.”
“You can’t stop lying. Even when I offer you reprieve, when I grace you with my absolution, you still can’t stop lying. Everything you’re saying is pseudo-psych bull shit.”
She said, “You don’t even see it. Your head is so far up your own selfish ass, you can’t see how you deserve any of the blame.”
“No, I can’t. I didn’t fuck your bully.”
“Oh, Mr. Innocent,” she said, putting up her hands in a weak pose, “I’m just a victim, everybody else is so mean to me, even my wife who dared to try to give me things I only dreamed of.”
“More psych bull shit,” he said. “You should listen to yourself.”
Now she got in his face. “You had me and Devlin bickering over your ownership, like you were the hottest girl in school. Don’t you realize that? Don’t you realize what you’re worth? What you mean to me? Do you have any idea what I went through to make your dreams come true?”
“What you went through? And you’re not crazy? Do you—”
“I know what you went through, Josh,” she said with snide disregard. “Just accept that I know it. You can’t stop telling me about it. Bemoaning how hard your life is. You’re moody, you hide away, you sulk, you go all the way to Rome with your back turned to me. Like a coward.”
“A coward?”
“You never stood on your own two feet and told me what you wanted. You’re just a shy hint-machine typing out cryptic tickets, like a fortune cookie factory. I have to read your intentions, surmise what you want, try to make sense of the random lottery numbers you give me.”
“Isn’t it easy to know what I want? . . . Or how about what I don’t want? Like, maybe you don’t fuck Devlin Stone behind my back. God, the night I told you how Devlin got Rumble to punch me in the stomach and steal my jacket—you were fucking him then. Listening to my story and nodding, coo-cooing and smoothing my hair, saying oh my poor Josh, and then like the next day you’re in his fucking Mercedes sucking his magnificent cock.”
“He’s nothing, Josh.” She held her thumb and finger up, a hair apart. “He’s this. He’s not even half the man you are. Not even half. But you walk around wearing his high school words around your neck like a useless fucking albatross. You’re better than that.”
Now she had his attention. He stared, eyes crazed with fire, but paused, held in place like a mosquito in amber, wanting her words to be true, wanting to believe what she said because he liked so. Much how it sounded.
“You’re the only person in the world I give half a fuck about.”
“Why would you want to hurt me, then?”
“Because you’re weak. You’re small and weak when I know you don’t have to be. All you ever had to do was tell me what you wanted. I thought you did.”
“You thought I wanted you to fuck him? This is madness.”
She gripped his lapels and held him in place, Josh looking like he would flee. “You fucking asked me to do it today, and I did it. I did it for you. Why can’t you see what you have? Why do you always pretend you have to be moral? You’re not better than me, so stop acting like it.”
Josh snarled and walked into her, grabbing her wrists and marching her back on her heels and shoving her onto the bed. She went down and bounced. Josh stood above her, hands clenched into fists, huffing through flared nostrils.
She went up on her elbows. “Are you ready now to act like a man?”
Comments
"He dropped down again, his hands going out above her shoulders, their faces close together." In gesticulating his astonishment at his wife's obtuseness he accidentally offers up obeisance to her in worship or in loyalty!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-21 12:52:05 +0000 UTCOne of RG Collingwood's acutest observations, which came from his work in the Archaeology of Roman Britain, was that knowing what questions to ask was frequently more important than answers...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 22:29:01 +0000 UTCIf Kimmy isn't just out to hurt Josh or feed her tingling familiar pussy off his humiliation and shame... what would that make Devlin best for... and connecting the dots what is a real no-no for our thoroughly demonized cheat (there are still a few holdouts who are not knee jerk haters) secret liaisons with her 'boss'... to prevent cross contamination? Josh hates Devlin but now he's hob-knobbing and socializing with him...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 21:51:47 +0000 UTC“Because you’re weak. You’re small and weak when I know you don’t have to be. All you ever had to do was tell me what you wanted. I thought you did.” This part, like the harsh accusation when Josh is 'staking out' Hyun's place won't fit into my new puzzle... maybe this isn't the place where they fit... Or it's a strategy... This is another back handed compliment that leaves Kimmy sounding a trifle manic. The "I thought you did" resounds like a thunderclap on a clear day.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 15:24:20 +0000 UTCI'd rein in my judgement on the question of Kimmy's insanity. Start asking yourself what if some of the things she constantly claims to be true are true, then try sorting the wheat from the chaff. I don't think Josh wants to be humiliated in anyway that involves Devlin... so why would Kimmy maintain the contrary if she is not insane... l don't like spoilers also I'm a teacher just work out some feasible reasons why the main character in this book is not a raving nutter. Or if you prefer why one half of the main character isn't bonkers NB. Bonkers NOT Bonking. The title of the book is "Devil in the Waters" Their married name is plural lets forget Political Correction they're joined together by the magic of language. Give the sucker an even break! When KT shows us Kimmy weighs the same as a goose then you can all drown her... and if that doesn't work you can dry her out and then burn her at the stake! But take me at my word, "The Lady's not for Burning!" Of course, I could be mad, I could be mistaken or I could be lying... take your pick.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 14:26:56 +0000 UTCRight! She’s a total sexy femme fatale! But the things she did behind his back and the crazy way she acts in this chapter makes me torn! If it was a one time fling with Devlin it would be so much easier to forgive. What’s great is KT puts you in Josh’s place unsure of what to do.
