To self-plagiarise or not self-plagiarise...
Added 2021-05-19 20:09:48 +0000 UTCAcarina is typed up at just over 5,500 words. She's the first of the vamps and long-time readers will remember her from "Vampiric Boobies".
The controversial part is that long-time readers might find part of her scenario a little too familiar.
I re-read the old story for a reminder of her appearance and then realised her scenario was likely going to play out the same way, with much of the same dialogue. It's a game she plays with her prey. The main difference in the House is that The Madam insists all harlots give the prey a 'sporting' chance (although what they believe to be 'sporting' varies from harlot to harlot).
To shortcut the creation process I ripped out the scene and rewrote it to change it to present tense, and from 3rd person to 1st person. I also smoothed out some of the protagonist reactions to account for the player protagonist in HoHH being more generic than the weapon-seller-about-to-meet-a-karmic-end character of the short story. This gave me a 2K word chunk and about 2/5ths of the scenario in a fraction of the time it would have done otherwise.
It is also a bit of a cheat, so I thought I'd make a post on it to gauge people's opinion.
In the past I used to hate palette-switching in RPGs as I always wanted to see new monsters and "old monster but red" felt lazy. Of course these were pragmatic approaches to memory and deadlines developers needed to do in order to bulk the bestiary up and ship a product on time. A more recent (and H-game) example would be "Monmusu Quest: Paradox". A lot of the monster girls in that are taken from the previous "Monmusu Quest" game, so seeing the same scene repeated was a little disappointing.
However, one of the things MQ:P did to make up for this is to give some of the old monster girls new scenes in the pocket castle. It was nice to see some of the girls I liked in the original game get new art and new H scenes.
This is what I've done with Acarina. Her scene is interactive. The player can choose to make the decision the protagonist of "Vampiric Boobies" could not (although it's not recommended). They can also choose to skip the... ahem... delights of her paizuri entirely and go straight to sex.
The paizuri scene will seem a little familiar, though, and I have mixed thoughts on it.
It does save time. I think that's important at the moment as I do need to bulk up those harlot numbers. The question is: are people okay with some scenes being a little familiar if it means I can get more scenarios out quicker?
I'm not about to go full lazy and plunder my back catalogue to stuff the House full of scenes you've already read. To be honest, I don't even know how many would be appropriate. It might be that only Acarina's could be ported like this. If I can find a few more that would speed things up a little. And I know there are some old faces people would like to see again in the House (it might even make for another fun poll).
This would only be for the standard rank 'n' file harlots. If I gave Nurse Honey her scene and it was just something from "Succubus Summoning" with Phil's name filed off, I think people would be disappointed and rightly so. Some of the H-space stories might provide some material I can use, with the proviso I also add some additional sex acts so players can have more fun with them.
Anyway, what are people's thoughts on this? Do you mind a little bit of deja vu on some scenes so long as it's not taking the piss and the girls are given optional new scenes as well?
Let me know below.
Comments
to give my thoughts on this .... if you 1to1 copy paste it is an easy and foremost fast way to expand your content in HoHH so not much work on your site. If you alternate them abit and see them as inspiration and copy some of your great writing it should be completly fine .... remember you have a ton of ressources you yourself made .... HoHH seems almost like your magnum opus at this point so why not include everything you have done up to this point? It makes sense to include all that you have in your repartois .... that beeing said. i think you should expand on what you have .... give them more personality, some quirks, maybe more options then the one you have shown, give options to explore new "methods" they use ect. ..... that way everyone would be happy .... since HoHH also will be a introduction for new fans once it becomes a public demo and older fans right? PS: add some of these succuplants pls ; )
Bason Jorne
2021-05-23 12:44:19 +0000 UTCThat was my worry. I don't think I'll be doing it too often. If I can get a few 'free' harlots out of it and also give them extras, I think it might work out.
Many-Eyed Hydra
2021-05-20 11:32:59 +0000 UTCTemptacia will likely be the first of the 'mid-boss' type scenarios as a test case to figure out how to make them stand out vs regular encounters. I did do a little brainstorming on Nurse Honey last night, although more for the mechanics. Trying to work out a way for the player to survive the scenario is the tough part. I think she might function as she does in the Succubus Summoning - she loans out energy and when someone 'overdraws', she collects. This would imply repeated visits, but I don't think there are enough rounds to do this without also fitting in the regular game. I think the way to get around this would be to have give her special h-scenes outside of the round structure where she replenishes the player (similar to the Doctoress having sort of additional H scenes with her semen gulper toys). Once a player 'overdraws', Nurse Honey shows up as a force pick the next round (similar to how ailments force the player to pick certain harlots), and that will be an automatic Bad End scenario. I think I want to give her regular scenarios as well. Possibly an early one similar to her first honey massage of Phil where the player only has to meet simple requirements to escape. And then a later-round one similar to the nurse play she did with the warlock she absorbed in 201. That would have much stricter conditions to avoid being Bad Ended. I'm still finalising the details. I'll likely set aside a month for her later in the year and put together an NPC Nurse 2 release together.
Many-Eyed Hydra
2021-05-20 11:13:02 +0000 UTCI'd forgotten about red lips. I do need to go through the H-space bestiary stories again. There are some nice monster girl ideas in there and they would definitely benefit from being expanded into bigger scenarios (main problem with the bestiary stories is they're too short IMHO). I have pencilled in a red lips vamp scenario. I think red lips succubus is different to that. Maybe another little rivalry in the House. Choosing how far you want to go will likely be a common mechanic of the 'leech' group succubi (also even the ones that aren't too leech-y in appearance). I'm getting closer to pinning down various competing groups with the House.