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-17 13:22:46 +0000 UTCMy brain is screaming Josh to leave her but my penis is hoping he’ll stay with her and continue his dark path.
Karl
2024-02-17 11:14:22 +0000 UTCLunch on Mondays will never taste same again
Karl
2024-02-17 11:10:00 +0000 UTCOh... and if I'm right, then relax, no don't put your feet up... because KT got some splainin' to do... and I don't think she'll be inviting us all to the library to do it...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 09:42:33 +0000 UTC“You’re the only person in the world I give half a fuck about.” This is the most evidently true and ironic things she says... for quite some time now, if Josh has gotten anything, it has been half a fuck in so many ways! And clearly he received it because his loving wife believed it was his due... On top of that, now he has even better reason than other workers to not like Mondays!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 09:32:33 +0000 UTCAnd for those of you like me and Kimmy, who always look on the bright side, one of my favourite Marlowe quotes... "Doctor Faustus : How comes it, then, that thou art out of hell? Mephistopheles : Why, this is hell, nor am I out of it." But lets give John Milton the last equivocal say... "A mind not to be changed by place or time. Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.”
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 09:05:23 +0000 UTCHow bad can it be? Well, the above was my inspiration... and Kimmy's fear to even tell it to the man she desperately refers to as... “You’re the only person in the world I give half a fuck about.” That was another clue! We wouldn't want poor lonely Kimmy to become our madwoman in the attic... the secret we should be ashamed of... would we? This is a KT Morrison book so even if I am right... it doesn't explain everything, and there was a reason the Milton quote was tugging at my ear... it was drawing my attention to something which seems to me very much part of our favourite author's ethos... "Hope never comes that comes to all..." Happy hunting to you all...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 08:33:59 +0000 UTCDarkness Visible... With so many scraps of information lacunae and labyrinthine threads I believe an inkling of some terrible design is beginning to stand out against the darker background of the dour landscape infernal... It is beginning to be possible to devise what was invisible... and it becomes more evident why at times Kimmy seems to be seriously losing it... and it does not bode well for anyone... "What the hell does it mean?—it means he’s the worst guy you could fuck behind my back.” “No, that makes him the best.” “Now the thought Both of lost happiness and lasting pain Torments him; round he throws his baleful eyes That witnessed huge affliction and dismay Mixed with obdurate pride and steadfast hate: At once as far as angels ken he views The dismal situation waste and wild, A dungeon horrible, on all sides round As one great furnace flamed, yet from those flames No light, but rather darkness visible Served only to discover sights of woe, Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace And rest can never dwell, hope never comes That comes to all; but torture without end..."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-17 07:40:58 +0000 UTCThis is such a great chapter KT, I keep rereading it! My favorite line for some reason is “ You fucked him to do me some unseen favor”. I can’t help laughing unintentionally during that line because Josh is coming to the realization that Kimmy is crazy. Just a great chapter all around. I’m super stoked for the next chapter. I hope Josh gets out of Kimmy’s black widow spider web and dosnt fuck her! Especially after what she did with Devlin! He needs to show her the door. If she wants him to be a man he should treat like one and tell her to hit the road! It’s funny how she respects him now that he’s standing up for himself but it’s at the point where she is going to lose him because of her shitty decisions!
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-16 23:27:32 +0000 UTC“Why would you want to hurt me, then?” “Because you’re weak. You’re small and weak when I know you don’t have to be." As he is not Hank Pym or Ray Palmer... what nature of enormity is she accusing him of? So she wants to verbally stomp him into submission... because he's a disappointment... again why?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 19:37:31 +0000 UTC"you go all the way to Rome with your back turned to me." Did his seat face the front of the plane? Unheard of! Not a specious argument at all. Is coward to become the new buzzword for husbands? If Kimmy wants to win back that hubby lovin' why is she so confrontational and downright insulting to him? Because she's evil! A word that explains everything and nothing... a sexy Gothic word from the books not the modern 'tribe.'
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 19:34:08 +0000 UTC“No, that makes him the best.” Implying it would hurt Josh most?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 19:28:57 +0000 UTC“No, I can’t. I didn’t fuck your bully.” I really hope Josh didn't fuck Amy, though it might explain a lot!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 19:26:26 +0000 UTCAgain agreed... To misquote Walt Whitman with fervent apologies... I am a Man..."Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes)."The Whitman quote I unorthodoxly put in quotation marks.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 19:23:08 +0000 UTC"Even when I offer you reprieve, when I grace you with my absolution," That doesn't look good on you Josh!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 19:08:36 +0000 UTCRegardless, she's trying to turn him into a man. She might not like what she finds!
Chris K
2024-02-16 19:07:54 +0000 UTCI must be a dumb fuck! I only realized today... stone broke Stone Brokerage... new horizons...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 19:01:39 +0000 UTCThis makes a lot of sense. There’s still so much that Josh doesn’t know. More stuff that can strengthen his resolve into the stronger of his personas.
Kat
2024-02-16 19:00:53 +0000 UTCThank you I didn't want to labour my point... but I'm glad you obviously saw that too... I focused on the fact it was her that dressed him (as a grown up). I am now going to temporarily scream. Who gave her the right to be so condescending! Then sadly, why does she seem to despise him so much?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 18:57:39 +0000 UTCIf Josh does fuck Kimmy in the next chapter I hope it’s a rough and humiliating fuck! Kinda like what Omar did in Caymens! Anything else I would be disappointed (LOL!)
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-16 18:49:10 +0000 UTCBut if it's the old saw that you must enjoy humiliation because your dick is hard... There is a mutimillenarian history of pornography that proves that visual sexual images of the crudest depiction of sex can cause people, mainly men but far from exclusively men, to be vicariously aroused by images of often incredible inaccuracy. So to proclaim that Josh definitely loves being humiliated by his big dicked bully fucking his unfaithful wife is a bit of a leap... and a bit of a heap! On the other hand those two have provided prolific evidence that they really get off on humiliating Josh and, to accuse Kimmy in particular I quote the words of an old song... in an accusatory tone. "You always hurt the one you love. The one you shouldn't hurt at all!" By the Mills Brothers... just looked it up!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 18:39:16 +0000 UTCKimmy called Josh a boy, yet has referred to Devlin as a boy. Does she know what a man is?
Chris K
2024-02-16 18:27:27 +0000 UTCThe next part where they argue about responsibility for "humiliating" Josh made me suddenly wonder whether Kimmy was deliberately or genuinely confusing response (to) and responsibility. Because the facts seem clear to me!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 18:10:11 +0000 UTC“You know what I said to myself? To defeat a demon, become a demon. I’ll be as stone cold as you are." A nice parody by KT which she quickly uses to undermine Kimmy's smugness...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 18:00:17 +0000 UTC"Josh was still dressed in his suit jacket and pants. He looked better than ever: that new haircut, no longer a boy, but now a man;" I think when Shakespeare wrote "The apparel oft proclaims the man" it was amid some pretty sound advice that the pretentious Polonius gave his son, however, the inclusion of the adverb oft shows that what the bard and many other authors back to classical times meant was probably a little more subtle than Kimmy's self satisfied assessment.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 17:55:59 +0000 UTCI think some of what she said is accurate, but a chunk of it is also her projecting her desires and wants onto Josh because it's who she'd like him to be, not who he is. Certainly a lot of what she says is true in regards to how he acted. Even the part about knowing what she was doing and allowing it. Where I disagree, and where I see Kimmy missing the boat is that she is blinded by what she wants and it makes her not see that he allowed these things because he hoped it was part of the game, THEIR game, not HER game with Devlin. That's why he pointed out Kimmy gaming both of them. Josh is many of the things she says he is, but he's also the guy who has ALWAYS pushed back when things went too far. Whether it was at the tailor, the panties or this, he's always pushed back. Hell, the ONE time Kimmy actually, sort of, told the truth about seeing Devlin's dick, it made Josh go to the bathroom and puke. Only someone deluding themselves and pulling a "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" Is going to see those reactions and somehow still insist that Josh wants this. He wants some of these things, which he is honest about, but he doesn't want the scenario Kimmy wants. I do like the honesty from them both, though. Even with Kimmy's manipulation, this is the first time she finally told him what she really thought of him. I love you but you're weak. It will be interesting to see how Josh reacts.
L_S87
2024-02-16 17:03:40 +0000 UTC"She and Devlin had turned him into a cornered, feral animal." She's happy to have the bogeyman share the blame with her... as happy as she happily shared his mediocrity and his genitalia!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 16:59:05 +0000 UTC"maybe if the apartment had been trashed she would find Josh exhausted, spent, tossed on the floor and looking for compassion." That Kimmy, where ever must her mind have wandered to use those three verbs about him one after the other...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 16:52:50 +0000 UTCMy aim was not that ambitious, but if wishes work you have mine. I also owe you an apology for my hissy fit, and I offer it.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 16:39:45 +0000 UTCI like it, and find it difficult to believe you are totally mistaken... I would prefer to think that like most such titles it will have multiple applications similar to your idea... KT certainly seemed very enthusiastic about this 13th book and if we didn't trust her instincts and talent we wouldn't be here in the first place. Things are rarely simple... and the richer they become, the more we have to glut our giddy appetites!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 16:28:57 +0000 UTCBut what she wants is not what she claims she wants... and clearly Josh is not really into the uncomplaining sex lackey role that is on offer. Perhaps I've got it all wrong and that was their relationship before that bloody high school reunion... did nobody tell those nitwits you can't step in the same high school twice... it's not dog excrement? If you catch my drift...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 16:02:28 +0000 UTCFair assessment... hence she seems a cunt but not in a good way. What is missing is motivation why this disjuncture between Kimmy Nice and Kimmy Nasty... not a formula she drank or drinks or is it? I don't believe she's just batshit but we have more fuck information than day to day work details so...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 15:44:58 +0000 UTCUh….she doesn’t. That’s definitely one lie too many.