Many-Eyed Hydra
2021-05-20 10:59:13 +0000 UTCProbably not the right term - was trying to think of what fits. :D
Many-Eyed Hydra
2021-05-20 10:53:00 +0000 UTCI don't mind re-visiting old stories you did and putting them in HoHH but i would lie to you if i said i wouldn't be disappointed if they ended up just being copy-pasted. Because whats the point then? It will be fine for people that never read those stories but those that have it will feel like a cope out move. With that said it's not that big of a deal in the end since there will still be plenty of original stories and characters as well. Although i don't think anyone would mind seeing Nurse Honey having a scene at some point or Nyte making an appearance.
SubNero
2021-05-20 07:31:19 +0000 UTCI'd also add that I think many of his fans are hoping to encounter scenes similar or straight lifted from his short stories. They are likely what attracted them down the rabbit hole in the first place. I'm not certain the level of effort required to shift a concept from a linear narrative structure to a CYOA type path, but I would assume if you have all the major beats laid out, it frees you to customize and adapt as needed. But, not the creator, just a fan of the output.
2021-05-20 01:07:52 +0000 UTCP.S. is Smout Hall in the same "fantasy universe" of the House of Hellish Harlots? In that case, there could be multiple extrusions of the Dominion of Lust around on Earth (and that could be good for a possible sequel of your game). The main difference seems to be that Smout Hall is somewhat still protected by human wards and runes and succubi can manifest only one night per year, while the HoHH seems to be completely under succubus control (well, the Madam's control I guess) and she can summon any succubus she wants at any time she wants in our reality, especially in "special nights" for the House like it is said in the intro... I was also thinking when our protagonist will finally manage to escape from the House at the end of the game eventually, you will need an explanation about why he doesn't immediately go to the police reporting to the government that there is this isolated brothel run by demonic succubi luring horny men in order to suck their souls out (it's not that even an army would do much against so many succubi fighting together like seen in the H-space stories, but still...the House could be bombed or something like that) so I was thinking maybe the protagonist after leaving the House will suffer of some sort of "memory loss" like in the "Men in Black" movies but in that case he wouldn't remember the awesome time spent in the House at all...but I'm sure you will find a more creative and less boring explanation for that than mine :D
2021-05-20 00:36:46 +0000 UTCI know the succubi from your "Succubus Summoning" series have priority (mainly Nurse Honey and Nÿte, but also Rosa, Verdé and Cέrμləa), but do you think there's a chance at least some of the succubi in your "Night of the Nude Succubus Orgy" story will appear in the House as well? I liked how the girls were portrayed and characterized very well there, each one with her own defined behaviour toward the protagonist (I particularly liked the sweetness of Yuemuma and the brashness of Lappa) and, talking about re-using or re-visiting older scenes, you could definitely be inspired by the "air-mattress" play of Pampanne or the ass play of Eroculupyga for example, there's quite a lot of interesting material in that story.
2021-05-20 00:17:43 +0000 UTCI think taking older stories from time to time and rewriting them so that they fit into the house is fine. But you shouldnt do that for the bigger characters like Nurse Honey and so on. I mean you already mentioned that yourself but still. Small characters are fine, bigger or more important characters should get new scenes. PS: Nurse Honey when? Ive basically already replaced all my own energy with hers. Her visit is overdue :D
Wakozi
2021-05-19 21:51:43 +0000 UTCI love to revisit older stories, in fact the vampiric boobies story is one of my favorites of yours and personally id actually be a little upset if you changed it drastically :) another one I revisit all the time is the red lips succubus story. She might be a great addition to the "sucker" category of the harlots. I also just wanted to say incredible job on the leech tongue girl Hiru. It's extremely difficult to get through her scenario when I keep letting her go too far on purpose ;)
Smith lfarrel
2021-05-19 21:21:05 +0000 UTCHow can you plagerize yourself?
lee@duva
2021-05-19 21:18:36 +0000 UTCI think your hesitation is understandable and well reasoned but mostly unnecessary for a few reasons - 1) People often LIKE to re-visit stories, movies, songs, whatever - novelty is obviously a big thing but good material is worth repeating 2) People probably don't remember your stories as well as you do - it's been years since I read Vampiric Boobies and although I remember the key points, a lot of the detail escapes me and indeed since you first mooted it I've looked forward to meeting Acarina in the house 3) I think there's a tremendous, ahem, bang for buck, in taking familiar scenes and adding slight tweaks. There's the path not taken aspect you've already got for this case but there's a more general "What will be new/different?" anticipation. In certain cases you might be able to add some dialogue or characterisation that cast additional/different light on the base story in an interesting way too I'd suggest not agonising over the principles of it and take a more empirical approach - write up a few scenes in this style and then do a poll and see what people think
AJ Watson
2021-05-19 20:44:39 +0000 UTCI think it’ll be hot to experience the story from a new perspective. First hand as it were.
Jaaron Drew
2021-05-19 20:21:06 +0000 UTCI personally like revisiting old material in my own writing, taking an old idea and upgrading or expanding it to make something new and awesome.
Joshua
2021-05-19 20:17:17 +0000 UTC