CSH
2024-02-16 15:35:04 +0000 UTCHappy? Well not personally so, no, though one can always hope.
CSH
2024-02-16 15:33:45 +0000 UTCRight or wrong, I like it.
CSH
2024-02-16 15:32:54 +0000 UTCWas thinking a bit last night about the title of this last book and what it could mean: The Unity of Opposites. Sometimes titles don’t mean much, and sometimes they tell you a lot. With KT it’s often the latter. Unity could suggest some sort of reconciliation between Josh and Kimmy, unity in their relationship or in working together to get revenge on Devlin. They are opposites as well, though Kimmy works hard in this chapter to convince Josh he’s no different from her and to embrace rolling in the mud with her. But more I thought, the more I wonder if that title is all about Josh, and him finding unity between 2 distinct personas: the kind, loving but feeble non-confrontational Josh we’ve known to this point, and the man we see now, who’s done taking shit from anyone. Maybe the unity is in Josh bringing those 2 personas together into a cohesive unit, one that he can use for whatever is coming in the next 10 or so chapters til the end. Or maybe (probably) I’m completely wrong.
JL23
2024-02-16 13:28:31 +0000 UTCYou hate to be derivative... God, Bill, sometimes you kill me! Ha fucking ha!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 10:37:48 +0000 UTCAlso she'll get her wish... Joshua Waters real man, all man! There's plenty more whores where she came from... well there's Eileen!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 10:22:17 +0000 UTCHe might not fall for it... but it's highly probable he'll think it's her turn to be used... It's more nuanced than having a wank! It would also nuance kicking her spunk stained thighs out. The inverse of the woman taken in adultery... the adulteress released back into her habitat, so to speak!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 10:19:34 +0000 UTCHappy?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 10:07:08 +0000 UTCManipulation is what language is all about, the excessively big head which makes childbirth more difficult and gestation inconveniently long, ironically trumps the visible genetic advantages, and smuggles in the less self evident genes that are as, or more, important than the glamorous ones, the cinderellas, the charmers, the jack the lads who, we the droolers who struggle to say penitenziagite... "come live with me and and be my fuck buddy!" to the ones in our bucket lists. It's good to see you've got your priorities right, Chris, first the payback then a bit of kinky canoodling with a new bit of stuff on the side!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 09:44:22 +0000 UTCJosh has always been his own man, his helplessness is his disguise. The strength that Kimmy sees in glimpses, that which unsettles her... is the beggar man home to Ithaca to reclaim his lands... the suppliant the old gods were always wont to favour. When the Greeks came to make him honour his oath and waste his life at the siege of Troy, Odysseus feigned madness, Placing his only infant son before the blade of a plough was the only thing that made him doff his deranged role and join the folly on the plains of Illium. In the end, it was him not the mighty warrior kings who laid low the wealthy jewel of the middle east... a lowly island chieftain who returned unperceived and empty handed... abandoned wife surrounded by suitors. What woman in her right mind would hold out all those endless nights? A humbled cuckold asking for a paucity, the cuckold's portion amid the peasants in the kitchen of his own home living off soiled leftovers, spying on his wife with lowered brow from behind a borrowed threadbare infested rustic cloak... Penelope majestically keeping up appearances surrounded by rutting chancers!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 08:50:07 +0000 UTCShe is playing for time... she is no Brer Rabbit or Wiley Coyote she is their sister who bangs the unsuspecting mark till he doesn't know if he's coming or going... She's a lawyer, schooled in deception!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 07:59:32 +0000 UTCThis was e'er the case, 'strewth!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 07:51:42 +0000 UTCI’d certainly like Josh to fuck her. It’s the only possibility for their marriage to survive. Remember, what’s surviving though is the new marriage where they are tied together by the sex and the psychological struggle and not by their previous affection. This is the first chapter where I think the two of them have been honest with each other. Honesty doesn’t mean accuracy of course. What Kimmy said of Josh is mostly deadly accurate, but as usual she is attempting to manipulate him as well. I’d like him to fall for it. Because, on one level, she’s right. It is what he wants and he is lying to himself a bit here as well. As is Kimmy. Kimmy possibly also sees the possibility of having a new more aggressive Josh as well. Though a Josh who “is ready to be a man” now would ironically just throw her cheating ass into the street. lol. Let’s see those wings sprout again Kimmy. You can do it.
CSH
2024-02-16 03:59:23 +0000 UTCAssuming Josh stays with Kimmy through the Devlin thing, how does she explain a second affair that had nothing at all to do with Josh? Hyun told Kimmy "don't hurt me", which kinda mirrors Kimmy telling Devlin not to hurt Josh. Will Hyun want revenge against Kimmy, the same way Kimmy wants revenge against Devlin now? So many interesting ways this story can go...
Chris K
2024-02-16 03:50:24 +0000 UTCI could see Josh being very aggressive with her, taking what he wants, especially after what he just witnessed with Devlin. He saw how much she loved Devlin being rough with her. He’s going to take what he wants, and afterwards maybe he’ll be disgusted. That seems to be Josh’s way. He’ll be disgusted and regretful, but also done with her. Who knows, I’m probably wrong, but I hope I’m right. Lol
Kat
2024-02-16 02:17:42 +0000 UTCI agree, L_S, and the internal mental speed with which she abandons it just goes to show how insincere her offered contrition or regret truly is, even when she’s telling herself she means it. In the end she’s just saying whatever she thinks will get her what she wants.
Glaucon
2024-02-16 02:13:42 +0000 UTCI'm still not willing to abandon Kimmy but it does seem like Kimmy enjoys or simply wants to hurt Josh and NOT for his sake... it would explain her obsession with him just as well as love... unfortunately. "You are what you pretend to be. So be careful what you pretend to be." Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 02:08:57 +0000 UTCInception this kink into Josh is a really good way to describe her behaviour.
Kat
2024-02-16 02:05:54 +0000 UTCMy money is on your version of events, Kat. Josh is way too sexually frustrated at this point. He knows he should tell her to shove it, but I think he'll find the prospect of one last time too tempting to pass up. He'll give her what she wants and then tell her to get out because that's all she's good for now. I'm not much into grudge fucking, but it would fit this instance. I don't see how Josh, being this upset allows one sexual session to change his mind. But its a slippery slope. Kimmy is banking on using it to wedge open a chink in his armor and then pry until she's wormed her way back in. Josh is soft enough he may allow it. Or the old Josh was. This Josh... the chair wielding avenger? Hmmm... maybe not.
L_S87
2024-02-16 02:02:57 +0000 UTCYou're right, Glaucon, my point was for this conversation, she started on a different foot with how she was approaching him, but as per usual, when she didn't the results she was hoping for, she abandoned that strategy for graft.
L_S87
2024-02-16 01:51:42 +0000 UTCKimmy certainly does have a gilded tongue. There doesn’t seem to be anyone she can’t persuade, or bend to her will. I’m hoping Josh stands his ground. It’s time that the tables are turned for a change.
Kat
2024-02-16 01:36:00 +0000 UTCI hope he doesn't fuck her because he will be in her manipulative web. I hope he throws their wedding ring in her face, calls Meyer for a good divorce lawyer and tells her to gtfo!
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-16 01:29:33 +0000 UTCI don't think Kimmy is coldly calculating how to get her way... I think she is trapped in a role she cannot escape like the mosquito in amber. She is unravelling. From what she says in this chapter she believes herself to be the incubus she has become. If she can't escape her own exploitive view as she has perhaps so eloquently, without realizing it, revealed to Josh, he will separate himself from her. At the moment she shows no affection for, and needs no love from her husband... every word she utters paints him as a project... The sugar phase has passed... now she is chivvying him along with pitiless whacks of disdainful stick!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 01:22:52 +0000 UTCI don't want to see any more sex between Kimmy and Josh. I hope Josh just ends it! If Kimmy has sex with anyone I hope it's Devlins dad as a means to ruin him. But I also just want all the manipulation to end, and for Kimmy to start paying hard prices for the choices she's made. As for Josh, he has the kink, it's a part of him now. He can pursue that with someone more trustworthy
Chris K
2024-02-16 01:07:21 +0000 UTCYes, her lies even started in Book 1! She's a piece of work!
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-16 00:56:12 +0000 UTCShe’s also lying to herself about the idea that she’s confronting things head on whereas Josh ran from it. The reality is she’s running from it just as much as Josh did, because she has no intention of actually telling him the whole truth. It’s understandable why she isn’t, cause Josh is no mental state to hear it, but until he actually knows all the secrets, she’s doing everything he’s accusing her of doing here.
JL23
2024-02-16 00:50:49 +0000 UTCI think playing the pregnancy card right now might be counter productive! Also acting like a man could be kicking her out of the house and telling her to never darken his door again!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 00:44:09 +0000 UTCKimmy so clearly wanted to tell Josh something, but failed to do so once again, if he gets 'another' consolation prize... I hope he survives it. As I said before... though I hate to be derivative... Wow!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 00:34:28 +0000 UTCPersonally, it seems to me she's been doing this for most of the series (so way before Josh started lashing out). Wasn't this basically her explicit plan for a while now? to Inception(tm) this kink into Josh and get him to believe it was all his idea?
Glaucon
2024-02-16 00:32:24 +0000 UTCYeah, I think that’s fair. Devlin wants to mold both Kimmy and Josh into his perfect image for both of them, while Kimmy wants to mold Devlin and Josh into her perfect image for both of them. As for Josh, I doubt he can live with being either of those images.
JL23
2024-02-16 00:28:28 +0000 UTCI feel like it's deeply telling that Kimmy repeatedly thinks about her fear of losing Josh/her perfect image of her life with Josh far far more than she thinks about any fear of hurting Josh. She cares more about having Josh than she cares about Josh himself.
Glaucon
2024-02-16 00:26:41 +0000 UTCAbsolutely, I think the most glaring facet of this is that gives the lie to her self-deception is that when she began the affair, it was clearly not about Josh! She's revising her own memories to reverse engineer for herself a rationalization that fits with her own self-image, rather than face that she actually did quite a bad thing with reckless disregard (at best) to how it would deeply hurt someone she claims to love.
Glaucon
2024-02-16 00:25:26 +0000 UTCYep. She started out pretty well with her admissions and protestations. But the instant it was clear this wasn't going to work, she went back to old faithful. Lies and manipulation. Though, to be fair to her, she didn't go down that road until Josh straight up called her a whore. So not really surprised Kimmy would get bent out of shape over that, regardless of how justified Josh may be in his assertions.
L_S87
2024-02-16 00:24:44 +0000 UTCYes! I wonder once the pregnancy is revealed by Kimmy! Would Josh even want to be the father of that baby? I know most people would’nt! Because it connects him to Kimmy and it would remind him of all the nasty things she did behind his back. Kind the opposite scenario of Geoff and Nia!
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-16 00:24:03 +0000 UTCI think, as with many things, Kimmy's fascination with screwing Devlin was multifaceted. Her foremost reason was selfishness. She liked the wickedness that betraying Josh brought. It stimulated her like nothing else. She liked having Devlin pursue her and it was titillating to demean Josh to Devlin behind Josh's back. But, as she started to broach the game with Josh, I think some of it shifted to the naughtiness of doing this while thinking of how Josh would feel when, not if, but when he found out. How they would wrap this into their sex life and she'd get the best of both worlds while convincing herself it would give Josh what he wanted too. It became semi altruistic, allowed her to be wicked and angelic, the good washing away the bad. She could experience both and no longer feel guilty. I think she stopped feeling guilty because she thought she was going to brainwash him enough to get away with it and have everything she wanted. That then fell apart with the panty debacle only to be reinstated when Josh asked her to sleep with Devlin. Ultimately, Kimmy loves Josh, but she wants him to be who she wants him to be. Molded in her image of the *perfect* man for her, according to her whims. These manipulations are just a means to and end to maneuver Josh to become that man.
L_S87
2024-02-16 00:21:52 +0000 UTCNow more seriously... “You fucking asked me to do it today, and I did it. I did it for you. Why can’t you see what you have?" One interpretation of this could indicate clear delusions of grandeur on Kimmy's part... or she caught the nietzsche bug from lying down with Devlin... Or Josh will show us how to act like a man... or...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 00:15:49 +0000 UTCYeah, the game thing is the sticking point, and Josh even touched on it. He wanted this to be *their* thing. Them alone. A game for him and Kimmy in private between them. Use Devlin, but as a means to an end. His pain is that Kimmy slept with Devlin first and then started the game. So it wasn't theirs, it was hers. Her way to make the wrong of her betrayal acceptable. That's how he views it. Hell, I think that's how we view it, and I think Kimmy sees it that way too. But admitting that is death. So she won't ever. The only way she comes out of this with Josh in her life is to gaslight him into thinking he's at least partially culpable in her actions, accepting that she did this for him, even though we know she didn't. Get him to believe that it makes him stronger to accept her infidelity and actually support it. I think Kimmy knows this is an awful thing to do, to manipulate him this way, but she probably sees it as the only way to keep him. Just like every other time she went too far and Josh was pissed, apologies and lies weren't working, so sexual manipulation it is.
L_S87
2024-02-16 00:10:12 +0000 UTCYes, some of what she says about Josh is true, and he knows he was turned on by it, but, he thought it was just for them. He may have imagined her fucking Devlin, but he never could have imagined what it would feel like to see it live and in person. He also found out more about her deception, and the depths she went to have an affair with his bully. As much as it turned him on, it also disgusted him. Kimmy can’t admit, even to herself, that she started this whole thing, not Josh. She just found a creative way to excuse her behaviour, and shape it into something she thought she could use to keep doing it. It was never the two of them. Kimmy calling Josh selfish was so rich. I can see them having sex in the next chapter. Josh having really angry sex with her. Kimmy will love it. Afterwards, Josh will be done with her.
Kat
2024-02-16 00:07:33 +0000 UTCSo now I know what happened... what did Kimmy take at the reunion, did Amy bring it from Glasgow... because whatever happened was a mind changing experience...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-16 00:03:02 +0000 UTCBingo! JL23!
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-15 23:56:08 +0000 UTCJosh would be better off cutting his losses now. No matter how much it hurts! His fight with Kimmy in this chapter tells me he never really knew Kimmy. Or she never revealed her true evil Kimmy self! Kimmy is disloyal and a liar! If Kimmy somehow saves her marriage I could see this turn into a Jess and Pete scenario. That would even more of a nightmare than what already is.
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-15 23:54:36 +0000 UTC"He stared, eyes crazed with fire, but paused, held in place like a mosquito in amber, wanting her words to be true, wanting to believe what she said because he liked so. Much how it sounded." Though I don't yet know how to explain it, I'm sure you put that full stop exactly where it should be... but exactly what it means for Josh I can't articulate. Josh's full stop and Charlie's asterisk, two bold enigmas to challenge the ones who used them like a casino chip bluffing against the house... loved ones, who needs them?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-15 23:48:34 +0000 UTCI hope they don’t fuck in the next chapter. I don’t think they will. Kimmy is still acting like this is a game and Josh wanted it. Not with Devlin he didn’t! Did Kimmy ever really answer him properly about her not breaking things off with Devlin would she still be in the game? And the pregnancy and Hyun still rear their ugly head! I need to reread this chapter again! It was that good!
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-15 23:43:28 +0000 UTCThis chapter had a lot of great lines! Josh is right, Kimmy is fucking crazy! Josh never wanted her to fuck Devlin except for the last couple chapters to finally get the truth out of her. I hope he doesn’t fuck her! I hope he throws those suitcases of her stuff out the window. Kimmy is a disturbed person he needs a restraining order against her and to find some woman that will be loyal to him.
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-15 23:39:22 +0000 UTC“I know what you went through, Josh,” she said with snide disregard. “Just accept that I know it. You can’t stop telling me about it. Bemoaning how hard your life is. You’re moody, you hide away, you sulk, you go all the way to Rome with your back turned to me. Like a coward.” Wow! Way to win him back! Kimmy works in mysterious ways her wonders to perform.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-15 23:34:25 +0000 UTCCertainly, but I do think she believes the idea that the reason screwing around with Devlin turns her on so much is because Josh is into her doing it. And she definitely now believes this idea that Josh is the real person with power, the one person that both Devlin and her really want.
JL23
2024-02-15 23:23:51 +0000 UTCShe wants Josh to believe what his astute scheme showed before his very eyes was not as it seemed... Was it all to make him a man? Be careful who you try to model 'im on Ms 'iggins...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-15 23:12:47 +0000 UTCPeople throw around "gaslighting" a lot, but honestly that's exactly what this is. She's trying to get Josh to question his own perception of reality for incredibly selfish (and cruel) reasons. It's tough to read (but so well-written!).
Glaucon
2024-02-15 22:54:04 +0000 UTCShe's just rationalizing.
Glaucon
2024-02-15 22:51:56 +0000 UTCCertain facts are irrevocable, she betrayed Josh and her mouth told more truth when Josh watched it expertly sucking Devlin's choke-worthy mouthful... to that extent, at least, her relationship with his bully was 'professional'. More than when it slyly offered her cuckold filthy lies tailored for his gullible delectation!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-15 22:49:32 +0000 UTC"Terrible things she’d done, not even revealed to him in the hotel room today." And the unspeakable shame peaking from behind the curtain!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-15 22:31:19 +0000 UTCFor me the key passage was when he finally asks her if Devlin hadn't gone behind her back, how deep into her game would he be. Cause as much as she has points that he likes to suffer, and was asking to suffer (and especially the part about letting Devlin still define who he is)...what she hasn't dealt with in her own mind is how much she manipulated and twisted his desires as license to get what she wanted, which was to continue to fuck Devlin. Notice how she doesn't really answer that question at all...but rather ramps up her attempts to manipulate and obfuscate. I think at this point maybe she really has convinced herself she was doing this for him. But if she was, why was she messing around with Devlin at Tiffany's party, or when he came to their apartment that first time, or in his Mercedes (funny Josh throws a scenario like that at her when it actually happened). All of those things happened before she had a real idea of Josh's kink. All of that was done because she wanted to do it. She needs to come to grips with that in her own mind to really have a shot...otherwise she's still just manipulating him. More importantly, at some point she will have to explain it all to Josh. The idea she can just ignore those things and they can move on her from her is laughably naive. Josh doesn't trust her, and he seems to have developed that backbone. It's unlikely he's going to let it go now and move on like nothing happened.
JL23
2024-02-15 22:13:34 +0000 UTCYou're right, Donkatsu. She's the best looking Palpatine you could ever imagine. Probably more deceitful too, somehow.
L_S87
2024-02-15 22:11:41 +0000 UTCThere is only one way to interpret the near-simultaneity and interpretive convergence of these responses: We are completely wrong! KT will go in some other direction and confound us with the next installment. Nice work, KT.
Donkatsu
2024-02-15 22:11:35 +0000 UTCI like your idea. I'm worried he's going to fall into the physical trap she's set, because she's so good at sexual manipulation, but maybe this time he'll have the fortitude to walk away and think it through. She loves him, yes, but boy is she awful for him, for so many reasons. Th first half of the conversation had me thinking she finally had her head straight and was just going to lay it out, but no, here comes the lies and manipulation. Hopefully as you said, Josh uses the moment to truly interrogate her and get everything, so he can make an informed decision not based on her questioning his manhood to get him riled up.
L_S87
2024-02-15 22:10:20 +0000 UTCI thought he would be packing his own bags. While kicking her out would feel good in the moment, which is probably why he's doing it, in the long run, he'll be stuck in an apartment where everything reminds him I'm of the one he still loves, even though the deceitful bitch betrayed him. That will be brutal to live with, especially since she'll keep working every angle, just like in this chapter, to get him to accept some responsibility, forgive her and keep their marriage intact. She's an amazing liar, that's for sure. Mostly because half of what she says is true, so it's impossible for Josh to parse through the bullshit. She does love him, she's just awful for him because she's a walking bad decision machine. No matter what she says now, she'll do something awful again. Because that's who she is now that she's got a taste for it.
L_S87
2024-02-15 22:05:41 +0000 UTCThis is the second instalment in a row when I have read all the way through without making a note or quoting the text. Because to me they are the same thing... quoting and noting! For me the last line of this instalment is the biggest cliff-hanger in the entire book so far... it could be the most devastating moment, and not even a single sexual fingering has taken place... but it seems to me Kimmy has called into doubt everything Josh and, to some extent, me as a reader have believed to have been real psychologically and at times physically in this book and the unread prelude that led to it. To some extent it hinges on the strength of her character and her will to live even though I have noticed a few well intentioned, doubtless, whoppers maybe below par for an average conversation. She is not just changing the game she is changing the stakes and might be attempting to unseat a player. Unholy 'matrimony', not whole, unnatural... all that and more! Everything seems out of kilter! Josh is drawn into the hellish dream he once doubted or denied was true... Though he thinks he's onto Kimmy's devilish cleverness it may not defend him from it. She speaks as though he's sold his soul by proxy... Is she crazy like a fox? Or is she desperately buying time... playing it by ear to prevent the amateur defenestrater from having more success with her clothes than with her boss. And if she can't, what new reality will slowly descending satin undies make for a decent neighbourhood? Kitty baskets... on line! Yeaaaah...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-02-15 22:03:25 +0000 UTCShe’s really good at this Jedi mind trick business. Just enough truth and reality to keep Josh in the room and not out the door. Not enough to give Josh any mental or emotional equilibrium. Way to go, Kimmy!
Donkatsu
2024-02-15 21:50:18 +0000 UTCAmazing dialogue, KT! This scene was worth waiting for. Josh’s fight here is admirable. I hope he stands his ground. I was surprised he was packing Kimmy’s clothes and not his own! Maybe he’ll fuck her here, and then kick her out. She deserves it. Kimmy really can’t stop lying. Every word out of her mouth is a lie, and Josh is wise to her. He doesn’t even know about Hyun or her pregnancy yet. Is there a chance they could team up to stick it to Devlin? Maybe? I want to see Kimmy suffer more before this story ends. She needs to admit it all, and take responsibility, especially to herself. She still seems to think she can find her way out of this horrible situation. All of her lies are coming together, and she just keeps adding to her own pain by lying some more. Her lies aren’t even believable.
Kat
2024-02-15 21:45:02 +0000 UTCThat's the diabolical genius of this right? There are elements of truth in what she's saying, and Josh knows it. And she knows Josh knows it. Like she said in the hotel room...she's got to keep his dick "in the game." But yes, in the end she's still manipulating him and even admits to herself there is so much bad she's keeping from him. Until they sit and talk through all of it, there's no way to make this work long term. What I hope his reaction here is not to rip her clothes off but to simply ask for the entire truth from her, everything that's happened, everything she's hiding. The old Josh didn't want to know, this new Josh might be strong enough to ask for it.
JL23
2024-02-15 21:44:37 +0000 UTCWow, what a conversation. Well done KT. You did a perfect job of blending Kimmy's typical perfidy with Josh's righteous anger. Until their positions swapped, because as awful, deceitful and wicked as Kimmy can be, there's a kernel of truth to what she's saying and Josh knows it. Which is why he slowed down before getting angry again, in a different way. Got to hand it to Kimmy, she *does* know him very well, and she knows just what buttons to push to get him to stop packing her things to kick her out and get him to focus on grudge fucking her because once she's got him there, she wins. At least for the moment. Josh might still walk after that, but it gives her an in. Not sure if Josh will take it. I thought Kimmy was going to have to pull out the "I'm pregnant" card to get Josh to let her stay. Has she found a different way to make that happen? No matter if she gets him to go after her here, she's got a long road to travel with a lot of potential landmines. Somehow I'm not surprised her and her gilded tongue found a way to twist this to a potential advantage. We'll see if Josh falls for it or turns away.
L_S87
2024-02-15 21:36:35 +0000 UTCDamn I’m at work! When I get home I’ll definitely read it!
Andrew Mellein
2024-02-15 21:26:51 +0000 UTCYay!!
Kat
2024-02-15 21:04:25 +0000 UTC